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spineshark: 2007-03-02 06:56:43 pm
新世紀進歩的羽扇子 音楽
I have a four-day weekend and I got impossible amounts of sleep because I was sick this week.  So I'm doing an SS tonight and another either saturday or sunday night.

Okay, I just died, but my VCR is doing an okay job of recording (it's a little fuzzy but it sounds right, guess what matters to me Tongue  Also these are the tapes I used for Radiance and I'll be probably getting new ones for the run).  Not really up for this again tonight since I'll finish at 7 which isn't exactly what I want.  Also I made some huge mistakes (one of which ended with me getting in a random encounter that I could've avoided insanely easily) but hey.  There's a nice trick too, that I just noticed: if two encounters are close on the screen, and you get into one and fight it, they both disappear at the end of the fight.  Saved good time on the G(D?)onovitch mission anyway.

Assuming this falls out and I decide I can't really stand to do SS (suffering the first two hours of the game repeatedly is NOT COOL...suffering the first 20 minutes or so is bad enough), I'm writing up a segment plan.

Segment 1: Opening scene, dwarf mission briefing.  Save outside gate.

Segment 2: Travel to Earth Valley.  It's actually pretty short and there's only one cutscene so I can definitely perfect this one.  The real trick anyway is not having that Sloth spawn on the path. Sad  Save in the EV Inn.

Segment 3: Caravan.  Yeah these missions totally blew in Warcraft 3.  It had to be said.  Charging Volty to 100 during the previous battles, for Ridley/Ganz to use volty.  It went perfectly on this latest attempt actually, we beat on one, Ridley voltied another (right before he died, but still she somehow picked correctly), leaving only one for us to destroy in another minute or so.  Save in Jack's bed.

Segment 4: UGH.  Get Genius, go to the City of Flowers entrance, go to Forest Metropolis, save in the bed.

Segment 5: Sleeping and fixed time battles.  Then the "plague" cutscene.  And some other ones.  Fighting Jarvis is easy, then talk to all the bar patrons and save.

Segment 6: Talk to Ganz, watch the long but awesome Vancoor scene...then I think it's time for a bit of sewer diving and shopping.  I haven't logged the conversations properly (trying to figure out exactly the order from looking at my conversations with Molotov isn't working), but I'm not sure where the guy got Toadstool Powder otherwise.

Segment 7: Either this is Daniel or the sewers.  Or maybe Daniel's in the segment before.  *slaps forehead*

Segment 8, hypothetically (the rest of this post basically operates from this premise though if it's wrong, then it's still easy to fix haha): Go out to kill a crocogator, talk to Aidan first, then Anastasia.  Be level 10 after all that stuff.  Then go save.

Segment 9: Sleep, go get Romaria (actually the right time might be in the previous segment), go get Cosmo.  Fight the Beasts by the Bridge.  Do the weapon shop quest.  Save.

Segment 10: Sleep, talk to Thanatos.  Fight Elmo and Joaquel...the Void Sewers are easy so...no save, just go right through.  Another long scene, then the leadership training (skippable of course).  Finally a save.

Segment 11: Stone of Miracles, and everything associated with it.  This is also when I ran over to Shangri-La to buy Flee Balls (more than 15 next time heh, depending on how acceptable people would consider having to escape in a submitted run anyway) and Toadstool Powder (x30 at least!) on the current practice run, since it barely costs any time to run down there, unless my logic is amazingly flawed.  This makes it kind of an epic and annoying segment though.

Segment 12: More sleeping and a trip to Earth Valley.  An insanely hard segment considering it's brevity.  Go home and sleep again; follow Ridley.

Segment 13:  Ridley won't let you go to the warp point in Tria or Nowem, but at least you can use the pig outside of Fort Helencia.  I don't think it's a good idea to save before this (although you can) despite the fact that I've gotten wrecked before by appearing RIGHT ON A NEWT at the end of the cutscene outside City of Flowers.

Segment 14: Natalie and Leonard, best cutscene ever, Natalie and Leonard.

Segment 15: More scenes and a bit of free instant warp, save in bed.

Segment 16: Grab the axe, ignore the shopkeepers (they'll open when you get back or something anyway).  Save in Goblin Haven.

Segment 17: Gawain.  This'll be ugly, maybe.  IIRC you can run backwards through Goblin Haven and use the pig to avoid all the fights.  edit: yeah this is true.  Save in Jack's bed.  Oh yeah, there's a battle with Jarvis and Daniel.  Google says "small fish."  I agree.

Segment 18:  Talk to Mikey, go to Algandars Castle.  For the boss, I use Power Injection and then spam volties as fast as possible.  The damage stuff is weird; you'll have to check it out haha (edit: I have no idea what this sentence means after the semicolon).  The write-up talks about leveling to 29 to recruit Gil BUT I'm planning to see if this is necessary for segmented to beat the guys at fire mountain .  It quite possibly is since it's one of the most difficult battles in the game (despite how useful Hatred Edge is).  edit: I still think so, since circling strats generally fail if you are dealing with more than a couple enemies.  Lezard was actually useful for testing this!

Segment 19:  Well, Gil or no Gil, warp to Shangri-La, charge Elwen and lose, heal up real quick, fight the guys, lose to Cross, blah blah blah.  I don't think you can skip Arbitrator.  And you wouldn't want to, since you don't even have to beat Gawain.  HAHAHAHAHA.

Segment 21:  Sleep and then a couple battles outside the Fort.  Cross is really easy, although manually telling everyone to hit him in the link seems more trouble than it's worth.  He goes down easily anyway, and can probably be manipulated to not use Celestial Line in this battle anyway.  A scene with Ridley rounds this one out.

Segment 22: Lose to Gerald and clean Cross' clock (I don't know if it's just the engrishman in me speaking but that's quite a tongue twister).  City of White Nights...just...don't...mess...up.  Also no chests need to be opened.

Segment 23: Final Battle.

Well that was exhausting.
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spineshark: 2007-02-19 09:37:36 am
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Okay, at this point I'm not particularly convinced SS is going to work out.  Oh well.  I died in the sewers tonight, since I ran out of Flee Balls and all I had with me was Clive.  It's almost funny-last time I did the sewers (in my segmented run) it worked out perfectly, first try.

Anyway between this and my segmented practice run, I've been able to confirm answers to almost all of my questions.  I'll have to figure out which rock the Toadstool Powder is under though (this is a HINT for someone who may be reading this monday morning).  The last thing is the timeframe for recruiting Gil, although he may also save such massive amounts of time (he puts out way more damage than a lot of characters as far as I can tell) that it's good to get him as soon as reasonably possible.  If anybody has further comments, now is a good time, since I honestly plan to start looking into recording very soon.

bahahahahahahaha.
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Molotov: 2007-02-19 07:24:29 pm
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I'll have to figure out which rock the Toadstool Powder is under though (this is a HINT for someone who may be reading this monday morning).

How did you know? Here are the locations I've found:

#9 on this map. I don't see #9 on the map though, but maybe I'm missing something.
#59, #63, and #77 (which I don't see) on this map.
#4 on this map.
#59, #61, #62, #63, and #79 on this map.

Those are all the listed locations from the site I use. Hopefully this is of use to you.
新世紀進歩的羽扇子 音楽
Heh, well this isn't your fault...I was looking for one that's on my path early game though, and there doesn't seem to be one O_O.  This makes me wonder if he was resetting to get a drop or something, but that sounds weird.  It doesn't seem like that it would be that good for Daniel anyway.
新世紀進歩的羽扇子 音楽
Just a clarification from last time..."not that good" actually means "would probably make an easy battle noticeably faster."  I'm basically doing 9 damage every three or four seconds (avoid-lslash-rslash), and although I have no idea how much damage poison hits Daniel for (I could've probably checked on the later battle) it can't be that much.  It'd probably increase my damage by a third, which is significant, but not enough so to make it worth going way out of my way for.

Also, we were talking Crocogator last night, and it occurred to me that the reward may be decided upon the killing.  MEGAFROWN.  I'll be testing this.
i love this game.. im stuck having to fight the wind dragon with only two people and its hard as crap cuz the elf's keep killing me off  Cry  after i get done with ff8 im going to pick this one back up
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slowbro: 2007-04-04 04:04:41 am
Just stuck my head in to say a couple things:

This is an awesome game!  I am guessing it would not be that fun to speedrun though.

and ...

Is there still life in this project?  I see it's only a month since the last post so maybe there's hope.
新世紀進歩的羽扇子 音楽
It gets pretty frustrating sometimes, and I'm sort of waiting for a couple more answers to surface rather than just finding them out myself.  I'm extraordinarily lazy, as people should know, but I haven't given up.

The funniest thing about this run is that all the time I expect it to get easier, and it never does.  If there was ever a run where I felt like skill played practically no role, it might really be this one.

Your taste in games is, as ever, impeccable Wink
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slowbro: 2007-04-04 03:49:58 am
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I haven't given up.


That's the best news I've heard since I found out Inichi joined SDA.



edit: One interesting thing in this game is that with just a little bit of fighting strategy, the final boss can probably be beaten at a very low level, even taking no damage if you're good.  Especially on the Fairy Creatures' side, where you gain access to a very powerful sword without going out of your way at all.  I think some of the other bosses in the last half of the game are tougher than the final boss.

If you were well-leveled, a good choice might be as soon as you can wander Radiata Town to head for the sewers before noon, pick up the Feather Earring, and recruit Lily.  But I think your level needs to be 17 or something Sad so that's probably not possible.


edit: Yeah, you can probably tell that my only source of info is what I've figured out in a couple playthroughs, so don't expect anything groundbreaking from me, heh.
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spineshark: 2007-04-04 05:51:27 am
新世紀進歩的羽扇子 音楽
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edit: One interesting thing in this game is that with just a little bit of fighting strategy, the final boss can probably be beaten at a very low level, even taking no damage if you're good.  Especially on the Fairy Creatures' side, where you gain access to a very powerful sword without going out of your way at all.  I think some of the other bosses in the last half of the game are tougher than the final boss.

If you were well-leveled, a good choice might be as soon as you can wander Radiata Town to head for the sewers before noon, pick up the Feather Earring, and recruit Lily.  But I think your level needs to be 17 or something Sad so that's probably not possible.

Both of these things are known.  Most of my strategy is in the thread, actually.  I was fortunate enough to have a pretty detailed report written by a Japanese player that google translated acceptably.  If not for that I wouldn't have known where to start.  However, my choices for recruitment are a little different.  Cosmo gets in because he's easy and has fast hits, Romaria because she's fairy, can heal and those fireballs are good, and Aidan for the Training Device (unless I hear some good reason to get Alba instead, but he requires 1 more level too).

Anyway I think the idea for Aphelion as humans is to get the Falvern (requires small detour and a fight), and repeat the same strategy...but yeah I discovered that on my first playthrough.  Once again, this game isn't high on the skill factor...no damage-ing SO3's final boss is way harder (assuming no wussy tactics). Tongue  This is like the *first* boss.

edit: I thought about recording segment 1 tonight, which is closer than I've been in weeks >_>
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slowbro: 2007-04-06 12:26:54 am
I don't think I can offer anything better than wishing good luck.  Good luck, when you do find the time and will for this again.

But I did try something cruel today, on a file I saved before the split for some reason.  Daniel went with Jack to the Elf lands and met a Crocogator.  And Daniel started hacking away at it :[

I even forced Daniel to give it the final hit.  Sorry, Daniel!
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spineshark: 2007-04-17 05:31:50 am
新世紀進歩的羽扇子 音楽
Thanks for that.

Recorded the first segment today, after five attempts.  It goes from the opening cutscene to the save flag outside of the gate.  Current time is 17:01, but since I've never tried saving here before and I did something different (Knight Edge) I don't know how good that is.

Yeah I'm definitely disappointed that I messed up three times (the fourth ruined segment was running into an ant before hitting the flag).  It doesn't bode well for the rest of the run.

On the other hand, I won't have to sit through 15 minutes of cutscenes for most segments, so that's good at least.
How far into the game will having the Knight Edge help?  It seems pretty far out of the way.
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spineshark: 2007-04-17 08:35:48 pm
新世紀進歩的羽扇子 音楽
It's not even a minute, I'm pretty sure.  I wasn't clocking it exactly.

The Knight Edge gets used until the Heat Saber or Steel Edge is purchased (not 100% which I'm buying on the run), which is after you defeat Daniel and get the Feather Earring (and Leprechaun)...in other words, a while, although there aren't *that* many battles where it gets used...probably six on the roads plus the goblins, hopefully none on the Genius mission (but it's one of the most frustrating parts of the game, so I'll see), and of course, Daniel.  The plan is also to poison him, though, if it's true that you can get Toadstool Powder in Earth Valley (I seriously do not remember this being true, but...) but the Knight Edge is still going to be useful there.
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The plan is also to poison him, though, if it's true that you can get Toadstool Powder in Earth Valley (I seriously do not remember this being true, but...) but the Knight Edge is still going to be useful there.

I can confirm that you are able to purchase Toadstool Powder at Earth Valley. I did so when I followed that report.

Also, though I've said it many times now, I'd really look into getting Last Resort. Gil would likely (not confirmed or anything) get a damage increase of around 160 - 200 per attack, if that helps you decide whether or not to buy it.
GEKIHAAA
If there's a part on a Japanese site which you do not understand concerning Radiata Stories, feel free to ask me. Though I'm not a native speaker I'm fairly confident in my Japanese reading ability. I've played the Japanese version of Radiata Stories so if there's doubt about some version difference which is relevant to the speedrun I might be able to check it out.

The same goes to anyone else who plans on or is already speedrunning this game. Good luck!
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inichi: 2007-04-18 01:39:22 pm
>hark

Welcome to SDA!
Probably, you are more suitable for translating Japanese into English than me because my English writing ability is on low level. There are a few threads on SDA which need a person who can understand Japanese. I think you would be a great help to such threads.

>Spineshark

It is a great news for all fans of Radiata Stories that you are coming back to Radiata Stories run. I wish you the best of luck with your run.

By the way, I send you PM five days ago. Could you tell me if you have read it and whether I should send an e-mail to ogu_dai or not? It seems that I probably don't have to send it. But I'd like to confirm it just in case. I appreciate it if you would reply.


Edit: As I got a reply from Spineshark, I just send the e-mail to ogu_dai. Ogu_dai is a Japanese runner, who has two great records in Radiata stories run. He did a SS run for both Human/Fairy path and beat one in 5:14:10 and the other in 5:31:10. I'm sure his considerable experience and knowledge will be helpful for Spineshark's run.
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spineshark: 2007-04-19 08:34:09 pm
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First, in response to Molotov's most recent post, yes I'm an idiot (you were there in IRC at the time), and maybe Last Resort is good.  (it sounds great for Algandars Castle)  Gil doesn't need to be easier to kill though. Tongue  Also I couldn't finish Fire Mountain without getting him, which is worth noting in my opinion.

Enhasa, you're probably not reading this until I "make" you by linking it sometime later, but the general plan (segments and order of stuff) is in reply 25.  I wrote that at like 4:30 (you can even see that I skipped a number counting) as an edit into my post, so it's probably not all correct, but I'm not exactly sure what all of that is right, either.  Segment 11 is probably wrong (shopping in Earth Valley happens to be easier) but it might still be the right time to go to Shangri-La because of the goblin trio.  Also it's not a bad time to fight a couple extra people (they'll be on the way, unlike some of the knight groups) since by the end of that segment I need to have Jack at 29 so he can duel Gil for recruitment.

I "need" poison for the following bosses:
Daniel
the Baslisk thing on Beasts By the Bridge
Elmo and Joaquel (I want to poison one of them, because this battle does take a while despite how easy it is)
Trap Octopus (this hurts him while he's ducked and again this battle is long)
Natalie and Leonard 1 (both)
Gawain
after Gawain there's Algandars Castle (where it doesn't work) and then you get Gil, whose Freeze effects overwrite poison, and the Hatred Edge, on which the confusion effect doest the same thing, making Toadstool Powders useless at this point.  Of all those enemies, only Natalie and Leonard take more than two or three to work, so I'm thinking I'll need no more than 20 over the course of the run.

In this recording I'm going to go ahead and operate from the premise that Aidan is better in a (segmented at least) run than Alba, because of the Training Device and the fact that you can skip a couple extra fights in the Crocogator part.  I think I have most of the rest figured out (or, I had it figured out, and I'm going to have to practice a couple times again to jog my memory).  The other assumption I'm making is that buying the Steel Sword instead of the Heat Saber (I have more money because I'm planning to get less consumables) is a good move, unless...see the last paragraph here.

I am wondering though how many escapes per segment are particularly "acceptable"...since, simply put, a lot of encounters are really hard to avoid even once, much less repeatedly.  One is impossible (a sloth in segment 2 who sometimes doesn't appear at all), but stuff like the two shadows in the bent hall in Algandars Castle and some other stuff that appears on roads and bridges is pretty much guesswork and luck.  Certainly I'm not planning to buy 99 Flee Balls as soon as possible and use them every battle. :p  And because of save point placement, avoiding encounters is only part of the story, since bosses and how fast they go down also has to be taken into consideration...

Oh, and last, I really don't see how dodging the encounters on the first mission would be feasible...even once, much less repeatedly.  (it sounds TASworthy though >.>)  You can buy Flee Balls in Earth Valley too, so I'll probably get some and use them on the road, since the experience is pathetic compared to the tree monsters on the Crocogator mission which I'll be fighting anyway.  On the other hand, maybe I need that money (for the Steel Sword and/or books)...time to do some accounting!
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Enhasa: 2007-04-29 11:30:46 pm
everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music
Well, everyone who it would matter to (I should post on gamefaqs as well) probably already knows this, but if someone does a 100% characters run, I will give you $50 and slowbro will give you $200.

To update the thread a little, last I heard spineshark was on seg3, and we (him, me, Molotov) figured out how to avoid the enemies in the Earth Valley mission.

Also ogu_dai responded and says Alba is still best. This might make sense because Aidan is a worthless punk whose only redeeming factor is that has a rich dad. Wink

I don't know what ogu_dai does or says, but I agree with Molotov that Last Resort looks like a good idea. Another neat thing to try (although probably useless in a run... I don't know who's immune to what) is Stop with a party full of people who resist Bind.

About unavoidable enemies, the only ones I can remember that I would consider truly "unavoidable" are the spiders or whatever in the Goblin Cemetary, which you're not doing anyway.
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spineshark: 2007-04-30 06:29:12 am
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Ohh, thanks.  I forget that Tom is (hopefully) reading this thread to find out what's going on, and not irc. =/

It's true that there's not much that's unavoidable (heck, I even dodged a sloth while ON the caravan mission, but it seems like the equivalent of beating mike in tss >_> ) but I can think of a few cases where things get really hard.  I've mentioned this before, but what comes to mind are:
The caravan of course  Lips Sealed
the lizards on the Genius mission, and Bison later on as well
the phantom dudes in the narrower parts of Algandars Castle

The last one in particular really bothers me, because it'll be coming at least 15 minutes into a segment probably, and there's really nothing you can do but hug a wall and hope you don't hit it Sad

I'll believe that Alba is better too...for now. Tongue

This isn't a correction because I never said anything that indicated this, but I haven't actually recorded segment 2 yet-I was practicing yesterday to make sure I shouldn't do something different (also known as: pigs are rich bastards), but now that I know, it's just going to be a river of tears over here for a while.

About 100%, I'm going to be very bored at school next month (teachers can't teach because everybody's doing testing all through May) so I've thought about trying to chart out a bunch of crap just to see what it looks like.  Unfortunately, it'd be better in three dimensions (who, when, where) but gotta deal with what I can, eh?

Really, the planning sounds bad, but only a little ways behind that is three terrifying words:

segment three twice.

edit: the goblins can be poisoned (easily) which breaks their link instantly and does damage at a low rate (but hardly worse than the 1-2 damage per hit I get on two of the goblins).  Any thoughts?
Direct Assault!
Wouldn't 100% characters be two runs? How would this work?
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Enhasa: 2007-04-30 09:13:58 pm
everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music
You'd pick a path for the first playthrough. Then when you beat Aphelion, you watch through the ending (I don't think you can skip but it's short) and start a "strong from start." Then you can go the other path and get a complete friends list.

TAF, would you mind advertising these bounties on gamefaqs for me?

Edit: You have to get Lenneth too though of course.
Direct Assault!
Would you need to beat the game again on the second run, or does it end when you complete the friend list?

I'll post the bounties, sure. There is a new segmented SO3 speed run there, faster than the current one here, so I guess there will be interest for that bounty, at least... I'd do the Radiata, SO2 and VP2 ones if I could, but I have no way to record in a format SDA would accept.
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Enhasa: 2007-05-01 10:42:35 am
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100% runs rely on finishing the game, so while there's not much of a precedent, I'm sure the ruling would be that you would need to finish the 2nd loop too. Not like that would be much of a problem really or even be much farther. There might be later requirements, but Adele and Galvados are each very near the end. This also implies that you would get Lenneth before doing 2nd loop.

Are there videos for the faster SO3? And do you know how it compares to the Ultima Garden times? (2:57 and 3:45 Director's Cut to last save points)

The not being able to record for SDA is no excuse. Since you have VP1 vids, I suppose this means that you recorded them on emulator. For SDA, you could use either a capture card, or more easily (since it's a bitch to deal with all the SDA formats) a VCR or DVD recorder. If you don't have either of those, I can buy one for you. If we have people who would pay $250 for RS, I'm sure we can pool together to get you a nice DVD recorder. We've had people buy other people recorders already.

I just realized something though. I guess the VP1 all dungeons wouldn't be of much interest to you as it could be, because you already did the video walkthroughs. Wink Or what is it?
Direct Assault!
The SO3 speed run is a little over 10 minutes faster. I've only seen a few battles though. There are videos on Youtube and Filefront. Topic here:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=536705&topic=34909320

A VP1 all dungeons run should be really interesting, but my PS2 has serious problems with VP1. The game usually crashes when loading the map, so I can't really make a run without an emulator.

About buying me a VCR/DVD Recorder... wow, really? Shocked Thanks, I really appreciate it. I've never done a real run though (but have some planned), so who knows if it's worth it. But really, thanks!