Onimusha

2012-01-27 07:22:51 pm

Wow! Josh great time man!

I don't know if I'll ever beat that! Josh are you also doing SS runs? If so that's great! If not that's great! Anyway this is a great time!

But I will try a little longer at this run just to see.

The reason why I've been in such a hurry to complete this run, is because i'm having my first baby in feb.

I'm happy to see everyone's really getting into this!

Josh... Do you have a video capture device? If so will you record your runs I hope?

The 57min run is in Ultimate mode from what the poster of the post said.
But I will try and do some searching on that tonight.

Firefox has a page translator add-on if no one knows. I believe this is the best one https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/quick-translator/?src=cb-dl-mostpopular
that's how I read that site that he posted.

I will search the leaders names in Japanese on youtube and see what comes up.

zero shift

2012-01-27 07:24:53 pm

Just tested if you can leave the soldiers and you can't. They'll disappear as soon as you leave.

Kicking the zombie under the archers and down stab works perfectly.

Joshkaz

2012-01-27 07:36:18 pm

King Wabasami

I do have a Capture device and its SS.

Jackerson

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2012-01-27 07:47:26 pm

Quote from Joshkaz:

I do have a Capture device and its SS.

Sweet man! You should get on recording some of those runs, and post them on youtube so we can watch!

I like that you and zero got so into this!
Do you think you will run the other onimusha's also man?

Joshkaz

2012-01-27 08:01:07 pm

King Wabasami

I'll probably do 3. Don't like 2 as much as 1 and 3.

zero shift

2012-01-27 08:42:01 pm

I just found a little something for the clone Samanosuke fight. As soon as the battle starts, you've got a small window to attack before he starts moving. I think he will move as soon as you do, but if not you've got like 2 seconds. Not too sure about this right now.

What's weird is you can't lock onto him while he's just standing there like that so magic could miss but I've found you can get 2 fire sword slashes from your starting position for free. It reaches him without you having to move forward.

Joshkaz

2012-01-27 08:50:33 pm

King Wabasami

If you can land wind magic or lightning magic on him at the start of the fight it'll make the fight go a little faster. Nice find.

zero shift

2012-01-27 09:32:35 pm

Lightning works. Wind hits but not as many times as it would up close. Don't know about fire but even if it does I'd rather keep that for countering his fireball.

zero shift

2012-01-28 02:39:06 am

When trapping Marcellus 2 in the corner with fire sword stabs, it only works for 7 hits, then he blocks and counters. After this if you try again he doesn't take any hit-stun making it impossible to trap him again. At this point he also starts using all his dangerous combos and guardbreaks. I'm guessing when he reaches a certain damage limit he goes into this mode.

This is after I've unloaded all my magic and trapped him. I can still only use 2 magics even after using 3 power jewels, but the good thing is it leaves enough in the meter that even a small soul orb will give me another shot.

zero shift

2012-01-28 02:56:16 am

Ok, so it's definitely a damage limit thing, since I can't trap him if I leave it until later. I guess then, it would be best to trap him early then use magic.

zero shift

2012-01-28 08:21:06 pm

Going to re-think my soul building strategy.

Issen one of those black armor zombies gives like 450 soul. There's 2 in that area with the archers above. I was going to exit and keep killing the zombie but the second time was just 1 then none.

Starting to want to run Oni 2 now.

Joshkaz

2012-01-28 08:25:47 pm

King Wabasami

Doesn't seem necessary.
Orsik
Soul skulls after returning to Orsiks area
Kill the armor minotaur with Issen, let a skull absorb Issen it, repeat with the second.
after that bosses will give enough souls for w/e.
but, I did only get enryuu to lvl 2 with that so maybe killing those 2 with issen will give me enough for lvl 3?

zero shift

2012-01-28 09:36:21 pm

I kill the minotaur in rope ladder area with issen like you said and repeat. Can get about 2 bars here. Along with Osrik's stuff there's enough to put every orb to level 2.

Then I get the soul from Marcellus which I'll hold onto until the the lv3 areas. From level 2 to 3 it's 4 bars each so I'm thinking about how to get these. Should also get a decent amount from the clone.

In the rope ladder area are yellow bull and spike rollers with skulls later. I like this area because it's small and I don't have to chase down the skulls unlike the outside of keep area.

Not sure how much I can get here but yellow bulls drop a lot from issen, combined with skulls.

I definitely want Enryuu at lv3. It might pay to quickly issen any black armor when you find them.

Just trying to do this so don't waste a second.

I tried Issen on the yellow+red bull boss. No matter what weapon used none use the dash animation so they can only be killed one at a time making this method is useless.

Did you get all the magic jewels?

I kill the minotaur in rope ladder area with issen like you said and repeat. Can get about 2 bars here. Along with Osrik's stuff there's enough to put every orb to level 2.

Then I get the soul from Marcellus which I'll hold onto until the the lv3 areas. From level 2 to 3 it's 4 bars each so I'm thinking about how to get these. Should also get a decent amount from the clone.

In the rope ladder area are yellow bull and spike rollers with skulls later. I like this area because it's small and I don't have to chase down the skulls unlike the outside of keep area.

Not sure how much I can get here but yellow bulls drop a lot from issen, combined with skulls.

I definitely want Enryuu at lv3. It might pay to quickly issen any black armor when you find them.

Just trying to do this so don't waste a second.

I tried Issen on the yellow+red bull boss. No matter what weapon used none use the dash animation so they can only be killed one at a time making this method is useless.

Did you get all the magic jewels?

Joshkaz

2012-01-28 09:40:30 pm

King Wabasami

I get two.
Power and Magic jewels

Power jewel from the decoding chest by the second save and p the stairs where the lvl 2 fire orb door is for the piece of the crest.
Magic jewel I get the first one in the game (the chest by where you get out from underground), and the one by the insect queen with sam (Decode chest.)

zero shift

2012-01-28 09:42:30 pm

Ok, cool. Why don't you grab the one in the chest with Kaede?

Joshkaz

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2012-01-28 09:52:42 pm

King Wabasami

Which one is that? I skip like every chest with Kaede besides the ones I need to progress in the story.
Also, on my 1:11 run I got to the Final save at 1:05

So, it probably took 5 minutes to beat fortinbras, maybe less.

I see, its right there by the save/gear I'll get it from now on.

Joshkaz

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2012-01-28 11:58:04 pm

King Wabasami

Hm. Theres 3 skulls in the area with the yellow minotaur after Orsick? I never encountered the third one here before.
Did a run earlier and I somehow ended up a few souls short of getting Wind orb to lvl 3. Not sure how? Might have not absorbed enough souls during the boss fights themselves or something.

Joshkaz

2012-01-29 12:49:16 am

King Wabasami

Looking at that japanese page translated
The most souls we need looks to be 18000-18140
So:
Thunder Sword 1/ orb 2
Fire sword 2/ orb 3
Wind sword 1 / orb 3

With 39 enemies probably being the most we have to kill.

zero shift

2012-01-29 02:23:58 am

I stuffed up some information. The black zombies don not give 450. My eyesight sucks and the + sign beside the numbers made it look like that, or maybe because I got them both in one critical, but they aren't worth that much alone.

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Theres 3 skulls in the area with the yellow minotaur after Orsick? I never encountered the third one here before.

The yellow one after Osrik is later, can't remember when exactly even though I did it today. I think it's when coming back to use the decorated sword.

I've been thinking of a new absorb strategy when I realized you don't have to fight the yellow and red bull and can just grab the decorated sword.

Only problem is you need the soul right after because lv 3 wind is the next door. I've been working on an idea that requires killing the 2 black zombies, which will give enough to get lv3 wind after the bulls, but only if you kill the yellow bulls with the red, then skip the red. Leaves with just enough to get the lv3 wind.

Then on the way back you can issen the yellow bulls with skull cloud really quick which should generate the needed souls for lv3 lightning, and maybe even lv2 fire sword. There are quite a few black zombies on the way that you can issen quickly for sword upgrade.

I haven't attempted this yet so I can't say how fast it is but it sounds good in theory.

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With 39 enemies probably being the most we have to kill.

What is this based on? Critical? and what about different enemy types that give different soul count?

I stuffed up some information. The black zombies don not give 450. My eyesight sucks and the + sign beside the numbers made it look like that, or maybe because I got them both in one critical, but they aren't worth that much alone.

[quote]Theres 3 skulls in the area with the yellow minotaur after Orsick? I never encountered the third one here before.[/quote]
The yellow one after Osrik is later, can't remember when exactly even though I did it today. I think it's when coming back to use the decorated sword.

I've been thinking of a new absorb strategy when I realized you don't have to fight the yellow and red bull and can just grab the decorated sword.

Only problem is you need the soul right after because lv 3 wind is the next door. I've been working on an idea that requires killing the 2 black zombies, which will give enough to get lv3 wind after the bulls, but only if you kill the yellow bulls with the red, then skip the red. Leaves with just enough to get the lv3 wind.

Then on the way back you can issen the yellow bulls with skull cloud really quick which should generate the needed souls for lv3 lightning, and maybe even lv2 fire sword. There are quite a few black zombies on the way that you can issen quickly for sword upgrade.

I haven't attempted this yet so I can't say how fast it is but it sounds good in theory.

[quote]With 39 enemies probably being the most we have to kill.[/quote]
What is this based on? Critical? and what about different enemy types that give different soul count?

Joshkaz

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2012-01-29 11:37:43 am

King Wabasami

the third soul skull was right after Orsik.
Second time being in the rope area (First time was laying down the rope)
I Issen'd the yellow minotaur it went to the skull by the rope, issen'd went back to the one by the door and there were 2 there instead of one.

on the 58 minute run.
He killed 39 enemies and had 18140 souls at the end.
Which is enough for Lightning orb 2,fire orb 3, Wind orb 3 and probably fire sword 2 (might be really close though)
if the game counts boss kills in that counter that'll be 10 (counting yellow minos with red one)

so 29 left with 4 zombies you must kill at the start.

25 left, 4 skulls in orsiks area, 21.

with 3 (or 4?) enemies right after oricks area
18 or 17 left.

4 that you have to kill with Kaede
14 or 13

Then theres the insects insect queen brings out, and depending if the game counts them if she kills them. The kill count is pretty random here.

Jackerson

2012-01-29 09:09:34 pm

Quote from zero shift:

Going to re-think my soul building strategy.

Issen one of those black armor zombies gives like 450 soul. There's 2 in that area with the archers above. I was going to exit and keep killing the zombie but the second time was just 1 then none.

Starting to want to run Oni 2 now.

Wanting to run oni 2! yes!

Jackerson

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2012-01-29 09:20:50 pm

Sorry I've been gone a while my week got real busy.

I just read all of your post though and got up to date on this run.

While I was away.
I came up with a new strategy that I was thinking of trying, or you guys can try it first if you feel like it.

It might be a bad time trade, but maybe it would save mins.

I found out that in the fight fortinbras you can use the soul absorber once and gain all of your magic back.

I have two Idea's the first don't use the soul absorber on the bee. The second Get the soul absorber on the top of the tower by the wind door level 3, and then use one on the bee, and one on fortinbras (I don't know if this is worth the extra min. up there though, but maybe.)

Let me know what you guys think.

Joshkaz

2012-01-29 09:35:21 pm

King Wabasami

I was bored and decided to fight Fortinbras on save for the 1:11 run.
I somehow killed Fortinbras a minute faster making the end run 1:10.

Going to try to use Forward+Attack with Enryuu to knock him down then magic for the head it might be faster. Going to do it again to test it.

Fortinbras drops enough blue souls so getting another Soul absorber seems pointless. It's worth a try though.

Jackerson

2012-01-29 09:37:11 pm

Quote from Joshkaz:

the third soul skull was right after Orsik.
Second time being in the rope area (First time was laying down the rope)
I Issen'd the yellow minotaur it went to the skull by the rope, issen'd went back to the one by the door and there were 2 there instead of one.

on the 58 minute run.
He killed 39 enemies and had 18140 souls at the end.
Which is enough for Lightning orb 2,fire orb 3, Wind orb 3 and probably fire sword 2 (might be really close though)
if the game counts boss kills in that counter that'll be 10 (counting yellow minos with red one)

so 29 left with 4 zombies you must kill at the start.

25 left, 4 skulls in orsiks area, 21.

with 3 (or 4?) enemies right after oricks area
18 or 17 left.

4 that you have to kill with Kaede
14 or 13

Then theres the insects insect queen brings out, and depending if the game counts them if she kills them. The kill count is pretty random here.

Did you ever find any videos to the 58min speed run? If not I will try and use my computer genius friend to track them down, or verify if they are real.

[quote="Joshkaz"]the third soul skull was right after Orsik. 
Second time being in the rope area (First time was laying down the rope) 
I Issen'd the yellow minotaur it went to the skull by the rope, issen'd went back to the one by the door and there were 2 there instead of one.

on the 58 minute run.
He killed 39 enemies and had 18140 souls at the end. 
Which is enough for Lightning orb 2,fire orb 3, Wind orb 3 and probably fire sword 2 (might be really close though)
if the game counts boss kills in that counter that'll be 10 (counting yellow minos with red one)

so 29 left with 4 zombies you must kill at the start.

25 left, 4 skulls in orsiks area, 21.

with 3 (or 4?) enemies right after oricks area
18 or 17 left.

4 that you have to kill with Kaede 
14 or 13

Then theres the insects insect queen brings out, and depending if the game counts them if she kills them. The kill count is pretty random here.

[/quote]
Did you ever find any videos to the 58min speed run? If not I will try and use my computer genius friend to track them down, or verify if they are real.

zero shift

2012-01-29 09:41:06 pm

I hate it when I have everything figured out then something that's never happened before takes place and ruins it. Two things.

First, when fighting insect boss, a glitch where you can no longer aim up at the boss can happen. No matter where I stood and even with no enemies around it would not target her. I could only fire in a straight line.

I'm sure this has something to do with equipping the bow, then using the soul absorber without exiting the menu. I'm not sure because it doesn't always happen, but it has happened so many times to me now I can safely call it a regular occurrence. Today used the soul absorber, exited menu, entered menu again to equip bow, then exit. I couldn't aim up anymore. I'm not sure if this is exactly what's triggering it as I've never tested it properly.

Second thing is the eye lasers of Fortinbras. I took damage and he didn't stop firing, he shot one more after. This could be either another version of that attack or maybe I got hit late and he had already begun the next one. Happened quite fast so I didn't really get a good look.

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Wanting to run oni 2! yes!

Yeah, I turned it on yesterday while I was sick of Oni 1. Chain counters need to mastered to succeed in a good run. I'll need lots of practice before I attempt it. I don't know if the cut-scenes take up time but you can't skip them on the first run. I might complete the game once so I can skip and just to practice chains. Not sure when I'll get to this.

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I found out that in the fight fortinbras you can use the soul absorber once and gain all of your magic back.

I have two Idea's the first don't use the soul absorber on the bee. The second Get the soul absorber on the top of the tower by the wind door level 3, and then use one on the bee, and one on fortinbras (I don't know if this is worth the extra min. up there though, but maybe.)

Nice find. Though I don't know how I could ever beat the bee in a good time without it.

As for climbing the tower, you'd have to time it compared to dealing with Fortinbras the normal way which isn't too bad as it is, and however long it takes to deal with the bee and her minions. I guess if you can beat the 1:11 record of Joshkaz using this method you will have proved it.

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I somehow killed Fortinbras a minute faster making the end run 1:10.

haha, awesome! But stop making my life harder! Might be to do with his random attack pattern. I've had times where he uses lasers and flame constantly which waste a bit of time. Other times he is less aggressive. I can definitely see a minute or more being saved based on how he behaves.

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Going to try to use Forward+Attack with Enryuu to knock him down then magic for the head it might be faster. Going to do it again to test it.

Forward attack could possible be stronger since it's the only attack the can stun Marcellus 2 I think. Guess you could count how many 3 hit combos it takes compared to forward stab.

I hate it when I have everything figured out then something that's never happened before takes place and ruins it. Two things.

First, when fighting insect boss, a glitch where you can no longer aim up at the boss can happen. No matter where I stood  and even with no enemies around it would not target her. I could only fire in a straight line.

I'm sure this has something to do with equipping the bow, then using the soul absorber without exiting the menu. I'm not sure because it doesn't always happen, but it has happened so many times to me now I can safely call it a regular occurrence. Today used the soul absorber, exited menu, entered menu again to equip bow, then exit. I couldn't aim up anymore. I'm not sure if this is exactly what's triggering it as I've never tested it properly.

Second thing is the eye lasers of Fortinbras. I took damage and he didn't stop firing, he shot one more after. This could be either another version of that attack or maybe I got hit late and he had already begun the next one. Happened quite fast so I didn't really get a good look.

[quote]Wanting to run oni 2! yes![/quote]
Yeah, I turned it on yesterday while I was sick of Oni 1. Chain counters need to mastered to succeed in a good run. I'll need lots of practice before I attempt it. I don't know if the cut-scenes take up time but you can't skip them on the first run. I might complete the game once so I can skip and just to practice chains. Not sure when I'll get to this.

[quote]I found out that in the fight fortinbras you can use the soul absorber once and gain all of your magic back.

I have two Idea's the first don't use the soul absorber on the bee. The second Get the soul absorber on the top of the tower by the wind door level 3, and then use one on the bee, and one on fortinbras (I don't know if this is worth the extra min. up there though, but maybe.)[/quote]
Nice find. Though I don't know how I could ever beat the bee in a good time without it.

As for climbing the tower, you'd have to time it compared to dealing with Fortinbras the normal way which isn't too bad as it is, and however long it takes to deal with the bee and her minions. I guess if you can beat the 1:11 record of Joshkaz using this method you will have proved it.

[quote]I somehow killed Fortinbras a minute faster making the end run 1:10.[/quote]
haha, awesome! But stop making my life harder! Might be to do with his random attack pattern. I've had times where he uses lasers and flame constantly which waste a bit of time. Other times he is less aggressive. I can definitely see a minute or more being saved based on how he behaves.

[quote]Going to try to use Forward+Attack with Enryuu to knock him down then magic for the head it might be faster. Going to do it again to test it.[/quote]
Forward attack could possible be stronger since it's the only attack the can stun Marcellus 2 I think. Guess you could count how many 3 hit combos it takes compared to forward stab.