Sonic Adventure 2 Hero/Dark Story

Shadow Jacky

2007-07-26 03:38:08 am

fucking .gif....

O_O

I mean those times are extremely good for a SS run. You taped this right? This has to be put on the site ASAP.

mike89_

2007-07-28 01:32:47 pm

Without wanting to be the party pooper, how many of the new strats are legal under SDA rules?

I, of course, am suitably impressed, and would want to see it regardless, but let's not have another situation where a run is thrown out on a technicality.

stanski

2007-07-28 09:57:38 pm

wise fwom yo gwave

As long as their is a new game run on the site (there will be probably with the dark story run), X9 can submit new game+ run. Can't wait to see it!

Roger Riney

2007-07-30 05:15:27 am

erm.. if you mean crazy gadget that would either be classified as "death abuse" or "going through walls" and fman died on his run alot and stanski wallhack'd a couple walls in his run so its gotta be allowable. crazy gadget you dont actually die anyway unless you suck and miss the point.

so it should be fine, as far as i know. (but what do i know) if not then he must do his run over again rite

Roger Riney

2007-07-30 05:16:32 am

erm.. if you mean crazy gadget that would either be classified as "death abuse" or "going through walls" and fman died on his run alot and stanski wallhack'd a couple walls in his run so its gotta be allowable. crazy gadget you dont actually die anyway unless you suck and miss the point.

so it should be fine, as far as i know. (but what do i know) if not then he must do his run over again rite

X9

2007-08-02 12:27:35 am

hai yah

lol @ yoshi how you say "I wouldn't beleive those sonic times if it weren't you" that.. made me feel as if im someone special or something.

(Well damn, when you play each level 300 times(excluding city escape which is a couple thousand) your bound to be pretty consistant with them, espcially when your used to doing them without checkpoint abuse)

but anyway, I have some sad news that makes me really mad.

you know how sometimes VCR tapes get all weird looking when you record on them alot, well mine is being stupid and it will make noise but the picture is pure black and some white lines running through it.. you can't really see the game at all hardly Sad

and it just HAD to do that for 3/4 of the run Angry

Sometimes when it does that you can rewind and it will fix it, but ive done so many times and it isn't Sad

I guess this means the run is screwed, and I have to start over. Well actually I found out the run was un-watchable about 3 days ago so I attempted to do another because you guys sounded REALLY excited about it and I didn't want to let you down.

I had a great run(1:39 CE, 1:15 Mharbor, 1:59 or so again on pyramid cave) then of all things I died on crazy gadget trying to spindash+bounceball the rail at the 25 second checkpoint. This angered me and I ended up throwing the controller and now the control stick is glitchy so I can't speedrun very well at all with it.

I won't be able to get a new one right away, but I will get one someday and i'll get you guys a run that is almost as good. I kinda doubt it'll be better, but the only "worse" spots should be on the hunting levels, which who cares about, you will probably skip watching them anyway like I did on petries run cuz they're boring, I can easily tie the tails times and give or take a few seconds on the sonic times, they will be really close though.

About technicalities, I can't see me doing anything illegal. because the super-bounceball at most is a glitch since the manual doesn't mention it, SDA allows (most) glitches so it should be fine. The crazy gadget death thingy well, if it lables the run death-abuse even though I don't die or lose a life I don't reallly care, it makes no difference what its listed as to me. I think they would allow the death glitch, cause at worst im going through one little wall, stanski does worse than that on his S2 run so I think it will be fine, but if the owner wants to prove me wrong he should do so and maybe i'll do the next run with hitting the switch and shooting the rocket, I should still get 1:55 or better.

just wanted to say it again to you guys, im SO VERY VERY SORRY that I have to dissappoint you Sad

I should of watched the tape first then i'd realize it was wasted then I would of never posted the times in the first place, but I finished the run and got all excited and as youd expect the first thing I did was post here.

lol @ yoshi how you say "I wouldn't beleive those sonic times if it weren't you" that.. made me feel as if im someone special or something.

(Well damn, when you play each level 300 times(excluding city escape which is a couple thousand) your bound to be pretty consistant with them, espcially when your used to doing them without checkpoint abuse)

but anyway, I have some sad news that makes me really mad.

you know how sometimes VCR tapes get all weird looking when you record on them alot, well mine is being stupid and it will make noise but the picture is pure black and some white lines running through it.. you can't really see the game at all hardly :( and it just HAD to do that for 3/4 of the run  >:( Sometimes when it does that you can rewind and it will fix it, but ive done so many times and it isn't :(

I guess this means the run is screwed, and I have to start over. Well actually I found out the run was un-watchable about 3 days ago so I attempted to do another because you guys sounded REALLY excited about it and I didn't want to let you down.

I had a great run(1:39 CE, 1:15 Mharbor, 1:59 or so again on pyramid cave) then of all things I died on crazy gadget trying to spindash+bounceball the rail at the 25 second checkpoint.  This angered me and I ended up throwing the controller and now the control stick is glitchy so I can't speedrun very well at all with it.

I won't be able to get a new one right away, but I will get one someday and i'll get you guys a run that is almost as good. I kinda doubt it'll be better, but the only "worse" spots should be on the hunting levels, which who cares about, you will probably skip watching them anyway like I did on petries run cuz they're boring, I can easily tie the tails times and give or take a few seconds on the sonic times, they will be really close though.

About technicalities, I can't see me doing anything illegal. because the super-bounceball at most is a glitch since the manual doesn't mention it, SDA allows (most) glitches so it should be fine. The crazy gadget death thingy well, if it lables the run death-abuse even though I don't die or lose a life I don't reallly care, it makes no difference what its listed as to me. I think they would allow the death glitch, cause at worst im going through one little wall, stanski does worse than that on his S2 run so I think it will be fine, but if the owner wants to prove me wrong he should do so and maybe i'll do the next run with hitting the switch and shooting the rocket, I should still get 1:55 or better.

just wanted to say it again to you guys, im SO VERY VERY SORRY that I have to dissappoint you :( I should of watched the tape first then i'd realize it was wasted then I would of never posted the times in the first place, but I finished the run and got all excited and as youd expect the first thing I did was post here.

X9guesttolazytologin

2007-08-02 12:32:58 am

oh, and one last quick thing, I WILL MAKE SURE to record the new run on a new out-of-thebox tape Wink

I would record on DVD, but im very mistake-prone so i would end up wasting hours of disk space since mine won't let you re-write on them.

petrie911

2007-08-02 01:00:22 am

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i don't think any of that Crazy gadget stuff would be considered illegal, and the superbounce should be fine, too. If you want to be sure, PM mikwuyma about it.

And I'd suggest investing in a DVD recorder. It is well worth the money.

Satoryu

2007-08-02 01:09:30 am

Visually Appealing

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This angered me and I ended up throwing the controller and now the control stick is glitchy so I can't speedrun very well at all with it.

i'll never understand why people get so upset over a game, they throw the controller. especially controllers nowadays that are much more fragile than say a SNES or Genesis controller. sure there are times when i get angered while speedrunning. but the worst i do is cuss the game out. maybe i have more self control than others...

i actually watch the Rouge stages in petrie's run as there done so quick and so well. i don't skip anything while watching that video except maybe inbetween stages.

VorpalEdge

2007-09-28 03:34:55 pm

welcome to the machine

Watched the run. It was a pretty good job overall, congratulations. Smiley

I do have a few questions though.

Prison Lane: Are you certain you can't slide through more than just the one door you did and the one door you failed at getting past?

Dry Lagoon: could you check another TV after freeing the turtle but before it gets in the water (as opposed to getting trapped in the water under it for a bit when it does jump in)?

Sand Ocean: You wait a while at the various spinning platforms? Are you absolutely sure you have to? Could you jump on the raised ledges at the end of the platforms for extra height?

Route 280: Was it necessary to drift the entire time? Not only does it look bad, you missed a lot of boost opportunities. Does it increase speed?

Sky Rail: At the beginning of the stage, could the third spring you hit (the one that drops you in front of a rocket, which leads to the first checkpoint) by skipped by spindash jumping?

petrie911

2007-09-28 07:48:01 pm

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Watched the run. It was a pretty good job overall, congratulations. Smiley

I do have a few questions though.

Prison Lane: Are you certain you can't slide through more than just the one door you did and the one door you failed at getting past?

Dry Lagoon: could you check another TV after freeing the turtle but before it gets in the water (as opposed to getting trapped in the water under it for a bit when it does jump in)?

Sand Ocean: You wait a while at the various spinning platforms? Are you absolutely sure you have to? Could you jump on the raised ledges at the end of the platforms for extra height?

Route 280: Was it necessary to drift the entire time? Not only does it look bad, you missed a lot of boost opportunities. Does it increase speed?

Sky Rail: At the beginning of the stage, could the third spring you hit (the one that drops you in front of a rocket, which leads to the first checkpoint) by skipped by spindash jumping?

1) I don't think so. Also, the level is Iron Gate (Prison Lane is Tails' level).

2) I'm checking for the "Under the turtle's face" emerald (which is a 3rd position emerald). I already know where the shard is just from the first clue, and I usually try to leave the monitor next to the turtle open for later use, as it's in a very convenient location.

3) The first spinining platform you have to wait for so that the next set of moving platforms line up right. The platform positions have a weird mechanic where they seem to keep track of their positions even when they're not drawn. The third one you can't save any time on by jumping on it early, as you still have to wait for it to take you over to the other side. I suspect there may be ways to improve this level, and I'll certainly look into them if I ever attempt this run again.

4) I "miss" boost opportunities because it's faster to boost
conservatively than screw up and spin out or fall off the track. I usually use only 4 boosts in a run of that level, but I missed getting 20 rings in time for the first boost, so I was left with just 3. Powersliding speeds you up significantly, so no matter how bad it looks, it is necessary.

5) Yes, you can. But it's easy to miss, and if you do miss it, you tend to die. the ~3 seconds it saves is not worth risking a death at that point in the run.

[quote]Watched the run.  It was a pretty good job overall, congratulations. :)

I do have a few questions though.

Prison Lane: Are you certain you can't slide through more than just the one door you did and the one door you failed at getting past?

Dry Lagoon: could you check another TV after freeing the turtle but before it gets in the water (as opposed to getting trapped in the water under it for a bit when it does jump in)?

Sand Ocean: You wait a while at the various spinning platforms?  Are you absolutely sure you have to?  Could you jump on the raised ledges at the end of the platforms for extra height?

Route 280: Was it necessary to drift the entire time?  Not only does it look bad, you missed a lot of boost opportunities.  Does it increase speed?

Sky Rail: At the beginning of the stage, could the third spring you hit (the one that drops you in front of a rocket, which leads to the first checkpoint) by skipped by spindash jumping?[/quote]

1) I don't think so.  Also, the level is Iron Gate (Prison Lane is Tails' level).

2) I'm checking for the "Under the turtle's face" emerald (which is a 3rd position emerald).  I already know where the shard is just from the first clue, and I usually try to leave the monitor next to the turtle open for later use, as it's in a very convenient location.

3) The first spinining platform you have to wait for so that the next set of moving platforms line up right.  The platform positions have a weird mechanic where they seem to keep track of their positions even when they're not drawn.  The third one you can't save any time on by jumping on it early, as you still have to wait for it to take you over to the other side.  I suspect there may be ways to improve this level, and I'll certainly look into them if I ever attempt this run again.

4) I "miss" boost opportunities because it's faster to boost
conservatively than screw up and spin out or fall off the track.  I usually use only 4 boosts in a run of that level, but I missed getting 20 rings in time for the first boost, so I was left with just 3.  Powersliding speeds you up significantly, so no matter how bad it looks, it is necessary.

5) Yes, you can.  But it's easy to miss, and if you do miss it, you tend to die.  the ~3 seconds it saves is not worth risking a death at that point in the run.

Yoshi348

2007-09-28 11:52:41 pm

dinosaur from the past

Why'd you pick up the health upgrade for Eggman? Did it save you from death in a lot more attempts against Tails 2, or is it more of a security blanket safety move at this late point of the run?

petrie911

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petrie911: 2007-09-29 02:41:46 am

2007-09-29 02:41:05 am

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security blanket. But it did save me in past runs, as I ended many a fight with a sliver of HP.

VorpalEdge

2007-09-29 04:16:48 am

welcome to the machine

Thanks for answering my questions.

yoshifan

2007-09-29 07:31:02 pm

Great to see that the run is up! I think the most impressive part of it all is your success against the bosses. I know just how difficult that is from a few practice runs of my own. But as always, your consistency with various timesavers in the stages is very impressive.

Also, a couple of clarifications about those questions:

Sliding in Route 280 basically lets you maintain your modified speed from slopes and boosts. If you're not sliding, then your speed will slowly go back to a normal level after a boost or slope. It turns out that the gained speed from downhill sections and boosts greatly outweighs the reduced speed from uphill sections (especially if you use your boosts after uphill sections), so sliding saves a lot of time.

For Sky Rail, I think petrie only lost about a second by taking that third spring. Once a rocket comes on-screen, it needs a few seconds to prepare before you can use it - kind of like that missile near the end of Lost Colony.

Maxml

2007-09-30 10:13:01 am

I just went on SDA and saw a run has been posted. Great !
I'm downloading it right now and probably see it this evening.
Wonder when we will be able to have a Hero Side run and above all, a "Last" mode run (which will be probably the easiest (and the shorter).

Keep on working pleaseeee ^^ !

illuminated

2007-09-30 05:17:38 pm

Nice. I think that's the fastest I've ever seen Mad Space be done.

tjp7154

2007-09-30 06:43:15 pm

#Casual

Awesome run, especially as a single-segment.

Bottles

2007-09-30 07:18:10 pm

Congrats on your run petrie.It was a sweet run. Smiley

petrie911

2007-10-01 01:24:31 am

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Thanks for all the praise. I might do the Hero or Last Story after my MM run. Also been looking at a SA Knuckles run, though mostly for completion...

Also

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Nice. I think that's the fastest I've ever seen Mad Space be done.

See this

yoshifan

2007-10-04 05:48:04 am

I think I'll mention that I'm practicing for a Hero story run now. I guess the updating of the Dark story run motivated me somehow. Wink

I've done some speedrun-specific practice for the bosses, and the stages up to Pyramid Cave. Single-segment strategies don't stray too far from regular time attacks (which I'm used to), so practice has gone fairly smoothly so far. I'm actually doing better than I expected at bosses; I was quite worried about that at first.

Also, I'm not as good as some other players when it comes to time attacking Sonic's levels, but I'll do my best. I hope I can make up the difference with some of Tails' and Knuckles' levels. In particular, I want to get pretty good Knuckles stage times without relying too much on luck, so I'm going to try and learn a lot of the hints.

AngerFist

2007-10-04 04:30:26 pm

Angered Me, You have!

I just wanted to show my support, wish you truly the best with your run. It feels so good to hear someone really good at this game finally decides to eventually speedrun it! I know you wont let us sonic fans down Wink

8)

petrie911

2007-10-05 01:31:33 am

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Awesome, yoshifan. Can't wait to see the run.

Also, I can't remember, but did we ever get a ruling on how the Last Story (read: Cannon's Core) would be timed? I definitely remember the subject coming up, but I don't remember ever getting a ruling on it from mikwuyma.

yoshmaster5

2007-10-05 01:40:42 am

Also tenkiforecast

brilliant run, and I look forward to seeing yoshifan's run as well. ^__^

As for Cannon's Core...

my guess would be possibly two different timing rules: Real-time, and game-time. As for the two boss battles, that's no problem though.

Shadow Jacky

2007-10-06 07:53:12 am

fucking .gif....

just happy...