Watch Dogs

2014-06-25 07:42:16 pm

You're welcome. It's always nice to have more runners for this game.

That's a nice improvement in A1M5 with the cameras.

The bike strats for A1M7 shouldn't be that risky. It just takes some practice. And the blackout is extremely consistent for the mission; it should work if you drive correctly. Those cars are completely blind if you don't crash your bike.

You should have hotkeys with your split program (Wsplit, LiveSplit, etc.). You can enable and configure hotkeys in the settings.

Wolfsta

2014-06-25 07:49:32 pm

I have the hotkeys + Global hotkeys, but they do not work if you are inside the game.
Google seems to tell me "that's just the way it is" some games work with WSplit, some dont.
Also tried llanfair, same issue

Random_Machine

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Random_Machine: 2014-06-25 07:53:57 pm

2014-06-25 07:53:37 pm

Are you playing in windowed mode? Or is your game in full screen?

It should work in windowed mode.

Wolfsta

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Wolfsta: 2014-06-25 07:56:38 pm

2014-06-25 07:55:57 pm

Just fixed it, wsplit needs to run in admin mode.
Feel stupid now :p

Ouga

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Ouga: 2014-06-25 09:51:55 pm

Ouga: 2014-06-25 09:48:40 pm

2014-06-25 08:29:39 pm

About timing: I start my runs when your timer is at 4:20. No big difference, but IMO it makes sense, that's when you get control of your character (I put my hand on mouse and start at same time as I start moving the mouse). I also split a lot later for A1M9, I always aim to split when "mission complete" shows up. So I guess my difference to this timing would be <4:00.

I only do full runs, but I think my best for A1 has been 48:30. SOBS is 45:10 and not all missions have had any "perfect" split yet. I do no reset runs so not extreme A1's have happened yet. By my standards sub50 is ok run, and I wish to get possibly sub47 on upcoming runs.

I really just checked the timing differences, but you should def do A1M9 escape totally different. Disrupting heli at the roof once is totally enough, after that just driving to north is the fastest way to get rid of them. This is also pretty much necessary for any run continuing from there, since next mission is towards northwest. Also bike is pretty much the choice for everything from A1M2 to A1M7. Can check for the right route I guess from my twitch.tv/ougaa past broadcasts, I should be doing up-to-date strats on everything. While there's active routing done here by machine, I'm the only one reeeeeeally doing runs.

edit: ok checked couple of your things again. Hacking strat for A1M5 actually was talked of here couple pages ago, and I've been using it for 5 days or so. Using bike in getting in is still def faster, and it's actually important to get out faster aswell: you'll get to better location to be in right spot for start of A1M6 before it's given. Also A1M7 bike strats are a must, I'd see you losing a minute there which isn't very optimal. And A1M8 truck is too much. I rely a bit on focus there if I miss first burst at the guy. Just a normal car is enough to hide behind after that. It's only 6 guys, and at least 2 should be killed before they got out of car, so it's quite safe. Also I tend to use jamcom for any civilian calling help on that mission. It's a small thing, but a jamcom there is affordable and worth it even if it's only 5sec to drive over/by the target. More often it's necessary though, since civilians are calling cops 50m away from the park.

You might be playing on normal, idk. I've done run on both easy and hard, and definitely felt like easy made more sense for speedrun, since hard didn't really add "skill" in it, just more camping and sneaking. I strongly feel easy should be the standard since it's not taking out really anything.

About timing: I start my runs when your timer is at 4:20. No big difference, but IMO it makes sense, that's when you get control of your character (I put my hand on mouse and start at same time as I start moving the mouse). I also split a lot later for A1M9, I always aim to split when "mission complete" shows up. So I guess my difference to this timing would be <4:00.

I only do full runs, but I think my best for A1 has been 48:30. SOBS is 45:10 and not all missions have had any "perfect" split yet. I do no reset runs so not extreme A1's have happened yet. By my standards sub50 is ok run, and I wish to get possibly sub47 on upcoming runs.

I really just checked the timing differences, but you should def do A1M9 escape totally different. Disrupting heli at the roof once is totally enough, after that just driving to north is the fastest way to get rid of them. This is also pretty much necessary for any run continuing from there, since next mission is towards northwest. Also bike is pretty much the choice for everything from A1M2 to A1M7. Can check for the right route I guess from my twitch.tv/ougaa past broadcasts, I should be doing up-to-date strats on everything. While there's active routing done here by machine, I'm the only one reeeeeeally doing runs.

edit: ok checked couple of your things again. Hacking strat for A1M5 actually was talked of here couple pages ago, and I've been using it for 5 days or so. Using bike in getting in is still def faster, and it's actually important to get out faster aswell: you'll get to better location to be in right spot for start of A1M6 before it's given. Also A1M7 bike strats are a must, I'd see you losing a minute there which isn't very optimal. And A1M8 truck is too much. I rely a bit on focus there if I miss first burst at the guy. Just a normal car is enough to hide behind after that. It's only 6 guys, and at least 2 should be killed before they got out of car, so it's quite safe. Also I tend to use jamcom for any civilian calling help on that mission. It's a small thing, but a jamcom there is affordable and worth it even if it's only 5sec to drive over/by the target. More often it's necessary though, since civilians are calling cops 50m away from the park.

You might be playing on normal, idk. I've done run on both easy and hard, and definitely felt like easy made more sense for speedrun, since hard didn't really add "skill" in it, just more camping and sneaking. I strongly feel easy should be the standard since it's not taking out really anything.

Random_Machine

2014-06-26 12:50:49 am

I found a grenade jump out of the place in A2M12, but I'm not sure if it actually saves time. You end up close to the bike used to escape at the end of the mission. The problem is that you have to go through some checkpoints to advance the mission. I tried leaving the place, but it did not do anything unfortunately. However, you can bring the bike to where the second enforcer spawns(from the door opening); that could save some time maybe.

And he does play on normal. I asked him in his stream and he showed the normal difficulty.

Ouga

2014-06-26 03:05:15 am

There definitely lies a problem in finding huge skips in this game: each mission has so many waypoints, that even deaths mostly just costs a minute - there's no way to save more than you can lose. I have little to no hope in seeing Iraq fight ever being skipped, since there's no some ultimate goal of escape the area overwhelming waypoints like killing Iraq.

Alkaige

2014-06-26 04:18:10 am

Really big thanks to everyone for the skips. I finally reach sub50 for the ActI, but with my bad connection (middle of nowhere in France), i can't upload atm.
Nobody have find how skip the very looong intro ? I begin to know perfectly the dialogs Sad

ActII here i come Cheesy

Random_Machine

2014-06-27 12:25:05 am

This is better than killing the guards there. I got off the bike, but you don't need to do that to hack the cameras.

Ouga

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2014-06-27 10:37:25 am

some improvement to A3M1 by www.twitch.tv/slayerofbabies

Alkaige

2014-06-27 02:03:53 pm

For the A1M3, i afraid the guy who sell the guns before the start of the mission, i think it's a few seconds gained.
Someone can confirm ?

Random_Machine

2014-06-27 04:08:28 pm

That is definitely faster. You can threaten the guy before you get enough money to buy the gun. Then you can get in a vehicle by the entrance and wait until Aiden finishes saying "I better double my weapons". Just simply drive to the ctOS place after he finishes saying that. There is no need to buy the assault rifle.

Also, it might still be possible to buy the Sayonara for the people with double prices. Now you have an extra 1500 from not buying the assault rifle. Steal the shop's money in A1M3 after threatening the guy. Do the same for the shop after A2M1 after buying electronic parts. The ATM in A2M10 can be used also. I don't know if that will be enough to buy the Sayonara, but it is worth a try.

Ouga

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Ouga: 2014-06-27 08:53:19 pm

2014-06-27 08:27:49 pm

Sounds like crap if you have to do more stuff as "wrong version", initial reaction is to ban sayonara tbh if it cannot be obtained without doing extra stuff that cost time. I guess this really comes down to this A2M10 ATM then - I could see stealing money from A1M3 causing +2k at least (theft+no 416), maybe ATM in A2M10 could do the +3k in itself even without 2nd theft. I don't remember where ATM is but sounds like it might indeed be something to use while the guys keep changing suitcases.

If you do the end of A1M6 by having a gunfight, I prefer to have 416 for it, but I guess it can be done with sniper. But sounds like that'd save more than couple seconds so probably will have to switch to that.

Random_Machine

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Random_Machine: 2014-06-27 09:57:58 pm

2014-06-27 09:54:00 pm

The good news is that you can rob the gun shop twice without wasting time. That can leave you with over $3000 extra by A1M3 already. There is probably no need to rob the pawn shop after A2M1.
Here is how you do the gun shop strats:

The ATM is by the first suitcase exchange. You should be able to see it easily. Another thing to mention is make sure you pick up as much money as possible from enemies without wasting time. For example, you can get money from the 3 elites on the roof of A3M6 so make sure you do that.

I noticed that you don't hack the cameras in A3M2 to profile the security guys. You don't need to profile them with the helicopter. But you can still use it to profile the guy near the car. This is a mission I need to test more.

Ouga

2014-06-27 10:18:56 pm

Ah, good reminder. Slayer actually mentioned that to me "you don't even need to profile them, just kill" just yesterday (A3M2). Will have to test that indeed, might make it possible to drive bike all the way to the furthest guy even (?).

I noticed you can do the theft twice as well. However aren't we still prefering a bike here, as the vehicle starting from gun shop? That's quite rng, I try to look for every side road there on the way, so I'm not sure if you'd have time for two thefts with normal bike rng. But, on the other hand it might not be necessary thing to have. Just seems like annoying trade-off to have, extra theft for possibly worse vehicle.

Ouga

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Ouga: 2014-06-27 11:26:00 pm

2014-06-27 10:53:41 pm

I prob just misunderstood, ofc you have to profile them first. But yeah I'll now be using bike all the way, just stopping thrice: once to profile first guy and kill the soldier, then to profile/kill 2nd, and on the way back kill the first guy. The biking alone should make it clearly faster, not to mention being able to drop heli strats.

With ATM and gun shop theft 10k seems quite possible. I'm not exactly sure what happened with ATM though on my save file. Mid A3M10 got in there, somehow had hacked some rich accounts so got 5k out. Reloaded, and suddenly ATM'able money was 0? The money taken out before wasn't added. Maybe some glitch related to reload/ATM there, so you don't want to be spotted before next save point I think, or you lose all the hacked money (?). Dunno, random rambling.

Alkaige

2014-06-28 01:00:45 am

Nice video Random, I am sorry for not taking the time to make a video strat ! I'll if i found another thing.
I think you can start when the white msg on the left appear (you scared the shop keeper).

I don't know for a ATM glitch with reload, but when you see you have infinite ammo after that, you can obviously think it's another effect of the reload.

Ouga

2014-06-28 12:38:15 pm

I'll prob stop massing runs for a bit, or reduce. Seems like slayer is finding some big glitches so I'll let him work a bit before abusing all the new strats at once :-D. Was streaming but heard he actually found some 2min skip for bedbug tailing, sounds crazy. But yeah my PB is now 4h31m so time def has come down a lot within few weeks, when I thought sub4:30 "might be possible", now it's not even a god urn anymore.

Random_Machine

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2014-06-28 01:58:56 pm

I watched parts of your run to see how much money you had. But I don't know how you had earned over 10k already by beginning of act 2. You didn't need to rob the pawn shop. Also, you didn't need to use the ATM. And you had about 15k by the time you ordered the Sayonora. I'm not sure how you earned that much money.

Edit: There is probably no need to rob the gun shop twice if you get this much money.

Ouga

2014-06-28 02:16:53 pm

I don't know where it came from, definitely not consistent. I don't like 416'lessness though :O Dunno if it was a bug, but in prison I only had 30 ammo on the 1star-rifle, PCR or something. Might be bug or whatever, but that prob is related to not having rifle before. Also there's no way to do a1m6 gunfight as fast without rifle. I'm thinking that I could loot the same 1-star rifle from some fellow in the garage of A1M5 though, had never bothered before. THEN there's no need for 416.

Again, must have been some reload -related glitch with the money, since it didn't make any sense. Unless some corpses can just randomly drop 5k money, it couldn't have been legit.

Ouga

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Ouga: 2014-06-29 04:52:59 am

2014-06-29 04:50:25 am

The mentioned stuff for A2M8 by slayerofbabies. Mostly 7m43s+. I didn't test this myself. But he said you can just shoot everybody with headshots and nobody but bedbug sees you, and it starts the dialog of you saving Rabbit while Bedbug/Rabbit are still arguing. No matter what, clearly big timesaver.

He posted another vid, small stuff. Nothing too fancy, A2M5 strat should save a bit.

Random_Machine

2014-06-29 01:31:45 pm

Slayer also did the A2M4 Tobias chase with the bike. The bike you use is not the bike you go there with but the one you use to travel to A2M5. He climbed over the fence to get to the bike and used it to knock Tobias down.

It is faster to drive to A2M9 if you use that A2M8 skip. I have some stuff of my own for A2M8 that I'd like to show later.

Ouga

2014-06-29 01:49:19 pm

I pracced A2M8 a lot today. Note is that after you get the autosave (where game thinks you're stuck on cam) you can do whatever, no silencer needed or anything. So I basically kill everybody (except the guy behind van) from one point with AK47 bursts, and then escape with gangcar. I was barely able to get to mission start before it was given. Very nice that it's actually not needed to plant a good car/bike somewhere for the escape.

He mentioned the A2M4 bike strat before, and today I was watching elsewhere when he did it, meh. I know enough to figure it out though once I bother.

Random_Machine

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2014-06-29 07:23:32 pm

I may have found a bigger skip in A2M8 than the Slayer one. It involves killing/knocking down only 2 people. You can get the phone call from Rabbit before Bedbug even calls him. The problem is you still have to tail Bedbug even though you completed the objectives. But I think you can leave the area and come back to use the camera to spy on him if you're quick enough. Also, I need to figure out how to make it consistent because it didn't work a few times for me.

I also found this glitch from someone. It can be useful for driving. But he doesn't know how it happened:

Random_Machine

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Random_Machine: 2014-06-29 11:55:23 pm

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2014-06-29 11:53:56 pm

Here's the skip I was talking about earlier. I found it while trying to kill all of the guys early with lure before Bedbug was to reach Rabbit. It is not possible to do this skip when loading an autosave after Bedbug leaves his car. I probably could've hacked the second lure with the camera a bit earlier, but I did it after Bedbug was done talking with that guy. I'm pretty sure that you can't do the skip when he is talking to the guy.

I understood how the Slayer skip works, but I don't know why this skip works. Also, there's 20 seconds to leave the area and come back to complete the mission;it is possible because I've done it. Try to find the best way to do it. Maybe someone else can figure out this mission more. Definitely tell Slayer about the skip.