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Enhasa

2006-05-16 10:25:00 pm

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

They are weak against Dark, so I would use Shadow Servant. Smiley

KareemZ.

2006-05-20 01:02:10 am

Hello!

Hey thanks.
Ill remember that for my next run.
Right now iam at the Mages (3 of em). I cant beat them. One is like quite invincible because i do no dmg on him.

Barbarossa was quite the trouble as well. He annoyed me when he did his Calamity blast thing.

Iam asking myself, many people could have just missed the 3 mages battle. It took me alot of time to find that you had too break the window in order too get to them.
God bless those Eye.

How am i suppose too kill one when i hit him and he takes 0 dmg.

Enhasa

2006-05-20 01:29:22 am

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

Try using mages or Sap Guard/Might Reinforce. Reflect Sorcery is also useful. If you can beat Barbarossa then you should be able to beat 3 mages as well.

Well really, I was very glad they made it difficult to find (they are hiding after all :P). Not much in VP is required to do, so if someone can't figure something out, it's not actually a problem. Most people would probably keep on searching or use Eye of Heaven like you did. Anyway, I thought it was beautiful that they were actually hiding right next to that first room you enter in. Pretty clever!

KareemZ.

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KareemZ.: 2006-05-20 01:48:49 am

2006-05-20 01:48:09 am

Hello!

Yeah.
After searching every single room, its frustrating too see that they where right there, a cristal away from the save point. Now that i think of it its obvious too me. Notice that there is always a save point right before you fight a boss.

Oh and i got the 3 mages. Mage Slayer made this a piece of cake.

Hey btw, what is the ideal party. Atm i have Valkyrie, Mistyna, Grey and Arngrim. Grey has a pretty damn strong finish i think, Arngrim's finish is good as well. Misty has the best magic overall the other ones that i had before and Valkyrie, well you cant play without Valkyrie in your party.

Enhasa

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Enhasa: 2006-05-20 08:57:06 am

2006-05-20 02:37:16 am

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

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Notice that there is always a save point right before you fight a boss.

Actually I forgot to mention that in the last post, because that's one of those things that's beautiful in hindsight. The best place to put a boss I've seen, is you have a save point on the way in, maybe halfway or the start of a new section. Then when the player backtracks out of the dungeon, they totally don't see it coming heh. Obviously you need to design the rest of the game so this works (can't be the only time you need to backtrack out for example). In general, I'd either like mostly obvious boss points and saves right before each one, or few saves and completely surprising boss encounters. Any game that does something in between loses some respect from me.

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Oh and i got the 3 mages. Mage Slayer made this a piece of cake.

Um yeah, that too. Tongue

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Hey btw, what is the ideal party. Atm i have Valkyrie, Mistyna, Grey and Arngrim. Grey has a pretty damn strong finish i think, Arngrim's finish is good as well. Misty has the best magic overall the other ones that i had before and Valkyrie, well you cant play without Valkyrie in your party.

There really isn't an "ideal" party, but some characters are better than others. For example, sorry but Grey is pretty much considered godawful (while most people wrongfully think Llewelyn is the worst, I think Grey is the worst character in the game, with the weakest PWS btw). Mystina is good (mages are pretty much the same, but if you want to be particular, she has the 3rd best stats behind Gandar and Lyseria... I still use her because I <3 Mystina). Arngrim is decent. His PWS CT is really bad though, so I don't like him. Belenus is a bit better for a swordsman, and other fighters such as Lawfer (Josh's favorite guy maybe) are better.

Basically who you want to use comes down to what kind of meta-strategy you want. Most people use at least 1 fighter, 1 archer (can be Lenneth), 1 mage, but I am actually a fan of 3 mages (like Mystina, Lyseria, Gandar) with Mental Reaction. Another idea is to make a party with all low PWS CT's, and use Fairy Ring. Something I did on my Easy play was to use 4 female characters, and give them all Earring of Healing. If you like the setup you currently have, I would swap Lawfer for Grey and Belenus for Arngrim if you want the "best" main game characters. Someone like Lawfer becomes not so good post game because there aren't any good spears, but then you can get Freya and Brahms if you want anyway.

I dunno what else you've played by tri-Ace, but one reason I love them so much is because you can do higher metalevel stuff like what I was saying, which you can't with most all other games. Like in SO3, I did a 4D where I focused entirely on attack decision and added effects that happen per hit, ignoring the normally used Berserk. And in Radiata Stories, I'm doing postgame with 3 goblins (everyone says they suck... maybe they don't know about Goblin Song?). Another idea I had was to abuse the Stop command with an entire team that has bind resistance. Stuff like that.

[quote]Notice that there is always a save point right before you fight a boss.[/quote]
Actually I forgot to mention that in the last post, because that's one of those things that's beautiful in hindsight. The best place to put a boss I've seen, is you have a save point on the way in, maybe halfway or the start of a new section. Then when the player backtracks out of the dungeon, they totally don't see it coming heh. Obviously you need to design the rest of the game so this works (can't be the only time you need to backtrack out for example). In general, I'd either like mostly obvious boss points and saves right before each one, or few saves and completely surprising boss encounters. Any game that does something in between loses some respect from me.

[quote]Oh and i got the 3 mages. Mage Slayer made this a piece of cake.[/quote]
Um yeah, that too. :P

[quote]Hey btw, what is the ideal party. Atm i have Valkyrie, Mistyna, Grey and Arngrim. Grey has a pretty damn strong finish i think, Arngrim's finish is good as well. Misty has the best magic overall the other ones that i had before and Valkyrie, well you cant play without Valkyrie in your party.[/quote]
There really isn't an "ideal" party, but some characters are better than others. For example, sorry but Grey is pretty much considered godawful (while most people wrongfully think Llewelyn is the worst, I think Grey is the worst character in the game, with the [i]weakest[/i] PWS btw). Mystina is good (mages are pretty much the same, but if you want to be particular, she has the 3rd best stats behind Gandar and Lyseria... I still use her because I <3 Mystina). Arngrim is decent. His PWS CT is really bad though, so I don't like him. Belenus is a bit better for a swordsman, and other fighters such as Lawfer (Josh's favorite guy maybe) are better.

Basically who you want to use comes down to what kind of meta-strategy you want. Most people use at least 1 fighter, 1 archer (can be Lenneth), 1 mage, but I am actually a fan of 3 mages (like Mystina, Lyseria, Gandar) with Mental Reaction. Another idea is to make a party with all low PWS CT's, and use Fairy Ring. Something I did on my Easy play was to use 4 female characters, and give them all Earring of Healing. If you like the setup you currently have, I would swap Lawfer for Grey and Belenus for Arngrim if you want the "best" main game characters. Someone like Lawfer becomes not so good post game because there aren't any good spears, but then you can get Freya and Brahms if you want anyway.

I dunno what else you've played by tri-Ace, but one reason I love them so much is because you can do higher metalevel stuff like what I was saying, which you can't with most all other games. Like in SO3, I did a 4D where I focused entirely on attack decision and added effects that happen per hit, ignoring the normally used Berserk. And in Radiata Stories, I'm doing postgame with 3 goblins (everyone says they suck... maybe they don't know about Goblin Song?). Another idea I had was to abuse the Stop command with an entire team that has bind resistance. Stuff like that.

KareemZ.

2006-05-20 05:34:19 pm

Hello!

VP is the only Tri-Ace game i own.

Belenus huh....well, i got to say that I am really surprised that some one actually use him, because i dont. I like some character PWS that actualy allows me too do another PWS with another character and so on. You know, i think i will try to make a game with all the character that i do not use and try finding new things about them.

About Lawfer, i used him since i got him until i got Grey. I thaught Grey was pretty damn good. Plus his PWS alows me too do another PWS and helps getting the Gold Aura PWS for my mage (Wand of Apocalypse WOOT!!!) and that is what we all want.

About Gandar, its the only character i never get because iam not patient enough too do his dungeon. I get to the guard that needs too be put asleep easy but i cant seem too make him stop running after me. My strategy here is too make him run after me and jump over him at the end, then make him run some more and jump again....but its not perfect; an inch of feet touches him and poof, iam gone in some place and i take damage (i still dont know how and why). This dungeon is a test of patience and i fail every time.

Whats so great about Belenus btw? I send him really early (as soon as i get him actually).

VP is the only Tri-Ace game i own.

Belenus huh....well, i got to say that I am really surprised that some one actually use him, because i dont. I like some character PWS that actualy allows me too do another PWS with another character and so on. You know, i think i will try to make a game with all the character that i do not use and try finding new things about them.

About Lawfer, i used him since i got him until i got Grey. I thaught Grey was pretty damn good. Plus his PWS alows me too do another PWS and helps getting the Gold Aura PWS for my mage (Wand of Apocalypse WOOT!!!) and that is what we all want.

About Gandar, its the only character i never get because iam not patient enough too do his dungeon. I get to the guard that needs too be put asleep easy but i cant seem too make him stop running after me. My strategy here is too make him run after me and jump over him at the end, then make him run some more and jump again....but its not perfect; an inch of feet touches him and poof, iam gone in some place and i take damage (i still dont know how and why). This dungeon is a test of patience and i fail every time.

Whats so great about Belenus btw? I send him really early (as soon as i get him actually).

Josh the Funkdoc

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Josh the Funkdoc: 2006-05-20 08:26:26 pm

2006-05-20 08:25:02 pm

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Belenus is the best fighter in Easy mode, because his PWS does the most damage of anyone's and its CT is only like 2 or 3. He also doesn't take a whole lot of time to get, and he always appears in the same chapter (unlike most other characters).

See, the strongest PWS's in the game are, in order: Freya, Lenneth (level 3 version), Lawfer, Brahms, Aelia, and Belenus. Belenus is the only one of these that's available in Easy mode...and even in an A ending run, he would be a better recruiting option than Aelia or Lawfer since his good weapons aren't nearly as far out of the way as theirs.

And I personally think Suo *might* be worse than Grey since his weapons are much weaker; remember, Grey's best weapons boost his PWS damage by 50% as well. This is certainly true in Seraphic Gate at the very least, since Demon Sword Nefarious is broken. Badrach may be down there also, but at least he gets you lotsa gems.

-Josh

Enhasa

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Enhasa: 2006-05-20 11:13:58 pm

2006-05-20 11:11:07 pm

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

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VP is the only Tri-Ace game i own.

I suggest you fix this situation. Actually from what I know, VP and God of War are the only 2 games you've played. Tongue

Most people send up Belenus like you do because he's good transfer material, if that makes you feel better. I checked and I was actually wrong about Belenus and Lawfer. You don't want to be using both in the same party or else you won't be able to full PWS chain.

About trying out different characters, the biggest thing I can't understand about RPG players is why they always seem to use the exact same characters every time. That would just bore me to death. I know people who have played through FF7 20x and always use say Cloud, Red 13, Vincent. Never used another character, even the very first time they played, so they don't know who's good and who's not, but they feel entitled to give their opinion on the matter. I'm playing Radiata Stories (with 177 PCs) and while I haven't used them all of course, I'm in heaven.

About Castle of the Dragon (Gandar's place), I never knew why people thought that was so hard until I realized most people try it more like you do. The easiest/fastest thing is just to make a crystal stack in the middle and then jump straight up whenever he comes.

Getting back to your party, if you just replace Grey with Lawfer, you will still be able to do full PWS chains without a problem (at least if you use Celestial Star or a spell like that). You could probably use the sword Nibelung Valesti even.

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And I personally think Suo *might* be worse than Grey since his weapons are much weaker; remember, Grey's best weapons boost his PWS damage by 50% as well. This is certainly true in Seraphic Gate at the very least, since Demon Sword Nefarious is broken. Badrach may be down there also, but at least he gets you lotsa gems.

Haha, Suo has one killer advantage! He has the fastest PWS in the game (you could say because it has few hits and does little damage, lol). Oh, just you wait until I use this fucker in a Seraphic Gate run! Wink

Edit: Oh yeah, sorry I wasn't on last night to allow you to vent about that Cavs loss. DEFENSIVE REBOUND WRU

[quote]VP is the only Tri-Ace game i own.[/quote]
I suggest you fix this situation. Actually from what I know, VP and God of War are the only 2 games you've played. :P

Most people send up Belenus like you do because he's good transfer material, if that makes you feel better. I checked and I was actually wrong about Belenus and Lawfer. You don't want to be using both in the same party or else you won't be able to full PWS chain.

About trying out different characters, the biggest thing I can't understand about RPG players is why they always seem to use the exact same characters every time. That would just bore me to death. I know people who have played through FF7 20x and always use say Cloud, Red 13, Vincent. Never used another character, even the very first time they played, so they don't know who's good and who's not, but they feel entitled to give their opinion on the matter. I'm playing Radiata Stories (with 177 PCs) and while I haven't used them all of course, I'm in heaven.

About Castle of the Dragon (Gandar's place), I never knew why people thought that was so hard until I realized most people try it more like you do. The easiest/fastest thing is just to make a crystal stack in the middle and then jump straight up whenever he comes.

Getting back to your party, if you just replace Grey with Lawfer, you will still be able to do full PWS chains without a problem (at least if you use Celestial Star or a spell like that). You could probably use the sword Nibelung Valesti even.

[quote]And I personally think Suo *might* be worse than Grey since his weapons are much weaker; remember, Grey's best weapons boost his PWS damage by 50% as well.  This is certainly true in Seraphic Gate at the very least, since Demon Sword Nefarious is broken.  Badrach may be down there also, but at least he gets you lotsa gems.[/quote]
Haha, Suo has one killer advantage! He has the fastest PWS in the game (you could say because it has few hits and does little damage, lol). Oh, just you wait until I use this fucker in a Seraphic Gate run! ;)

Edit: Oh yeah, sorry I wasn't on last night to allow you to vent about that Cavs loss. DEFENSIVE REBOUND WRU

KareemZ.

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KareemZ.: 2006-05-21 02:35:44 am

2006-05-21 02:31:24 am

Hello!

Haha.
Its not just because i dont post in other games that i dont play with them.
Atm here are the games that i play :
-Metal Gear Solid 3 : Subsistence (Online mode of course)
-Valkyrie Profile
-God of War

I dont play much with the ps2, which aint too great because i love playing MGS online.

Hey btw i just finished my VP hard A ending and got the last 3 characters with their weapons at SG. I forgot how Iseria Queen was a pain in the ass. She fucking killed all my characters with 1 hit left in DME....I WAS SO CLOSE but she had too blew it all up with her damn Cosmic spear.... how did Guts and Angel Curio fail at the same time.....come on now.

Lawfer PWS better than Brams'S? What the hell? How is that possible. I mean i just got Brams an hour ago and i totally pwned the shit out of every single boos in SG part 4 and Iseria Queen (the second time....i died the first). And it looks 10 times better then the one LAwfer uses.
Sorry but i dont thing your right on that one Josh.

KareemZ.

2006-05-21 02:48:50 am

Hello!

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Haha.
Its not just because i dont post in other games that i dont play with them.
Atm here are the games that i play :
-Metal Gear Solid 3 : Subsistence (Online mode of course)
-Valkyrie Profile
-God of War

I dont play much with the ps2, which aint too great because i love playing MGS online.

Hey btw i just finished my VP hard A ending and got the last 3 characters with their weapons at SG. I forgot how Iseria Queen was a pain in the ass. She fucking killed all my characters with 1 hit left in DME....I WAS SO CLOSE but she had too blew it all up with her damn Cosmic spear.... how did Guts and Angel Curio fail at the same time.....come on now.

Lawfer PWS better than Brams'S? What the hell? How is that possible. I mean i just got Brams an hour ago and i totally pwned the shit out of every single boos in SG part 4 and Iseria Queen (the second time....i died the first). And it looks 10 times better then the one LAwfer uses.
Sorry but i dont thing your right on that one Josh.

And about getting alot of gems, using Lucian, Brahms, LEnneth (with bow) and any mage. Set Lenneth's first attack too the arrow that blows on the ground and sends the enemy flying. Also set Lucian"s first attack as the bolt that hits 14 times. Brahms one should be default. Lucian and Lenneth should attack at the same time : the arrow will send the enemy fly and the bolt will hit just before the enemy falls on the groud : this should releas 14 cristals. As soon as Lucian finishes his bolt, attack with him again, then attack with brahms, then Valkyrie, then Lucian's last attack, Brahms's second and then third, then Valkyrie's last and at the same time you do Valkyrie's last, cast something like Shadow servant of Mystic Cross. Works well on everything.
(sorry about all the "Then"s.)

[quote]Haha.
Its not just because i dont post in other games that i dont play with them.
Atm here are the games that i play :
-Metal Gear Solid 3 : Subsistence (Online mode of course)
-Valkyrie Profile
-God of War

I dont play much with the ps2, which aint too great because i love playing MGS online.

Hey btw i just finished my VP hard A ending and got the last 3 characters with their weapons at SG. I forgot how Iseria Queen was a pain in the ass. She fucking killed all my characters with 1 hit left in DME....I WAS SO CLOSE but she had too blew it all up with her damn Cosmic spear.... how did Guts and Angel Curio fail at the same time.....come on now.

Lawfer PWS better than Brams'S? What the hell? How is that possible. I mean i just got Brams an hour ago and i totally pwned the shit out of every single boos in SG part 4 and Iseria Queen (the second time....i died the first). And it looks 10 times better then the one LAwfer uses.
Sorry but i dont thing your right on that one Josh.

And about getting alot of gems, using Lucian, Brahms, LEnneth (with bow) and any mage. Set Lenneth's first attack too the arrow that blows on the ground and sends the enemy flying. Also set Lucian"s first attack as the bolt that hits 14 times. Brahms one should be default. Lucian and Lenneth should attack at the same time : the arrow will send the enemy fly and the bolt will hit just before the enemy falls on the groud : this should releas 14 cristals. As soon as Lucian finishes his bolt, attack with him again, then attack with brahms, then Valkyrie, then Lucian's last attack, Brahms's second and then third, then Valkyrie's last and at the same time you do Valkyrie's last, cast something like Shadow servant of Mystic Cross. Works well on everything.
(sorry about all the "Then"s.)
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KareemZ.

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KareemZ.: 2006-05-21 02:50:00 am

2006-05-21 02:49:30 am

Hello!

^WTF!!!!
O well read the quote i guess.....
I wrote the rest in last paragraph.

Josh the Funkdoc

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Josh the Funkdoc: 2006-05-22 12:25:24 am

2006-05-22 12:21:42 am

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If Lawfer and Brahms' weapons are similar in attack power, Lawfer will deal more damage. Completely true.

It's just that Brahms' best weapon is stronger than any spear, so he ends up being better.

In the normal game, though, if you get the Crimson Edge (Creation Jewel + Broken Spear) and then the Dinosaur, you'll see that Lawfer is leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else. It's just that these things are too far out of the way to be of use in a speedrun.

If you look up Captain K's giant FAQ for this game, you'll see that he has a listing of the damage of all PWS's. Basically, somebody gamesharked everyone to have the exact same (insanely high) attack power and max attack trust, and compared all their PWS's.

There's also another list in there that looks at all physical and magic PWS's in terms of how much they do compared to a normal attack (one hit with a weapon or spell). You'll see that Lenneth's bow PWS's all have higher multipliers than the sword versions...but then, swords are much stronger than bows so they're probably still better for her.

FWIW, my strategy for B ending gives Lenneth the Last Avenger bow. She needs it in order to get the Vanir to drop Might Reinforce, and the gems it gets you against Surt are important as well.

If only I could figure out how to record this shiet...need to get more cables and stuff sometime soon here.

And Cavs = sad faces. Still better than I ever expected them to do though.

-Josh

If Lawfer and Brahms' weapons are similar in attack power, Lawfer will deal more damage.  Completely true.

It's just that Brahms' best weapon is stronger than any spear, so he ends up being better.

In the normal game, though, if you get the Crimson Edge (Creation Jewel + Broken Spear) and then the Dinosaur, you'll see that Lawfer is leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else.  It's just that these things are too far out of the way to be of use in a speedrun.

If you look up Captain K's giant FAQ for this game, you'll see that he has a listing of the damage of all PWS's.  Basically, somebody gamesharked everyone to have the exact same (insanely high) attack power and max attack trust, and compared all their PWS's.

There's also another list in there that looks at all physical and magic PWS's in terms of how much they do compared to a normal attack (one hit with a weapon or spell).  You'll see that Lenneth's bow PWS's all have higher multipliers than the sword versions...but then, swords are much stronger than bows so they're probably still better for her.

FWIW, my strategy for B ending gives Lenneth the Last Avenger bow.  She needs it in order to get the Vanir to drop Might Reinforce, and the gems it gets you against Surt are important as well.

If only I could figure out how to record this shiet...need to get more cables and stuff sometime soon here.

And Cavs = sad faces.  Still better than I ever expected them to do though.

-Josh

KareemZ.

2006-05-22 06:17:34 am

Hello!

Creation Jewel? Where is that? Huh?

Josh the Funkdoc

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Josh the Funkdoc: 2006-05-22 08:48:22 am

2006-05-22 08:46:17 am

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You need to pick up the Creation Gem in Lezard's tower, equip it, and transmute an Orihalcon. You can either buy one for a crazy amount of MP, or transmute an artifact (from the Hel Servants battle, I think?) to get it.

The Creation Jewel allows you to make lots of strong weapons/accessories/etc. I already mentioned the Crimson Edge...there are also a couple swords that are way overpowered for that point in the game; the Icicle Sword is made from the Book of Everlasting Life, and the Glare Sword comes from transmuting a Broken Blade (Captain K's FAQ says Broken Armor...I dunno, it's one of those two).

Oh yeah, in one of your earlier posts I saw you mention how you want to have a mage use Great Magic for your last PWS...actually, with Might Reinforce and good weapons, lots of fighters' PWS's become even stronger than Celestial Star with the Wand of Apocalypse!

-Josh

KareemZ.

2006-05-23 12:34:12 am

Hello!

Hmmm... I just faught an invinvible enemy in the Seraphic gate. There were 4 of them. So little that you cannot lay a hit on them ... I dont remember how they called it but i have my on words for them : Lil rats.

I was surprised at first because i thaught i was about too fight Loki. Same thing hapenned with the Evil Eyes : i Giant Lord popped out with 2 Vanirs. The dude was invincible. I beat him down too 3/4 of his DME but he healed so i quit.

How too beat those things is still a mystery. I think ill try Sap Guard on the Giant Lord since his RDM is godly. I dunno about the lil rats tho, ill use mages since they are the only ones that can hit them.

AnotherGamer

2006-05-24 12:26:07 pm

Ah, good old Hamsters. The main difficulty with them stems from the fact that they're ridiculously hard to hit. They give hardly any exp, but they drop Dainsleifs, the second-best one-handed sword, which might as well be the best since it doesn't suffer from Angel Slayer's utterly retarded hit trust of 1. If you can be arsed to beat the goddamned dungeon 10 times, they should at least give you a GOOD weapon to rape the shit out of all enemies with and not have it do full damage with only 1/10 chance. Oh well, at least Jun's pretty decent with it, due to Senkou-Jin's high hitcount.

KareemZ.

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KareemZ.: 2006-05-25 01:04:55 am

2006-05-25 01:02:38 am

Hello!

Yo.
I sarted a new game today and i discovered something. There is a Cave of Oblivion that spawns in the 3rd chapter that really got my attention and that i find very useful.
(I know what too expect when i go to a CoO so i always save before i enter one just in case i miss something)
The Cave appeared right before Jun's recruitment. The start point in the Cave was at the right end of the screen. In the next room, there as a pit, and at the other side was the entrence too two powerfull monsters : a teal coloured dragon zombie and a hyper Harpy (kind of a 20 times deadlyer harpy that you found in Salerno Academy). After taking some time too beat them (and winning 3 lvls Smiley

) i jumped in the pit and sticked too the left. I entered the room and found nothing, then i saw that there was a next chamber too the left, went into it and found a godly version of a Dragon Tooth Warrior (like the ones in Lezard's Tower).
Did you know that this monster drops Fine Halberds? The weapon has 1% of breaking, 62 hit trust and a 1000 in attack. Pretty damn godly for a beggining dont you thing.

Anyway let me give you the strategy on how too beat those 3 beasts including the 4 upgraded Vermins that give godly experience. Before you enter the cave make sure you save :P. Also make sure that you have 2 Tomes of Alchemy, a Raven Slayer and Dragon slayer.
How too kill the dragon zombie : Use Tome
How too kill Harpy : Use Raven Slayer
How too get alot of XP : Use Tome on the 4 Vermins
How too kill the Dragon Tooth warrior (he hits for 7k) : Make sure you get him too drop a treasure box and then kill him with the Dragon Slayer.

If you did not get the Raven Slayer, here is an alternate strategy :
Transmute a Beast Fang (you will probably have many after killing those plant monsters in Salerno Academy) into Holy cristal.
Also make sure you have the first strike. Use Holy cristal with the mage you will use (probably Jelanda) on the Harpy so that she does damage without wasting those Ct and attack with the rest of your group (i use Belenus and Lawfer) but dont use PWS. The Harpies always use Reflect Sorcery on their first turn so she will cast that. No worries....we all know that knocking the Harpy down will make the spell useless so do so. Use Jelanda's Calamity Blast (Harpy vulnerable too fire) then Valkyrie's PWS and then Lawfer's PWS because it does more than 3k damage at this point in the game which is better than Belenus's PWS. This should kill the Harpy. Job done.

I find this pretty damn awesome for a speed run. It took less then 4 minutes too get 5 lvls (yes 5) thus maxing out Attack POW and MAgic POW for all my characters as well as Survival and Fight skills. And you also get a godly weapon that has only 1% chance of breaking for Lawfer that hits for more than 1000 damage :o.

Yo.
I sarted a new game today and i discovered something. There is a Cave of Oblivion that spawns in the 3rd chapter that really got my attention and that i find very useful.
(I know what too expect when i go to a CoO so i always save before i enter one just in case i miss something)
The Cave appeared right before Jun's recruitment. The start point in the Cave was at the right end of the screen. In the next room, there as a pit, and at the other side was the entrence too two powerfull monsters : a teal coloured dragon zombie and a hyper Harpy (kind of a 20 times deadlyer harpy that you found in Salerno Academy). After taking some time too beat them (and winning 3 lvls :) ) i jumped in the pit and sticked too the left. I entered the room and found nothing, then i saw that there was a next chamber too the left, went into it and found a godly version of a Dragon Tooth Warrior (like the ones in Lezard's Tower).
Did you know that this monster drops Fine Halberds? The weapon has 1% of breaking, 62 hit trust and a 1000 in attack. Pretty damn godly for a beggining dont you thing.

Anyway let me give you the strategy on how too beat those 3 beasts including the 4 upgraded Vermins that give godly experience. Before you enter the cave make sure you save :P. Also make sure that you have  2 Tomes of Alchemy, a Raven Slayer and Dragon slayer.
How too kill the dragon zombie : Use Tome
How too kill Harpy : Use Raven Slayer
How too get alot of XP : Use Tome on the 4 Vermins
How too kill the Dragon Tooth warrior (he hits for 7k) : Make sure you get him too drop a treasure box and then kill him with the Dragon Slayer.

If you did not get the Raven Slayer, here is an alternate strategy :
Transmute a Beast Fang (you will probably have many after killing those plant monsters in Salerno Academy) into Holy cristal.
Also make sure you have the first strike. Use Holy cristal with the mage you will use (probably Jelanda) on the Harpy so that she does damage without wasting those Ct and attack with the rest of your group (i use Belenus and Lawfer) but dont use PWS. The Harpies always use Reflect Sorcery on their first turn so she will cast that. No worries....we all know that knocking the Harpy down will make the spell useless so do so. Use Jelanda's Calamity Blast (Harpy vulnerable too fire) then Valkyrie's PWS and then Lawfer's PWS because it does more than 3k damage at this point in the game which is better than Belenus's PWS. This should kill the Harpy. Job done.

I find this pretty damn awesome for a speed run. It took less then 4 minutes too get 5 lvls (yes 5) thus maxing out Attack POW and MAgic POW for all my characters as well as Survival and Fight skills. And you also get a godly weapon that has only 1% chance of breaking for Lawfer that hits for more than 1000 damage  :o.

KareemZ.

2006-05-26 02:44:26 am

Hello!

Ya....silly joke but i guess its fine since i save alot. Guess what hapenned? First hit with the 1% chance of breaking 1000 attack Halberd and it broke. Belive me i was pretty damn suprised how my luck has shifted. So i reload and i redo the thing and save. I get too the next dungeon and poof, it brakes again. Is this crap fixed or is it just my imagination?

KareemZ.

2006-05-26 04:16:42 pm

Hello!

^Forget what ive just said, its not. Reloaded the game again and it didnt brake ;D.

Enhasa

2006-06-07 09:05:51 am

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

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Hey btw i just finished my VP hard A ending and got the last 3 characters with their weapons at SG. I forgot how Iseria Queen was a pain in the ass. She fucking killed all my characters with 1 hit left in DME....I WAS SO CLOSE but she had too blew it all up with her damn Cosmic spear.... how did Guts and Angel Curio fail at the same time.....come on now.

BTW, the best way to prevent wiping from Cosmic Spear is to give someone Sylphan Robe. People who complain about Guts/Auto Item failing just couldn't figure out the actual way to do this.

Lucian by himself is pretty much "lots of gems."

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If only I could figure out how to record this shiet...need to get more cables and stuff sometime soon here.

The lack of a VP run yet saddens my life. If you're going to be the "TSA of tri-Ace," you better hurry. Tongue

He is most known for being prolific after all. There's still SO2-3 to do, as well as RS when you get around to playing it, even before VPS comes out. I usually tell people to take their time, but I'm really impatient here. Chop chop!

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You can either buy one for a crazy amount of MP, or transmute an artifact (from the Hel Servants battle, I think?) to get it.

To add to this, Manual of Resurrection from Dark Tower of Xervah (the Hel Servants battle) is what you do on Hard. On Easy you can't get it, and on Normal you transmute the Fairy Bottle from the Black Dream Tower.

IIRC, Cave of Oblivions are randomized? What you're saying could potentially be useful on an A run if they're not, and if leveling is needed for Tower of Lezard (which I really don't think it will be... the leveling might come from necessary fights in Tower of Lezard themselves anyway). It would be bad to depend on a drop in a SS run, but I don't think the Fine Halberd matters in a run since you won't be getting Lawfer.

B run, I highly doubt there's any possible use for COO.

[quote]Hey btw i just finished my VP hard A ending and got the last 3 characters with their weapons at SG. I forgot how Iseria Queen was a pain in the ass. She fucking killed all my characters with 1 hit left in DME....I WAS SO CLOSE but she had too blew it all up with her damn Cosmic spear.... how did Guts and Angel Curio fail at the same time.....come on now.[/quote]
BTW, the best way to prevent wiping from Cosmic Spear is to give someone Sylphan Robe. People who complain about Guts/Auto Item failing just couldn't figure out the actual way to do this.

Lucian by himself is pretty much "lots of gems."

[quote]If only I could figure out how to record this shiet...need to get more cables and stuff sometime soon here.[/quote]
The lack of a VP run yet saddens my life. If you're going to be the "TSA of tri-Ace," you better hurry. :P He is most known for being prolific after all. There's still SO2-3 to do, as well as RS when you get around to playing it, even before VPS comes out. I usually tell people to take their time, but I'm really impatient here. Chop chop!

[quote]You can either buy one for a crazy amount of MP, or transmute an artifact (from the Hel Servants battle, I think?) to get it.[/quote]
To add to this, Manual of Resurrection from Dark Tower of Xervah (the Hel Servants battle) is what you do on Hard. On Easy you can't get it, and on Normal you transmute the Fairy Bottle from the Black Dream Tower.

IIRC, Cave of Oblivions are randomized? What you're saying could potentially be useful on an A run if they're not, and if leveling is needed for Tower of Lezard (which I really don't think it will be... the leveling might come from necessary fights in Tower of Lezard themselves anyway). It would be bad to depend on a drop in a SS run, but I don't think the Fine Halberd matters in a run since you won't be getting Lawfer.

B run, I highly doubt there's any possible use for COO.

KareemZ.

2006-06-08 01:48:21 pm

Hello!

I belive i saw somewhere that the COO on Hard are fixed, meaning they wont change?

Yea i guess that is a A only strategy, you dont need too beat Lezard for a B ending so it makes it useless.

IMO the Fine Halberd is a great asset in the beginning, but yea if your not going too use Lawfer (i dont know why you wouldnt), i suggest you just kill the dragon for the XP he will give too you.

Enhasa

2006-06-09 07:26:27 am

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

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IMO the Fine Halberd is a great asset in the beginning, but yea if your not going too use Lawfer (i dont know why you wouldnt), i suggest you just kill the dragon for the XP he will give too you.

Well the main reason I don't think COO is worth it is because I don't think you should be fighting any unnecessary fights at all in the A run. Even if it only takes a minute or two, it won't save nearly that much later. Besides, compared to most RPGs, in tri-Ace games usually the equipment/skills/strategy matters more than the levels anyway.

Oh and getting Lawfer is definitely not worth it because it takes time to recruit him. On an A run, you are required to get Lenneth, Arngrim, Jelanda, Lucian, Lorenta, Mystina. This means you can transfer Jelanda and Lucian and still have a full party. So picking up anyone else is a big waste of time.

KareemZ.

2006-06-11 08:34:55 pm

Hello!

Your damn right Shocked

I completly forgot that you dont have too get every character. Its a speed run :-/.

Enhasa

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Enhasa: 2006-06-14 07:04:02 am

2006-06-14 07:03:42 am

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

Yeah, that's ok.

You know, I know it's a long read, but if you go back and read through this thread, you'd find the answers to any questions you might have about the A and B runs. Pages 6-7 is where the most recent stuff was worked out. Since Josh has actually done test runs before of the B run, we can say that the time will be just a couple minutes over an hour. A run hasn't had any formal attempts yet AFAIK.

Actually, it might not be that bad an idea for Josh to post all the current planning again, because it's been so long that it might be useful. I think I've already forgotten a good bit of it myself.

KareemZ.

2006-06-15 08:42:00 pm

Hello!

Of all the things i want to know about this run is how many dungeons are too be skipped, and which ones? Iam pretty sure that you must visit them too get certain items and level up, and i am pretty sure that only about 4 flame jewels are reguired too get the best of SG (i think...)
And since you dont show any interest in COO (which i find weird), i think none of the dungeons are too be skipped exept maybe the Clock Tower, Lost City of Dipan, The swamp....basicaly the ones with low Xp gain and low Event Xp gained.