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Carcinogen

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2012-01-24 08:36:36 am

err... I'm pretty sure you don't even need to grind off of enemies at all. I've gotten the correct soul counts to level up my weapons from just beating only the enemies required to beat the game, last time I played through it.

If the offset of killing enemies results in a gain over bosses, then go for it, but in this game I seriously doubt that is the case. Killing floating skull balls sounds like a waste of time.

Also, I should let you guys know, that you can skip cutscenes in Genma Onimusha on XBox... Let's discuss that version too. I dunno if the IGT counts cutscenes for timing or not (would appreciate it if someone would do an RTA on PS2 for comparison), but if so, the time will drop much lower than 57 minutes... Only problem is, there's a world of difference I haven't been able to gauge in that version, like the extra 'devil trigger' type move that makes you invincible for a short period of time.

Joshkaz

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Joshkaz: 2012-01-24 08:54:06 am

Joshkaz: 2012-01-24 08:43:46 am

2012-01-24 08:43:26 am

King Wabasami

I have Genma Onimusha.

But id think the game itself would be warranted as a separate category. Some story items changed places, the invincible healing thing, charge attacks, no orb upgrade. For a 100% run Flourite was changed around, theres a a orge castle stage with a optional boss at the end, orge armor. I think its also a little harder overall? The souls for the invincible mode the enemies can absorb to get stronger (prob doesn't matter for a speed run)

What else I found different in Warlords and Genma
Creepy doll in some chests, Stronger enemies and more of them and new cutscenes.

Carcinogen

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Carcinogen: 2012-01-24 08:48:48 am

Carcinogen: 2012-01-24 08:48:04 am

2012-01-24 08:46:57 am

Well, I mean, duh, of course it's a separate category. Damned if any of the Japanese played on that version of the game. There's also a PC version that was released in China with English voice/text, but I'm still working certain bugs with that version such as getting a gamepad to work properly... My PS2 controller is only registering one direction press at a time, so no diagonals.

That's everything I remember about the Genma too, but I no longer have an XBox or a 360 so I wouldn't be able to give any input.

Jackerson

2012-01-24 01:53:04 pm

Ok Bobby I'll give what you said a shot. I won't frick with the skulls unless I need to get through doors. But I was going to try cutting stuff outa my run tonight anyways so well see what happens. But remember! I'm hoping some one will crush this run. and I won't have to run anymore of the onimusha's I would just love to enjoy them!

zero shift

2012-01-24 05:56:59 pm

Fighting any skulls other than the ones after Osrik are a waste of time. The ones after him are quick and easy to beat and they also have a huge amount to multiply from Osrik from the start, meaning 5 bars for you.

Right after Osrik you need to run straight to the keep and need a lv 2 fire orb to get to the puzzles. But you really need it earlier to get the crest half earlier in the door just up the stairs. If you miss it now you waste time later. So you need level 2 before the savepoint by the puzzle door or you have to waste time moving to and from savepoints to enhance when you can do it all at the Osrik savepoint in one go.

After the puzzles you need to fight Marcellus and after him a lv 2 thunder door is required. The souls from the skulls by Osrik are still in effect as you got enough to get lv2 fire and thunder at the first savepoint. If you miss those souls you will have to waste time building on other enemies.

Believe me there's a small amount of grinding to be done to get the exact amount. If I can figure a fast enough way to beat the insect woman I might be able to skip the gun which requires a lv 3 thunder door. This boss alone in the bane of this run.

I'm thinking of going for more magic jewels so long as I can get them quickly from puzzle boxes, then I can use 3 spells instead of 2 for each sword. I'm really trying to do the minimum required here.

Fighting any skulls other than the ones after Osrik are a waste of time. The ones after him are quick and easy to beat and they also have a huge amount to multiply from Osrik from the start, meaning 5 bars for you.

Right after Osrik you need to run straight to the keep and need a lv 2 fire orb to get to the puzzles. But you really need it earlier to get the crest half earlier in the door just up the stairs. If you miss it now you waste time later. So you need level 2 before the savepoint by the puzzle door or you have to waste time moving to and from savepoints to enhance when you can do it all at the Osrik savepoint in one go.

After the puzzles you need to fight Marcellus and after him a lv 2 thunder door is required. The souls from the skulls by Osrik are still in effect as you got enough to get lv2 fire and thunder at the first savepoint. If you miss those souls you will have to waste time building on other enemies.

Believe me there's a small amount of grinding to be done to get the exact amount. If I can figure a fast enough way to beat the insect woman I might be able to skip the gun which requires a lv 3 thunder door. This boss alone in the bane of this run.

I'm thinking of going for more magic jewels so long as I can get them quickly from puzzle boxes, then I can use 3 spells instead of 2 for each sword. I'm really trying to do the minimum required here.

Joshkaz

2012-01-24 06:02:18 pm

King Wabasami

Try the bow instead of the gun. If the doesnt work magic jewels will probably be the best way.

zero shift

2012-01-24 06:16:54 pm

Jackerson, learn criticals or you'll never be faster than someone who does. Even the first 4 zombies you need to kill take a beating with the normal sword, where criticals will wipe them out and, you can even line them up and get a deflect critical that can mow through more than one.

You won't need to fight a lot that's true, but you will need to at some point.

Yeah I did try the bow with some fire arrows but I haven't figured out the difference in attack compared to burst bullets. The real problem is the damn bugs and positioning to shoot the bitch. Still haven't tried you're soul absorber method yet because I want to go through and find out where the closest easiest one is, then I might make 2 saves, one where I get the gun and one without.

Guess I won't be completing this anytime soon as any game I touch to speedrun results in me going somewhat crazy to save any second and then not being happy anyway.

By the way I'm extremely jealous that you have Genma. That version is freakin' boss and so superior. It has more DR, harder enemies, 'devil trigger', that damn creepy doll...I want it!

Definitely a separate category, as the differences are quite big. The fact that you can go devil trigger would surely speed up any fights.

Jackerson, learn criticals or you'll never be faster than someone who does. Even the first 4 zombies you need to kill take a beating with the normal sword, where criticals will wipe them out and, you can even line them up and get a deflect critical that can mow through more than one.

You won't need to fight a lot that's true, but you will need to at some point.

Yeah I did try the bow with some fire arrows but I haven't figured out the difference in attack compared to burst bullets. The real problem is the damn bugs and positioning to shoot the bitch. Still haven't tried you're soul absorber method yet because I want to go through and find out where the closest easiest one is, then I might make 2 saves, one where I get the gun and one without.

Guess I won't be completing this anytime soon as any game I touch to speedrun results in me going somewhat crazy to save any second and then not being happy anyway.

By the way I'm extremely jealous that you have Genma. That version is freakin' boss and so superior. It has more DR, harder enemies, 'devil trigger', that damn creepy doll...I want it!

Definitely a separate category, as the differences are quite big. The fact that you can go devil trigger would surely speed up any fights.

Jackerson

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Jackerson: 2012-01-24 07:04:46 pm

2012-01-24 06:59:42 pm

Quote from zero shift:

Jackerson, learn criticals or you'll never be faster than someone who does. Even the first 4 zombies you need to kill take a beating with the normal sword, where criticals will wipe them out and, you can even line them up and get a deflect critical that can mow through more than one.

You won't need to fight a lot that's true, but you will need to at some point.

Yeah I did try the bow with some fire arrows but I haven't figured out the difference in attack compared to burst bullets. The real problem is the damn bugs and positioning to shoot the bitch. Still haven't tried you're soul absorber method yet because I want to go through and find out where the closest easiest one is, then I might make 2 saves, one where I get the gun and one without.

Guess I won't be completing this anytime soon as any game I touch to speedrun results in me going somewhat crazy to save any second and then not being happy anyway.

By the way I'm extremely jealous that you have Genma. That version is freakin' boss and so superior. It has more DR, harder enemies, 'devil trigger', that damn creepy doll...I want it!

Definitely a separate category, as the differences are quite big. The fact that you can go devil trigger would surely speed up any fights.

Lol! alright! alright!
I will try and get some critical strikes down zero! I'll work on it.

The quickest soul absorber is when you are Kaede and you are in the archer field you save the guard there by going up the ladder first, then kill the zombie archers and then kill the zombie samurai's. The guard will then give you the soul absorber.

I think its worth it to miss the gun and upgrade the magic. then use this soul absorb Tec. I'm going to try it tonight or tom.

Zero can you read the FAQ's on the critical strike and tell me if they are right? I know that when ever you have to push a button on a certain frame it going to be hard, but do you really have to side step also? The faq's say there are all sorts of critical strikes. Which do you think is the most effective? You already said some thing about the block deflect.

[quote="zero shift"]Jackerson, learn criticals or you'll never be faster than someone who does. Even the first 4 zombies you need to kill take a beating with the normal sword, where criticals will wipe them out and, you can even line them up and get a deflect critical that can mow through more than one.

You won't need to fight a lot that's true, but you will need to at some point.

Yeah I did try the bow with some fire arrows but I haven't figured out the difference in attack compared to burst bullets. The real problem is the damn bugs and positioning to shoot the bitch. Still haven't tried you're soul absorber method yet because I want to go through and find out where the closest easiest one is, then I might make 2 saves, one where I get the gun and one without.

Guess I won't be completing this anytime soon as any game I touch to speedrun results in me going somewhat crazy to save any second and then not being happy anyway.

By the way I'm extremely jealous that you have Genma. That version is freakin' boss and so superior. It has more DR, harder enemies, 'devil trigger', that damn creepy doll...I want it!

Definitely a separate category, as the differences are quite big. The fact that you can go devil trigger would surely speed up any fights.
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Lol! alright! alright! 
I will try and get some critical strikes down zero! I'll work on it.

The quickest soul absorber is when you are Kaede and you are in the archer field you save the guard there by going up the ladder first, then kill the zombie archers and then kill the zombie samurai's. The guard will then give you the soul absorber.

I think its worth it to miss the gun and upgrade the magic. then use this soul absorb Tec. I'm going to try it tonight or tom.

Zero can you read the FAQ's on the critical strike and tell me if they are right? I know that when ever you have to push a button on a certain frame it going to be hard, but do you really have to side step also? The faq's say there are all sorts of critical strikes. Which do you think is the most effective? You already said some thing about the block deflect.

Joshkaz

2012-01-24 07:09:58 pm

King Wabasami

I don't think you have to side step. I think most people do it just so if they screw up they reduce the chances of getting hit.
Deflect critical is blocking just before you get hit then attacking.
the regular critical is just attacking right before it hits you.

zero shift

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zero shift: 2012-01-24 07:20:50 pm

2012-01-24 07:20:06 pm

1 - Deflect critical. Block an attack at the last second and see the yellow flash, then hit the attack button. It's safer that a regular critical because if you miss you'll usually just block.

The deflect critical will make Samanosuke dash forward and if you have enemies lined up you can slash through and critical more than one. Beware that there are many attacks that can't be deflected, though they are mostly 'heavy' looking attacks.

2 - Side step. No you don't have to side step. They are exactly the same as regular stationary counters in that you press attack plus side step to be safe.

I find them to be the less useful.

3 - Regular. Don't move, just attack at the right time.

Note than depending on the enemy attack, Sam will do different animation critical, but the deflect always gives the dash attack so you can catch other enemies.

I use deflect if I can line them up, and you if you see a powerful enemy with weak ones you can use the weak one to critical through both of them. The fire sword is the best because of it's range so you have a better chance of catching more enemies. Other that that I never use side step and stick with the regular one.

Thank for Kaede's soul absorber. I don't have a save near that part so I'll start over to try it. Do you know if you can throw kunai at the archers? If so I can avoid climbing and loading.

I'll check the faq and get back to you.

1 - Deflect critical. Block an attack at the last second and see the yellow flash, then hit the attack button. It's safer that a regular critical because if you miss you'll usually just block.

The deflect critical will make Samanosuke dash forward and if you have enemies lined up you can slash through and critical more than one. Beware that there are many attacks that can't be deflected, though they are mostly 'heavy' looking attacks.

2 - Side step. No you don't have to side step. They are exactly the same as regular stationary counters in that you press attack plus side step to be safe.

I find them to be the less useful.

3 - Regular. Don't move, just attack at the right time.

Note than depending on the enemy attack, Sam will do different animation critical, but the deflect always gives the dash attack so you can catch other enemies.

I use deflect if I can line them up, and you if you see a powerful enemy with weak ones you can use the weak one to critical through both of them. The fire sword is the best because of it's range so you have a better chance of catching more enemies. Other that that I never use side step and stick with the regular one.

Thank for Kaede's soul absorber. I don't have a save near that part so I'll start over to try it. Do you know if you can throw kunai at the archers? If so I can avoid climbing and loading.

I'll check the faq and get back to you.

Joshkaz

2012-01-24 07:34:03 pm

King Wabasami

So, I recently bought the Onimusha essentials just for new copies of all the games to use (im pretty weird like that) Did Warlords ever get a version that allowed analog? Because the one I got from essentials allows me to use it.

zero shift

2012-01-24 07:44:00 pm

Issen faq is accurate is far as I can see. All the attacks he lists as 'not sure if can be Issened' are exactly the ones I thought. I remember using this guide to test the ones I could never Issen years ago and found all his are the same so I think it's safe to conclude they can't be done.

Not sure about that analog thing. I have the JP version as some kind of re-release and no analog. Don't know about Genma.

Joshkaz

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Joshkaz: 2012-01-24 11:11:37 pm

2012-01-24 11:10:25 pm

King Wabasami

I ran through the game

did pretty terrible with a time of 2 hours. Forgot where to go way too many times, spent too much time screwing around Issening enemies, and I didnt do the DR in the well when I should've wasting time going room to room getting some souls for upgrades.

I also wasted some souls on dumb upgrades, also got the holy armor and Great armor not sure if either are needed. Getting the holy armor is definitely easier than the great armor (stupid puzzle :[ )

Jackerson

2012-01-24 11:12:47 pm

Quote from Joshkaz:

So, I recently bought the Onimusha essentials just for new copies of all the games to use (im pretty weird like that) Did Warlords ever get a version that allowed analog? Because the one I got from essentials allows me to use it.

That's Great josh! That would help.

I just bought all of the used copies I have from game stop which would be 1,2,3 and i'm buying 4 online from amazon. I loaned my original to my nephews and then my brother sold them back to game stop for basically nothing! It still pisses me off!

On a brighter side though, sony's trying to get ride of alot of stock in video games so I got my used copies for dirt cheap oni 1 was 1.67$ oni2 was 2.80$ and three was around there.

Well all of that to say I tried another run to day and with all of your tips I got it down to a game time of 1hour and 26mins with big time screw ups like the water puzzle and not level up the lighting orb before the bee hoe. It was another SS run.

Zero I don't know if the Kunai will work. You'll probably find out before me. I was only going to do one run tonight because it's me and my wife's date night. I ditched the gun though and the regular arrows do the trick, it would have been minutes faster if I would have leveled up the lighting orb before going in the boat to the bee hoe.

[quote="Joshkaz"]So, I recently bought the Onimusha essentials just for new copies of all the games to use (im pretty weird like that) Did Warlords ever get a version that allowed analog? Because the one I got from essentials allows me to use it.[/quote]
That's Great josh! That would help.

I just bought all of the used copies I have from game stop which would be 1,2,3 and i'm buying 4 online from amazon. I loaned my original to my nephews and then my brother sold them back to game stop for basically nothing! It still pisses me off!

On a brighter side though, sony's trying to get ride of alot of stock in video games so I got my used copies for dirt cheap oni 1 was 1.67$ oni2 was 2.80$ and three was around there.

Well all of that to say I tried another run to day and with all of your tips I got it down to a game time of 1hour and 26mins with big time screw ups like the water puzzle and not level up the lighting orb before the bee hoe. It was another SS run.

Zero I don't know if the Kunai will work. You'll probably find out before me. I was only going to do one run tonight because it's me and my wife's date night. I ditched the gun though and the regular arrows do the trick, it would have been minutes faster if I would have leveled up the lighting orb before going in the boat to the bee hoe.

Jackerson

2012-01-24 11:15:42 pm

Quote from Joshkaz:

I ran through the game

did pretty terrible with a time of 2 hours. Forgot where to go way too many times, spent too much time screwing around Issening enemies, and I didnt do the DR in the well when I should've wasting time going room to room getting some souls for upgrades.

I also wasted some souls on dumb upgrades, also got the holy armor and Great armor not sure if either are needed. Getting the holy armor is definitely easier than the great armor (stupid puzzle :[ )

Hey I think that's a great first time! mine was around there.

I think that the great armor is the only armor needed for the last boss I skip the holy.
Does any one know how much the great armor reduces damage?

Jackerson

2012-01-24 11:17:20 pm

Quote from zero shift:

1 - Deflect critical. Block an attack at the last second and see the yellow flash, then hit the attack button. It's safer that a regular critical because if you miss you'll usually just block.

The deflect critical will make Samanosuke dash forward and if you have enemies lined up you can slash through and critical more than one. Beware that there are many attacks that can't be deflected, though they are mostly 'heavy' looking attacks.

2 - Side step. No you don't have to side step. They are exactly the same as regular stationary counters in that you press attack plus side step to be safe.

I find them to be the less useful.

3 - Regular. Don't move, just attack at the right time.

Note than depending on the enemy attack, Sam will do different animation critical, but the deflect always gives the dash attack so you can catch other enemies.

I use deflect if I can line them up, and you if you see a powerful enemy with weak ones you can use the weak one to critical through both of them. The fire sword is the best because of it's range so you have a better chance of catching more enemies. Other that that I never use side step and stick with the regular one.

Thank for Kaede's soul absorber. I don't have a save near that part so I'll start over to try it. Do you know if you can throw kunai at the archers? If so I can avoid climbing and loading.

I'll check the faq and get back to you.

Thank you zero! Your Input is very helpful!

[quote="zero shift"]1 - Deflect critical. Block an attack at the last second and see the yellow flash, then hit the attack button. It's safer that a regular critical because if you miss you'll usually just block.

The deflect critical will make Samanosuke dash forward and if you have enemies lined up you can slash through and critical more than one. Beware that there are many attacks that can't be deflected, though they are mostly 'heavy' looking attacks.

2 - Side step. No you don't have to side step. They are exactly the same as regular stationary counters in that you press attack plus side step to be safe.

I find them to be the less useful.

3 - Regular. Don't move, just attack at the right time.

Note than depending on the enemy attack, Sam will do different animation critical, but the deflect always gives the dash attack so you can catch other enemies.

I use deflect if I can line them up, and you if you see a powerful enemy with weak ones you can use the weak one to critical through both of them. The fire sword is the best because of it's range so you have a better chance of catching more enemies. Other that that I never use side step and stick with the regular one.

Thank for Kaede's soul absorber. I don't have a save near that part so I'll start over to try it. Do you know if you can throw kunai at the archers? If so I can avoid climbing and loading.

I'll check the faq and get back to you.[/quote]
Thank you zero! Your Input is very helpful!

zero shift

2012-01-25 12:39:38 am

Quote:

also got the holy armor and Great armor not sure if either are needed. Getting the holy armor is definitely easier than the great armor (stupid puzzle :[ )

Your time isn't too terrible actually. About picking up armor, I wouldn't recommend it. I might be going a bit crazy to save every second, but I figure not crossing the bridge and even the small freeze when you pick it up+bringing up the menu to equip it are all precious seconds. What else are you picking up?

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Well all of that to say I tried another run to day and with all of your tips I got it down to a game time of 1hour and 26mins with big time screw ups like the water puzzle and not level up the lighting orb before the bee hoe. It was another SS run.

That's a really good time. I'm still wondering whether or not to level up Lightning to Lv3. But I guess it works out faster. I'll just quickly build the soul in DR. What's your attack pattern?

I'm guessing wind, lightning, repeat x3? The wind magic will blast the bugs and when you run out use soul absorber to hold the next wave and shoot her with fire arrows? The real problem is those little bugs messing up the lock on and forcing me to reposition. I might just pick up the extra magic jewel or two to get 3 uses of magic. This boss fight really is a run killer as all my planning from the beginning is going towards defeating her.

I found a small trick or sorts, once you've used up wind and thunder, or anytime you want I guess, when you hear the cue for her diving sting attack. She says something before it, then you can switch to fire sword and blast her just before she hits for a free shot. She comes right into it though I'm not too sure how well it works if bugs are nearby. You don't need to lock on just face her. This can really speed up the fight.

And damn, you and these SS runs haha, you're saving time on not stopping for save points. I want to run straight to Marcellus 2 after the bee fight but I'm too scared of stuffing up on him.

The thing about getting armor and taking damage is, we shouldn't be taking damage or at least not so much. I know, easier said than done, but it's only the boss fights to worry about and saving before them fixes that. And if we're taking enough damage that we need armor, then we're just losing time getting smacked around.

Fortinbras isn't too bad for the most part. Speaking of him, taking damage on his eye laser actually makes him stop shooting them. I said before sometimes he won't stop firing them like 10+ times in a row wasting my time. I'm wondering if it would be better to take the hit and cancel them, but I hate doing runs where I take damage.

[quote]also got the holy armor and Great armor not sure if either are needed. Getting the holy armor is definitely easier than the great armor (stupid puzzle :[ )[/quote]
Your time isn't too terrible actually. About picking up armor, I wouldn't recommend it. I might be going a bit crazy to save every second, but I figure not crossing the bridge and even the small freeze when you pick it up+bringing up the menu to equip it are all precious seconds. What else are you picking up?

[quote]Well all of that to say I tried another run to day and with all of your tips I got it down to a game time of 1hour and 26mins with big time screw ups like the water puzzle and not level up the lighting orb before the bee hoe. It was another SS run.[/quote]
That's a really good time. I'm still wondering whether or not to level up Lightning to Lv3. But I guess it works out faster. I'll just quickly build the soul in DR. What's your attack pattern?

I'm guessing wind, lightning, repeat x3? The wind magic will blast the bugs and when you run out use soul absorber to hold the next wave and shoot her with fire arrows? The real problem is those little bugs messing up the lock on and forcing me to reposition. I might just pick up the extra magic jewel or two to get 3 uses of magic. This boss fight really is a run killer as all my planning from the beginning is going towards defeating her.

I found a small trick or sorts, once you've used up wind and thunder, or anytime you want I guess, when you hear the cue for her diving sting attack. She says something before it, then you can switch to fire sword and blast her just before she hits for a free shot. She comes right into it though I'm not too sure how well it works if bugs are nearby. You don't need to lock on just face her. This can really speed up the fight.

And damn, you and these SS runs haha, you're saving time on not stopping for save points. I want to run straight to Marcellus 2 after the bee fight but I'm too scared of stuffing up on him.

The thing about getting armor and taking damage is, we shouldn't be taking damage or at least not so much. I know, easier said than done, but it's only the boss fights to worry about and saving before them fixes that. And if we're taking enough damage that we need armor, then we're just losing time getting smacked around.

Fortinbras isn't too bad for the most part. Speaking of him, taking damage on his eye laser actually makes him stop shooting them. I said before sometimes he won't stop firing them like 10+ times in a row wasting my time. I'm wondering if it would be better to take the hit and cancel them, but I hate doing runs where I take damage.

Jackerson

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Jackerson: 2012-01-25 02:52:31 am

Jackerson: 2012-01-25 02:50:24 am

2012-01-25 02:42:49 am

zero I hope you know that the 1hour and 26mins. was a game time.
It was like 1hour and 43min. in real life.
I had my wife time me the other night and I got a game time of 1hour and 31min. and that was 1hour and 48 mins. real time.

SS stand's for Single....Segment right? Or am I retarded? If SS stands for the game rank I'm not even a B!

But if SS does stand for what I think it does, and you still want to know my attack pattern.
I build souls when ever there are skull clouds, I also fight the group of demon bulls before the decorative sword that is how I build level 3 lighting orb.
I think that in the long run from playing both ways magic saves minutes.

I agree that Fortinbras is not that bad. But I do take heavy damage and heal because I think it saves time to hack and get hit.
Do you not heal on bosses? I guess your not worried about it if your saving right before.

I understand I have to get better at fighting I'm working on criticals tonight but I still think that it's effective to put the great armor on and heal.
It might not look as cool but on a single segment its better to be safe then lose a hour and a half of my life Lol!

Once again though I hope I don't sound disrespectful though zero I think that you have way better play style then me and could blow my run outta the water in this game, and hope that you do!
By the way did you get your dvd recorder issue figured out?

zero I hope you know that the 1hour and 26mins. was a game time. 
It was like 1hour and 43min. in real life. 
I had my wife time me the other night and I got a game time of 1hour and 31min. and that was 1hour and 48 mins. real time.

SS stand's for Single....Segment right? Or am I retarded? If SS stands for the game rank I'm not even a B!

But if SS does stand for what I think it does, and you still want to know my attack pattern. 
I build souls when ever there are skull clouds, I also fight the group of demon bulls before the decorative sword that is how I build level 3 lighting orb. 
I think that in the long run from playing both ways magic saves minutes.

I agree that Fortinbras is not that bad. But I do take heavy damage and heal because I think it saves time to hack and get hit. 
Do you not heal on bosses? I guess your not worried about it if your saving right before.

I understand I have to get better at fighting I'm working on criticals tonight but I still think that it's effective to put the great armor on and heal. 
It might not look as cool but on a single segment its better to be safe then lose a hour and a half of my life Lol!

Once again though I hope I don't sound disrespectful though zero I think that you have way better play style then me and could blow my run outta the water in this game, and hope that you do! 
By the way did you get your dvd recorder issue figured out?

zero shift

2012-01-25 04:00:44 am

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zero I hope you know that the 1hour and 26mins. was a game time.

I don't really know what you mean by this. I have read that here people stop the timer when they lose control of the character at the end. Is this what you mean? What does real time mean is this case? Something tells me a lot are going to think me really stupid for not knowing this;D

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SS stand's for Single....Segment right? Or am I retarded? If SS stands for the game rank I'm not even a B!

Yeah, you play through without stopping or resetting, though I'm not sure if that means not saving. I have keys points where I save so I can improve my time if I'm not happy with it.

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But if SS does stand for what I think it does, and you still want to know my attack pattern.

I mean your attack pattern for the insect demon boss.

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I also fight the group of demon bulls before the decorative sword that is how I build level 3 lighting orb.

I got a decent strategy for these guys. The 3 yellows move in first, and you can line them up and use the fire magic to shoot all 3 plus the red guy in one shot. The yellows fall and red starts moving in, but they all get up and you can fireball all of them+red again. That kills the yellows and just leaves red which can be dealt with with lightning and wind.

This is the fastest way I could deal with them. I was thinking criticals but there's no way to get the dash critical since deflect doesn't work on these guys. I think the wind blade does a dash counter but I'm not sure because it all depends on the attack. Might test it tomorrow because if it works I might be able to clear out the 3 yellows in one critical.

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But I do take heavy damage and heal because I think it saves time to hack and get hit.

I think you're onto something here. Thinking about it now, for some of his attacks you may be able to get in hits faster if you just take damage. The case I mentioned before about the eye lasers is definitely true, though you never know, he might only shoot 1 or 2 eye lasers.

Some of his attacks would not be good to take a hit from, like anything that sends you flying back like his wind and claw. Which of his attacks are you letting hit you? The idea is interesting.

The downside I can see, though I'm not sure at the moment, is the time taken to open the menu and heal, which means you must have stopped to pick up herbs/medicine, meaning time wasted, unless you're sure you can make it up. Are you picking up all the power jewels too? Seems like a strategy that require a lot of life, armor and items depending on how much you need to take damage.

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Do you not heal on bosses?

No, as I said above the time taken to collect and use anything, and also the delay of taking a hit, especially a knockdown ruins it for me. I've got every boss down to no damage, with the exception of the insect boss which is more about her damn minions and flying, and wasted time. I'm not saying I don't make mistakes but I've got strategies and my plan is to not take damage. That's why I need my save points, haha.

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I understand I have to get better at fighting I'm working on criticals tonight but I still think that it's effective to put the great armor on and heal.

For sure. It's a cool idea to tank through the boss. I wouldn't have ever considered it. For Fortinbras I could be dodging all his lightning orbs while you take the hits and then get in more attacks and stun him while I'm running around. I can't say if it's overall faster, but it might be in some cases. We'll just have to see. Cool stuff though.

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Once again though I hope I don't sound disrespectful though zero I think that you have way better play style then me and could blow my run outta the water in this game, and hope that you do!

haha, who knows? You've come up with some interesting ideas and if the soul absorber thing works out I owe you that. This game is pretty linear though so I think most runners would get the same or very close times.

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By the way did you get your dvd recorder issue figured out?

Ok, here's the deal with it.

It records TV no problem. I set up the PS2 and connect the AV leads all in the right places. I start recording then stop and check the harddrive. I can see screencaps of the video I made, but when I got to play them all I get is sound and a black screen. If I record to a blank DVD I get a video file that does the same thing.

At this point I could easily make vids on VHS and have done so before, but those are a real pain to use. If I make a mistake I have to rewind and all that, and when I press record it takes about 5 seconds before it actually starts recording. Really annoying process, and I have no way to show the VHS recordings anyway. At best I could upload a photo of my screen and the time.

[quote]zero I hope you know that the 1hour and 26mins. was a game time.[/quote]
I don't really know what you mean by this. I have read that here people stop the timer when they lose control of the character at the end. Is this what you mean? What does real time mean is this case? Something tells me a lot are going to think me really stupid for not knowing this;D

[quote]SS stand's for Single....Segment right? Or am I retarded? If SS stands for the game rank I'm not even a B![/quote]
Yeah, you play through without stopping or resetting, though I'm not sure if that means not saving. I have keys points where I save so I can improve my time if I'm not happy with it.

[quote]But if SS does stand for what I think it does, and you still want to know my attack pattern.[/quote]
I mean your attack pattern for the insect demon boss.

[quote]I also fight the group of demon bulls before the decorative sword that is how I build level 3 lighting orb.[/quote]
I got a decent strategy for these guys. The 3 yellows move in first, and you can line them up and use the fire magic to shoot all 3 plus the red guy in one shot. The yellows fall and red starts moving in, but they all get up and you can fireball all of them+red again. That kills the yellows and just leaves red which can be dealt with with lightning and wind.

This is the fastest way I could deal with them. I was thinking criticals but there's no way to get the dash critical since deflect doesn't work on these guys. I think the wind blade does a dash counter but I'm not sure because it all depends on the attack. Might test it tomorrow because if it works I might be able to clear out the 3 yellows in one critical.

[quote]But I do take heavy damage and heal because I think it saves time to hack and get hit.[/quote]
I think you're onto something here. Thinking about it now, for some of his attacks you may be able to get in hits faster if you just take damage. The case I mentioned before about the eye lasers is definitely true, though you never know, he might only shoot 1 or 2 eye lasers.

Some of his attacks would not be good to take a hit from, like anything that sends you flying back like his wind and claw. Which of his attacks are you letting hit you? The idea is interesting.

The downside I can see, though I'm not sure at the moment, is the time taken to open the menu and heal, which means you must have stopped to pick up herbs/medicine, meaning time wasted, unless you're sure you can make it up. Are you picking up all the power jewels too? Seems like a strategy that require a lot of life, armor and items depending on how much you need to take damage.

[quote]Do you not heal on bosses?[/quote]
No, as I said above the time taken to collect and use anything, and also the delay of taking a hit, especially a knockdown ruins it for me. I've got every boss down to no damage, with the exception of the insect boss which is more about her damn minions and flying, and wasted time. I'm not saying I don't make mistakes but I've got strategies and my plan is to not take damage. That's why I need my save points, haha.

[quote]I understand I have to get better at fighting I'm working on criticals tonight but I still think that it's effective to put the great armor on and heal.[/quote]
For sure. It's a cool idea to tank through the boss. I wouldn't have ever considered it. For Fortinbras I could be dodging all his lightning orbs while you take the hits and then get in more attacks and stun him while I'm running around. I can't say if it's overall faster, but it might be in some cases. We'll just have to see. Cool stuff though.

[quote]Once again though I hope I don't sound disrespectful though zero I think that you have way better play style then me and could blow my run outta the water in this game, and hope that you do![/quote]

haha, who knows? You've come up with some interesting ideas and if the soul absorber thing works out I owe you that. This game is pretty linear though so I think most runners would get the same or very close times.

[quote]By the way did you get your dvd recorder issue figured out?[/quote]
Ok, here's the deal with it.

It records TV no problem. I set up the PS2 and connect the AV leads all in the right places. I start recording then stop and check the harddrive. I can see screencaps of the video I made, but when I got to play them all I get is sound and a black screen. If I record to a blank DVD I get a video file that does the same thing.

At this point I could easily make vids on VHS and have done so before, but those are a real pain to use. If I make a mistake I have to rewind and all that, and when I press record it takes about 5 seconds before it actually starts recording. Really annoying process, and I have no way to show the VHS recordings anyway. At best I could upload a photo of my screen and the time.

Jackerson

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Jackerson: 2012-01-25 05:21:16 am

Jackerson: 2012-01-25 05:16:46 am

2012-01-25 05:04:48 am

1.No what your saying Is not stupid.
All I mean by "real game time".
Is that the in-game timer does not keep an accurate time of when you finish your game. The game timer must not count cut-scenes or something because I got a different time when I timed it.
Like you said I timed the run when I took control of the character and ended the game looking at my ranking.

2. Ok SS means single segment and that's what i'm doing I don't ever save.
By the way I don't think it saves that much time, not to save your game, but I think its way cooler for some reason.
The save runs that you are doing right now will be in a different category then mine, but i've seen games that I like segmented runs better in like super metroid, and when we're done with our runs onimusha. Until you do a SS run that is lol!.

3. The bee freak job girl. I put a soul absorber out use my absorb for one sec. to kill crab demons then shoot the bee whore with bow and arrow. (I found out you don't even need fire arrows tonight.)
Then I repeat once more. Then the soul absorber runs out. After this I do the Wind magic, Lighting loop until my magic is gone.
If she does not die right after the loop I kill her every time with fire magic as she swoops down to sting and that is the end of her "AAAAHHHOOWW!"

4. The demon bulls that sounds quicker than the way I do it.
I run up into the middle of them and use the wind magic twice and kill all the yellow bulls and finish the big guy off with 3 fires.

5. Hack and heal
Ya, I block Fortinbras mega poke move and his hits.
I also will try and avoid being grab but that barley ever works. I will eat all lasers even though some sky lasers will do heavy damage.
I will run to the opposite side of the screen when he blows fire and start hacking and eat the end of his fire.
That is my whole fortinbras fight.
I also pick up all jewels but I cut out the two jewels at the top of the tower tonight. I think I might lose maybe a minute or three picking these all up, but in the long run I think I beat every boss with just magic and maybe a couple hits, with the exception of Osric and fortinbras.

1.No what your saying Is not stupid. 
All I mean by "real game time". 
Is that the in-game timer does not keep an accurate time of when you finish your game. The game timer must not count cut-scenes or something because I got a different time when I timed it. 
Like you said I timed the run when I took control of the character and ended the game looking at my ranking.

2. Ok SS means single segment and that's what i'm doing I don't ever save. 
By the way I don't think it saves that much time, not to save your game, but I think its way cooler for some reason. 
The save runs that you are doing right now will be in a different category then mine, but i've seen games that I like segmented runs better in like super metroid, and when we're done with our runs onimusha. Until you do a SS run that is lol!.

3. The bee freak job girl. I put a soul absorber out use my absorb for one sec. to kill crab demons then shoot the bee whore with bow and arrow. (I found out you don't even need fire arrows tonight.) 
Then I repeat once more. Then the soul absorber runs out. After this I do the Wind magic, Lighting loop until my magic is gone. 
If she does not die right after the loop I kill her every time with fire magic as she swoops down to sting and that is the end of her "AAAAHHHOOWW!"

4. The demon bulls that sounds quicker than the way I do it. 
I run up into the middle of them and use the wind magic twice and kill all the yellow bulls and finish the big guy off with 3 fires.

5. Hack and heal
Ya, I block Fortinbras mega poke move and his hits. 
I also will try and avoid being grab but that barley ever works. I will eat all lasers even though some sky lasers will do heavy damage. 
I will run to the opposite side of the screen when he blows fire and start hacking and eat the end of his fire. 
That is my whole fortinbras fight.
I also pick up all jewels but I cut out the two jewels at the top of the tower tonight. I think I might lose maybe a minute or three picking these all up, but in the long run I think I beat every boss with just magic and maybe a couple hits, with the exception of Osric and fortinbras.

Jackerson

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Jackerson: 2012-01-25 05:25:29 am

2012-01-25 05:23:10 am

Zero for the last thing please invest in a capture device so we may all see your onimusha warlord speed runs.

Joshkaz make sure you keep us posted on your runs also man!

Carcinogen

2012-01-25 07:37:50 am

After I finish playing Devil May Cry 4 again, I might start playing this game again like this weekend or something. More interested in Ultimate Mode, but I think I can come up with a pretty good NG SS if I practice the bosses a bit... What kind of strategies are you guys using for the bosses?

zero shift

2012-01-25 11:30:32 am

Osrik is just run in and slash, then backdash when he goes to attack then run in and get in more slashes as soon as his attack ends. Use all your lightning magic which stuns him after each time. And get out of his way when he goes red and charges. Just slashing as much as possible and dodging.

Marcellus 1, bait him into attacks and then use fire magic. As long as he has not recovered from his attack the magic will hit his body directly. After I run out I use the fire sword normal slashes whenever I bait him, and always stay just out of his range as his magic is unblockable and some of his attacks guardbreak. Don't use lightning because he can always block it.

Clone Samanosuke. You want to wait for an opening and use magic. Pretty simple but not so easy to pull off sometimes. Your best chance is when he goes to throw a fireball, then blast him with fire magic, then thunder. I got a really good run the other day where he backed off and did his fireball twice so I used fire twice, then he shot 2 more fireballs from long range. When you block them they hit the wall and drop blue soul, and I happened to be right next to the wall they hit for a quick absorb which gave me another fire shot. He then decided to fireball me again, so I blasted him first and killed him. It was the fastest I've ever beat him.

This won't always happen though because sometimes there's not enough time to absorb and he runs straight at you. In that case use another magic.

Yellow+red bull demons - I posted that above. Still need to test criticals on the yellows bulls.

Insect demon. Hate her but Jackerson seems to have it figured out. Basically using wind will hurt her and make her drop, then you're free to use lightning. Do this as any times as your meter allows which should be 3 if you picked up the enough jewels. After that use the gun or bow. Her minions are a pain but seems like the soul absorber holds them off.

Marcellus 2. Bait him into attacks then fireball like first time. 2 fireballs to his body will break his shield. He's nasty with his 2 swords. You can back him into a corner and repeatedly stab him with the fire sword, just backstep each time and keep the range or you get the close slash, and stab forward to re-stun him. He seems to 'break out' after a while and get nastier which sword combos and guardbreaks, so get to work on dodging and timing, or hold onto some magic and blast him.

If you stay away he has a dash move that you can critical. If you can keep maintaining distance you can bait him into it and critical.

Fortinbras - I talked about him earlier so you know about not attacking the tail with magic. Just dodge everything and attack with the fire sword, then use magic on his head when he falls. If you got the magic jewels and have 3 shots of magic for each sword, you'll need all of them to kill him, so 9 'hits' to his head.

I guess just knowing his attacks and dodging is the way to go. He mixes them up randomly so you never know what he'll do next, but as long as you know what they look like it's fine.

Osrik is just run in and slash, then backdash when he goes to attack then run in and get in more slashes as soon as his attack ends. Use all your lightning magic which stuns him after each time. And get out of his way when he goes red and charges. Just slashing as much as possible and dodging.

Marcellus 1, bait him into attacks and then use fire magic. As long as he has not recovered from his attack the magic will hit his body directly. After I run out I use the fire sword normal slashes whenever I bait him, and always stay just out of his range as his magic is unblockable and some of his attacks guardbreak. Don't use lightning because he can always block it.

Clone Samanosuke. You want to wait for an opening and use magic. Pretty simple but not so easy to pull off sometimes. Your best chance is when he goes to throw a fireball, then blast him with fire magic, then thunder. I got a really good run the other day where he backed off and did his fireball twice so I used fire twice, then he shot 2 more fireballs from long range. When you block them they hit the wall and drop blue soul, and I happened to be right next to the wall they hit for a quick absorb which gave me another fire shot. He then decided to fireball me again, so I blasted him first and killed him. It was the fastest I've ever beat him.

This won't always happen though because sometimes there's not enough time to absorb and he runs straight at you. In that case use another magic.

Yellow+red bull demons - I posted that above. Still need to test criticals on the yellows bulls.

Insect demon. Hate her but Jackerson seems to have it figured out. Basically using wind will hurt her and make her drop, then you're free to use lightning. Do this as any times as your meter allows which should be 3 if you picked up the enough jewels. After that use the gun or bow. Her minions are a pain but seems like the soul absorber holds them off.

Marcellus 2. Bait him into attacks then fireball like first time. 2 fireballs to his body will break his shield. He's nasty with his 2 swords. You can back him into a corner and repeatedly stab him with the fire sword, just backstep each time and keep the range or you get the close slash, and stab forward to re-stun him. He seems to 'break out' after a while and get nastier which sword combos and guardbreaks, so get to work on dodging and timing, or hold onto some magic and blast him.

If you stay away he has a dash move that you can critical. If you can keep maintaining distance you can bait him into it and critical.

Fortinbras - I talked about him earlier so you know about not attacking the tail with magic. Just dodge everything and attack with the fire sword, then use magic on his head when he falls. If you got the magic jewels and have 3 shots of magic for each sword, you'll need all of them to kill him, so 9 'hits' to his head.

I guess just knowing his attacks and dodging is the way to go. He mixes them up randomly so you never know what he'll do next, but as long as you know what they look like it's fine.

Joshkaz

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2012-01-25 03:48:52 pm

King Wabasami

How long should I stay in the DR well? Just until I get enough for lvl 3 fire and wind orb (Which is 8 bars I think)?

Just finished the run
1:33
I really need to work on my execution for some things. For example: Getting caught on edges multiple times ;-;. Need to learn the bosses better and Kaede's parts better. Good thing I made multiple saves to practice the bosses and kaede's parts.

I got no armor (not needed at all) I got the tailisman by the insect queen just incase (not needed).

Marcellus 2 was surprisingly easy. His first part is really predictable, his second part you can pretty much corner rape him.

Fortinbras I only took damage on his purple laser to stop it early and his fire because his fire will always do the same damage no matter what armor you wear. I did use 2 medicines on him because of minor fuck ups that cost me like 50% of my life.

Btw, do you get orbs from the insect queen? Just making sure in case I missed them somehow.

kakka_rot

2012-01-25 10:30:17 pm

Remember your mantra.

You three appear to be making a lot of progress in this game, its good reading, and has been making me want to give this game another go. Sounds like 1:26 is the going rate so far, and Josh, very nice improvement from your first to your second run.

I think I'm going to run by Gamestop on my way to work this weekend and see if I can't trade a copy for an old shoe or something.