Dark Cloud 2 (PS2)

2012-01-08 12:56:06 am

I dont have any recording equipment yet, so for now I am limited to planning and test runs. I'll probably start looking into cheap recording options either later this month or next month.

deathfire123

2012-01-26 06:55:50 pm

Gimme some sugar Shaggy!

Want my List of Photos that you should take for Chapter 1 (During the photo spree)?

HavokMoobii

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HavokMoobii: 2012-01-27 03:03:10 pm

2012-01-27 02:18:56 pm

Inventions help more that photos, I know where everything is.

Looking at your optional stuff on the previous page I would definitely skip Barrel Pack, Knight Boots, and all the body upgrades. Since I am planning on segmenting 3ish floors at a time instead of full chapters I can reasonably keep Steve from taking any damage and just refuel whenever the game has me walk past Cedric. Once I get a decent leg, probably propeller, I can do full levels with Steve, only dismounting for Geostones. At that point I'll almost certainly want a beefier energy pack. I dont need the boots, the only things that I will ever collect ABS for are core upgrades and the chapter 7 Supernova.

For weapon planning I know I want to invent a Barrel Cannon in Chapter 2, a Samurai Arm in chapter 3, and that getting the Bandit Coin for the Barrel Cannon IV is going to SUCK(especially considering I need 2 of them)... not much planning has been done past there.

Also with what I have done so far, outside of SS I don't really see money ever being a problem.

Sorry I dont really have anything to share for progress. Its been a hectic month.

Inventions help more that photos, I know where everything is.

Looking at your optional stuff on the previous page I would definitely skip Barrel Pack, Knight Boots, and all the body upgrades. Since I am planning on segmenting 3ish floors at a time instead of full chapters I can reasonably keep Steve from taking any damage and just refuel whenever the game has me walk past Cedric. Once I get a decent leg, probably propeller, I can do full levels with Steve, only dismounting for Geostones. At that point I'll almost certainly want a beefier energy pack. I dont need the boots, the only things that I will ever collect ABS for are core upgrades and the chapter 7 Supernova.

For weapon planning I know I want to invent a Barrel Cannon in Chapter 2, a Samurai Arm in chapter 3, and that getting the Bandit Coin for the Barrel Cannon IV is going to SUCK(especially considering I need 2 of them)... not much planning has been done past there.

Also with what I have done so far, outside of SS I don't really see money ever being a problem.

Sorry I dont really have anything to share for progress. Its been a hectic month.

Havokmoobii

2012-03-21 02:28:53 am

Ok so I have started working on this again and have planned and tested up to defeating Gaspard at the end of Chapter 3. I also have all the Georama areas planned out.

Some notes so far..

You need 3500 Gilda worth of loot just to get everything from Jurak Mall - 1500 if the game is kind enough to give you one of Donny's coins - 3000 if you have stupid good luck. Money seems to get a lot easier after that though.
Not getting a Roasted Chestnut before Rainbow Falls is a reset. This seems to be about 50/50 for me so far.
Many of the Geostones are skippable. I knew this from the start, but still... Hell Yay
Tores suck.
Masked Tribesmen+Ram combo sucks if you had to sell the Cannonball arm to get the coins.
Phantom Memo Eater is the toughest boss in the game(lie)
Gaspard can be killed with 8 Improved Bombs, but I would take atleast 10 in to be safe.
The only residents you need to beat the game are: Gordon, Adel, Ferdinand, Parn, Bruno, Donny, Claire, Cedric, Borneo, and Gerald. Everybody but Gerald will be recruited before the end of chapter 3.
I am really leaning towards doing this Single Segment.

The general plan so far is..
Chapter 1: Kill with Max up to Linda, then start running up to baddies with Max and Ridepoding them down.
Chapter 2: Same as second part of Chapter one. Kill the Turtles in the Monica stage with whatever explosives I have on hand. Invent and Equip Barrel Cannon for Rainbow Butterfly.
Chapter 3: Run in range with Max, Barrel Cannon for the kill. At this point in the game I will probably start picking up ABS for Core upgrades so I can equip the Barrel Cannon III after the Finny Frenzy opens up and possible energy pack upgrades.

Eventually I'll probably invent a Propeller leg and try to use Steve most the time. The current plan for weapons is to use the Barrel Cannon III up until late Moonflower Palace and then build up an invented Steal Gun into a Supernova for the final bosses.

One thing that im not sure about yet is throwing rocks for fuel vs going to Cedric every few floors and repairing. I will be making several trips to Cedric whenever he is in my path, but outside of that I need to decide how to handle keeping the Ridepod going. If I take the time to toss some rocks as I quest I can get some free Repair Powder, which is very helpful, but if I get bad luck with rocks it could potentially waste a lot of time. Making a lot of unplanned trips to Cedric can be very time consuming too, especially after chapter 5.

I'll post more as I figure it out.

Ok so I have started working on this again and have planned and tested up to defeating Gaspard at the end of Chapter 3. I also have all the Georama areas planned out.

Some notes so far..

You need 3500 Gilda worth of loot just to get everything from Jurak Mall - 1500 if the game is kind enough to give you one of Donny's coins - 3000 if you have stupid good luck. Money seems to get a lot easier after that though.
Not getting a Roasted Chestnut before Rainbow Falls is a reset. This seems to be about 50/50 for me so far.
Many of the Geostones are skippable. I knew this from the start, but still... Hell Yay
Tores suck.
Masked Tribesmen+Ram combo sucks if you had to sell the Cannonball arm to get the coins.
Phantom Memo Eater is the toughest boss in the game(lie)
Gaspard can be killed with 8 Improved Bombs, but I would take atleast 10 in to be safe.
The only residents you need to beat the game are: Gordon, Adel, Ferdinand, Parn, Bruno, Donny, Claire, Cedric, Borneo, and Gerald. Everybody but Gerald will be recruited before the end of chapter 3.
I am really leaning towards doing this Single Segment.

The general plan so far is..
Chapter 1: Kill with Max up to Linda, then start running up to baddies with Max and Ridepoding them down.
Chapter 2: Same as second part of Chapter one. Kill the Turtles in the Monica stage with whatever explosives I have on hand. Invent and Equip Barrel Cannon for Rainbow Butterfly.
Chapter 3: Run in range with Max, Barrel Cannon for the kill. At this point in the game I will probably start picking up ABS for Core upgrades so I can equip the Barrel Cannon III after the Finny Frenzy opens up and possible energy pack upgrades.

Eventually I'll probably invent a Propeller leg and try to use Steve most the time. The current plan for weapons is to use the Barrel Cannon III up until late Moonflower Palace and then build up an invented Steal Gun into a Supernova for the final bosses.

One thing that im not sure about yet is throwing rocks for fuel vs going to Cedric every few floors and repairing. I will be making several trips to Cedric whenever he is in my path, but outside of that I need to decide how to handle keeping the Ridepod going. If I take the time to toss some rocks as I quest I can get some free Repair Powder, which is very helpful, but if I get bad luck with rocks it could potentially waste a lot of time. Making a lot of unplanned trips to Cedric can be very time consuming too, especially after chapter 5.

I'll post more as I figure it out.

HavokMoobii

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HavokMoobii: 2012-04-01 05:33:18 am

2012-03-31 09:22:52 pm

Alright so after replacing my disc and saving over my test file twice... I have planned and tested up to the Chapter 5 intro.

Few notes
-The White Seal level after Shingala, "Wandering Zappy" is very very dangerous. It has 10 Elementals and 6 Goyones. A run could very easily end here.
-Even skipping a ton of upgrades Max is very durable even in Chapter 4. I am only grabbing Potato Pies and Fruit of Eden that are in my path and using them all only on Max.
-Using Cedric well >>>> Ridepod Fuel luck. Atleast up to Jaming.
-I need to test this, but im pretty sure just one core upgrade will be sufficient to use Barrel Cannon III. Even if its not, Chap 4 is about the point where mobs start dropping TONS of Exp.
-I lied when i said most residents will be recruited by the Chapter 3 intro. ALL of them will be.

My biggest problem right now is the Finny Frenzy. Every time I have played through this game it has been available as soon as I entered the floor with the scene, but in this run I made it to Chap 5 and still no FF. I never messed around much with the fishing in this game outside of collecting medals, but from how I understand it the Fishing Contest starts on whatever day you trigger the scene and the FF will always be 7 days after that first day. The last test run was really really bad, so next time I'll see what day the Contest lands on and I'll speed up game time if necessary to get the FF to line up. I really don't want to go into Chapter 5 with just the basic Barrel Cannon..

Money is still pretty tight in Chapter 3. I need two Seal Breaking Scrolls to get through Elephant Army in the Valley. I'll probably just end up adding a bomb trip to be safe.

Edit: Likely going to recruit Pau and use him from chapter 5 on. Having him as your 3rd party member gives you a free map of every floor, Mimic detection, and most importantly.. Gate Key Monster detection! The monster that has the key will be a blinking dot on the map so I only need to kill one enemy per floor from Chapter 5 on. To recruit Pau I need a Carrot. These drop from Molers, Crescent Barons, and Sand Molers. I have to kill up to 8 Sand Molers anyway and killing a few of the other mobs as I see them wouldn't be too time consuming for the reward.

Alright so after replacing my disc and saving over my test file [b]twice[/b]... I have planned and tested up to the Chapter 5 intro.

[u]Few notes[/u]
-The White Seal level after Shingala, "Wandering Zappy" is very very dangerous. It has 10 Elementals and 6 Goyones. A run could very easily end here.
-Even skipping a ton of upgrades Max is very durable even in Chapter 4. I am only grabbing Potato Pies and Fruit of Eden that are in my path and using them all only on Max.
-Using Cedric well >>>> Ridepod Fuel luck. Atleast up to Jaming.
-I need to test this, but im pretty sure just one core upgrade will be sufficient to use Barrel Cannon III. Even if its not, Chap 4 is about the point where mobs start dropping TONS of Exp.
-I lied when i said most residents will be recruited by the Chapter 3 intro. ALL of them will be.

My biggest problem right now is the Finny Frenzy. Every time I have played through this game it has been available as soon as I entered the floor with the scene, but in this run I made it to Chap 5 and still no FF. I never messed around much with the fishing in this game outside of collecting medals, but from how I understand it the Fishing Contest starts on whatever day you trigger the scene and the FF will always be 7 days after that first day. The last test run was really really bad, so next time I'll see what day the Contest lands on and I'll speed up game time if necessary to get the FF to line up. I really don't want to go into Chapter 5 with just the basic Barrel Cannon..

Money is still pretty tight in Chapter 3. I need two Seal Breaking Scrolls to get through Elephant Army in the Valley. I'll probably just end up adding a bomb trip to be safe.

Edit: Likely going to recruit Pau and use him from chapter 5 on. Having him as your 3rd party member gives you a free map of every floor, Mimic detection, and most importantly.. Gate Key Monster detection! The monster that has the key will be a blinking dot on the map so I only need to kill one enemy per floor from Chapter 5 on. To recruit Pau I need a Carrot. These drop from Molers, Crescent Barons, and Sand Molers. I have to kill up to 8 Sand Molers anyway and killing a few of the other mobs as I see them wouldn't be too time consuming for the reward.

deathfire123

2012-04-02 01:00:11 am

Gimme some sugar Shaggy!

Well, I have a bunch of notes I can dig up here are some things I've got down:

Gate Key Monsters until Chapter 5:
1-1, 1-2: Sewer Rat
1-3: Baron Balloon
1-5:, 1-6: Vanguard

2-1: Himarra
2-2. 2-6: Tore
2-3: Tortoise (Have to use Monica)
2-5: Pumpkinhead
2-7: Pixie
2-8: Gyumo
2-9, 2-10: Hunter Fox

3-1: Masked Tribesman
3-2, 3-5x2(Once with Monica) 3-6, 3-11: Elfas
3-3: Dog Statue
3-4: Win Gemron
3-7, 3-9: Fire Gemron
3-10: Thunder Gemron
3-12, 3-14, 3-16: Dragon
3-13: Wind Element
3-15: Holy Gemron

4-1, 4-2, 4-5: Geron
4-3, 4-4: Beach Rat
4-6, 4-10, 4-12: Sand Moler
4-7, 4-9: Anutie Medusa
4-8: Shiva
4-11(Monica), 4-13: Neo Vanguard
4-14: Zappy

To Make Sindain you need:
2580 Gilda minimum
56 rolling logs
6 forest dews
3 light elements
3 earth elements
15 water elements
1 sturdy cloth
1 glass material
2 sugar canes

Makes:
Eye and Nose Trees
15 Rivers
2 Wooden Houses (Gordon and Adel)
2 Pots (Culture)
1 Wooden Fence (Culture)

To make Balance Valley:
3950 Gilda minimum
15 Forest Dews
15 earth elements
16 water elements
18 sturdy rocks
7 glass materials
5 scraps of metal
1 holy element
6 rolling logs
3 sturdy cloths
2 fire elements
1 Paint of Purple Color
16 Sticky Clay

Makes:
15 Trees
1 Church (Bruno)
1 Chinese Stand (Ferdinand)
1 Star Lamp
1 Purple Brick House (Parn)
3 Pots (Culture)

To make Veniccio:
5300 Gilda needed
50 rolling logs
20 glass materials
80 scraps of metal
4 bundles of hay
8 sturdy cloths
1 fire element
20 sticky clays
40 paint of varying color (10 of blue, red, green, purple each)

Makes:
8 Piers
4 Painted Iron Houses (Donny and Claire)
2 Shop Boats
1 Pot Torch (Claire)
4 Pots (Culture)

To make Heim Rada:
3460 Gilda minimum
31 sturdy rocks
6 glass materials
77 sticky clays
44 scraps of metal
4 hunks of copper
4 thunder elements
2 fire elements
4 rolling logs
2 sturdy cloths
1 wind element

Makes:
3 Brick Houses (Gerald, Borneo, and Eric)
1 Brick Chimney
3 Iron Stands
1 Generator
1 Great Crane
1 Power Arm
1 Windmill
16 Pots (Culture)

Moon Flower Palace:
8860 Gilda

Recruitment Costs:
Gerald is the cost of a Bell Trigger - Find one or Make one, don't upgrade
Adel is 90 Gilda
Ferdinand will be free - Buying one is long and unneccessary
Parn is the cost of Golden Paint - Buying one is quicker and Cheaper, less Georama
Donny is the cost of those two coins - Finding them is rare, most likely 3k Gilda
Gordon is 40 Gilda unless you find one in a chest
Claire is Free - Photo
Pau is the Cost of a Carrot
Bruno is Free

Well, I have a bunch of notes I can dig up here are some things I've got down:

Gate Key Monsters until Chapter 5:
1-1, 1-2: Sewer Rat
1-3: Baron Balloon
1-5:, 1-6: Vanguard

2-1: Himarra
2-2. 2-6: Tore
2-3: Tortoise (Have to use Monica)
2-5: Pumpkinhead
2-7: Pixie
2-8: Gyumo
2-9, 2-10: Hunter Fox

3-1: Masked Tribesman
3-2, 3-5x2(Once with Monica) 3-6, 3-11: Elfas
3-3: Dog Statue
3-4: Win Gemron
3-7, 3-9: Fire Gemron
3-10: Thunder Gemron
3-12, 3-14, 3-16: Dragon
3-13: Wind Element
3-15: Holy Gemron

4-1, 4-2, 4-5: Geron
4-3, 4-4: Beach Rat
4-6, 4-10, 4-12: Sand Moler
4-7, 4-9: Anutie Medusa
4-8: Shiva
4-11(Monica), 4-13: Neo Vanguard
4-14: Zappy

To Make Sindain you need: 
2580 Gilda minimum
56 rolling logs
6 forest dews
3 light elements
3 earth elements
15 water elements
1 sturdy cloth
1 glass material
2 sugar canes

Makes:
Eye and Nose Trees
15 Rivers
2 Wooden Houses (Gordon and Adel)
2 Pots (Culture)
1 Wooden Fence (Culture)

To make Balance Valley:
3950 Gilda minimum
15 Forest Dews
15 earth elements
16 water elements
18 sturdy rocks
7 glass materials
5 scraps of metal
1 holy element
6 rolling logs
3 sturdy cloths
2 fire elements
1 Paint of Purple Color
16 Sticky Clay

Makes:
15 Trees
1 Church (Bruno)
1 Chinese Stand (Ferdinand)
1 Star Lamp
1 Purple Brick House (Parn)
3 Pots (Culture)

To make Veniccio:
5300 Gilda needed
50 rolling logs
20 glass materials
80 scraps of metal
4 bundles of hay
8 sturdy cloths
1 fire element
20 sticky clays
40 paint of varying color (10 of blue, red, green, purple each)

Makes:
8 Piers
4 Painted Iron Houses (Donny and Claire)
2 Shop Boats
1 Pot Torch (Claire)
4 Pots (Culture)

To make Heim Rada: 
3460 Gilda minimum
31 sturdy rocks
6 glass materials
77 sticky clays
44 scraps of metal
4 hunks of copper
4 thunder elements
2 fire elements
4 rolling logs
2 sturdy cloths
1 wind element

Makes: 
3 Brick Houses (Gerald, Borneo, and Eric)
1 Brick Chimney
3 Iron Stands
1 Generator
1 Great Crane
1 Power Arm
1 Windmill
16 Pots (Culture)

Moon Flower Palace:
8860 Gilda

Recruitment Costs:
Gerald is the cost of a Bell Trigger - Find one or Make one, don't upgrade
Adel is 90 Gilda
Ferdinand will be free - Buying one is long and unneccessary
Parn is the cost of Golden Paint - Buying one is quicker and Cheaper, less Georama
Donny is the cost of those two coins - Finding them is rare, most likely 3k Gilda
Gordon is 40 Gilda unless you find one in a chest
Claire is Free - Photo
Pau is the Cost of a Carrot
Bruno is Free

deathfire123

2012-04-02 01:03:51 am

Gimme some sugar Shaggy!

A Note for the 2 Forced Monica Battles before Gaspard: I suggest using Improved Bombs for the mobs >> Make the run segmented, open up the save, if the first enemy you bomb doesnt drop the key, restart

deathfire123

2012-04-02 01:04:25 am

Gimme some sugar Shaggy!

That way you only NEED 10 Improved Bombs to get you through Chapter 3, although 12 would be advised

HavokMoobii

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HavokMoobii: 2012-04-02 08:40:03 am

HavokMoobii: 2012-04-02 08:39:39 am

HavokMoobii: 2012-04-02 06:52:06 am

HavokMoobii: 2012-04-02 06:44:02 am

2012-04-02 06:35:19 am

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Parn is the cost of Golden Paint - Buying one is quicker and Cheaper, less Georama

I actually never considered buying the Gold Paint. What I have been doing is restoring the branch and the mushrooms and just inventing the Barrel Cannon instead of collecting ABS. The 5 Thorn Trees and the Fence cost 860 Gilda + The 400 for Barrel Cannon. The Paint is 1000 Gilda right? That would save 260 in chapter 2 and add 340 to chapter 3, which I don't need until after the majority of the dungeon. I'll try that out on my next test run, thanks.

Quote from deathfire123:

A Note for the 2 Forced Monica Battles before Gaspard: I suggest using Improved Bombs for the mobs >> Make the run segmented, open up the save, if the first enemy you bomb doesnt drop the key, restart

Monica has a sealed level in every dungeon, effectively 2 in chapter 3. My current plan is to get 12 bombs from Erik, 4 for 2-3 and 8 for Gaspard. After that im just buying Seal Breaking Scrolls for each Monica floor. I might add an extra bomb trip to afford those scrolls though. Clearing Elephant Army probably isn't an option. The only problem with the Scrolls is that they don't permanently break the seal and I have to use two for Elephant Army.

Like I said before im planning on running SS and Polly could be an interesting backup if I don't get a Roasted Chestnut in the forest. The crunchy bread could be really useful for healing in later chapters, but it would add 420 to a super tight chapter if I do restore Mushroom Burgers plus the time it takes to move Adel out and Polly in and make an extra trip to Jurak Mall. I think its probably better to just reset if I don't get the chest drop, but I might just recruit Polly anyway for the bread. The only time it would add is talking to both her and Norton and a quick move back to the middle of Palm Brinks after getting Adel.

I am currently half way through Chapter 7 on my super casual test run. So far the only big problem has been the Finny Frenzy, which I still need to get sorted out. After I finish the game I'll do another test run to clean up the route and then I'll share what I have.

One last thing. If you are still working on this the gate key monsters listed for 3-4 and 4-8 are wrong. 3-4 is a Thunder Gemron and 4-8 is a Zappy.

Edit:

Quote:

Makes:
3 Brick Houses (Gerald, Borneo, and Eric)
1 Brick Chimney
3 Iron Stands
1 Generator
1 Great Crane
1 Power Arm
1 Windmill
16 Pots (Culture)

What I do for Heim Rada is get the Iron Chimney 2 Geostone and build Veniccio so that by removing just 2 Piers I can instantly pick up 3 of the houses, the pots, and the Pot torch. I then use all that for Heim Rada since you have to rebuild Luna Lab anyway to get the Ixion. Also you can get away with just 15 pots if you stack them right.

Edit2: Another quick edit to share my invention list since you mentioned it earlier.
Chapter 1: Energy Pack. Aquarium(Make in Chapter 4)
Chapter 2: Barrel Cannon, Bell Trigger
Chapter 4: Barrel Cannon III
Chapter 5: Steal Gun
Chapter 7: Soul Breaker, Heavy Hammer, Jet Hover

Edit3: Alright just beat Dark Element.. some notes.
-Only getting the convenient Fruit of Eden maxed out Max's health with 2 to spare, so I need to drop 2 of them from the route. Theres one I get in Luna Lab that can definitely go and I think theres also one in Gundorada Workshop that was pretty bad too.
-Even with max health and a ton of pie Griffon phase 3 is scary
-Its probably a small waste of time, but atleast for this run I really liked sacrificing Monica and Steve to Dark Elements ultimate attack. A little bit of revenge for all the trouble they caused me.. Especially Monica.
-I will almost definitely recruit Polly just for the bread and I might buy a stack of Chicken from Ferdinand at the end.
-Jokers are super weak to Steve so I'll probably kill them on sight for ABS

not much to say other than that. I'll be doing a second more serious test pretty soon and then I'll post the route.

Fun Fact: The longest and most difficult dungeon is the only one that gets every floor cleared in a single rush.

[quote]Parn is the cost of Golden Paint - Buying one is quicker and Cheaper, less Georama[/quote]
I actually never considered buying the Gold Paint. What I have been doing is restoring the branch and the mushrooms and just inventing the Barrel Cannon instead of collecting ABS. The 5 Thorn Trees and the Fence cost 860 Gilda + The 400 for Barrel Cannon. The Paint is 1000 Gilda right? That would save 260 in chapter 2 and add 340 to chapter 3, which I don't need until after the majority of the dungeon. I'll try that out on my next test run, thanks.

[quote="deathfire123"]A Note for the 2 Forced Monica Battles before Gaspard: I suggest using Improved Bombs for the mobs >> Make the run segmented, open up the save, if the first enemy you bomb doesnt drop the key, restart[/quote]
Monica has a sealed level in every dungeon, effectively 2 in chapter 3. My current plan is to get 12 bombs from Erik, 4 for 2-3 and 8 for Gaspard. After that im just buying Seal Breaking Scrolls for each Monica floor. I might add an extra bomb trip to afford those scrolls though. Clearing Elephant Army probably isn't an option. The only problem with the Scrolls is that they don't permanently break the seal and I have to use two for Elephant Army.

Like I said before im planning on running SS and Polly could be an interesting backup if I don't get a Roasted Chestnut in the forest. The crunchy bread could be really useful for healing in later chapters, but it would add 420 to a super tight chapter if I do restore Mushroom Burgers plus the time it takes to move Adel out and Polly in and make an extra trip to Jurak Mall. I think its probably better to just reset if I don't get the chest drop, but I might just recruit Polly anyway for the bread. The only time it would add is talking to both her and Norton and a quick move back to the middle of Palm Brinks after getting Adel.

I am currently half way through Chapter 7 on my super casual test run. So far the only big problem has been the Finny Frenzy, which I still need to get sorted out. After I finish the game I'll do another test run to clean up the route and then I'll share what I have.

One last thing. If you are still working on this the gate key monsters listed for 3-4 and 4-8 are wrong. 3-4 is a Thunder Gemron and 4-8 is a Zappy.

Edit:[quote]Makes:
3 Brick Houses (Gerald, Borneo, and Eric)
1 Brick Chimney
3 Iron Stands
1 Generator
1 Great Crane
1 Power Arm
1 Windmill
16 Pots (Culture)[/quote]

What I do for Heim Rada is get the Iron Chimney 2 Geostone and build Veniccio so that by removing just 2 Piers I can instantly pick up 3 of the houses, the pots, and the Pot torch. I then use all that for Heim Rada since you have to rebuild Luna Lab anyway to get the Ixion. Also you can get away with just 15 pots if you stack them right.

Edit2: Another quick edit to share my invention list since you mentioned it earlier. 
Chapter 1: Energy Pack. Aquarium(Make in Chapter 4)
Chapter 2: Barrel Cannon, Bell Trigger
Chapter 4: Barrel Cannon III
Chapter 5: Steal Gun
Chapter 7: Soul Breaker, Heavy Hammer, Jet Hover

Edit3: Alright just beat Dark Element.. some notes.
-Only getting the convenient Fruit of Eden maxed out Max's health with 2 to spare, so I need to drop 2 of them from the route. Theres one I get in Luna Lab that can definitely go and I think theres also one in Gundorada Workshop that was pretty bad too.
-Even with max health and a ton of pie Griffon phase 3 is scary
-Its probably a small waste of time, but atleast for this run I really liked sacrificing Monica and Steve to Dark Elements ultimate attack. A little bit of revenge for all the trouble they caused me.. Especially Monica.
-I will almost definitely recruit Polly just for the bread and I might buy a stack of Chicken from Ferdinand at the end.
-Jokers are super weak to Steve so I'll probably kill them on sight for ABS

not much to say other than that. I'll be doing a second more serious test pretty soon and then I'll post the route.

Fun Fact: The longest and most difficult dungeon is the only one that gets every floor cleared in a single rush.

deathfire123

2012-04-02 01:28:42 pm

Gimme some sugar Shaggy!

3-4 and 4-8 arent wrong for me, it's Wind Gemron and Shiva when I played

deathfire123

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deathfire123: 2012-04-02 01:33:59 pm

2012-04-02 01:31:55 pm

Gimme some sugar Shaggy!

Are you not making any other Energy Packs? Also, making more Georama is much faster than removing and replacing stuff from Veniccio

HavokMoobii

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HavokMoobii: 2012-04-02 04:30:23 pm

2012-04-02 03:14:54 pm

Thats strange. Those are the enemies listed on gamefaqs, but when I tested it I cleared them all out and no key. In the next test I went straight for the enemies I said and they had it.

Quote from deathfire123:

Are you not making any other Energy Packs? Also, making more Georama is much faster than removing and replacing stuff from Veniccio

It takes 2 seconds to pack up Veniccio and I have to go there anyway to recruit Pau. Doing that also saves money and there are a lot of pricey things I need before chapter 7. For the Energy Pack I really dont want to, but probably will have to. In the run I just did I actually forgot to snap a photo of the firehouse so I couldn't invent Jet Hover, and Steve made it through all 25 floors without a problem, but if im riding around with the Jet hover then I probably will have to refuel once or twice. The Nice thing about the Supernova strat is that even if something happens to Steve I can still clean up a level just fine with Max without losing much time.

Edit: Just ran up to Rainbow Falls Entrance. I actually had bad enough luck with gate keys to get the Barrel Cannon right after Fish Monster Swamp. Having a ranged Ridepod weapon makes the second half of the dungeon sooo much safer and faster. I also got a Carrot off of a Moler that was right next to a Pumpkin Head. It seems like they are fairly common drops so thats good.

I'll probably play this run up to right before Balance Valley Georama and then do a Georama test on a completed file(with 80,000 Gilda :)) to update my shopping lists. Then I can work on consistently getting the damn Finny Frenzy to start when i need it to.

Thats strange. Those are the enemies listed on gamefaqs, but when I tested it I cleared them all out and no key. In the next test I went straight for the enemies I said and they had it. 
[quote="deathfire123"]Are you not making any other Energy Packs? Also, making more Georama is much faster than removing and replacing stuff from Veniccio[/quote] It takes 2 seconds to pack up Veniccio and I have to go there anyway to recruit Pau. Doing that also saves money and there are a lot of pricey things I need before chapter 7. For the Energy Pack I really dont want to, but probably will have to. In the run I just did I actually forgot to snap a photo of the firehouse so I couldn't invent Jet Hover, and Steve made it through all 25 floors without a problem, but if im riding around with the Jet hover then I probably will have to refuel once or twice. The Nice thing about the Supernova strat is that even if something happens to Steve I can still clean up a level just fine with Max without losing much time. 
 
Edit: Just ran up to Rainbow Falls Entrance. I actually had bad enough luck with gate keys to get the Barrel Cannon right after Fish Monster Swamp. Having a ranged Ridepod weapon makes the second half of the dungeon sooo much safer and faster. I also got a Carrot off of a Moler that was right next to a Pumpkin Head. It seems like they are fairly common drops so thats good.

I'll probably play this run up to right before Balance Valley Georama and then do a Georama test on a completed file(with 80,000 Gilda :)) to update my shopping lists. Then I can work on consistently getting the damn Finny Frenzy to start when i need it to.

tjp7154

2012-04-02 06:37:54 pm

#Casual

Oh, I'm pretty sure I had the same problem with those levels. I think gamefaqs was just wrong on those same levels.

deathfire123

2012-04-02 08:04:52 pm

Gimme some sugar Shaggy!

Ill work on the Georama and find the absolute quickest and cheapest route for each city. I'll also film it and post it on youtube.

deathfire123

2012-04-02 08:05:15 pm

Gimme some sugar Shaggy!

This will probably be done this following week

HavokMoobii

2012-04-02 09:47:01 pm

Heres what im currently doing for the Georama

Sindain
Straw House
Pot x 3
Wooden House
River x 15
Jurak Trees

Balance Valley
Brick House(Purple)
Chinese Stand
Pot x 3(From Sindain)
Star Lamp
Church
Thorn Tree x 15

Veniccio
Pier x 8
Iron House x 4
Pot Torch
Pot x 3(From Bal)
Shop Boat x 2

Heim Rada
Iron Stand x 3
Pot x 15(3 from Ven)
Iron House x 3(see above)
Pot Torch(also from Veniccio)
Generator
Great Crane
Power Arm

Moonflower Palace...

Quote from Rakuen:

Good News: You ARE required to get 100% on the Chapter 7 Georama, as far as I can tell. However, you don't need to make every single Georama piece available. Specifically, you don't need 4 Flower Beds, 1 Silver Bench, 2 Roads, and 14 Petal Streams. This saves you a little over 2000 Gelda in materials, not to mention the time placing them. Also, the positioning is pretty loose so long as everything goes in the correct quadrants. I could make a video or something of my Georama to show you what it ends up looking like.

I already tested this and I was able to get away without those items. Actually I completed all of Moonflower Palace without even touching the Georama(Fountain doesn't count) and I had enough money just from killing mobs to build the entire garden.

What I want to test with the Georama is what all I should break at the start of each chapter and use in a later chapter. I have some Ideas already. Such as the Pots being used for the clay in Jet Hover or the River in Sindain becoming a Barrel Cannon III.

Heres what im currently doing for the Georama
[u]
Sindain[/u]
Straw House
Pot x 3
Wooden House
River x 15
Jurak Trees

[u]Balance Valley[/u]
Brick House(Purple)
Chinese Stand
Pot x 3(From Sindain)
Star Lamp
Church
Thorn Tree x 15

[u]Veniccio[/u]
Pier x 8
Iron House x 4
Pot Torch
Pot x 3(From Bal)
Shop Boat x 2

[u]Heim Rada[/u]
Iron Stand x 3
Pot x 15(3 from Ven)
Iron House x 3(see above)
Pot Torch(also from Veniccio)
Generator
Great Crane
Power Arm

Moonflower Palace...
[quote="Rakuen"]
Good News: You ARE required to get 100% on the Chapter 7 Georama, as far as I can tell.  However, you don't need to make every single Georama piece available.  Specifically, you don't need 4 Flower Beds, 1 Silver Bench, 2 Roads, and 14 Petal Streams.  This saves you a little over 2000 Gelda in materials, not to mention the time placing them.  Also, the positioning is pretty loose so long as everything goes in the correct quadrants.  I could make a video or something of my Georama to show you what it ends up looking like.[/quote]
I already tested this and I was able to get away without those items. Actually I completed all of Moonflower Palace without even touching the Georama(Fountain doesn't count) and I had enough money just from killing mobs to build the entire garden.

What I want to test with the Georama is what all I should break at the start of each chapter and use in a later chapter. I have some Ideas already. Such as the Pots being used for the clay in Jet Hover or the River in Sindain becoming a Barrel Cannon III.

deathfire123

2012-04-02 11:58:25 pm

Gimme some sugar Shaggy!

Wooden Houses are Cheaper to make than Straw Houses, I would advise against it

HavokMoobii

2012-04-03 12:25:11 am

Your right. Looking over the conditions I only needed the Straw House for the Golden Eggs which im skipping now anyway. Nice.

deathfire123

2012-04-03 01:32:17 am

Gimme some sugar Shaggy!

Do explain to me your general process in dungeon levels, do you just pick chests that come by your way while searching for creatures?

HavokMoobii

Edit history:

HavokMoobii: 2012-04-03 02:05:07 am

2012-04-03 02:03:23 am

Before Chapter 5 I run around as Max getting any chest on my path and killing possible gatekeepers. I run into attacking range as max and kill with Steve. I have all the numbers for each gatekeeper in the route so I can run directly to the exit if I have the Geostone(if needed) after killing the last mob that can drop it. In Chapters 2 and 4 I'll be killing enemies for Ridepod exp so I will stand around and wait for them then.

After Chapter 4 my reason for opening chests is less for the loot and more for that chance of getting the Magic Crystal so I know exactly where the gatekeeper is and exactly where the Geostone is. Loot is also still important in Chapter 5 and 6 too. In Chapter 7 I'll kill mobs with Steve then switch to Max to get the abs on the weapons for the steal gun. Once I synth the first two weapons my strat will change to moving into range with Steve, Killing with Steal Gun and then switching to the second Soul Breaker for the ABS.

One big reason for getting every chest in sight other than money is the locked areas. Inevitably in a run going through every floor in the main game I am going to get stuck with an enemy behind one of those gates.

Edit: I always risk locked chests. If it needs a key I will trigger the trap and if its pick a trap I always choose exploding.

Before Chapter 5 I run around as Max getting any chest on my path and killing possible gatekeepers. I run into attacking range as max and kill with Steve. I have all the numbers for each gatekeeper in the route so I can run directly to the exit if I have the Geostone(if needed) after killing the last mob that can drop it. In Chapters 2 and 4 I'll be killing enemies for Ridepod exp so I will stand around and wait for them then.

After Chapter 4 my reason for opening chests is less for the loot and more for that chance of getting the Magic Crystal so I know exactly where the gatekeeper is and exactly where the Geostone is. Loot is also still important in Chapter 5 and 6 too. In Chapter 7 I'll kill mobs with Steve then switch to Max to get the abs on the weapons for the steal gun. Once I synth the first two weapons my strat will change to moving into range with Steve, Killing with Steal Gun and then switching to the second Soul Breaker for the ABS.

One big reason for getting every chest in sight other than money is the locked areas. Inevitably in a run going through every floor in the main game I am going to get stuck with an enemy behind one of those gates.

Edit: I always risk locked chests. If it needs a key I will trigger the trap and if its pick a trap I always choose exploding.

deathfire123

2012-04-03 02:44:11 am

Gimme some sugar Shaggy!

Thats what you should ALWAYS do with trapped chests. If its exploding, you lose the chest if you dont guess exploding

HavokMoobii

2012-04-03 03:38:56 am

Yup Yup. I guess that was pretty obvious, but still worth mentioning.

Heres my first completed route. Keep in mind that I still need to test getting the Finny Frenzy to line up right and I have no idea how good of a Core I need for both Barrel Cannon III and Jet Hover, probably the 4th one.. I'll check tomorrow. Otherwise feel free to blast it apart. Whenever I say to buy something the number in parentheses is how many minimum I should have and its 0 if there is none. With the current shopping plan The only planned items I would have at the end of the game is 2 Sugar Cane, everything else gets used somewhere.

Pay better attention to my Repair Powder and food supply!!!!
Open all chests in sight, in first 2 Chapters go out of your way for them
A Roasted Chestnut from Chapter 2 is absolutely required
Claire can be recruited during any trip to Palm Brinks, if she is not on the train before Elephant Army, Recruit her at the Cafe by moving to Palm Brinks Station and exiting it after getting the scroll
A Carrot is needed from a Sand Moler, it seems to be a fairly common drop and I need to collect ABS anyway
4 Hunter Crystals and 2100 Ridepod EXP are needed for the end of Chapter 4
Also save Destruction Crystals(up to 10) and Power Crystals(2), especially after Chapter 3
Ridepod needs a better core before Chapter 7 I need to check exactly what it needs
Level Steal Gun to +3 in MFP
As soon as the following items hit level 5 Synth the listed materials to them and synth them to Steal Gun
Heavy Hammer
27 Scraps of Metal
5 Sturdy Cloth
Soul Breaker x 2
19 Sturdy Cloth Each

-Default costume
-Defeat baddies
-3rd cutscene after battle can't be skipped until you can see Cedric
-Get Wrench
-Circus nonsense
-Spin attack 2 Clowns at a time

-Talk to Donny
-1-1 Rat x 6
-1-2 Rat x 3
-1-3 Balloon x 4
-Linda

-Photo "Spree"
-Belt, Window+Wooden Box. Fountain, Pipe, Milk Can, Barrel, Book
-Morton, Sell
20 Scrap of Metal
2 Thick Hide
2 Huck of Copper
-Invent Energy Pack(Belt,Milk,Pipe) and Aquarium(Fountain, Window, Wooden Box)
Get money from Cedric
-Make Pack

-Linda
-1-4 Vanguard x 4
-1-5 Vanguard x 3
-Halloween
-Picture of Waterfall
-Picture of Firehouse
-Flotsam

-Repair Robot Parts
-Get Bombs
-Sindain
-Picture of Tree
-Firbits

-2-1 Himarra x 8, Picture of Himarra
-2-2 Tore x 5
-2-3 Tortoise x 4 (Kill with whatever bombs are on hand)

-Great Fish Swamp
-Talk to Firbits
-Catch 2 Fish(Get some extra bait after first catch, reset if one isnt a Prisclean)
-Utan
-Poison Apple if needed
-Catch Mardan
-Give fish
-Go back to Firbits
-Leave dungeon, Repair Robot Parts, Barrel Cannon(Cedric as 3rd Party Member if I can’t afford Barrel Cannon)
-Move to Sindain
-Carpenterian

-Move to Swamp
-Utan
-Exit

-2-4 Pumpkin Head x 6, Geostone Get
-2-5 Tore x 5, Geostone Get
-2-6 Pixie x 6, Geostone Get
-2-7 Gyumo x 5. Geostone Get
-2-8 Hunter Fox x 6, Geostone Get
-2-9 Hunter Fox x 4

-Leave Dungeon, cutscene warp to Sindain
-Pickup and Break everything but Firbit House and Trees
-Picture of Tree
-Move to Station
-To Conda, Buy
(40)15 Rolling Log
(1)2 Sturdy Cloth
1 Glass Material
12 Sticky Clay
(1)3 Sugar Cane
6 Forest Dew
(1)9 Scrap of Metal
2 Silver Ball
1 Hunk of Copper
3 Light Element
2 Wind Element

-Move to Palm Brinks
-Buy a Holy Water from Bruno if needed
-Recruit Gordon, Claire(if night), Ferdinand, and Adel
-Picture of Phone
-Invent and Build Bell Trigger(Fountain, Phone, Tree)
-Recruit Gerald

Move to Sindain
-Build and Place
3 Pot
2 Wooden House
1 Eye Tree 1
1 Eye Tree 2
1 Nose Tree
15 River
-Adel and Gordon Reside in Sindain
-Future
-Past to Future again
-Upgrades
-Past to Future a 3rd time
-Coins, Himarra Badge, and Gold Paint

-Move to Woods
-1-1 Sundrop, Escape
-Rainbow Falls
-Scene on top of the Flower is skippable after camera focuses on Monica
-Rainbow Butterfly

-Future
-Take Train
-Repair Robot Parts
-Get Bombs
-Move to Sindain

Pickup and Break Everything but the Firbit House, the Pots, and Trees, take the Trees and the Pots

-To Lin’s House
-Move to Palm Brinks
-Upgrades
-Recruit Donny and get the Upgrade
-Exit Dungeon
-Start the Polly quest and Talk to Morton
-Recruit Bruno
-Picture of Candle
-Check Morton’s House
-Recruit Parn
-Get Purple Paint in Parn’s House
-Recruit Dr. Dell
-To Lin’s House

-Move To Starlight Canyon

-3-1 Masked Tribesman x 8, Geostone Get(Use Cannonball Arm if possible)
-3-2 Elfas x 3, Geostone Get
-3-3 Dog Statue x 4
-3-4 Thunder Gemron x 4(Gamefaqs Lies!)

-Exit
-Repair Robot Parts at Sindain, Cedric as 3rd Party Member
-Move to Palm Brinks and Buy Seal-Breaking Scroll(2 if Possible)
-Recruit Polly
-If Claire is not in the party yet Move to Sindain Station and go to the Cafe to get her

-Move to Starlight Canyon
-3-5 Elfas x 11(Use Scroll Here) Take Moon Exit
-3-8 Elfas x 6
-3-9 Fire Gemron x 2, Geostone Get
-3-10 Thunder Gemron x 2
-3-11 Elfas x 2
-3-12 Dragon x 1

-Buy Scroll if needed
-Return to 3-5 Break Seal, Take the Sun Exit
-3-6 Elfas x 4
-3-7 Fire Gemron x 4, Geostone Get

-Exit Dungeon
-Move to Sindain Station
-Repair Robot Parts
-To Conda, Buy
16 Sturdy Rock
(2)1 Sturdy Cloth
(2)5 Glass Material
4 Sticky Clay
(3)10 Forest Dew
5 Scrap of Metal
1 Holy Element
(4)9 Earth Element
(1)1 Fire Element

-To Balance Valley
-Make
13 Thorn Tree
1 Brick House
1 Chinese Stand
1 Star Lamp
1 Church
-8 Trees, Church and Bruno at farthest Platform
-Everything else +Parn and Ferdinand on closest

-Future
-3 Bridge(all but Star Items one) and Middle Upgrades
-To Starlight Canyon
-Barga’s Valley(Can't skip Spheda explanation HIT NO!)
-Fail to impress Monica with less than amazing Spheda skillz
-White Windflower
-Future
-Miracle Dumplings
-Save Lin’s Life
-Future
-Chest in front of Star Items(If you don't have 10 Destruction Crystals, 4 Hunter Crystals, and 2 Power Crystals now BUY THEM)
-Starglass
-To Starlight Canyon

-Phantom Memo Eater
-3-13 Wind Element x 5
-3-14 Dragon x 3
-3-15 Holy Gemron x 2
-3-16 Dragon x 5

-Lighthouse
-Cant Skip the Top of the Lighthouse Scene before the battle until the camera changes
-Takes 8 Bombs to kill Gaspard

-Future
-Can't skip second cutscene until you see Moonflower Palace
-Take Train
-To Balance Valley
-Buy 20 Red, Blue, and Green Paint(If cant afford, move Parn into the purple house when building Luna Lab for the rest)
-Pick up the Pots and Break the Stand, the House, the church, and the Lamp

-To Veniccio Station
-Repair Robot Parts
-Cedric as 3rd Party Member

-Pau
-To Ocean’s Roar Cave
-4-1 Geron x 4, Geostone Get
-4-2 Geron x 4
-4-3 Beach Rat x 4, Geostone Get
-4-4 Beach Rat x 4
-4-5 Geron x 6, Geostone Get
-4-6 Sand Moler x 8
-4-7 Auntie Medusa x 4
-4-8 Shiva x 2
-Cave of Ancient Murals

-Move to Veniccio Station
Repair Robot Parts, Upgrade Core
-To Conda, Buy

(23)49 Rolling Log

4 Bundle of Hay
(1)7 Sturdy Cloth
25 Gunpowder
(4)20 Glass Material
(2)2 Sticky Clay
(2)78 Scraps of Metal
(11)4 Water Element
-If extra money go buy a Seal Breaking Scroll
-Make
8 Pier
4 Iron House
1 Pot Torch
2 Shop Boat
-Build Veniccio(Build it so everything but the purple house would be picked up by getting rid of 2 Piers)
-Move Claire, Parn(if still need Paint), and Donny in

-Future
-Get 3 Upgrades on way to Red Lab
-Invent Aquarium and put extra Chapter 2 Fish in
-Electric Worm
-Picture of Energy Pipe in Red Lab

-Puppet Shingala

-Move to Ocean’s Roar Cave
-4-9 Zappy x 2 (GAMEFAQS!! DX)
-4-10 Sand Moler x 4
-If Needed get a Scroll
-4-11 Neo Vanguard x 4
-4-12 Sand Moler x 4

-Whenever it is available, go to Finny Frenzy, also buy a Seal Breaking Scroll if before 5-2
-Water Tank
-Invent and Equip Barrel Cannon III(Barrel, Waterfall, Water Tank)
-Future
-Shell Talkie, Upgrade in back of Blue Lab

-4-13 Neo Vanguard x 4
-4-14 Zappy x 6 Geostone Get
-Get Medicine
-Heal Shingala
-Dr. Jaming

-Future
-Center platform Upgrades at 7 and 11 o’clock
-Ma
-Take Train
-Can't skip scene where the train is arriving

-Repair Robot Parts.
-To Heim Rada
-To Veniccio
-Pickup Iron House and Pot Piers
-Recruit Pau
-To Heim Rada
-Picture of Geyser

-To Mount Gundor
-5-1 Rifle Wolf x 6, Geostone Get
-If Still no Finny Frenzy.. Exit and buy a Scroll
-5-2 Steam Tore x 2, Geostone Get
-5-3 Ice Gundron x 4
-5-4 Rifle Wolf x 6
-5-5 Steam Tore x 2, Geostone Get, Clear floor and win Spheda for a Bandit Coin
-5-6 Griffon Soldier x 6
-5-7 Griffon Soldier x 6
-5-8 Steam Tore x 2, Geostone Get
-5-9 Griffon Soldier x 6
-5-10 Rifle Wolf x 2
-5-11 Steam Tore x 4
-Exit Dungeon

-To Heim Rada Stop
-To Conda, Buy
4 Rolling Log
2 Sturdy Cloth
48 Sticky Clay
48 Scrap of Metal
10 Silver Ball
4 Hunk of Copper
(3)7 Light Element
4 Thunder Element
1 Wind Element
(1)2 Fire Element

-Move to Heim Rada
-Make
12 Pot
3 Iron Stand
1 Iron Chimney 2
1 Windmill
1 Generator
1 Great Crane
1 Power Arm
-Picture of Power Arm

-Future
-Picture of Work Crane
-Picture of Jump Gate(Transmission Device)
-Invent, Build, and Equip Steal Gun(Book, Fountain, Work Crane)
-To East Gate
-2 Upgrades Just past Lift
-Second Floor, Time Bomb
-2 Nearby Upgrades
-Picture of Drum Can In G-Parts
-First Floor
-To Time Gate

-To Mount Gundor Peak
-Break the Fire Squall
-Break the Flying Battleship(Might Bring Cedric along to be safe!)
-Lower Exit

-5-12 Chimera x 2
-5-13 Lava Runner x 6
-5-14 Chimera x 4
-5-15 Bone Lord x 4
-5-16 Red Dragon x 6
Exit Dungeon

-To Cedric’s House
-Repair Robot Parts
-Future
-To West Gate
-Upgrade
-To Lift
-3rd Floor
-Upgrade under ramp
-Fire Horn

-To Mount Gundor Mouth
-Can't skip parting lava cutscene
-Gaspard

-Future
-Picture of Paznos
-To Bridge
-Paznos vs Golems Cutscene
-Every time the scene shifts to inside Paznos after the Golem army is first show is a skippable mini-scene

-To Heim Rada
-Pickup the Pots, Windmill, and the Houses, Break 12 Pots and Windmill
-To Veniccio
-Rebuild Luna Lab
-Ixion
-After the first two scenes no skipping until Chapter 6!

-Sirus

-To Rainbow Butterfly Woods Star Path
-2S-1 Spirit Flyer x 6
-2S-2 Mad Tore x 4
-2S-3 Mad Tore x 6
-Trentos
-Earth Gem

-To Starlight Canyon Star Path
-3S-1 Balalla x 12
-3S-2 Balalla x 6
-3S-3 Bluno x 6
-Lapis Garter
-Wind Gem

-To Palm Brinks
-Seal Breaking Scroll

-To Ocean’s Roar Cave Star Path
-4S-1 Star Tortoise x 4
-4S-2 Fat Naga x 6
-4S-3 Arkerath x 4
-Sea Dragon
-Water Gem

-To Mount Gundor Star Path
-5S-1 Red Fox x 6
-5S-2 Fire Spirit x 4
-5S-3 Flaming Nail x 8
-Inferno
-Fire Gem

To Sindain Station
To Conda, Buy
(6)4 Sturdy Rock
(1)42 Sturdy Cloth
14 Glass Material
(24)6 Sticky Clay
57 Scrap of Metal
10 Silver Ball
15 Hunk of Copper
2 Water Element
6 Fire Element
If enough extra go get the last Seal Breaker

-To Kazarov Stonehenge
-Gems in Altars
-Chrono Union
-Talk to Osmond
-Enter Palace
-No Skippy this Scene

-Build a Fountain and take a picture
-Invent, Build and Equip
Jet Hover(Candle, Firehouse, Relaxation Fountain)
Soul Breaker x 2 (Energy Pipe, Geyser, Transmission Device)
Heavy Hammer (Drum Can, Paznos, Power Arm)
-Moonflower Palace

-7-1 Castle Eater x 6
-7-2 Club x 5, Geostone Get, Kill a Diamond
-7-3 Evil Performer x 6
-7-4 Castle Eater x 6, Sun Exit
-7-5 Evil Performer x 6, Geostone Get
-7-6 Moon Goyone x 6
-7-7 Stormy x 2
-7-8 Moon Goyone x 6, Geostone Get
-7-9 Moonflowephant x 1
-7-10 Evil Performer x 6, Geostone Get
-Garden
-Flower of the Sun

-Moon Exit
-Make sure to have a Scroll

-7-11 Stormy x 1, Geostone Get
-7-12 Fire Drake x 4, Geostone Get
-7-13 Moonflowephant x 2, Geostone Get
-7-14 Guardia x 4, Geostone Get
-7-15 Thunder Ghost x 4, Geostone Get
-7-16 Vanguard Mk 2 x 2
-7-17 Stormy x 2
-7-18 Vanguard Mk 2 x 6, Geostone Get
-7-19 Leogriff x 2
-Alexandra’s Room
-7-20 S. Club, Geostone Get
-7-21 Vanguard Mk 2 x 6
-7-22 Leach x 4
-7-23 Vanguard Mk 2 x 4
-7-24 Earth Dragon x 4
-Exit Dungeon

-All Non-Monica Foyer Upgrades
All but 3rd on left and right
Downstairs all but 2nd on left
Left, Under stairs
Right, by stairs
All but 2nd on right
2 by door

-To Sindain Conda, Buy
47 Sturdy Rock
(6)22 Rough Rock
2 Glass Material
1 Gold Bar
3 Light Element
(1)15 Holy Element
15 Earth Element
16 Water Element
2 Life Element
-To Moonflower Palace, Make
2 Petal Stream
1 Hall of Sorrow
1 Stardust Pond
2 Starlight Stairs
2 Flower Beds
1 Palace Stairs
16 Moon Column
1 Silver Bench
8 Road to Golbad
4 Roads
2 Camellia Tree
-Try not to totally fail at placing all that
-Moon Stone
-Supernova

-”Sirus”
-Griffon
-Minibosses
-Dark Element
.done

Yup Yup. I guess that was pretty obvious, but still worth mentioning.

Heres my first completed route. Keep in mind that I still need to test getting the Finny Frenzy to line up right and I have no idea how good of a Core I need for both Barrel Cannon III and Jet Hover, probably the 4th one.. I'll check tomorrow. Otherwise feel free to blast it apart. Whenever I say to buy something the number in parentheses is how many minimum I should have and its 0 if there is none. With the current shopping plan The only planned items I would have at the end of the game is 2 Sugar Cane, everything else gets used somewhere.

[hidden="General Notes To Self"]Pay better attention to my Repair Powder and food supply!!!!
Open all chests in sight, in first 2 Chapters go out of your way for them
A Roasted Chestnut from Chapter 2 is absolutely required
Claire can be recruited during any trip to Palm Brinks, if she is not on the train before Elephant Army, Recruit her at the Cafe by moving to Palm Brinks Station and exiting it after getting the scroll
A Carrot is needed from a Sand Moler, it seems to be a fairly common drop and I need to collect ABS anyway
4 Hunter Crystals and 2100 Ridepod EXP are needed for the end of Chapter 4
Also save Destruction Crystals(up to 10) and Power Crystals(2), especially after Chapter 3
Ridepod needs a better core before Chapter 7 I need to check exactly what it needs
Level Steal Gun to +3 in MFP
As soon as the following items hit level 5 Synth the listed materials to them and synth them to Steal Gun
Heavy Hammer
    27 Scraps of Metal
    5 Sturdy Cloth
Soul Breaker x 2
    19 Sturdy Cloth Each[/hidden]
[hidden="Chapter 1"]-Default costume
-Defeat baddies
-3rd cutscene after battle can't be skipped until you can see Cedric
-Get Wrench
-Circus nonsense
-Spin attack 2 Clowns at a time

-Talk to Donny
-1-1 Rat x 6
-1-2 Rat x 3
-1-3 Balloon x 4
-Linda

-Photo "Spree"
-Belt, Window+Wooden Box. Fountain, Pipe, Milk Can, Barrel, Book
-Morton, Sell
 20 Scrap of Metal
 2 Thick Hide
 2 Huck of Copper
-Invent Energy Pack(Belt,Milk,Pipe) and Aquarium(Fountain, Window, Wooden Box)
Get money from Cedric
-Make Pack

-Linda
-1-4 Vanguard x 4
-1-5 Vanguard x 3
-Halloween
-Picture of Waterfall
-Picture of Firehouse
-Flotsam[/hidden]
[hidden="Chapter 2"]-Repair Robot Parts
-Get Bombs
-Sindain
-Picture of Tree
-Firbits

-2-1 Himarra x 8, Picture of Himarra
-2-2 Tore x 5
-2-3 Tortoise x 4 (Kill with whatever bombs are on hand)

-Great Fish Swamp
-Talk to Firbits
-Catch 2 Fish(Get some extra bait after first catch, reset if one isnt a Prisclean)
-Utan
-Poison Apple if needed
-Catch Mardan
-Give fish
-Go back to Firbits
-Leave dungeon, Repair Robot Parts, Barrel Cannon(Cedric as 3rd Party Member if I can’t afford Barrel Cannon)
-Move to Sindain
-Carpenterian

-Move to Swamp
-Utan
-Exit

-2-4 Pumpkin Head x 6, Geostone Get
-2-5 Tore x 5, Geostone Get
-2-6 Pixie x 6, Geostone Get
-2-7 Gyumo x 5. Geostone Get
-2-8 Hunter Fox x 6, Geostone Get
-2-9 Hunter Fox x 4

-Leave Dungeon, cutscene warp to Sindain
-Pickup and Break everything but Firbit House and Trees
-Picture of Tree
-Move to Station
-To Conda, Buy
 (40)15 Rolling Log
 (1)2 Sturdy Cloth
 1 Glass Material
 12 Sticky Clay
 (1)3 Sugar Cane   
 6 Forest Dew
 (1)9 Scrap of Metal
 2 Silver Ball
 1 Hunk of Copper
 3 Light Element
 2 Wind Element

-Move to Palm Brinks
-Buy a Holy Water from Bruno if needed
-Recruit Gordon, Claire(if night), Ferdinand, and Adel
-Picture of Phone
-Invent and Build Bell Trigger(Fountain, Phone, Tree)
-Recruit Gerald

Move to Sindain
-Build and Place
 3 Pot
 2 Wooden House
 1 Eye Tree 1
 1 Eye Tree 2
 1 Nose Tree
 15 River
-Adel and Gordon Reside in Sindain
-Future
-Past to Future again
-Upgrades
-Past to Future a 3rd time
-Coins, Himarra Badge, and Gold Paint

-Move to Woods
-1-1 Sundrop, Escape
-Rainbow Falls
-Scene on top of the Flower is skippable after camera focuses on Monica
-Rainbow Butterfly

-Future
-Take Train
-Repair Robot Parts
-Get Bombs
-Move to Sindain

Pickup and Break Everything but the Firbit House, the Pots, and Trees, take the Trees and the Pots

-To Lin’s House
-Move to Palm Brinks
-Upgrades
-Recruit Donny and get the Upgrade
-Exit Dungeon
-Start the Polly quest and Talk to Morton
-Recruit Bruno
-Picture of Candle
-Check Morton’s House
-Recruit Parn
-Get Purple Paint in Parn’s House
-Recruit Dr. Dell
-To Lin’s House[/hidden]
[hidden="Chapter 3"]-Move To Starlight Canyon

-3-1 Masked Tribesman x 8, Geostone Get(Use Cannonball Arm if possible)
-3-2 Elfas x 3, Geostone Get
-3-3 Dog Statue x 4
-3-4 Thunder Gemron x 4(Gamefaqs Lies!)

-Exit
-Repair Robot Parts at Sindain, Cedric as 3rd Party Member
-Move to Palm Brinks and Buy Seal-Breaking Scroll(2 if Possible)
-Recruit Polly
-If Claire is not in the party yet Move to Sindain Station and go to the Cafe to get her

-Move to Starlight Canyon
-3-5 Elfas x 11(Use Scroll Here) Take Moon Exit
-3-8 Elfas x 6
-3-9 Fire Gemron x 2, Geostone Get
-3-10 Thunder Gemron x 2
-3-11 Elfas x 2
-3-12 Dragon x 1

-Buy Scroll if needed
-Return to 3-5 Break Seal, Take the Sun Exit
-3-6 Elfas x 4
-3-7 Fire Gemron x 4, Geostone Get

-Exit Dungeon
-Move to Sindain Station
-Repair Robot Parts
-To Conda, Buy
 16 Sturdy Rock
 (2)1 Sturdy Cloth
 (2)5 Glass Material
 4 Sticky Clay
 (3)10 Forest Dew
 5 Scrap of Metal
 1 Holy Element
 (4)9 Earth Element
 (1)1 Fire Element

-To Balance Valley
-Make
 13 Thorn Tree
 1 Brick House
 1 Chinese Stand
 1 Star Lamp
 1 Church
-8 Trees, Church and Bruno at farthest Platform
-Everything else +Parn and Ferdinand on closest

-Future
-3 Bridge(all but Star Items one) and Middle Upgrades
-To Starlight Canyon
-Barga’s Valley(Can't skip Spheda explanation HIT NO!)
-Fail to impress Monica with less than amazing Spheda skillz
-White Windflower
-Future
-Miracle Dumplings
-Save Lin’s Life
-Future
-Chest in front of Star Items(If you don't have 10 Destruction Crystals, 4 Hunter Crystals, and 2 Power Crystals now BUY THEM)
-Starglass
-To Starlight Canyon

-Phantom Memo Eater
-3-13 Wind Element x 5
-3-14 Dragon x 3
-3-15 Holy Gemron x 2
-3-16 Dragon x 5

-Lighthouse
-Cant Skip the Top of the Lighthouse Scene before the battle until the camera changes
-Takes 8 Bombs to kill Gaspard

-Future
-Can't skip second cutscene until you see Moonflower Palace
-Take Train
-To Balance Valley
-Buy 20 Red, Blue, and Green Paint(If cant afford, move Parn into the purple house when building Luna Lab for the rest)
-Pick up the Pots and Break the Stand, the House, the church, and the Lamp

-To Veniccio Station
-Repair Robot Parts
-Cedric as 3rd Party Member[/hidden]
[hidden="Chapter 4"]-Pau
-To Ocean’s Roar Cave
-4-1 Geron x 4, Geostone Get
-4-2 Geron x 4
-4-3 Beach Rat x 4, Geostone Get
-4-4 Beach Rat x 4
-4-5 Geron x 6, Geostone Get
-4-6 Sand Moler x 8
-4-7 Auntie Medusa x 4
-4-8 Shiva x 2
-Cave of Ancient Murals

-Move to Veniccio Station
Repair Robot Parts, Upgrade Core
-To Conda, Buy

(23)49 Rolling Log

4 Bundle of Hay
 (1)7 Sturdy Cloth
 25 Gunpowder
 (4)20 Glass Material
 (2)2 Sticky Clay
 (2)78 Scraps of Metal
 (11)4 Water Element
-If extra money go buy a Seal Breaking Scroll
-Make
 8 Pier
 4 Iron House
 1 Pot Torch
 2 Shop Boat
-Build Veniccio(Build it so everything but the purple house would be picked up by getting rid of 2 Piers)
-Move Claire, Parn(if still need Paint), and Donny in

-Future
-Get 3 Upgrades on way to Red Lab
-Invent Aquarium and put extra Chapter 2 Fish in
-Electric Worm
-Picture of Energy Pipe in Red Lab

-Puppet Shingala

-Move to Ocean’s Roar Cave
-4-9 Zappy x 2 (GAMEFAQS!! DX)
-4-10 Sand Moler x 4
-If Needed get a Scroll
-4-11 Neo Vanguard x 4
-4-12 Sand Moler x 4

-Whenever it is available, go to Finny Frenzy, also buy a Seal Breaking Scroll if before 5-2
-Water Tank
-Invent and Equip Barrel Cannon III(Barrel, Waterfall, Water Tank)
-Future
-Shell Talkie, Upgrade in back of Blue Lab

-4-13 Neo Vanguard x 4
-4-14 Zappy x 6 Geostone Get
-Get Medicine
-Heal Shingala
-Dr. Jaming

-Future
-Center platform Upgrades at 7 and 11 o’clock
-Ma
-Take Train
-Can't skip scene where the train is arriving[/hidden]
[hidden="Chapter 5"]-Repair Robot Parts.
-To Heim Rada
-To Veniccio
-Pickup Iron House and Pot Piers
-Recruit Pau
-To Heim Rada
-Picture of Geyser

-To Mount Gundor
-5-1 Rifle Wolf x 6, Geostone Get
-If Still no Finny Frenzy.. Exit and buy a Scroll
-5-2 Steam Tore x 2, Geostone Get
-5-3 Ice Gundron x 4
-5-4 Rifle Wolf x 6
-5-5 Steam Tore x 2, Geostone Get, Clear floor and win Spheda for a Bandit Coin
-5-6 Griffon Soldier x 6
-5-7 Griffon Soldier x 6
-5-8 Steam Tore x 2, Geostone Get
-5-9 Griffon Soldier x 6
-5-10 Rifle Wolf x 2
-5-11 Steam Tore x 4
-Exit Dungeon

-To Heim Rada Stop
-To Conda, Buy
 4 Rolling Log
 2 Sturdy Cloth
 48 Sticky Clay
 48 Scrap of Metal
 10 Silver Ball
 4 Hunk of Copper
 (3)7 Light Element
 4 Thunder Element
 1 Wind Element
 (1)2 Fire Element

-Move to Heim Rada
-Make
 12 Pot
 3 Iron Stand
 1 Iron Chimney 2
 1 Windmill
 1 Generator
 1 Great Crane
 1 Power Arm
-Picture of Power Arm

-Future
-Picture of Work Crane
-Picture of Jump Gate(Transmission Device)
-Invent, Build, and Equip Steal Gun(Book, Fountain, Work Crane)
-To East Gate
-2 Upgrades Just past Lift
-Second Floor, Time Bomb
-2 Nearby Upgrades
-Picture of Drum Can In G-Parts
-First Floor
-To Time Gate

-To Mount Gundor Peak
-Break the Fire Squall
-Break the Flying Battleship(Might Bring Cedric along to be safe!)
-Lower Exit

-5-12 Chimera x 2
-5-13 Lava Runner x 6
-5-14 Chimera x 4
-5-15 Bone Lord x 4
-5-16 Red Dragon x 6
Exit Dungeon

-To Cedric’s House
-Repair Robot Parts
-Future
-To West Gate
-Upgrade
-To Lift
-3rd Floor
-Upgrade under ramp
-Fire Horn

-To Mount Gundor Mouth
-Can't skip parting lava cutscene
-Gaspard

-Future
-Picture of Paznos
-To Bridge
-Paznos vs Golems Cutscene
-Every time the scene shifts to inside Paznos after the Golem army is first show is a skippable mini-scene

-To Heim Rada
-Pickup the Pots, Windmill, and the Houses, Break 12 Pots and Windmill
-To Veniccio
-Rebuild Luna Lab
-Ixion
-After the first two scenes no skipping until Chapter 6![/hidden]
[hidden="Chapter 6"]-Sirus

-To Rainbow Butterfly Woods Star Path
-2S-1 Spirit Flyer x 6
-2S-2 Mad Tore x 4
-2S-3 Mad Tore x 6
-Trentos
-Earth Gem

-To Starlight Canyon Star Path
-3S-1 Balalla x 12
-3S-2 Balalla x 6
-3S-3 Bluno x 6
-Lapis Garter
-Wind Gem

-To Palm Brinks
-Seal Breaking Scroll

-To Ocean’s Roar Cave Star Path
-4S-1 Star Tortoise x 4
-4S-2 Fat Naga x 6
-4S-3 Arkerath x 4
-Sea Dragon
-Water Gem

-To Mount Gundor Star Path
-5S-1 Red Fox x 6
-5S-2 Fire Spirit x 4
-5S-3 Flaming Nail x 8
-Inferno
-Fire Gem

To Sindain Station
To Conda, Buy
 (6)4 Sturdy Rock
 (1)42 Sturdy Cloth
 14 Glass Material
 (24)6 Sticky Clay
 57 Scrap of Metal
 10 Silver Ball
 15 Hunk of Copper
 2 Water Element
 6 Fire Element
If enough extra go get the last Seal Breaker

-To Kazarov Stonehenge
-Gems in Altars
-Chrono Union
-Talk to Osmond
-Enter Palace
-No Skippy this Scene[/hidden]
[hidden="Chapter 7"]-Build a Fountain and take a picture
-Invent, Build and Equip
 Jet Hover(Candle, Firehouse, Relaxation Fountain)
 Soul Breaker x 2 (Energy Pipe, Geyser, Transmission Device)
 Heavy Hammer (Drum Can, Paznos, Power Arm)
-Moonflower Palace

-7-1 Castle Eater x 6
-7-2 Club x 5, Geostone Get, Kill a Diamond
-7-3 Evil Performer x 6
-7-4 Castle Eater x 6, Sun Exit
-7-5 Evil Performer x 6, Geostone Get
-7-6 Moon Goyone x 6
-7-7 Stormy x 2
-7-8 Moon Goyone x 6, Geostone Get
-7-9 Moonflowephant x 1
-7-10 Evil Performer x 6, Geostone Get
-Garden
-Flower of the Sun

-Moon Exit
-Make sure to have a Scroll

-7-11 Stormy x 1, Geostone Get
-7-12 Fire Drake x 4, Geostone Get
-7-13 Moonflowephant x 2, Geostone Get
-7-14 Guardia x 4, Geostone Get
-7-15 Thunder Ghost x 4, Geostone Get
-7-16 Vanguard Mk 2 x 2
-7-17 Stormy x 2
-7-18 Vanguard Mk 2 x 6, Geostone Get
-7-19 Leogriff x 2
-Alexandra’s Room
-7-20 S. Club, Geostone Get
-7-21 Vanguard Mk 2 x 6
-7-22 Leach x 4
-7-23 Vanguard Mk 2 x 4
-7-24 Earth Dragon x 4
-Exit Dungeon

-All Non-Monica Foyer Upgrades
    All but 3rd on left and right
    Downstairs all but 2nd on left
    Left, Under stairs
    Right, by stairs
    All but 2nd on right
    2 by door
   
-To Sindain Conda, Buy
 47 Sturdy Rock
 (6)22 Rough Rock
 2 Glass Material
 1 Gold Bar
 3 Light Element
 (1)15 Holy Element
 15 Earth Element
 16 Water Element   
 2 Life Element
-To Moonflower Palace, Make
 2 Petal Stream
 1 Hall of Sorrow
 1 Stardust Pond
 2 Starlight Stairs
 2 Flower Beds
 1 Palace Stairs
 16 Moon Column
 1 Silver Bench
 8 Road to Golbad
 4 Roads
 2 Camellia Tree
-Try not to totally fail at placing all that
-Moon Stone
-Supernova

-”Sirus”
-Griffon
-Minibosses
-Dark Element
.done[/hidden]

deathfire123

2012-04-03 11:50:25 am

Gimme some sugar Shaggy!

Well I have a question: What do you do when Dark Element uses his "Anti-Max" shield and forces you to use Monica?

HavokMoobii

2012-04-03 12:26:35 pm

I have no choice but to wait. It seems like he switches every 5-30 seconds. The Supernova kills him so fast I only need 2-3 Max phases.

deathfire123

2012-04-03 12:32:11 pm

Gimme some sugar Shaggy!

Why do you make 2 Soul Breakers and what are they for?