Sonic 3 and Knuckles!

2006-04-17 04:14:09 am

SEGA Junkie

I have only one thing to say.

"Damn, not here!"

I went into town today, got my haircut, and went down to the two video stores there. Neither of them had SMC, and they didn't even stock any Cube games, so the renting option is out the window.

That means I'll have to buy it... and nobody better to buy it off than somebody from here. Who's willing to sell (and lives in the PAL region)?

deutsch_joe

2006-04-17 04:47:44 pm

............... .......

Can you do Ebay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sonic-Mega-Collection-Gamecube-Game-NEW-SEALED_W0QQitemZ8275599966QQcategoryZ20390QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sonic-Mega-Collection-Gamecube-Game-NEW-SEALED_W0QQitemZ8277744666QQcategoryZ20390QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Those are the only two that I found in Australia. There are more in Europe, but I'm sure the shipping costs would be pretty high.

deutsch_joe

2006-04-19 05:39:01 am

............... .......

I have an idea.

Check you PM inbox, Mike.

mike89

2006-04-24 01:48:56 pm

SEGA Junkie

There remains one chance for the runs to be done these holidays.

I'm meeting up with "the gang" on Friday to basically kick back and play games all day. If one of them has SMC, I'll get them to bring it. I've sent the email out, and I should know tomorrow if I'll get it Friday.

For now, I'll try and record a no-deaths Vectorman 2, which seems far easier said than done at the moment.

mike89

2006-07-28 12:30:07 pm

SEGA Junkie

TIME FOR A REVIVAL!

While I am still unable to record for the purposes of SDA, I am able to tease you even further by giving you an idea of what to expect (really, this time):

This run's with Sonic, so it should be compared to the run earlier in the topic somewhere which was also with Sonic:

AI1: 59
AI2: 1:44 (lost my water shield, lawl)
HC1: 1:15 (missed a key platform twice by not concentrating, but the boss made up for it)
HC2: 2:06
MG1: 1:35
MG2: 2:46
CN1: 55
CN2: 2:57
IC1: 2:19
IC2: 1:14
LB1: 2:57
LB2: 2:22
MH1: 1:17
MH2: 1:36
FB1: 2:48 (including my only death, costing 23 seconds)
FB2: 3:48
SO1: 3:23
SO2: 3:48 (what is it with me and this boss fight??)
LR1: 2:50
LR2: 4:03
HP: 34
SS: 1:21
DE1: 2:28
DE2: 4:19
TOTAL: 53:18

I feel really bad about keeping you guys thinking I'd do something pretty much all year... but I'm sending you a teaser in Banjo-Tooie and Vectorman 2. But just remember, when you're watching those... you ain't seen nothing yet.

MatrixTN

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MatrixTN: 2006-07-28 07:02:43 pm

2006-07-28 04:10:12 pm

You got a deletion wish?

Is this Sonic w/Tails or Sonic alone? Lose the death and you should be in buisness.

nate

2006-07-28 08:27:05 pm

glad to hear it. seriously, few things will make me gladder than seeing this run come in.

MatrixTN

2006-07-28 08:34:34 pm

You got a deletion wish?

That goes double for my improved DE on 2, it's on my Bouncer runs tape (somebody freaking volunteer to verify!)

Chrischi

2006-08-04 04:29:38 pm

Heavy/Death-MeT aL 4 ever - With Full Force

hehe i bought this game for some months... im a old sonic fan. started with sega master system Cheesy

and played all sonic parts about 10-14 years ago with an age of 7-10 and had a lot of fun withim. Cheesy

i played at my aunts home... pwning all the tiem my little cousine. i never played against the time.. but i can install it now and i see what i can do... Cheesy

so you got your rivival Cheesy

as i wrote in other forum path.. i gotmuch time atm

so i tryed tbh ^^

MatrixTN

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MatrixTN: 2006-08-04 05:12:10 pm

2006-08-04 05:12:00 pm

You got a deletion wish?

You lost me at "install it now", which version do you have? I have SMC for PS2, but don't have S3&K unlocked yet.

Chrischi

2006-08-04 06:25:09 pm

Heavy/Death-MeT aL 4 ever - With Full Force

i got Sonic Mega Collection plus for PC... it contains Sonic 1-3 for Sega Mega Drive, Sonic and Knuckels and some old Sonic games from the old game gear.. and then there are some game i have to unlock. Cheesy

well i have done some Sonic 3 Time Attack

here are my times for "endless cave"

fastest lap = 8,96 secs
fastest time = 45,50 secs Cheesy

i dno how to capture it. if someone can help me. i can try to capture and upload it. so we can start a little contest Cheesy

MatrixTN

2006-08-04 08:17:54 pm

You got a deletion wish?

Read the FAQ page here.

trihex

2006-08-04 09:10:39 pm

Yoshi's eggs are at my mercy!

I was going to start posting in here about my interest in doing a 100% SS of S3&K, but I didn't know about Mike89 doing a min% SS.

Point is, my current state, I am in no condition to speedrun the game. There are a few TAS things I could wow with, like getting into the Knuckles-only boss for Marble Garden Act 2, but my game is still unpolished.

Plus I need to reanalyze the TAS to see what I can match with as Super and Hyper Sonic.

But since Gex 2 has caught my interest more than this at the moment, I think it's better I wait to see Mike89's run first, then come back to try this again. Wink

Lookin' forward to it Mike!

dragonchi

2006-08-06 07:19:23 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

this question is purely out of curiosity, but, i just saw a speed run of sonic 3 and sonic and knuckles. and a part that i remember seeing a long time ago wasnt there. which sonic is it where you battle metal sonic when he uses the chaos emerald to power himself up?

nate

2006-08-07 12:38:04 am

final boss playing as knuckles.

echo314

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echo314: 2006-09-04 03:10:53 am

2006-09-04 03:10:17 am

I talked with TG a long time ago about doing this run; after awhile I got tired of playing this game. After reading this thread I think I am going to take on your soon to be record.

nate

2006-09-04 03:31:58 am

do it.

pojr

2010-04-03 03:45:56 pm

Can I ask you all something? What's the difference between the PAL version, and the US version of Sonic 3 and Knuckles?

I'm looking at the game cartridge I have, and I feel that I'm pretty good at the game; maybe not the best, but I was going through the game seeing if I could attempt at a speedrun with Knuckles. However, I noticed that on the page with the current speedrun, the times on there are way faster. Now of course that usually means that I suck. As a result, I took my Angle Island personal record, and noticed that it's 6 seconds slower than the other time! So I compared the two, and I don't really notice too many differences.

Overall, half of my times are way slower than the speedrun itself. The only levels that are faster are the ones with glitches (Marble Garden Act 2, Hydrocity Act 2, Flying Battery Act 1). Fill me in, are the two versions different, or so I massively suck at this game?

bmn

2010-04-03 05:04:22 pm

As I understand the 16-bit Sonic games, they're ~1/6 slower in real time on PAL than NTSC, but the timers are also slowed by the same amount* so the in-game times would be identical.

* 1 in-game second: NTSC = 1.001 seconds, PAL = 1.2 seconds.

mike89

2010-06-04 06:41:41 am

SEGA Junkie

I've recently started streaming practice runs of this game, they'll all be on emulator because my setup won't permit me to do anything else right now. For now, here's Sonic 3 with Knuckles in 36:00!

When comparing this run to the existing 36:55 on SDA, please note that:
1) this run is in 60Hz mode,
2) this run dies a couple of times - one is intentional (Hydrocity 2, it's necessary to reset the level boundaries), and two, I think, are not
3) this run contains some new tricks that weren't permitted under SDA rules at the time of my last run.

Also if you look back at my first recorded run you'll see a neat little trick in Launch Base 2... Knuckles can sneak up into Sonic's path and fight his boss (the cannon boss) which, when you beat it, stops the timer. But since Knuckles isn't meant to go across to the platform where the other two bosses are, there is no trigger for the timer to restart! Breakdown told me he'd probably time that section manually but that ultimately it was up to Mike, I don't particularly care either way, I like the trick but I'll gladly cut it because a) bouncing off the enemy is a one-shot deal and b) killing Sonic's boss requires a very precise trick that makes the time wildly variable.

I'm also going to finally do a Tails run, that will include a neat little trick on Carnival Night 1, a different Hydrocity 2 method (which has to do with the fact that the boss areas are in different places), and of course, the leap of faith!

I've recently started streaming practice runs of this game, they'll all be on emulator because my setup won't permit me to do anything else right now. For now, here's [url=http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/7426380]Sonic 3 with Knuckles in 36:00[/url]!

When comparing this run to the existing 36:55 on SDA, please note that:
1) this run is in 60Hz mode,
2) this run dies a couple of times - one is intentional (Hydrocity 2, it's necessary to reset the level boundaries), and two, I think, are not
3) this run contains some new tricks that weren't permitted under SDA rules at the time of my last run.

Also if you look back at my first recorded run you'll see a neat little trick in Launch Base 2... Knuckles can sneak up into Sonic's path and fight his boss (the cannon boss) which, when you beat it, stops the timer. But since Knuckles isn't meant to go across to the platform where the other two bosses are, there is no trigger for the timer to restart! Breakdown told me he'd probably time that section manually but that ultimately it was up to Mike, I don't particularly care either way, I like the trick but I'll gladly cut it because a) bouncing off the enemy is a one-shot deal and b) killing Sonic's boss requires a very precise trick that makes the time wildly variable.

I'm also going to finally do a Tails run, that will include a neat little trick on Carnival Night 1, a different Hydrocity 2 method (which has to do with the fact that the boss areas are in different places), and of course, the leap of faith!

InsipidMuckyWater

2010-06-04 07:50:21 am

Visit my profile to see my runs!

Awesomegasm.

You rock Mike89. I'd love to see a Tails run, myself. I'll be checking out the 36:00 momentarily. Can't wait.

mike89

2010-06-06 01:15:36 am

SEGA Junkie

Tails in 42:48

No unintentional deaths! For the most part this went -really- well, though there were a few hiccups (getting the SO1 glitch to work took a while, and then probably my biggest mistake was letting that boss turn around). Overall though it's good, -almost- submittable. If I can somehow hit the Lava Reef 1 boss glitch (running under the 10 ring box as it appears) I could save another minute that way, and also save a lot of pain because that level sucks. With it, I could probably sneak down to 41 minutes; without, 42. I'm not going to restart runs over it, certainly.

I probably will restart over the Flying Battery 1 boss glitch (which I landed this time!) though, because that saves two minutes and isn't particularly hard to do. I can't explain what's going on while I'm in the wall very well, but when the time comes for me to do the run for real I'll try and explain it in the comments.

Phoenix3568

2010-06-06 03:01:04 pm

Procrastination Nation!

Mike are you going to get around to doing actual runs? That'd be sweet.

mike89

2010-06-06 05:20:16 pm

SEGA Junkie

I'm nearly there, in both cases I'm probably about 30 seconds of improvement away from doing real runs. The problem is on the capture side; I can't capture in 60Hz yet and I really really don't want to do a run in 50Hz because it will just look so slow Sad

see: my runs on site.

I'm holding myself to a high standard: I want these to be some of the best runs on the site when they go up. The bar's been set with the Castlevania run that just went up, I want to exceed that.

Hattori HANZo

2010-06-07 01:53:09 am

contraddicted

I am waiting for some awesomeness to come up then Cheesy