Onimusha

2012-01-25 10:59:07 pm

No orbs from Insect because she dies is a cutscene which keeps going until you're back at the keep.

A level 3 orb costs about 4 bars so yeah, 8 for 2 orbs. You need to be getting criticals if you want that soul quick enough and not spend any more time or have to enter another floor.

Jackerson

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Jackerson: 2012-01-26 01:45:45 am

2012-01-26 01:44:43 am

I messed up bad today also but for some reason my run keeps getting better.
Zero do you really think its faster to use magic on Fortinbras head instead of downing him with magic and then hitting with the fire sword?
It seemed slower.

Also on the bee girl I found out wind and then fire is way less affective than wind and lighting.

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zero shift

2012-01-26 02:28:28 am

Nice time! I wonder how much lower is possible.

I'm not sure about Fortinbras. I've done some testing and here's some results.

When using just the fire sword on his tail and head, I had to make him fall 13 times when hitting his head with the sword.

If I use the fire sword on his tail, but magic on his head, I only have to make him fall 9 times, assuming I have the meter from magic jewels to use each 3 times.

When I did my practice run where I only picked up enough jewels to launch 2 magics per sword, and using fire sword on the tail, I had to lower him 10 times, 6 for magic shots, then when that was used up I had to drop him 4 more times and use the fire sword on his head. But for the 10th time he fell after like 2 slashes which is weird and I might be wrong about the tail not taking damage, though I remember testing it years ago hitting only the tail and he wouldn't die.

Hitting the tail with magic will down him faster than anything, that I know for sure, but I haven't made a full plan out of it yet. If you have a save by him, or if you already know, can you answer some of these?

What is your pattern? Do you just use a single magic on the tail and then fire sword the head? You still get your 9 hits to the head

I can't remember but does it only take one magic attack to drop him?

Do you use any magic on the head? If you only use it for the tail, you're back to all sword attacks for tail and head. In that case you would need to drop him 13 times like I did with the sword. Well, I guess just telling me exactly what you did will explain it.

Nice time! I wonder how much lower is possible.

I'm not sure about Fortinbras. I've done some testing and here's some results.

When using just the fire sword on his tail and head, I had to make him fall 13 times when hitting his head with the sword.

If I use the fire sword on his tail, but magic on his head, I only have to make him fall 9 times, assuming I have the meter from magic jewels to use each 3 times.

When I did my practice run where I only picked up enough jewels to launch 2 magics per sword, and using fire sword on the tail, I had to lower him 10 times, 6 for magic shots, then when that was used up I had to drop him 4 more times and use the fire sword on his head. But for the 10th time he fell after like 2 slashes which is weird and I might be wrong about the tail not taking damage, though I remember testing it years ago hitting only the tail and he wouldn't die.

Hitting the tail with magic will down him faster than anything, that I know for sure, but I haven't made a full plan out of it yet. If you have a save by him, or if you already know, can you answer some of these?

What is your pattern? Do you just use a single magic on the tail and then fire sword the head? You still get your 9 hits to the head

I can't remember but does it only take one magic attack to drop him?

Do you use any magic on the head? If you only use it for the tail, you're back to all sword attacks for tail and head. In that case you would need to drop him 13 times like I did with the sword. Well, I guess just telling me exactly what you did will explain it.

Jackerson

2012-01-26 03:58:28 am

Thank you!
I killed fortinbras the way you said you killed him. I hacked him up with the fire sword and put 9 magic shots to his dome and that killed him, but it seemed slower than the way I do kill him.
I think that I can save 2 maybe three mins. by downing fortinbras with lighting, and switching to the fire sword and striking his head and then doing the same with all of the other magic attacks.
That's what I was doing on the previous runs and it seemed faster. Both runs tonight I beat fortinbras your way though.
I will try my method tom. and see if that saves me more time.

I'm really happy with this next run I did not make very many mistakes, I was on my game getting criticals on the zombie ninjas at the beginning and I did well on the boss fights especially the bee ho.

I think in the end my tank method might just pay off. I think I might be able to improve this run by 4-5mins. If I'm on my game.

Remember all of these were SS runs!

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AngerFist

2012-01-26 04:37:11 am

Angered Me, You have!

Do you think a 1:09 run is sufficient enough to send in to SDA? Smiley

Joshkaz

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Joshkaz: 2012-01-26 12:36:01 pm

2012-01-26 08:53:32 am

King Wabasami

I noticed you didnt do any dark realm. What are you doing to get souls for lvl 3 fire and wind orb?

Did some pretty massive mistakes on this run. Surprised I actually beat my old time.
Had a terrible Marcellus 2 fight, and Insect queen fight. Forgot to grab some arrows before the fight, and since I didnt get the gun I had no real way to attack her besides hoping the bugs dropped blue souls.

Jackerson

2012-01-26 08:30:07 pm

Quote from AngerFist:

Do you think a 1:09 run is sufficient enough to send in to SDA? Smiley

Can you make a run like that anger fist? If so the answer to your question is yes because the 1:16 is the best I've got so far and I think I might be able to shave off 5 to 8mins max.
I don't think we will see much more major improvement from me.

But you should look back to our old posts if your playing on xbox, because that onimusha is a efferent game all together.

Jackerson

2012-01-26 08:53:49 pm

Quote from Joshkaz:

I noticed you didnt do any dark realm. What are you doing to get souls for lvl 3 fire and wind orb?

Did some pretty massive mistakes on this run. Surprised I actually beat my old time.
Had a terrible Marcellus 2 fight, and Insect queen fight. Forgot to grab some arrows before the fight, and since I didnt get the gun I had no real way to attack her besides hoping the bugs dropped blue souls.

Ok Josh how I do the upgrades is..... I kill the skull clouds after Osric In the right order.
Here is how you find the order.
Watch which skull cloud sucks up Osric's souls then go and then kill that skull cloud, and then repeat until you kill the last one.
The most soul meter I have build from this is 5 bars

Then I was told not to do this but I think that it is time effective and necessary, I go up the ladder after Osric and kill the bull demon by running up to him doing fire magic and then stabbing him on the ground, then his souls will go to the hidden skull cloud, follow the soul trail quick and do a upward thrust with the fire sword before it runs to DR.
after that the souls will go back to the skull cloud by where the bull demon was killed before, then kill that skull cloud the same way.
You should now have 7 soul bars and you can level your fire and thunder orb up to x2 then save the rest for wind orb x2.
After that all the other souls you gain you save for fire orb x3 and wind orb x3 don't level up lighting x3 until right before the bee, skip the gun.

If you look at the other post we made me and zero talk about how to fight the bee with no gun.

Good luck! your doing great!

[quote="Joshkaz"]I noticed you didnt do any dark realm. What are you doing to get souls for lvl 3 fire and wind orb?

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Did some pretty massive mistakes on this run. Surprised I actually beat my old time. 
Had a terrible Marcellus 2 fight, and Insect queen fight. Forgot to grab some arrows before the fight, and since I didnt get the gun I had no real way to attack her besides hoping the bugs dropped blue souls.[/quote]

Ok Josh how I do the upgrades is..... I kill the skull clouds after Osric In the right order. 
Here is how you find the order. 
Watch which skull cloud sucks up Osric's souls then go and then kill that skull cloud, and then repeat until you kill the last one. 
The most soul meter I have build from this is 5 bars

Then I was told not to do this but I think that it is time effective and necessary, I go up the ladder after Osric and kill the bull demon by running up to him doing fire magic and then stabbing him on the ground, then his souls will go to the hidden skull cloud, follow the soul trail quick and do a upward thrust with the fire sword before it runs to DR. 
after that the souls will go back to the skull cloud by where the bull demon was killed before, then kill that skull cloud the same way. 
You should now have 7 soul bars and you can level your fire and thunder orb up to x2 then save the rest for wind orb x2.
After that all the other souls you gain you save for fire orb x3 and wind orb x3 don't level up lighting x3 until right before the bee, skip the gun.

If you look at the other post we made me and zero talk about how to fight the bee with no gun.

Good luck! your doing great!

zero shift

2012-01-26 11:17:37 pm

Awesome time!

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I killed fortinbras the way you said you killed him. I hacked him up with the fire sword and put 9 magic shots to his dome and that killed him, but it seemed slower than the way I do kill him.
I think that I can save 2 maybe three mins. by downing fortinbras with lighting, and switching to the fire sword and striking his head and then doing the same with all of the other magic attacks.
That's what I was doing on the previous runs and it seemed faster. Both runs tonight I beat fortinbras your way though.
I will try my method tom. and see if that saves me more time.

Could you save before him and time all the methods? I think you might be doing damage to him by hitting the tail. I need to test this again.

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Forgot to grab some arrows before the fight

How many arrows would you guys say are required for that fight? I know there's about 3 boxes directly in our path throughout the game which is a shitload, but I'd still rather not pick up any more than I really need.

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Do you think a 1:09 run is sufficient enough to send in to SDA?

On a fresh game or Ultimate mode?

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Ok Josh how I do the upgrades is..... I kill the skull clouds after Osric In the right order.

That's the way to go at the start, it's any skulls after that I'm not sure of.

As for me, I'm working on some movement options that I think work out better than running and turning at some points. Not too sure about this yet. I'll try to get done soon.

Awesome time!

[quote]I killed fortinbras the way you said you killed him. I hacked him up with the fire sword and put 9 magic shots to his dome and that killed him, but it seemed slower than the way I do kill him.
I think that I can save 2 maybe three mins. by downing fortinbras with lighting, and switching to the fire sword and striking his head and then doing the same with all of the other magic attacks.
That's what I was doing on the previous runs and it seemed faster. Both runs tonight I beat fortinbras your way though.
I will try my method tom. and see if that saves me more time.[/quote]
Could you save before him and time all the methods? I think you might be doing damage to him by hitting the tail. I need to test this again.

[quote]Forgot to grab some arrows before the fight[/quote]
How many arrows would you guys say are required for that fight? I know there's about 3 boxes directly in our path throughout the game which is a shitload, but I'd still rather not pick up any more than I really need.

[quote]Do you think a 1:09 run is sufficient enough to send in to SDA?[/quote]
On a fresh game or Ultimate mode?

[quote]Ok Josh how I do the upgrades is..... I kill the skull clouds after Osric In the right order.[/quote]
That's the way to go at the start, it's any skulls after that I'm not sure of.

As for me, I'm working on some movement options that I think work out better than running and turning at some points. Not too sure about this yet. I'll try to get done soon.

Jackerson

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Jackerson: 2012-01-27 12:03:56 am

2012-01-26 11:57:35 pm

Quote from zero shift:

Awesome time!

Quote:

I killed fortinbras the way you said you killed him. I hacked him up with the fire sword and put 9 magic shots to his dome and that killed him, but it seemed slower than the way I do kill him.
I think that I can save 2 maybe three mins. by downing fortinbras with lighting, and switching to the fire sword and striking his head and then doing the same with all of the other magic attacks.
That's what I was doing on the previous runs and it seemed faster. Both runs tonight I beat fortinbras your way though.
I will try my method tom. and see if that saves me more time.

Could you save before him and time all the methods? I think you might be doing damage to him by hitting the tail. I need to test this again.

Quote:

Forgot to grab some arrows before the fight

How many arrows would you guys say are required for that fight? I know there's about 3 boxes directly in our path throughout the game which is a shitload, but I'd still rather not pick up any more than I really need.

Quote:

Do you think a 1:09 run is sufficient enough to send in to SDA?

On a fresh game or Ultimate mode?

Quote:

Ok Josh how I do the upgrades is..... I kill the skull clouds after Osric In the right order.

That's the way to go at the start, it's any skulls after that I'm not sure of.

As for me, I'm working on some movement options that I think work out better than running and turning at some points. Not too sure about this yet. I'll try to get done soon.

Ok tonight on the fortinbras fight I tried my way again I think that they are Almost identical zero I'll time them though.

I would say you only need about 20 arrows for the bee fight

The movements? Let me know if scooting around with R1 is faster than running.
I'll do it too, It's tight! I use the scoot in a couple places already like right when you get the purity bell I do a 180 turn and scoot through the blades. Also I will get chests and scoot backwards to stairs.

I did another run tonight and did pretty well.

But there was one big boo boo.
I went retarded as Kaede and right after I got the real great arrow and replaced it with the other one I ran right passed the green key and went all the way to the door to find out it was locked! Raahhh!!!

I made a few other small mistakes but over all did well.
In the end my game time was a 1hour and 18min.

There are very few little adjustments I think I need to make but after about 6-7 more SS run attempts I will start recording some to see if I get a good one.

I think that I will submit a run that has a game time of 1hour and 12mins If I can't get that I will won't go any higher than 1hour and 14mins.

But I think this is where the rubber meets the road for me.
I want to start playing other games again like onimusha 2,3,and 4 and I want to do it casually for a while.
Then I want to get online and play Uncharted 3 every once an a while.

[quote="zero shift"]Awesome time!

[quote]I killed fortinbras the way you said you killed him. I hacked him up with the fire sword and put 9 magic shots to his dome and that killed him, but it seemed slower than the way I do kill him.
I think that I can save 2 maybe three mins. by downing fortinbras with lighting, and switching to the fire sword and striking his head and then doing the same with all of the other magic attacks.
That's what I was doing on the previous runs and it seemed faster. Both runs tonight I beat fortinbras your way though.
I will try my method tom. and see if that saves me more time.[/quote]
Could you save before him and time all the methods? I think you might be doing damage to him by hitting the tail. I need to test this again.

[quote]Forgot to grab some arrows before the fight[/quote]
How many arrows would you guys say are required for that fight? I know there's about 3 boxes directly in our path throughout the game which is a shitload, but I'd still rather not pick up any more than I really need.

[quote]Do you think a 1:09 run is sufficient enough to send in to SDA?[/quote]
On a fresh game or Ultimate mode?

[quote]Ok Josh how I do the upgrades is..... I kill the skull clouds after Osric In the right order.[/quote]
That's the way to go at the start, it's any skulls after that I'm not sure of.

As for me, I'm working on some movement options that I think work out better than running and turning at some points. Not too sure about this yet. I'll try to get done soon.

[/quote]
Ok tonight on the fortinbras fight I tried my way again I think that they are Almost identical zero I'll time them though.

I would say you only need about 20 arrows for the bee fight

The movements? Let me know if scooting around with R1 is faster than running. 
I'll do it too, It's tight! I use the scoot in a couple places already like right when you get the purity bell I do a 180 turn and scoot through the blades. Also I will get chests and scoot backwards to stairs.

I did another run tonight and did pretty well.

But there was one big boo boo.
I went retarded as Kaede and right after I got the real great arrow and replaced it with the other one I ran right passed the green key and went all the way to the door to find out it was locked! Raahhh!!!

I made a few other small mistakes but over all did well. 
In the end my game time was a 1hour and 18min.

There are very few little adjustments I think I need to make but after about 6-7 more SS run attempts I will start recording some to see if I get a good one.

I think that I will submit a run that has a game time of 1hour and 12mins If I can't get that I will won't go any higher than 1hour and 14mins.

But I think this is where the rubber meets the road for me.
I want to start playing other games again like onimusha 2,3,and 4 and I want to do it casually for a while. 
Then I want to get online and play Uncharted 3 every once an a while.

zero shift

2012-01-27 12:26:58 am

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I would say you only need about 20 arrows for the bee fight

I'm guessing those are regular arrows? Would building an extra bar upgrade to fire arrows be a good idea? Obviously the damage is higher so the amount of shots needed will lower, and the upgrade cost is really cheap too. But then, I'm not sure how much soul it would cost exactly. I'll try it out next time.

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The movements? Let me know if scooting around with R1 is faster than running.

Because of the tank controls, certain sharp corners require you to stop and turn, maybe grind the wall a little. So only these places is side-stepping and dashing more effective. Here's what I remember now, might not be in the order they appear since my memory is horrible sometimes.

1 - After getting lightning orb, run down the hall and side-step into the small space with the rope ladder box. Then step back into the hall and resume running.

2 - After clone fight, run forward and you can see the red chest that holds the evil plate. Grab it and side-step to the big box beside it, then side-step out to the well. You don't actually have to be position near the side to use the ladder, you just need to be near the rope so immediately after stepping into the opening use it. This part is really smooth.

3 - With Kaede, there is a hallway before the room with the arrow, with two archers at the far end that you can't see when running up. Run and then side-step the arrow without seeing them so you don't need to block it. Do the same thing on the way out, in which case the archers will be by the door you came in to the hallway.

4 - In the arrow room after switching it be holding R1, back-flip which will put you at the wall by the turn exactly, then side-step back into the room. You'll be in line with the box and then dash forward to be right next to it. You'll only need to turn very slightly to open it after the dash. Do it right and it's incredibly smooth and beautiful to watch.

Could be a few more but my memory is rusty at the moment.

[quote]I would say you only need about 20 arrows for the bee fight[/quote]
I'm guessing those are regular arrows? Would building an extra bar upgrade to fire arrows be a good idea? Obviously the damage is higher so the amount of shots needed will lower, and the upgrade cost is really cheap too. But then, I'm not sure how much soul it would cost exactly. I'll try it out next time.

[quote]The movements? Let me know if scooting around with R1 is faster than running.[/quote]
Because of the tank controls, certain sharp corners require you to stop and turn, maybe grind the wall a little. So only these places is side-stepping and dashing more effective. Here's what I remember now, might not be in the order they appear since my memory is horrible sometimes.

1 - After getting lightning orb, run down the hall and side-step into the small space with the rope ladder box. Then step back into the hall and resume running.

2 - After clone fight, run forward and you can see the red chest that holds the evil plate. Grab it and side-step to the big box beside it, then side-step out to the well. You don't actually have to be position near the side to use the ladder, you just need to be near the rope so immediately after stepping into the opening use it. This part is really smooth.

3 - With Kaede, there is a hallway before the room with the arrow, with two archers at the far end that you can't see when running up. Run and then side-step the arrow without seeing them so you don't need to block it. Do the same thing on the way out, in which case the archers will be by the door you came in to the hallway.

4 - In the arrow room after switching it be holding R1, back-flip which will put you at the wall by the turn exactly, then side-step back into the room. You'll be in line with the box and then dash forward to be right next to it. You'll only need to turn very slightly to open it after the dash. Do it right and it's incredibly smooth and beautiful to watch.

Could be a few more but my memory is rusty at the moment.

Jackerson

2012-01-27 02:22:37 am

Quote from zero shift:

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I would say you only need about 20 arrows for the bee fight

I'm guessing those are regular arrows? Would building an extra bar upgrade to fire arrows be a good idea? Obviously the damage is higher so the amount of shots needed will lower, and the upgrade cost is really cheap too. But then, I'm not sure how much soul it would cost exactly. I'll try it out next time.

Quote:

The movements? Let me know if scooting around with R1 is faster than running.

Because of the tank controls, certain sharp corners require you to stop and turn, maybe grind the wall a little. So only these places is side-stepping and dashing more effective. Here's what I remember now, might not be in the order they appear since my memory is horrible sometimes.

1 - After getting lightning orb, run down the hall and side-step into the small space with the rope ladder box. Then step back into the hall and resume running.

2 - After clone fight, run forward and you can see the red chest that holds the evil plate. Grab it and side-step to the big box beside it, then side-step out to the well. You don't actually have to be position near the side to use the ladder, you just need to be near the rope so immediately after stepping into the opening use it. This part is really smooth.

3 - With Kaede, there is a hallway before the room with the arrow, with two archers at the far end that you can't see when running up. Run and then side-step the arrow without seeing them so you don't need to block it. Do the same thing on the way out, in which case the archers will be by the door you came in to the hallway.

4 - In the arrow room after switching it be holding R1, back-flip which will put you at the wall by the turn exactly, then side-step back into the room. You'll be in line with the box and then dash forward to be right next to it. You'll only need to turn very slightly to open it after the dash. Do it right and it's incredibly smooth and beautiful to watch.

Could be a few more but my memory is rusty at the moment.

Yeah if you nail her with all of them it does alot of damage.
Obviously you shoot her with the soul absorber out and press the O button for a sec when the crabs come out of the water.

I will tell you how I do this fight from start to finish and I think its the best way.
Wait until the crabs and bee surround you while blocking then use wind magic it will kill a crab or two, and down the bee, then run up and lighting magic the bee with a little luck and timing it will also kill another crab, then back dash absorb souls and maybe magic, repeat this process until you are out of wind magic then throw down the soul absorber start shooting the bee with the bow, while keeping crabs of you by pressing O shoot her with all of your arrows or most of them, then she should die with two more fire magics or one more wind and lighting loop.

Ok I'll tell you the way I do it.

1. if you rapidly press X while run at an angle you can barely snag the ladder chest with out going in the corner and then when you finish the puzzle you will come out of the menu running straight for the stairs

2. I will try and remember this for the next run the side step here will save me a sec. or two but I did know about the ladder thank you.

3. I think the safest bet here is to throw a kunai as soon as you come through the door and kill the archer the other one will shoot the wall as u run up.

4. not sure but I think the 180 might be faster.

[quote="zero shift"][quote]I would say you only need about 20 arrows for the bee fight[/quote]
I'm guessing those are regular arrows? Would building an extra bar upgrade to fire arrows be a good idea? Obviously the damage is higher so the amount of shots needed will lower, and the upgrade cost is really cheap too. But then, I'm not sure how much soul it would cost exactly. I'll try it out next time.

[quote]The movements? Let me know if scooting around with R1 is faster than running.[/quote]
Because of the tank controls, certain sharp corners require you to stop and turn, maybe grind the wall a little. So only these places is side-stepping and dashing more effective. Here's what I remember now, might not be in the order they appear since my memory is horrible sometimes.

1 - After getting lightning orb, run down the hall and side-step into the small space with the rope ladder box. Then step back into the hall and resume running.

2 - After clone fight, run forward and you can see the red chest that holds the evil plate. Grab it and side-step to the big box beside it, then side-step out to the well. You don't actually have to be position near the side to use the ladder, you just need to be near the rope so immediately after stepping into the opening use it. This part is really smooth.

3 - With Kaede, there is a hallway before the room with the arrow, with two archers at the far end that you can't see when running up. Run and then side-step the arrow without seeing them so you don't need to block it. Do the same thing on the way out, in which case the archers will be by the door you came in to the hallway.

4 - In the arrow room after switching it be holding R1, back-flip which will put you at the wall by the turn exactly, then side-step back into the room. You'll be in line with the box and then dash forward to be right next to it. You'll only need to turn very slightly to open it after the dash. Do it right and it's incredibly smooth and beautiful to watch.

Could be a few more but my memory is rusty at the moment.

[/quote]
Yeah if you nail her with all of them it does alot of damage. 
Obviously you shoot her with the soul absorber out and press the O button for a sec when the crabs come out of the water.

I will tell you how I do this fight from start to finish and I think its the best way.
Wait until the crabs and bee surround you while blocking then use wind magic it will kill a crab or two, and down the bee, then run up and lighting magic the bee with a little luck and timing it will also kill another crab, then back dash absorb souls and maybe magic, repeat this process until you are out of wind magic then throw down the soul absorber start shooting the bee with the bow, while keeping crabs of you by pressing O shoot her with all of your arrows or most of them, then she should die with two more fire magics or one more wind and lighting loop.

Ok I'll tell you the way I do it.

1. if you rapidly press X while run at an angle you can barely snag the ladder chest with out going in the corner and then when you finish the puzzle you will come out of the menu running straight for the stairs

2. I will try and remember this for the next run the side step here will save me a sec. or two but I did know about the ladder thank you.

3. I think the safest bet here is to throw a kunai as soon as you come through the door and kill the archer the other one will shoot the wall as u run up.

4. not sure but I think the 180 might be faster.

Joshkaz

2012-01-27 02:53:57 am

King Wabasami

I'll try the other skulls after going up the rope ladder. Usually takes me like 10 minutes at most to get 8 bars in the dark realm. If getting the extra 2 bars early does make that much of a difference its definitely faster.

zero shift

2012-01-27 03:25:51 am

Quote:

I will tell you how I do this fight from start to finish and I think its the best way.
Wait until the crabs and bee surround you while blocking then use wind magic it will kill a crab or two, and down the bee, then run up and lighting magic the bee with a little luck and timing it will also kill another crab, then back dash absorb souls and maybe magic, repeat this process until you are out of wind magic then throw down the soul absorber start shooting the bee with the bow, while keeping crabs of you by pressing O shoot her with all of your arrows or most of them, then she should die with two more fire magics or one more wind and lighting loop.

Nice strategy. Looks like you've got the best way to do it. I haven't used a soul absorber in so many years I didn't even remember what it looks like when used or how it works so thanks for the explanation.

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1. if you rapidly press X while run at an angle you can barely snag the ladder chest with out going in the corner and then when you finish the puzzle you will come out of the menu running straight for the stairs

Nice. When I do it I don't fully side-step in, just half a step but if I don't have to do even that you've saved me time. Thanks.

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3. I think the safest bet here is to throw a kunai as soon as you come through the door and kill the archer the other one will shoot the wall as u run up.

Valid, but is safer faster? You don't have to fully step and you're back to running faster than the animation is over. The same thing happen when the other shoots the wall.

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4. not sure but I think the 180 might be faster.

Possibly, but back-flip comes out faster and puts you in the exact position to side-step out of that small area. If you 180 you have turn the corner and stop and 180 there again, that's the way I see it. Anyway try it out.

[quote]I will tell you how I do this fight from start to finish and I think its the best way.
Wait until the crabs and bee surround you while blocking then use wind magic it will kill a crab or two, and down the bee, then run up and lighting magic the bee with a little luck and timing it will also kill another crab, then back dash absorb souls and maybe magic, repeat this process until you are out of wind magic then throw down the soul absorber start shooting the bee with the bow, while keeping crabs of you by pressing O shoot her with all of your arrows or most of them, then she should die with two more fire magics or one more wind and lighting loop.[/quote]

Nice strategy. Looks like you've got the best way to do it. I haven't used a soul absorber in so many years I didn't even remember what it looks like when used or how it works so thanks for the explanation.

[quote]1. if you rapidly press X while run at an angle you can barely snag the ladder chest with out going in the corner and then when you finish the puzzle you will come out of the menu running straight for the stairs[/quote]
Nice. When I do it I don't fully side-step in, just half a step but if I don't have to do even that you've saved me time. Thanks.

[quote]3. I think the safest bet here is to throw a kunai as soon as you come through the door and kill the archer the other one will shoot the wall as u run up.[/quote]
Valid, but is safer faster? You don't have to fully step and you're back to running faster than the animation is over. The same thing happen when the other shoots the wall.

[quote]4. not sure but I think the 180 might be faster.[/quote]
Possibly, but back-flip comes out faster and puts you in the exact position to side-step out of that small area. If you 180 you have turn the corner and stop and 180 there again, that's the way I see it. Anyway try it out.

Joshkaz

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2012-01-27 05:03:06 am

King Wabasami

Fourth run

It was a great run. A few minor fuck ups, but nothing too bad. Need to stop getting stuck on edges other and crap. I didn't have enough to get lvl 3 Enryuu sword didn't slow down the fortinbras fight down too much though.

I got 2 power jewels and magic jewels (power jewels probably aren't needed, but they aren't out of the way either.)
20 normal bows is enough for Insect queen. Had like 3 left after I took her down.

The fluorite I got by complete accident.
Can't really think of anything else that screwed me over besides of some bad boss fights.

Really wish the 57 minute run was up somewhere so I can see what he's doing.

Another thing. How much damage does Kaede's Sacred Knife do over the regular knife?

zero shift

2012-01-27 03:14:57 pm

Awesome time! You're making my life harder and it's now my goal to destroy you;D

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Really wish the 57 minute run was up somewhere so I can see what he's doing.

Is that run on Ultimate mode?

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Another thing. How much damage does Kaede's Sacred Knife do over the regular knife?

Not sure how much exactly. If I get to it before anyone else I'll test both by how many slashes each take to kill a regular zombie. Why do you ask? Do you have some time saving idea in mind?

Joshkaz

2012-01-27 03:23:28 pm

King Wabasami

Just wondering if its worth getting or not. If it doesn't do that much more damage im thinking of just skipping it.

zero shift

2012-01-27 03:48:48 pm

You can't. You need it to cut through those demon things blocking the way just before Yuki.

The damage will make a big difference on the boss for sure. That's the only time you really need to fight other than saving the guy for the soul absorber.

Joshkaz

2012-01-27 03:51:05 pm

King Wabasami

Huh. Didn't know you needed it to cut those demon vines.

zero shift

2012-01-27 05:13:29 pm

Yeah, I thought so too when many years ago I did a normal sword game, which also applies to Kaede so I just ran straight to the prison. The normal knife just bounces off the vines.

The other place to use the side-step that I forgot is with Kaede, at the gate where you use the silver and gold plates. After using the silver side-step to perfectly move to the gold side.

Which of the methods did you use on Fortinbras?

I used Kaede's normal knife on a basic zombie and it took 2 of her 4 hit combos to kill. I was testing this at the same time as seriously playing and stuffed up, so I forgot and reset. But I know for sure the Sacred Knife is way stronger.

Remember, if for some reason you need to kill something Kaede does have a 1-hit kill.

When saving the soldier to get the soul absorber, she can't target the archers with kunai, or at least I couldn't when I tried. I didn't test it from every range, but it doesn't look like it works.

Joshkaz

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2012-01-27 05:19:57 pm

King Wabasami

For fortinbras I just use Enryuu it hit him until he's down then use magic. Rinse repeat.
I havn't timed it, but just doing that should make the fight last for like 4 minutes. I need to time it to be sure though.

I've never had to use her issen in a run. The enemies are kind enough to not get in the way when you're using her, except the sharks (insects).

zero shift

2012-01-27 05:42:37 pm

After looking at that situation saving the guy and getting the soul absorber, I was thinking about who to kill first, archers or sword zombie.

The sword zombie takes too many hits and I want to issen him, but he likes to target the soldier and I have to mess around to get him to target me. I flipped over him and couldn't pull it off since unless you do it as they attack so they don't try to face you as you land. Guess I'll kill the archers first and come back.

Joshkaz

2012-01-27 05:47:29 pm

King Wabasami

I kill the sword guy first I usually end up killing him like right by the ladder.

Can you leave the room to get the gear real quick or will the guy die if you leave the area?
Because if he doesn't die you can kill the archers then rush to the gear, then finish the sword zombie.

zero shift

2012-01-27 06:08:15 pm

Yeah, he's in a position where we can beat him towards the ladder then the archers can't hit us. I just don't want to slash him so many times. I must be stupid but I just realized that we could kick him towards the wall under the archers then stab him on the ground safely which is way faster than slashing.

As for leaving the room, your idea is faster, but I'm not sure if they'll be there when I get back. I don't mean because they're still fighting while I'm gone and I need to hurry, I mean I think even if you exit and re-enter instantly they will be gone. I have a vague memory of this being the case but I wouldn't rely on it as my memory sucks half the time.

Joshkaz

2012-01-27 06:10:56 pm

King Wabasami

Hm. Have to test that. If that doesn't work then killing the archers first, ,kick the sword zombie down then stab will probably be the fastest way.