Brothers - A tale of two sons

2013-09-10 08:31:06 pm

Glitching :3

I'm currently doing my first play-through of the game. It's wonderful and I love the poetry in it... It also seems like it is short, thus being a great game for speedrunning !

Even though most of the game is filled with invisible walls and that you're not free, I'm sure we'll find some interesting tricks.

I've already found a huge glitch with the pillar which skips 4 minutes in Chapter 2. I'm going to upload it as soon as possible.

Anyone interested in this game ? Grin

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Kohru

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Kohru: 2013-09-11 08:33:27 am

2013-09-11 08:32:36 am

I'm actually interested in it, I think that is a really beautiful game. Played it a couple of times and timed the third one, got a 1:47 with any kind of skip, a couple of deaths and tons of minor mistakes so I declare myself the WR Holder!

Nah just kidding it seems quite easy to learn since its pretty much linear but it also has some cool things where you can work to save time. I didn't really like that around 60-70% of the time you are not controlling the characters but i didn't mess with the save and load in checkpoints to see if these parts can be skipped somehow. As you can imagine I'm looking forward to see that glitch!

PS: Excuse my poor English, as you can imagine I'm not a native speaker.

gRnRngR

2013-09-11 10:19:45 am

Glitching :3

Hey Kohru. Dont worry for english mistakes, I'm not english either Smiley

Nice to find someone that's interested in this. Congratulations on the WR haha !

Open hidden for explanations ! (wait a little for the video to upload :D)

SORRY FOR THE HUGE LAGS @ GLITCH PART. PC had trouble, nothing to do with the glitch though, and it doesnt even help. Did it tons of time @ 60fps.

This skip saves around 4 minutes : getting to the caged troll takes 3 min instead of 7. It skips almost a third of the level, as its total time is ~15minutes.

Doing the glitch is pretty easy : as the little brother holds the pillar less high, if older brother leaves the pillar on top of the stairs, it'll start going in the ground. Then, if you manage to get it stuck on the corner on top of the stairs, little bro is launched up in the sky. Now you must get back to the stairs and get big brother to hold the pillar. Then, it's all about rubbing the wall, trying to get the pillar as HORIZONTAL as possible. If done correctly, the bros will start elevating.

Once you've done the glitch, you wont stop elevating. The only way of stoping it is to let go the pillar. There's no fall damage, and all the chapter is loaded, yet it's filled with deathwalls. Really. Filled. Almost all the wall triggers that launch cinematics are killing you if you're not there at the right time... don't ask me why.

Anyway you may be wondering "Why are you landing there ?"

If you get too far, as the brothers elevate constantly, they start getting OVER the level. There's a full floor texture set on top of it, and so basically you can't see anything after getting over it. Landing at the right spot then gets almost impossible.

Also, it's the only cinematic whose trigger is by position + it's pretty easy to land on it

Getting to the bossfight area won't launch any cine + it's full of deathwalls.

Getting to the real chapter end area right outside of the cave is ultra super hard because you're way too high. It's possible to achieve by doing a stop @ the cage and then elevate again... The chapter end cinematic trigger is loaded, but instead of launching chapter 3, it reboots the chapter... I'll upload a video of it later.

You could use the pillar to elevate and skip the cage enigma. But as the troll isnt "free", it's useless and the mecanism isnt working. It isnt even worth it as saving her is quite fast. Still it's sad having this pillar still being with you and having no use for it. Sad

Hey Kohru. Dont worry for english mistakes, I'm not english either :)

Nice to find someone that's interested in this. Congratulations on the WR haha !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jAIi1LeB18
Open hidden for explanations ! (wait a little for the video to upload :D)
[hidden]SORRY FOR THE HUGE LAGS @ GLITCH PART. PC had trouble, nothing to do with the glitch though, and it doesnt even help. Did it tons of time @ 60fps.

This skip saves around 4 minutes : getting to the caged troll takes 3 min instead of 7. It skips almost a third of the level, as its total time is ~15minutes.

Doing the glitch is pretty easy : as the little brother holds the pillar less high, if older brother leaves the pillar on top of the stairs, it'll start going in the ground. Then, if you manage to get it stuck on the corner on top of the stairs, little bro is launched up in the sky. Now you must get back to the stairs and get big brother to hold the pillar. Then, it's all about rubbing the wall, trying to get the pillar as HORIZONTAL as possible. If done correctly, the bros will start elevating.

Once you've done the glitch, you wont stop elevating. The only way of stoping it is to let go the pillar. There's no fall damage, and all the chapter is loaded, yet it's filled with deathwalls. Really. Filled. Almost all the wall triggers that launch cinematics are killing you if you're not there at the right time... don't ask me why.

Anyway you may be wondering "Why are you landing there ?"

If you get too far, as the brothers elevate constantly, they start getting OVER the level. There's a full floor texture set on top of it, and so basically you can't see anything after getting over it. Landing at the right spot then gets almost impossible.

Also, it's the only cinematic whose trigger is by position + it's pretty easy to land on it

Getting to the bossfight area won't launch any cine + it's full of deathwalls.

Getting to the real chapter end area right outside of the cave is ultra super hard because you're way too high. It's possible to achieve by doing a stop @ the cage and then elevate again... The chapter end cinematic trigger is loaded, but instead of launching chapter 3, it reboots the chapter... I'll upload a video of it later.

You could use the pillar to elevate and skip the cage enigma. But as the troll isnt "free", it's useless and the mecanism isnt working. It isnt even worth it as saving her is quite fast. Still it's sad having this pillar still being with you and having no use for it. :([/hidden]

Hilariousgamer

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Hilariousgamer: 2013-09-11 05:36:12 pm

2013-09-11 02:36:40 pm

Hilariousgamer @ Twitch

Hey! Made a quick search on the forum to see if anyone else was interested in running this game. So far I've gotten a 1:40:53 run but there are still some improvements to be made. Im definitely going to try that glitch out! Looks neat!

Glad to see im not the only one interested in running the game! Smiley

EDIT: Tried out your glitch in a run. It helped me save 5 minutes! Down to 1:36:04.

TakaShuffle

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TakaShuffle: 2013-09-12 11:05:36 am

TakaShuffle: 2013-09-12 10:58:38 am

2013-09-12 10:57:36 am

Hi,

I started to speedrun the game, too.

At the moment I'm at 1:40:17 (without any glitches). Instead of doing more run I try to find some glitches.
Thank you for the Pillar/Pipe glitch, works like a charm. But you have to be careful to not land on the statues around the cage, with one or even both brothers, then it is possible that you can't reach the trigger for the cutscene.

I found two things:

1. I managed to raise the bridge before the Goatsection extremely fast. Well, I think it saves around 1-3 seconds Cheesy

But at the moment I couldn't figure out how I did it and can't reproduce it.
Here is a video ( Sorry for the audio, this video was originally only for me Cheesy

I watched Cosmowright TWW-Run at the time. )

2. I found a glitch with goats where you can get one brother in the air. At the moment I still try to do something with it, but maybe it is completely useless.

How to do it:

The corner at that point of the map lets one brother go higher than usually. You should be able to ride the other brother under the one who is higher. Now dismount the brother at the top and let him quickly mount his goat again. Now the other Brother should be in the air.

Hi,

I started to speedrun the game, too.

At the moment I'm at 1:40:17 (without any glitches). Instead of doing more run I try to find some glitches.
Thank you for the Pillar/Pipe glitch, works like a charm. But you have to be careful to not land on the statues around the cage, with one or even both brothers, then it is possible that you can't reach the trigger for the cutscene.

I found two things:

1. I managed to raise the bridge before the Goatsection extremely fast. Well, I think it saves around 1-3 seconds :D But at the moment I couldn't figure out how I did it and can't reproduce it.
Here is a video ( Sorry for the audio, this video was originally only for me :D I watched Cosmowright TWW-Run at the time. ) 
[url]http://youtu.be/3FplmfCTQDc[/url]

2. I found a glitch with goats where you can get one brother in the air. At the moment I still try to do something with it, but maybe it is completely useless.
[url]http://youtu.be/0k7Sxti8oeg[/url]

How to do it:
[hidden]The corner at that point of the map lets one brother go higher than usually. You should be able to ride the other brother under the one who is higher. Now dismount the brother at the top and let him quickly mount his goat again. Now the other Brother should be in the air.[/hidden]

lillbrorsan

2013-09-13 08:55:58 am

Truljin @ Twitch

Been interested in running this as well but really couldn't think about any major skips or glitches, can see you found some already. Is there a full run uploaded that i could watch?

Hilariousgamer

2013-09-13 11:50:01 am

Hilariousgamer @ Twitch

Quote from lillbrorsan:

Been interested in running this as well but really couldn't think about any major skips or glitches, can see you found some already. Is there a full run uploaded that i could watch?

I've been streaming some of my runs and so far I've got a full run saved with a time of 1:36:04 here (it uses the pillar skip but has some small mistakes here and there):

http://www.twitch.tv/hilariousgamer/c/2919125

PB is down to 1:34:00 though. Going to try and stream some more tonight. If anyone is interested in watching, you can find me here:

http://www.twitch.tv/hilariousgamer

Glhf with your runs! Smiley

gRnRngR

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gRnRngR: 2013-09-13 12:42:07 pm

2013-09-13 12:40:14 pm

Glitching :3

Quote from TakaShuffle:

1. I managed to raise the bridge before the Goatsection extremely fast. Well, I think it saves around 1-3 seconds Cheesy

But at the moment I couldn't figure out how I did it and can't reproduce it.
Here is a video ( Sorry for the audio, this video was originally only for me Cheesy

I watched Cosmowright TWW-Run at the time. )

Hey ! Thanks for these discoveries. I found a faster way to do the bridge section :

It's not insane or glitched, you can just jump without grapping the windmill. It saves 3 or 4 seconds I think.

Quote from TakaShuffle:

2. I found a glitch with goats where you can get one brother in the air. At the moment I still try to do something with it, but maybe it is completely useless.

Nice find ! I tried to mess with it a little... You can manage to get both brothers on top, but as soon as the one who's not OOB reaches the checkpoint, the cinematic launches and the glitch is lost...
And if you let go the goat, you just fall to your death... I'll try a little more but i dont see a real use for this now. Maybe going the other way (to the right), to try to reach the trigger being OOB way under it ? Triggers work as boxes I think, as being WAY on top of it doesnt trigger them (as in the pillar skip). The feature of the game is it's biggest problem, : the brothers must remain very close ! :p

[quote="TakaShuffle"]
1. I managed to raise the bridge before the Goatsection extremely fast. Well, I think it saves around 1-3 seconds :D But at the moment I couldn't figure out how I did it and can't reproduce it.
Here is a video ( Sorry for the audio, this video was originally only for me :D I watched Cosmowright TWW-Run at the time. ) 
[url]http://youtu.be/3FplmfCTQDc[/url]
[/quote]

Hey ! Thanks for these discoveries. I found a faster way to do the bridge section :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvE4wW-9kuc
It's not insane or glitched, you can just jump without grapping the windmill. It saves 3 or 4 seconds I think.

[quote="TakaShuffle"]
2. I found a glitch with goats where you can get one brother in the air. At the moment I still try to do something with it, but maybe it is completely useless.
[/quote]

Nice find ! I tried to mess with it a little... You can manage to get both brothers on top, but as soon as the one who's not OOB reaches the checkpoint, the cinematic launches and the glitch is lost...
And if you let go the goat, you just fall to your death... I'll try a little more but i dont see a real use for this now. Maybe going the other way (to the right), to try to reach the trigger being OOB way under it ? Triggers work as boxes I think, as being WAY on top of it doesnt trigger them (as in the pillar skip). The feature of the game is it's biggest problem, : the brothers must remain very close ! :p

Shoryueppa

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Shoryueppa: 2013-09-13 12:48:42 pm

2013-09-13 12:45:59 pm

twitch.tv/ShoryueppaAU

Managed to complete my first run ever which was glitchless at 1:43:26 looks like I have a lot of catching up to do Smiley

I'll put a link here.

http://www.twitch.tv/shoryueppaau/c/2924967 - Part 1
http://www.twitch.tv/shoryueppaau/c/2924981 - Part 2

I believe I can get it down to <1:35 if I can not get confused with the controls, glitchless. But i'll have to incorporate that pillar/pipe skip if I want to keep up.

TakaShuffle

2013-09-13 02:33:36 pm

Hi, today I had a nice run. Only some minor things I have to tweak.
Have fun

Time: 1:33:04.59 (with glitch)
http://www.twitch.tv/takashuffle/c/2924808

lillbrorsan

2013-09-13 03:56:18 pm

Truljin @ Twitch

Did some testing and managed to do the goat glitch, really strange how it behaves (probably related to the actual path) and the glitch where you can fly inside the cave, although i have a hard time finding my way to the end Tongue

TakaShuffle

2013-09-13 05:20:03 pm

Quote from lillbrorsan:

Did some testing and managed to do the goat glitch, really strange how it behaves (probably related to the actual path) and the glitch where you can fly inside the cave, although i have a hard time finding my way to the end Tongue

Yeah, like I said this glitch has no use at the moment, as long as we can't get both brothers out of bounds. If we can get it to work we could probably ride to the trigger of the plane-crashing cutscene or even further to the top of the tower because there are no loading screens in between. I'll try and look more into it again tomorrow.

gRnRngR

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gRnRngR: 2013-09-13 05:36:35 pm

2013-09-13 05:36:13 pm

Glitching :3

I found 2 new ways of getting out of bounds with the help of goats... BUT both need the other brother to be in bounds Sad

The first one is pretty easy and works everywhere. You just have to get one brother in a corner, get him blocked by the other one, then turn around. If you then release the trigger of the blocked one, the goat will start walking by itself. If you manage to keep it stuck for a moment, the boy on top will get off by himself, breaching through everything that's behind the goat. Didnt found any use for it, and you dont keep your height : you fall once you leave the floor...

The second one is hard to achieve, and I couldn't even do it more than once, and I wasn't recording. Anyway the video is a failed attempt that is the closest I could achieve while recording. You can force a goat to fall down the last pit and get on it after that. If you manage to get on the goat without triggering the cinematic you can fly as with the glitch TakaShuffle found.

I found 2 new ways of getting out of bounds with the help of goats... BUT both need the other brother to be in bounds :(

[hidden]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6gupSAwHME

The first one is pretty easy and works everywhere. You just have to get one brother in a corner, get him blocked by the other one, then turn around. If you then release the trigger of the blocked one, the goat will start walking by itself. If you manage to keep it stuck for a moment, the boy on top will get off by himself, breaching through everything that's behind the goat. Didnt found any use for it, and you dont keep your height : you fall once you leave the floor...

The second one is hard to achieve, and I couldn't even do it more than once, and I wasn't recording. Anyway the video is a failed attempt that is the closest I could achieve while recording. You can force a goat to fall down the last pit and get on it after that. If you manage to get on the goat without triggering the cinematic you can fly as with the glitch TakaShuffle found.
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Shoryueppa

2013-09-14 05:03:06 am

What are your biggest mistakes and hindrances so far guys? I'm finding in certain areas I'm still getting the brother's controls confused e.g. Left stick for red and right stick for blue instead of viceversa. But I'm always optimising every run I do and have gotten a glitchless 1:38:30. I may post up a video of a few optimisations I have that are subtle but can shave off many seconds from a run.

Hilariousgamer

2013-09-14 05:17:31 am

Hilariousgamer @ Twitch

Quote from Shoryueppa:

What are your biggest mistakes and hindrances so far guys? I'm finding in certain areas I'm still getting the brother's controls confused e.g. Left stick for red and right stick for blue instead of viceversa. But I'm always optimising every run I do and have gotten a glitchless 1:38:30. I may post up a video of a few optimisations I have that are subtle but can shave off many seconds from a run.

Dude, I totally understand the confussion with the controls. Happens a lot to me during the tower section. Often I find it easiest to just stop for a moment, take a deep breath and the it gets back to you. Sometimes your brain just freeze up ^^

When it comes to optimizing, the best thing I found so far is this quick "dogrun" section: http://www.twitch.tv/hilariousgamer/c/2929017

I don't know how much faster it is than doing it the normal way, maybe a few seconds.

gRnRngR

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2013-09-14 05:56:32 am

Glitching :3

Quote from Hilariousgamer:

Quote from Shoryueppa:

I'm still getting the brother's controls confused e.g. Left stick for red and right stick for blue instead of viceversa.

When it comes to optimizing, the best thing I found so far is this quick "dogrun" section: http://www.twitch.tv/hilariousgamer/c/2929017

I don't know how much faster it is than doing it the normal way, maybe a few seconds.

I'M ALSO SO CONFUSED SOMETIMES;

That dogrun looks so cool Cheesy

Well done, that's a great find.

Found a little something that could MAYBE help us break the cine triggers...

If you mash pause during the invisible monster cinematic, the trigger for the little brother to start running doesnt start, as shown in this video (open hidden) :

the way little bro dies without the monster even facing him gets me every time

I'm aware it is super strange and, right now, USELESS. I'm sure it's all about the pausing, though. I'm not sure if it's related to the fact that i'm pausing/unpausing or that at a specific moment, the game being paused skips the trigger...

If someone can help and take some time to experiment with that on other cinematics, that'll be so kind
I'm not done yet with the game and I dont wanna ruin my experience.

Funny thing to end :
You can get recue the girl without being covered in blood if you walk to the extreme left !
Doesnt save time though Sad

http://puu.sh/4qX5u.png

[quote="Hilariousgamer"][quote="Shoryueppa"] I'm still getting the brother's controls confused e.g. Left stick for red and right stick for blue instead of viceversa.[/quote]

When it comes to optimizing, the best thing I found so far is this quick "dogrun" section: http://www.twitch.tv/hilariousgamer/c/2929017

I don't know how much faster it is than doing it the normal way, maybe a few seconds.[/quote]

I'M ALSO SO CONFUSED SOMETIMES;

That dogrun looks so cool :D Well done, that's a great find.

Found a [u]little[/u] something that could [u]MAYBE[/u] help us break the cine triggers...

If you mash pause during the invisible monster cinematic, the trigger for the little brother to start running doesnt start, as shown in this video (open hidden) :

[hidden]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHv0INYW6og[/hidden]
[size="8"][i]the way little bro dies without the monster even facing him gets me every time[/i][/size]

I'm aware it is super strange and, right now, USELESS. I'm sure it's all about the pausing, though. I'm not sure if it's related to the fact that i'm pausing/unpausing or that at a specific moment, the game being paused skips the trigger...

[b]If someone can help and take some time to experiment with that on other cinematics, that'll be so kind :)[/b]
I'm not done yet with the game and I dont wanna ruin my experience.

Funny thing to end :
You can get recue the girl without being covered in blood if you walk to the extreme left !
Doesnt save time though :(
http://puu.sh/4qX5u.png

lillbrorsan

2013-09-14 08:30:16 am

Truljin @ Twitch

Quote from TakaShuffle:

Yeah, like I said this glitch has no use at the moment, as long as we can't get both brothers out of bounds. If we can get it to work we could probably ride to the trigger of the plane-crashing cutscene or even further to the top of the tower because there are no loading screens in between. I'll try and look more into it again tomorrow.

Did manage to go right with the older brother but eventually had to restart as he was too far away.

Shoryueppa

2013-09-14 08:37:11 am

twitch.tv/ShoryueppaAU

I'm havign a lot of trouble with the pillarglitch, i'm able to get both brothers in the air, but just get lost while walking through the mountains? Any advice?

gRnRngR

2013-09-14 12:22:11 pm

Glitching :3

Quote from Shoryueppa:

I'm havign a lot of trouble with the pillarglitch, i'm able to get both brothers in the air, but just get lost while walking through the mountains? Any advice?

Well it's pretty simple once you get used to it : it's almost straighforward.

You have to go right to the zone you crossed before with the fence that only little bro can pass through. Once you're here, you must turn to the left a little, and then go straight that way. If you always keep one direction, you won't be too high and you will certainly be able to see what's under you. Dont hesitate to stop and to turn the camera, making it go inside the rock, and you'll be able to see through them.

Make multiple tries : if you get to the bossfight area, you went too much to the left, if you fall to you death in shadows, you may went WAY too much to the left or a little too much to the right.

Hilariousgamer

2013-09-15 08:03:46 am

Hilariousgamer @ Twitch

Found this interesting glitch yesterday while practicing the tower section:

Don't know if it can be used for anything. So far I've only gotten launched OOB but nothing more. Figured I post it for you guys to try out!

gRnRngR

2013-09-15 10:17:01 am

Glitching :3

Quote from Hilariousgamer:

Found this interesting glitch yesterday while practicing the tower section:

Don't know if it can be used for anything. So far I've only gotten launched OOB but nothing more. Figured I post it for you guys to try out!

Found almost the same yesterday too ! If we managed to do it the other way, we could get launched after all the statues...

Another cine that can be broken with pausing :

It just locks... You have to quit to main menu. I'm gonna start the game over and try that out in all the cines. This one is the only one that is breakable, from the invisible monster to the end of the game.
All I can say is that it looks like it works in the cinematics without "custom" animations, while the character is supposed to walk. Each time you pause, the game starts at the same moment but the walking animation gets taken back a little.

Hilariousgamer

2013-09-16 05:50:44 pm

Hilariousgamer @ Twitch

Got a new PB this night - 1:31:40 - http://www.twitch.tv/hilariousgamer/c/2945515

Only did some small mistakes like not getting the windmill skip and delaying a little bit a the tower. Other than that it was a pretty solid run! I think that sub 1:31 could be possible, although it's going to be hard.

If we find anymore skips like the pillar skip, then it's going to be easy, without that I think its just a bunch of polishing! Definitely possible though!

Baikonur

2014-01-25 02:59:57 pm

I haven't found any uses for it yet, but pressing the Pause/Break key on a Windows keyboard has an interesting effect on the game (both normally and when the game is paused), that might maybe proof useful for glitches.

Bestio

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Bestio: 2014-06-19 12:58:52 am

2014-06-19 12:58:15 am

I've just started running this game and I got a 1'34'01 yesterday evening : http://www.twitch.tv/bestiyo/c/4492678

I died sadly one time at the windmill (probably jump too late for the mini cut), one little mistake during the first chapter, the whale trolled me a bit and the "yeti" killed me one time at the end when you have to run to escape :/

I'll try to improve this time next week. Still some runners here or everybody have left the game ?

Bestio

2014-06-28 12:29:01 am

Got a new PB last night and the WR as well Smiley

1'30'58 : http://www.twitch.tv/bestiyo/c/4552208

I'm really really happy with this run !