Planning next year's marathon - first post updated Aug 30th (date, games, and location)

mikwuyma

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mikwuyma: 2010-06-29 11:51:48 am

2010-06-29 11:45:18 am

My feelings on The Demon Rush

I have some more good news to counter the lack of Swede (well, I guess moooh counts as a Swede too ;)). I talked with Andrewg yesterday, and he says it's likely he can come again to the marathon. He said he's up for doing all of the games he did last year, aside from Punch-Out!!, because he says sinister1 is better than him at that game.

I'm pretty sure I have a hard type ff4 cart. I'll have to check when I get back from work. I also have a ff2 cart, but I need to see if the saves still work on it (I think they do despite being wiped once).

kareshi: That's cool, we'll be trying to minimize downtime this year, but I know some events, like 3-way SOTN race will take some setting up. Piano will definitely help relieve the pain of waiting, and Emptyeye and MercuryZelda can groove to it. Cheesy

I also think pianovania would be a great idea. Grin

I think Josh is willing to take up Castlevania this year if Andrewg isn't.

Essentia: I definitely don't want you to take up FF7, because I think you're taking up more than enough with Chrono Trigger, DKC2, FFX and Dr. Mario already (and it seems like possibly KH2?). I'm not sure who would run FFVII though. It's hard to say who is running what since we're still 6 months away from the event.

I have some more good news to counter the lack of Swede (well, I guess moooh counts as a Swede too ;)). I talked with Andrewg yesterday, and he says it's likely he can come again to the marathon. He said he's up for doing all of the games he did last year, aside from Punch-Out!!, because he says sinister1 is better than him at that game.

I'm pretty sure I have a hard type ff4 cart. I'll have to check when I get back from work. I also have a ff2 cart, but I need to see if the saves still work on it (I think they do despite being wiped once).

kareshi: That's cool, we'll be trying to minimize downtime this year, but I know some events, like 3-way SOTN race will take some setting up. Piano will definitely help relieve the pain of waiting, and Emptyeye and MercuryZelda can groove to it. :D I also think pianovania would be a great idea. ;D I think Josh is willing to take up Castlevania this year if Andrewg isn't.

Essentia: I definitely don't want you to take up FF7, because I think you're taking up more than enough with Chrono Trigger, DKC2, FFX and Dr. Mario already (and it seems like possibly KH2?). I'm not sure who would run FFVII though. It's hard to say who is running what since we're still 6 months away from the event.

Sir VG

2010-06-29 11:58:02 am

Fucking Weeaboo

Quote:

I'm pretty sure I have a hard type ff4 cart. I'll have to check when I get back from work. I also have a ff2 cart, but I need to see if the saves still work on it (I think they do despite being wiped once).

I have FF II, IV Normal and Easy type carts. At last check, the all work just fine. If the SNES version is to be run, it's also in VC too. I believe the Normal type is what's on Japan VC.

Heidrage

2010-06-29 12:07:04 pm

Willing to teach you the impossible

Sad to hear Frezy wont be there...

Well I will bring SDD just in case, I am sure there is a possibility of improvising that will be needed some time.

I know I am not the best replacement for Frezy Contra and Super C, but I will be sure to do my best to put on a good show. I just hope ppl dont donate for me to play shirtless... I am not near as sexy as Frezy... But if it happens, I will do it.

mikwuyma

2010-06-29 12:42:32 pm

My feelings on The Demon Rush

Quit being so modest, Heidman, after seeing your Super C run, I'm convinced you are the best replacement for Frezy_Man.

Just maybe not the best replacement for his shirt. Wink

RaneofSOTN

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RaneofSOTN: 2010-06-29 03:58:50 pm

2010-06-29 12:51:04 pm

I want off the ride....

Quote from Essentia:

That's strange - I followed the SS Nicovideo speedrun, and to me it seems like hard type is easier to run because of the extra abilities and items (especially the elemental bombs and items that cast haste/slow). Have you watched that run, Rane? The main problem I ran into was that I was playing the Chronicles version, and it seems that the battle speed is much faster on the PS than on the SNES. I had to slow the battle speed down quite a bit to be able to survive many of the later bosses. Then when I was trying to level up inside the Giant, even with the battle speed on slow I couldn't get a turn before the d. machines, so I'd usually get wiped out.

If someone actually had a hard type SNES cart, that would probably be the best thing to run the game on.

It might be the PSX version that caused me a lot of headaches... to sum them up...
Cagnazzo would Tsunami before I could issue any commands to Palom (cecil -> yang -> palom -> porom -> tellah). So i was lucky there is a ZeusRage before cagnazzo in the castle. Grabbed that popped it on Yangs turn, waited a bit with Palom to counter the 2nd put up of his water wall (armored with Porom), then casted Lit3, Then i had fun trying to finish the battle cause of other problems. I mean now its not so bad.. but first playthrough its not fun.
Definately worth bluffing with Palom to increase Twin's damage (1 bluff = 500damage on Milon / Milon z);
there are just a lot of things. I got the D Machine farm down, and if its the PSX that was causing me troubles (btw I played with both speeds at 1 the whole time); that would make it that much easier.
I mean i was playing the PSX version on the ps3, so its supa fast and I couldn't ever get more than 1 Life off on the D Machine (game was too quick with stuff to let me do it) but i got the farm method down. Its not so bad now...

There are a lot of things you can do with the extra abilities but they aren't always that helpful. Bluff is helpful, Power / Bear is helpful (yang), Remember can be helpful (unlikely though), but thats kinda it... Pray is just cure 1 for free 50/50 not soo good. Dark is a kick attack for 1/8th your HP (helpful if you wanna pick off imps after getting rydia going to the waterfall dungeon); but i mean a lot of the abilities aren't that helpful in my mind..

Edit:
So i practically did some testing.. Speed 1 zeromus lets me do 2 actions after crystal before Big Banging, speed 6 lets me do a full rotation. This means on the PSX (at least for me on the ps3) speed 5 or 6 is the same as the SNES versions speed 1 (compared to FF4 normal type via Nico nico video now that i'm watching it)...

Since i conquered this game soo... well, on the spot. (6:15ish~, with a lot of fooling around). I now see and get the Nico Nico's strat and think thats the way to go.. at least with hard type (being able to spider web, etc). So Hard Type is just me practicing it.. though There is definately a difference in the two.

Also a note, Kain's Jump DOESN'T TRIGGER ANY COUNTERS... (at least in normal type) meaning he is free to jump on Zeromus all he wants during that fight. Zeromus will not counter with HP heal (how do i know? He had to do the last 10k of damage since i got shot down bad... but came out of it).

[quote="Essentia"]
That's strange - I followed the SS Nicovideo speedrun, and to me it seems like hard type is easier to run because of the extra abilities and items (especially the elemental bombs and items that cast haste/slow).  Have you watched that run, Rane?  The main problem I ran into was that I was playing the Chronicles version, and it seems that the battle speed is much faster on the PS than on the SNES.  I had to slow the battle speed down quite a bit to be able to survive many of the later bosses.  Then when I was trying to level up inside the Giant, even with the battle speed on slow I couldn't get a turn before the d. machines, so I'd usually get wiped out.

If someone actually had a hard type SNES cart, that would probably be the best thing to run the game on.
[/quote]
It might be the PSX version that caused me a lot of headaches... to sum them up...
Cagnazzo would Tsunami before I could issue any commands to Palom (cecil -> yang -> palom -> porom -> tellah). So i was lucky there is a ZeusRage before cagnazzo in the castle. Grabbed that popped it on Yangs turn, waited a bit with Palom to counter the 2nd put up of his water wall (armored with Porom), then casted Lit3, Then i had fun trying to finish the battle cause of other problems. I mean now its not so bad.. but first playthrough its not fun.
Definately worth bluffing with Palom to increase Twin's damage (1 bluff = 500damage on Milon / Milon z); 
there are just a lot of things. I got the D Machine farm down, and if its the PSX that was causing me troubles (btw I played with both speeds at 1 the whole time); that would make it that much easier. 
I mean i was playing the PSX version on the ps3, so its supa fast and I couldn't ever get more than 1 Life off on the D Machine (game was too quick with stuff to let me do it) but i got the farm method down. Its not so bad now...

There are a lot of things you can do with the extra abilities but they aren't always that helpful. Bluff is helpful, Power / Bear is helpful (yang), Remember can be helpful (unlikely though), but thats kinda it... Pray is just cure 1 for free 50/50 not soo good. Dark is a kick attack for 1/8th your HP (helpful if you wanna pick off imps after getting rydia going to the waterfall dungeon); but i mean a lot of the abilities aren't that helpful in my mind..

Edit:
So i practically did some testing.. Speed 1 zeromus lets me do 2 actions after crystal before Big Banging, speed 6 lets me do a full rotation. This means on the PSX (at least for me on the ps3) speed 5 or 6 is the same as the SNES versions speed 1 (compared to FF4 normal type via Nico nico video now that i'm watching it)...

Since i conquered this game soo... well, on the spot. (6:15ish~, with a lot of fooling around). I now see and get the Nico Nico's strat and think thats the way to go.. at least with hard type (being able to spider web, etc). So Hard Type is just me practicing it.. though There is definately a difference in the two.

Also a note, Kain's Jump DOESN'T TRIGGER ANY COUNTERS... (at least in normal type) meaning he is free to jump on Zeromus all he wants during that fight. Zeromus will not counter with HP heal (how do i know? He had to do the last 10k of damage since i got shot down bad... but came out of it).

feasel

2010-06-30 12:15:07 pm

difficult and stupidly random

Joining this discussion late, because i didn't think i could make it to the next Marathon. But it turns out that i can, and i'm very much looking forward to it. I've got a new job that leaves me with less free time now, but I will probably have about enough time to practice 2 games for the marathon.

I definitely want to do Snake Rattle n Roll (NES/NTSC). I can do a no-warps run (possibly deathless, if the water-spout level doesn't do me in) in about 15 min or less. Or if time is tight, i can do a warp run in about 7 min or less. It would be neat to do the no-warps, though, because if i can manage to do it deathless there's a bounty for it (provided the bounty is still open).

For the 2nd game, i can think of several possibilities:

1) The Immortal. I've got a pretty slick route mapped-out for this game, but it's been on the back burner for the past year. I may not be able to pull off all the fight-skips live (some of the enemy manipulations are really tricky), but I can probably do it in about 16 minutes, give or take.

2) 2-player River City Ransom, if i can find somebody else who's up to the challenge. We could probably develop the 2-player route remotely and then get together right before the marathon to practice. Or maybe if the other person isn't too far away we could work out other practice arrangements. I live in NC, which is driving distance to much of the middle and lower east-cost.

3) I'd like to try to beat an SDA record live (somebody else's this time). I'm pretty sure i could do it with Adventures of Lolo 2 (current record 29:14). I think i could do it with Castlequest (20:26) as well (I know the music is obnoxious, but maybe we could solicit donations to play the game muted). I'm open to other suggestions for records to target (NES or SNES).

Like i said, i'm sure i want to do SRnR, but for the second game i'll do whatever folks think would be the most entertaining.

Joining this discussion late, because i didn't think i could make it to the next Marathon.  But it turns out that [i]i can[/i], and i'm very much looking forward to it.  I've got a new job that leaves me with less free time now, but I will probably have about enough time to practice 2 games for the marathon.

I definitely want to do Snake Rattle n Roll (NES/NTSC).  I can do a no-warps run (possibly deathless, if the water-spout level doesn't do me in) in about 15 min or less.  Or if time is tight, i can do a warp run in about 7 min or less.  It would be neat to do the no-warps, though, because if i can manage to do it deathless there's a bounty for it (provided the bounty is still open).

For the 2nd game, i can think of several possibilities:

1)  The Immortal.  I've got a pretty slick route mapped-out for this game, but it's been on the back burner for the past year.  I may not be able to pull off all the fight-skips live (some of the enemy manipulations are really tricky), but I can probably do it in about 16 minutes, give or take.

2)  2-player River City Ransom, if i can find somebody else who's up to the challenge.  We could probably develop the 2-player route remotely and then get together right before the marathon to practice.  Or maybe if the other person isn't too far away we could work out other practice arrangements.  I live in NC, which is driving distance to much of the middle and lower east-cost.

3)  I'd like to try to beat an SDA record live (somebody else's this time).  I'm pretty sure i could do it with Adventures of Lolo 2 (current record 29:14).  I think i could do it with Castlequest (20:26) as well (I know the music is obnoxious, but maybe we could solicit donations to play the game muted).  I'm open to other suggestions for records to target (NES or SNES).

Like i said, i'm sure i want to do SRnR, but for the second game i'll do whatever folks think would be the most entertaining.

MASTER-88

2010-06-30 12:26:35 pm

Master-88

Quote from feasel:

Joining this discussion late, because i didn't think i could make it to the next Marathon. But it turns out that i can, and i'm very much looking forward to it. I've got a new job that leaves me with less free time now, but I will probably have about enough time to practice 2 games for the marathon.

I definitely want to do Snake Rattle n Roll (NES/NTSC). I can do a no-warps run (possibly deathless, if the water-spout level doesn't do me in) in about 15 min or less. Or if time is tight, i can do a warp run in about 7 min or less. It would be neat to do the no-warps, though, because if i can manage to do it deathless there's a bounty for it (provided the bounty is still open).

For the 2nd game, i can think of several possibilities:

1) The Immortal. I've got a pretty slick route mapped-out for this game, but it's been on the back burner for the past year. I may not be able to pull off all the fight-skips live (some of the enemy manipulations are really tricky), but I can probably do it in about 16 minutes, give or take.

2) 2-player River City Ransom, if i can find somebody else who's up to the challenge. We could probably develop the 2-player route remotely and then get together right before the marathon to practice. Or maybe if the other person isn't too far away we could work out other practice arrangements. I live in NC, which is driving distance to much of the middle and lower east-cost.

3) I'd like to try to beat an SDA record live (somebody else's this time). I'm pretty sure i could do it with Adventures of Lolo 2 (current record 29:14). I think i could do it with Castlequest (20:26) as well (I know the music is obnoxious, but maybe we could solicit donations to play the game muted). I'm open to other suggestions for records to target (NES or SNES).

Like i said, i'm sure i want to do SRnR, but for the second game i'll do whatever folks think would be the most entertaining.

Feasel why not Deadly Tower? Mike loved this game Grin

[quote="feasel"]
Joining this discussion late, because i didn't think i could make it to the next Marathon.  But it turns out that [i]i can[/i], and i'm very much looking forward to it.  I've got a new job that leaves me with less free time now, but I will probably have about enough time to practice 2 games for the marathon.

I definitely want to do Snake Rattle n Roll (NES/NTSC).  I can do a no-warps run (possibly deathless, if the water-spout level doesn't do me in) in about 15 min or less.  Or if time is tight, i can do a warp run in about 7 min or less.  It would be neat to do the no-warps, though, because if i can manage to do it deathless there's a bounty for it (provided the bounty is still open).

For the 2nd game, i can think of several possibilities:

1)  The Immortal.  I've got a pretty slick route mapped-out for this game, but it's been on the back burner for the past year.  I may not be able to pull off all the fight-skips live (some of the enemy manipulations are really tricky), but I can probably do it in about 16 minutes, give or take.

2)  2-player River City Ransom, if i can find somebody else who's up to the challenge.  We could probably develop the 2-player route remotely and then get together right before the marathon to practice.  Or maybe if the other person isn't too far away we could work out other practice arrangements.  I live in NC, which is driving distance to much of the middle and lower east-cost.

3)  I'd like to try to beat an SDA record live (somebody else's this time).  I'm pretty sure i could do it with Adventures of Lolo 2 (current record 29:14).  I think i could do it with Castlequest (20:26) as well (I know the music is obnoxious, but maybe we could solicit donations to play the game muted).  I'm open to other suggestions for records to target (NES or SNES).

Like i said, i'm sure i want to do SRnR, but for the second game i'll do whatever folks think would be the most entertaining.

[/quote]

Feasel why not Deadly Tower? Mike loved this game ;D

mikwuyma

2010-06-30 12:32:47 pm

My feelings on The Demon Rush

Hey Feasel, I was wondering where you were.

Anyway, I updated the google spreadsheet. I mostly filled in more times, either basing them on people's estimates or using the SDA run, then adding a bunch of time.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AvcQB6Uj-946dE9YS1JpME1fMFlJSmhRWVJRakg5anc&hl=en#gid=0

You might notice the new entries on the bottom have Cody Miller and Andrewg as the players. They
both said it was likely they would be able to come to the marathon.

Also, I've been looking into vacation homes at the moment. I haven't found anything definite, but it looks like renting one for a week can range anywhere from 1000-3000 dollars, depending on the size of the place. Mind you this cost will be split up between what looks like 30+ people, so the cost isn't quite as bad as you think.

Feasel: Time will be tight, but I'm not sure plus or minus 8 minutes is going to make a big difference in the long run for Snake Rattle 'n Roll. I don't think the game is that popular, but it's short and beating it will be impressive because it's SO HARD.

Out of the other runs, I would say 2-player River City Ransom is by far the best choice. The other two games are too obscure. Is picking up RCR tough? I could try it out sometime.

BTW, I know you wanted to improve your RCR run even further, but can we just submit the run you did during the marathon in the meantime?

RaneofSOTN: Does this mean you're up for running FFIV?

Hey Feasel, I was wondering where you were.

Anyway, I updated the google spreadsheet. I mostly filled in more times, either basing them on people's estimates or using the SDA run, then adding a bunch of time.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AvcQB6Uj-946dE9YS1JpME1fMFlJSmhRWVJRakg5anc&hl=en#gid=0

You might notice the new entries on the bottom have Cody Miller and Andrewg as the players. They 
both said it was likely they would be able to come to the marathon.

Also, I've been looking into vacation homes at the moment. I haven't found anything definite, but it looks like renting one for a week can range anywhere from 1000-3000 dollars, depending on the size of the place. Mind you this cost will be split up between what looks like 30+ people, so the cost isn't quite as bad as you think.

Feasel: Time will be tight, but I'm not sure plus or minus 8 minutes is going to make a big difference in the long run for Snake Rattle 'n Roll. I don't think the game is that popular, but it's short and beating it will be impressive because it's SO HARD.

Out of the other runs, I would say 2-player River City Ransom is by far the best choice. The other two games are too obscure. Is picking up RCR tough? I could try it out sometime.

BTW, I know you wanted to improve your RCR run even further, but can we just submit the run you did during the marathon in the meantime?

RaneofSOTN: Does this mean you're up for running FFIV?

RaneofSOTN

2010-06-30 01:03:57 pm

I want off the ride....

Yeah might as well; i've put a good solid 3-4 days (practice time) in so far; looking into things. Found out that my psx practice makes the game harder.. and all that. And i still made safe strats. I got even better ones from watching the ff4 run (i didn't want to spoil myself, i wanted to see how i could do this ~dry~ and i did OK; well not dry per say as deign coached me a bit *cough*goddamnd.machines*cough*};

As for RCR... Its not that hard to pick up yama. I mean in about 20 minutes you can do a normal combo -> throw -> combo scheme. Its just more about beating luck in AI... I gots it on my wii and I play it often. Though i'm in FL (orlando/gainesville), so thats a bit far for any practice on that.

sinister1

2010-06-30 01:15:39 pm

sinister1

so pro u don't even know

Well an alternative to 2 player RCR would be 2 player Doube Dragon II. I only suggest this because the TG record holder for that game happens to be Feasel if I am not mistaken. Since he already is good at the game (and so am I) no one would need to practice or learn, etc.

We can just straight up run that shit!

moooh

2010-06-30 01:23:52 pm

Exoray

Considering I'm quite the skinny guy compared to Frezy, you can consider me half-swede Wink

I was pretty sure someone else had mentioned being able to run FFVII, but quickly browsing through the pages of this topic I can't seem to find that post.

Would the vacation homes be big enough for lodging as well? If so then $100 per person would probably far outweigh the cost for a stay at a hotel for the whole duration of the marathon.

feasel

2010-06-30 01:32:39 pm

difficult and stupidly random

Requests for Deadly Towers will not be honored.

Quote from mikwuyma:

Is picking up RCR tough? I could try it out sometime.

Most of the game is running past enemies with fairly predictable patterns. The real challenge is the boss fights, which basically boil down to trying to hit a really short timing window (landing your next attack at the moment the boss gets up from the floor). The main skill is predicting how long the boss will spend on the ground before getting up. Each boss's recovery time lengthens during the fight, and each successive boss begins with a slightly shorter recovery than the last, so it's just a matter of getting an intuitive sense for how the recovery-time function works.

But i'm thinking that with 2 players there may be some less demanding ways of killing the bosses. And the fact that if someone dies the other guy can just walk off the screen to revive him, makes the game a lot more forgiving.

Quote from mikwuyma:

BTW, I know you wanted to improve your RCR run even further, but can we just submit the run you did during the marathon in the meantime?

I managed to get my RCR time down to 8:01. I've been unable to beat this time for a while now, so i think that's probably a sign that it's ready for submission. I will put together some comments and submit.

Requests for Deadly Towers will not be honored.

[quote="mikwuyma"]
Is picking up RCR tough? I could try it out sometime.
[/quote]
Most of the game is running past enemies with fairly predictable patterns.  The real challenge is the boss fights, which basically boil down to trying to hit a really short timing window (landing your next attack at the moment the boss gets up from the floor).  The main skill is predicting how long the boss will spend on the ground before getting up.  Each boss's recovery time lengthens during the fight, and each successive boss begins with a slightly shorter recovery than the last, so it's just a matter of getting an intuitive sense for how the recovery-time function works.

But i'm thinking that with 2 players there may be some less demanding ways of killing the bosses.  And the fact that if someone dies the other guy can just walk off the screen to revive him, makes the game a lot more forgiving.

[quote="mikwuyma"]
BTW, I know you wanted to improve your RCR run even further, but can we just submit the run you did during the marathon in the meantime?
[/quote]

I managed to get my RCR time down to 8:01.  I've been unable to beat this time for a while now, so i think that's probably a sign that it's ready for submission.  I will put together some comments and submit.

mikwuyma

2010-06-30 01:36:36 pm

My feelings on The Demon Rush

sinister1: Do you have a decent time estimate for Punch-Out? I'm guessing around 25 minutes? Or is that way too short?

moooh: I think Carcinogen might have mentioned it, I'm not sure.

Moooh, some of the homes I was looking at had 10ish beds, and said they have enough room for 14-15 people, which isn't including the floor space for sleeping bags and whatnot.

Feasel: Awesome.

Essentia

2010-06-30 01:42:07 pm

Everything's better with Magitek

I wonder if it would be possible to get either GarlandG or lolo26 to do FFVII? They both have a lot of experience running it, and I think lolo26 has actually done a SS run of it. Maybe I'll try contacting them. If neither of them can run it, they might at least be able to give some help to whoever ends up running it.

For Chrono Trigger right now, I'm hoping to get under 7 hours (as long as 100% run is okay). Also, I noticed DKC2 isn't on the spreadsheet; I'm willing to run it, if you want (would be about 1 hour).

sinister1

2010-06-30 01:57:05 pm

sinister1

so pro u don't even know

Quote from mikwuyma:

sinister1: Do you have a decent time estimate for Punch-Out? I'm guessing around 25 minutes? Or is that way too short?

I think 25 mins is reasonable. I will practice some single segment runs closer to the marathon and let you know if 25 mins is no good, but for now it seems fine.

feasel

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feasel: 2010-06-30 02:20:30 pm

2010-06-30 02:09:26 pm

difficult and stupidly random

Quote from sinister1:

Well an alternative to 2 player RCR would be 2 player Doube Dragon II. I only suggest this because the TG record holder for that game happens to be Feasel if I am not mistaken. Since he already is good at the game (and so am I) no one would need to practice or learn, etc.

We can just straight up run that shit!

sinister1:
The problem with DD2 is that i'm absolutely awful with the knee kick. In my TG run, i only used the knee kick in, i think, 2 places (plus the last boss) because my accuracy with it was so low, despite a lot of practice. The upshot is that without the knee-kick there are a variety of ways to kill each enemy, so it's pretty entertaining to watch. When i planned my run i computed the time-cost for each of the various ways to kill each enemy so that i knew i was doing it the fastest i could. But even with that amount of optimization, the best i could manage was 14:28, which is a time that any moderately good knee-kicker could completely destroy. So i really hadn't been considering working on DD2 again. But maybe i will play around a bit with the game and give it some thought.

[quote="sinister1"]
Well an alternative to 2 player RCR would be 2 player Doube Dragon II. I only suggest this because the TG record holder for that game happens to be Feasel if I am not mistaken. Since he already is good at the game (and so am I) no one would need to practice or learn, etc.

We can just straight up run that shit!
[/quote]

sinister1:
The problem with DD2 is that i'm absolutely awful with the knee kick.  In my TG run, i only used the knee kick in, i think, 2 places (plus the last boss) because my accuracy with it was so low, despite a lot of practice.  The upshot is that without the knee-kick there are a variety of ways to kill each enemy, so it's pretty entertaining to watch.  When i planned my run i computed the time-cost for each of the various ways to kill each enemy so that i knew i was doing it the fastest i could.  But even with that amount of optimization, the best i could manage was 14:28, which is a time that any moderately good knee-kicker could completely destroy.  So i really hadn't been considering working on DD2 again.  But maybe i will play around a bit with the game and give it some thought.

flicky

2010-06-30 02:26:32 pm

$15 per rant/allegory

Quote from Essentia:

I wonder if it would be possible to get either GarlandG or lolo26 to do FFVII? They both have a lot of experience running it, and I think lolo26 has actually done a SS run of it. Maybe I'll try contacting them. If neither of them can run it, they might at least be able to give some help to whoever ends up running it.

For Chrono Trigger right now, I'm hoping to get under 7 hours (as long as 100% run is okay). Also, I noticed DKC2 isn't on the spreadsheet; I'm willing to run it, if you want (would be about 1 hour).

I know Garland has done SS runs, but he lives in Norway which is notoriously expensive so whether he can come is something else to consider. Worth contacting him though. I considered doing it before as I think he'd have to connect in London so I could be awesome friends with him on a plane.

My mind wanders into extreme optimism modes a lot...

mikwuyma

2010-06-30 02:26:58 pm

My feelings on The Demon Rush

Actually Feasel, are you up to doing Bionic Commando again? or not really?

Essentia: If one of them is up to it, then sure. I know GarlandG posts here occasionally, but how can I contact lolo26?

Chrono Trigger 100%? It does make the game longer (I'm guessing by about 2-2 and a half hours), but at the same time adds potential for more interesting challenges, and you get to recruit Magus. The only problem is that 2 hours or so might crowd out room for other games, but we'll see.

DKC2 would be great. The only reason why I didn't add it is because I wasn't sure if you wanted to, with all of the stuff you're doing already.

feasel

2010-06-30 02:41:38 pm

difficult and stupidly random

mike:
I'm ambivalent about BC. I guess I'd rather do something different this time.

Essentia

2010-06-30 02:42:48 pm

Everything's better with Magitek

I think lolo26 has an account here also, but I don't know how often he visits. I found both his and GarlandG's Youtube channels, though, so maybe you could send them a message on there.
lolo26: http://www.youtube.com/user/lolo262626
GarlandG: http://www.youtube.com/user/GarlandTheGreat

The main reason I said 100% for CT was because the Ultima Garden SS report I found was 100%. It would also make the final battle easier, since you'd get all the best weapons/armor from the sidequests. If you don't want 100% though, I can try to figure out an any% route.

DKC2 is easy for me and won't take much practice, so I don't mind doing it. Same with Dr. Mario, if it ends up on the final list.

sinister1

2010-06-30 03:16:09 pm

sinister1

so pro u don't even know

Quote from feasel:

Quote from sinister1:

Well an alternative to 2 player RCR would be 2 player Doube Dragon II. I only suggest this because the TG record holder for that game happens to be Feasel if I am not mistaken. Since he already is good at the game (and so am I) no one would need to practice or learn, etc.

We can just straight up run that shit!

sinister1:
The problem with DD2 is that i'm absolutely awful with the knee kick. In my TG run, i only used the knee kick in, i think, 2 places (plus the last boss) because my accuracy with it was so low, despite a lot of practice. The upshot is that without the knee-kick there are a variety of ways to kill each enemy, so it's pretty entertaining to watch. When i planned my run i computed the time-cost for each of the various ways to kill each enemy so that i knew i was doing it the fastest i could. But even with that amount of optimization, the best i could manage was 14:28, which is a time that any moderately good knee-kicker could completely destroy. So i really hadn't been considering working on DD2 again. But maybe i will play around a bit with the game and give it some thought.

Wow that is nuts. 14:28 with only two knees?!?!? You must have played very well using the other moves then. The only time I did not use the knee was when I was trying to beat the TG points record for fun. I think I got like ~165,000 (not so thinly veiled brag :P)

OK back on topic, I guess its RCR then!

[quote="feasel"]
[quote="sinister1"]
Well an alternative to 2 player RCR would be 2 player Doube Dragon II. I only suggest this because the TG record holder for that game happens to be Feasel if I am not mistaken. Since he already is good at the game (and so am I) no one would need to practice or learn, etc.

We can just straight up run that shit!
[/quote]

sinister1:
The problem with DD2 is that i'm absolutely awful with the knee kick.  In my TG run, i only used the knee kick in, i think, 2 places (plus the last boss) because my accuracy with it was so low, despite a lot of practice.  The upshot is that without the knee-kick there are a variety of ways to kill each enemy, so it's pretty entertaining to watch.  When i planned my run i computed the time-cost for each of the various ways to kill each enemy so that i knew i was doing it the fastest i could.  But even with that amount of optimization, the best i could manage was 14:28, which is a time that any moderately good knee-kicker could completely destroy.  So i really hadn't been considering working on DD2 again.  But maybe i will play around a bit with the game and give it some thought.

[/quote]
Wow that is nuts. 14:28 with only two knees?!?!? You must have played very well using the other moves then. The only time I did not use the knee was when I was trying to beat the TG points record for fun. I think I got like ~165,000 (not so thinly veiled brag  :P)

OK back on topic, I guess its RCR then!

SMK

2010-06-30 07:35:08 pm

So since I like stealing work from EmptyEye, I started making a program that one could use to manage the donations from the marathon as they come in. It's (unfortunately) written in Java, since that's the best language I can think of for this type of thing (C# maybe, but I have next to no experience with C#). It's pretty bare at the moment, but if you have Java installed and don't mind giving me some feedback, that would be quite nice.

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~umkiazyk/files/DonationManager.zip

To run in windows, just execute the 'Run.bat' file (it's already compiled).
If you're in Linux, I'm assuming you know how to run java, if you're on Mac, you're on your own.

Axel Ryman

2010-06-30 07:45:32 pm

We all scream for Eyes Cream

I noticed Chrono Cross NG+ is up there on the spreadsheet. If I go, I say Molotov and I race at it. Cheesy

Maybe.

Emptyeye

2010-06-30 08:13:55 pm

Talk to the Hand

Quote from SMK:

So since I like stealing work from EmptyEye, I started making a program that one could use to manage the donations from the marathon as they come in. It's (unfortunately) written in Java, since that's the best language I can think of for this type of thing (C# maybe, but I have next to no experience with C#). It's pretty bare at the moment, but if you have Java installed and don't mind giving me some feedback, that would be quite nice.

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~umkiazyk/files/DonationManager.zip

To run in windows, just execute the 'Run.bat' file (it's already compiled).
If you're in Linux, I'm assuming you know how to run java, if you're on Mac, you're on your own.

Having a quick playaround with this in Windows ("playaround"? Damn, I spend too much time reading The Register at work...).

You do have to unzip the folder somewhere in Windows before executing run.bat, otherwise it can't find the various classes.

One thing I noted right away is that it's case sensitive in a bad way--"Emptyeye", "EmptyEye", and "EMPTYEYE" would be three separate people.

Also, would it be possible to sort by individual/total donations at all?

And Java, huh? Interesting...I would've just used Access (Or more accurately, OpenOffice.org Base) or somesuch. You're going all fancy on me. Tongue

Really, though, I should spend less time criticizing your work and more time working on cracking down on Metro City's crime rate via suplexes and piledrivers. Smiley

[quote="SMK"]
So since I like stealing work from EmptyEye, I started making a program that one could use to manage the donations from the marathon as they come in.  It's (unfortunately) written in Java, since that's the best language I can think of for this type of thing (C# maybe, but I have next to no experience with C#).  It's pretty bare at the moment, but if you have Java installed and don't mind giving me some feedback, that would be quite nice.

[url=http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~umkiazyk/files/DonationManager.zip]http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~umkiazyk/files/DonationManager.zip[/url]

To run in windows, just execute the 'Run.bat' file (it's already compiled).
If you're in Linux, I'm assuming you know how to run java, if you're on Mac,  you're on your own.
[/quote]

Having a quick playaround with this in Windows ("playaround"? Damn, I spend too much time reading [url=http://www.theregister.co.uk]The Register[/url] at work...).

You do have to unzip the folder somewhere in Windows before executing run.bat, otherwise it can't find the various classes.

One thing I noted right away is that it's case sensitive in a bad way--"Emptyeye", "EmptyEye", and "EMPTYEYE" would be three separate people.

Also, would it be possible to sort by individual/total donations at all?

And Java, huh? Interesting...I would've just used Access (Or more accurately, OpenOffice.org Base) or somesuch. You're going all fancy on me. :P

Really, though, I should spend less time criticizing your work and more time working on cracking down on Metro City's crime rate via suplexes and piledrivers. :)

SMK

Edit history:

SMK: 2010-07-01 08:01:10 am

2010-06-30 09:08:26 pm

Quote from Emptyeye:

Having a quick playaround with this in Windows ("playaround"? Damn, I spend too much time reading The Register at work...).

You do have to unzip the folder somewhere in Windows before executing run.bat, otherwise it can't find the various classes.

One thing I noted right away is that it's case sensitive in a bad way--"Emptyeye", "EmptyEye", and "EMPTYEYE" would be three separate people.

Also, would it be possible to sort by individual/total donations at all?

And Java, huh? Interesting...I would've just used Access (Or more accurately, OpenOffice.org Base) or somesuch. You're going all fancy on me. Tongue

Really, though, I should spend less time criticizing your work and more time working on cracking down on Metro City's crime rate via suplexes and piledrivers. Smiley

@java: Well I'm a fancy kind of guy. Or rather, I'm doing this because I'm bored, and when I'm bored I program. Mind you org.base would be sufficient if this starts going down the pipes.

@case-sensitivity: true, I should probably be doing SQL UPPER on everything, oversight on my part. I did make the searching case insensitive. Edit: varchar_ignorecase ftw.

@sorting: what do you mean? Do you mean grabbing a list of all donators, ordered by their total donation amount? Whatever is neccessary should be implementable at this point.

[quote="Emptyeye"]

Having a quick playaround with this in Windows ("playaround"? Damn, I spend too much time reading [url=http://www.theregister.co.uk]The Register[/url] at work...).

You do have to unzip the folder somewhere in Windows before executing run.bat, otherwise it can't find the various classes.

One thing I noted right away is that it's case sensitive in a bad way--"Emptyeye", "EmptyEye", and "EMPTYEYE" would be three separate people.

Also, would it be possible to sort by individual/total donations at all?

And Java, huh? Interesting...I would've just used Access (Or more accurately, OpenOffice.org Base) or somesuch. You're going all fancy on me. :P

Really, though, I should spend less time criticizing your work and more time working on cracking down on Metro City's crime rate via suplexes and piledrivers. :) 
[/quote]

@java: Well I'm a fancy kind of guy. Or rather, I'm doing this because I'm bored, and when I'm bored I program.  Mind you org.base would be sufficient if this starts going down the pipes.

@case-sensitivity: true, I should probably be doing SQL UPPER on everything, oversight on my part.  I did make the searching case insensitive. Edit: varchar_ignorecase ftw.

@sorting: what do you mean?  Do you mean grabbing a list of all donators, ordered by their total donation amount?  Whatever is neccessary should be implementable at this point.