Super Meat Boy... ?

2010-11-03 09:34:33 am

Quote from andrewg:

So I do want to do a 100% run... when this comes out for wii. It IS eventually gonna come out on Wii right???

They're going to post in "a couple weeks" what the plan is for the Wii version. It sounds like it's coming down to either releasing it with less music and no leaderboards on WiiWare or holding out to find a publisher for a boxed copy. Who knows how long the latter would take.

They also said today that the PC version is going to have SIX exclusive characters. PC Any Character may have to be it's own thing.

mattBLiTZ

2010-11-03 09:45:01 am

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Quote from Internet Friend:

Quote from andrewg:

So I do want to do a 100% run... when this comes out for wii. It IS eventually gonna come out on Wii right???

They're going to post in "a couple weeks" what the plan is for the Wii version. It sounds like it's coming down to either releasing it with less music and no leaderboards on WiiWare or holding out to find a publisher for a boxed copy. Who knows how long the latter would take.

They also said today that the PC version is going to have SIX exclusive characters. PC Any Character may have to be it's own thing.

Oh wow, six? I just heard about the Minecraft guy being one. Didn't know 5 more were in.

Harry9397

2010-11-03 10:03:59 am

hello

I take it back 0 deaths is do-able, not 100% but just a light world SS
And I figured out the tim glitch, it basically allows you to teleport to the end of the level but I cant tell you the technique.

mattBLiTZ

2010-11-03 10:15:51 am

Pac is Back

Quote from Harry9397:

I take it back 0 deaths is do-able, not 100% but just a light world SS
And I figured out the tim glitch, it basically allows you to teleport to the end of the level but I cant tell you the technique.

Are you using it, or do you just know how to do it if you want to? You should email the devs exactly how to do it so they can get it fixed.

andrewg

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2010-11-03 10:25:53 pm

Hi! I'm andrewg!

@ mattblitz, 1-3 - 0.8??? HOW!? What character?

Also, when people post their times, I think they should say what character they've used to do so. Doesn't Meat Boy have the fastest top speed? I can't quite understand how you would get 0.8 seconds with any character :0

I still haven't unlocked all the characters, so I'm assuming there's some ridiculous character I haven't unlocked quite yet.

I did however unlock the kid today. That was tough... level 2 took me about (level 1 + level 3 time)*2.

Anyway, I should stop doing speedruns for this game unless I know I'm using the best character (or at least close to the best). Maybe I'll try and work on cotton Alley stuff because I seem to excel as bandage girl/meat boy.

mattBLiTZ

2010-11-04 05:56:30 am

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Quote from andrewg:

@ mattblitz, 1-3 - 0.8??? HOW!? What character?

Also, when people post their times, I think they should say what character they've used to do so. Doesn't Meat Boy have the fastest top speed? I can't quite understand how you would get 0.8 seconds with any character :0

I still haven't unlocked all the characters, so I'm assuming there's some ridiculous character I haven't unlocked quite yet.

I did however unlock the kid today. That was tough... level 2 took me about (level 1 + level 3 time)*2.

Anyway, I should stop doing speedruns for this game unless I know I'm using the best character (or at least close to the best). Maybe I'll try and work on cotton Alley stuff because I seem to excel as bandage girl/meat boy.

If the character selection leaderboard wasn't broken, I could check and post. I mean, I know off hand for that level I used Spelunky. Spelunky has the fastest horizontal travel. One big burst of speed. You'll see when you use him. .67 is the fastest time on that level I think. I held .83 as the #1 time for a while because no one was thinking about using that character on that level Tongue

Got .80 first try one day and didn't care to figure out .67 or whatever it is. I'll go back soon. For now I have too many levels that have like 5+ seconds of improvement that need me.

The Kid is also probably the god tier character. I keep noticing how many damn levels he's amazing at. But yeah, I'd recommend some chapter 6 and 7 and their dark worlds for someone like you. At least as a starting place, since you know it's SMB/BG only Smiley

[quote="andrewg"]@ mattblitz, 1-3 - 0.8??? HOW!? What character?

Also, when people post their times, I think they should say what character they've used to do so. Doesn't Meat Boy have the fastest top speed? I can't quite understand how you would get 0.8 seconds with any character :0

I still haven't unlocked all the characters, so I'm assuming there's some ridiculous character I haven't unlocked quite yet.

I did however unlock the kid today. That was tough... level 2 took me about (level 1 + level 3 time)*2.

Anyway, I should stop doing speedruns for this game unless I know I'm using the best character (or at least close to the best). Maybe I'll try and work on cotton Alley stuff because I seem to excel as bandage girl/meat boy.[/quote]

If the character selection leaderboard wasn't broken, I could check and post.  I mean, I know off hand for that level I used Spelunky.  Spelunky has the fastest horizontal travel.  One big burst of speed.  You'll see when you use him.  .67 is the fastest time on that level I think.  I held .83 as the #1 time for a while because no one was thinking about using that character on that level :P  Got .80 first try one day and didn't care to figure out .67 or whatever it is.  I'll go back soon.  For now I have too many levels that have like 5+ seconds of improvement that need me.

The Kid is also probably the god tier character.  I keep noticing how many damn levels he's amazing at.  But yeah, I'd recommend some chapter 6 and 7 and their dark worlds for someone like you.  At least as a starting place, since you know it's SMB/BG only :)

tenfoLd

2010-11-04 06:56:01 am

As for SDA, do you think the different characters would warrant different IL tables?

mattBLiTZ

2010-11-04 06:58:57 am

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Quote from tenfoLd:

As for SDA, do you think the different characters would warrant different IL tables?

Honestly I think the main effort should probably just be in whatever is absolutely best for the level. I think in time, perhaps skillful or fun characters will have enough demand to form separate times. I dunno though, I think it'd be silly for people not to learn all the characters. It's usually pretty easy to tell who is the best for the situation Tongue

And unlocking them doesn't take TOO long. There's plenty of lists out there with all bandage/warp locations.

andrewg

2010-11-04 08:40:30 am

I think for this game it should definiutely just be fastest overall character. It will get a little annoying with the PC exclusive characters though. Playing Super Meat Boy on PC just doesn't seem right to me heh, I prefer console so much more.

Since I'm probably going to be doing all my runs on wii, I hope there's not much difference between wii and xbox versions of the game. I would assume that wii and xbox would operate with the same leaderboard for SDA, but PC should be seperate maybe? Or at least times done with PC-only characters could be seperate.

mattBLiTZ

2010-11-04 08:47:18 am

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Quote from andrewg:

I think for this game it should definiutely just be fastest overall character. It will get a little annoying with the PC exclusive characters though. Playing Super Meat Boy on PC just doesn't seem right to me heh, I prefer console so much more.

Since I'm probably going to be doing all my runs on wii, I hope there's not much difference between wii and xbox versions of the game. I would assume that wii and xbox would operate with the same leaderboard for SDA, but PC should be seperate maybe? Or at least times done with PC-only characters could be seperate.

I don't have a problem listing 360/Wii/PC/Mac times separately. Might make more sense that way, at least for a while, since some people will be getting the game way later than others. For example, the Mac version comes out like...MONTHS from now I think, so anyone starting from there should really just initially be comparing to other people starting there, don't you think? For the forums, I mean.

And yeah, for official SDA stuff I think any version with different characters and levels should probably be separate, right? I guess we can just wait and see Tongue

[quote="andrewg"]I think for this game it should definiutely just be fastest overall character. It will get a little annoying with the PC exclusive characters though. Playing Super Meat Boy on PC just doesn't seem right to me heh, I prefer console so much more.

Since I'm probably going to be doing all my runs on wii, I hope there's not much difference between wii and xbox versions of the game. I would assume that wii and xbox would operate with the same leaderboard for SDA, but PC should be seperate maybe? Or at least times done with PC-only characters could be seperate.[/quote]

I don't have a problem listing 360/Wii/PC/Mac times separately.  Might make more sense that way, at least for a while, since some people will be getting the game way later than others.  For example, the Mac version comes out like...MONTHS from now I think, so anyone starting from there should really just initially be comparing to other people starting there, don't you think?  For the forums, I mean.

And yeah, for official SDA stuff I think any version with different characters and levels should probably be separate, right?  I guess we can just wait and see :P

cyghfer

2010-11-04 08:55:42 am

i'm sure flip and mike are groaning loudly every time the words 'separate' and 'IL tables' are mentioned in this thread

Harry9397

2010-11-04 09:02:44 am

hello

Please no IL tables whats the point?
Also I did email the devs:
"Very nice catch! We'll add this to the fix. As far as the internets, I
know why and we're fixing that too:)

Tommy

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Harry9397 wrote:
> I realise you are fixing the 00:00 glitch among other things but I have found another leaderboard ruining glitch.nThe main use of which is teleporting to the finish with tim or a infinitely high jump with alien H.nPlease watch my video as an example:[censored]To perform the teleport as tim you [censored].nFor alien H you [censored].nNow I can see how the alien H move has some technique to it and I dont particularly mind it but the Tim one is surely unacceptable and I hope you are able to remove it and any leaderboard times associated.n-nP.S. I dont know how people are cheating in teh internets but they are."

mikwuyma

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mikwuyma: 2010-11-04 10:33:52 am

2010-11-04 10:33:33 am

My feelings on The Demon Rush

We'll handle an IL table for this game like a racing game. Whichever character is fastest should be used for the level, and there will only be one table. Having a 350 level table will be bad enough. D:

Cyghfer: I don't think we were groaning loud enough.

Harry: People want to see an IL table because they want to see the fastest time possible?

Flip

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Flip: 2010-11-04 10:40:30 am

2010-11-04 10:39:59 am

1-Up!

Quote from mikwuyma:

We'll handle an IL table for this game like a racing game. Whichever character is fastest should be used for the level, and there will only be one table.

Quote from cyghfer:

i'm sure flip and mike are groaning loudly every time the words 'separate' and 'IL tables' are mentioned in this thread

Quote from mikwuyma:

Cyghfer: I don't think we were groaning loud enough.

Perhaps instead of groaning I should just find a way to sabotage the efforts to create this table. Also if any and all improvements get lost in the submission process or buried under a pile of red tape, I will deny all allegations. Tongue

Internet Friend

2010-11-04 12:05:35 pm

So following the SMB twitter has revealed that the six PC characters are going to replace the characters that are unlocked via bandage collection in the XBLA version. I asked if they'd handle the same as the old and he replied "for the most part yes, some will be faster, some will be slower". Which for the purpose of a run could be a big deal if the Spelunky or Alien Hominid type characters are better on one system or the other Those two seem to be the most crucial for being able to skip parts of levels quickly.

The warp zone characters including The Kid will be the same between versions.

Inexistence

2010-11-04 12:38:35 pm

Yes, Inexistence is a word.

Wait, I didn't fully understand that post... So is Gish going to be in the PC version? I WANT GISH!

Internet Friend

2010-11-04 12:43:16 pm

Gish won't be in the PC version, there will be a different sticky character. CommanderVideo, Jill, Ogmo, Flywrench and The Kid (the red warpzone characters) will be the same, the other guys will be changed. They didn't say anything about Meat Ninja since he's "secret" but I suspect he'll be in all versions too.

Inexistence

2010-11-04 12:45:30 pm

Yes, Inexistence is a word.

This makes me very, very sad.

KefkaMayDie

2010-11-04 01:01:22 pm

Planning a Cave Story

Goo ball for Meat Boy!

andrewg

2010-11-04 04:23:41 pm

I don't think the PC times should be compared with the other systems (at least for levels which the fastest time is done with the 5-6 PC exclusive characters).

So like, if the 5-6 characters in the PC version of the game are faster for any levels, track those alongside the fastest time on an IL done without the extra 5-6 characters. This is, assuming anyone ends up running the PC version.

Inexistence

2010-11-04 04:49:08 pm

Yes, Inexistence is a word.

I'll be running PC, don't worry. And surely the same should apply for any non-PC characters?

mattBLiTZ

2010-11-04 04:54:17 pm

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As I was just saying to Andrew G, I don't see the harm in each platform having a table here in the community. The only downside would be someone at SDA needing to do more work than necessary (this wouldn't be true, because we don't have to SUBMIT every single IL for every platform and all that).

Hell, I'll say right now, I will host an Excel spreadsheet with the best times of every platform that people post here, for every platform people are running. Hell, I'll throw in a Mac one too. That version comes out way later and with possible changes. If there's Mac runners here that want to compare their times to Mac runners, let 'em do it. I'll do the work.

andrewg

2010-11-04 04:57:53 pm

Generally, though I would assume that the time between each version would be comparable. I don't think they are really going to modify the whole structure of the game or anything.

KefkaMayDie

2010-11-04 05:38:41 pm

Planning a Cave Story

I'm probably going to get this for the PC instead of my wii. Got a 15 dollar gift card to best buy, so I figure I'll go pick up a controller soon.

andrewg

2010-11-04 09:32:39 pm

So anyway, enough discussion on what we're going to do once people get runs. Let's do the runs already!

I liked mattblitz's idea to just try and come up with which character is best for each stage beforehand. Though this might not necessarily work, I think it would definitely be a good start towards perfecting some levels.