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I'm not sure if these would fit but they are sonic songs
Hope this helps you. Keep it up. The videos are looking good. I can't wait to see the first full reel.
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MAS8705: 2011-01-29 06:15:05 pm
MAS8705: 2011-01-29 05:24:37 pm
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Alright then, for any clip you would like to add on, go ahead and send it over and I'll include it in (If anything though, I would suggest you add about 3-5 seconds at the beginning and the end since some clips seem to end abruptly and will allow me a bit more room to work with...)

Of course, any clips shown in the "Coming Soon" will be noted that will be released Sometime in 2011, but were completed in 2010...  In fact, I might be able to get just one more game added...  I recounted the time of the video and actually found out the total time (not counting TJ&E2 and this Knuckles trailer) is 49:18, lower than I thought, so after adding knuckles, that will be about 53 minutes, so adding one more game shouldn't be out of the question...

Currently I'm checking to see if PJ's Actraiser could be added in the coming soon as well...  I noticed this just now when browsing this thread, and there a re a few good suggestions... Just need to get PJ's approval first and We will have a pretty good sizable Coming Soon reel (not much different than a coming soon in theaters, except probably shorter, more entertaining and comes at the end... Smiley )

I admit during the editing of this trailer, I noticed that Knuckles's position is actually at the same part of the screen the majority of the time, thus making it look seamless isn't really too hard... Just had to connect them carefully and that was it... glad to know it worked...  As for music, I admit that it was tricky to figure out... The reason being of course is that all of Knuckles's themes are rapping and I got lucky finding the one for pumpkin hill that was remixed to sound like a Genesis remix  Still, I don't mind if we have to change the music if that will make it better...  Just would like to avoid lyrics since that can easily distract viewers if used improperly...

Edit: Alright then, now to continue about the music...  The music sample I need has to be about 3 minutes long, which by that time, the music can easily be faded out to make way for the ending song... Alongside with that, I feel that the music should be something more towards Knuckles: While Sonic has fast tense music, Knuckles is more slower and a bit mellow; more relaxing than sonic songs...

I listened to the Carnival Night Zone, and while that would make the video be more funny, the music did end abruptly...  The super sonic theme also didn't seem to sound right... Sky fortress is a bit too mellow and Death Egg seems a bit weird... 

Ice cap zone 2 and Spring yard zone could very well work...  I'll try it out and see how it works...  I'll also give final boss a shot to see how it looks... metropolis zone could also work... Might doublecheck doomsday zone, but that might be pushing it...

I'll download these songs and see if it makes the video seem better...

Edit: Alright, got work by from PJ, and he has given permission for actraiser to be used in the coming soon...  I'll get working on it right now along side with swapping the music for knuckles to see how it works...  It should be just that and that should be everything...
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Zeupar: 2011-01-29 05:20:18 pm
Zeupar: 2011-01-29 05:19:52 pm
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I'm not sure if these would fit but they are sonic songs
[list]
  • Ice Cap Zone: Act 2 (Really great instrumentals and may fit with other music you have from other clips.)
  • Sonic 3: Carnival Night Zone: Act 1 (This is kinda funny and plays with on with all the glitches lol)


  • Those two are good suggestions. The theme of The Doomsday Zone could fit too.
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    InsipidMuckyWater: 2011-01-29 05:39:52 pm
    InsipidMuckyWater: 2011-01-29 05:38:04 pm
    InsipidMuckyWater: 2011-01-29 05:37:10 pm
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    Yeah, death egg was stupid.  I was just trying to say any other song I could think of off the top of my head from Sonic 3.  Luckily someone mentioned Ice Cap, which is a waaay better idea. By the way, by final boss, I DIDN'T mean Doomsday.  I meant the stuff before that.

    I attached the TJ&E2 clip, with a second or two extra at the beginning and like five seconds onto the end.  EDIT: Now that I think about, the clip should have started here anyway.  I guess I should have put some extra time before that.  My bad.  Anyway, the highlights: the two or three uses of Panic, capturing all earthlings pretty quickly, nabbing the Tooth Fairy and the Cow Ghost while barely still on screen and while in the air, the many hill-slides, and the fact that it's an entire room/level as opposed to something random and out of context.

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    MAS8705: 2011-01-29 10:02:07 pm
    SDA Apprentice -- (3-1)
    Alright, just did a bit of changes with the music (swap) and I finished processing it...



    I think something happened during the process that the music is a bit jumpy, but again for the most part here is the ice cap zone music...

    Now to work on PJ's Actraiser and I'm finished...

    Edit: actually there is one last thing I would like to check for first... You see, I'm not sure if I had mentioned this or not, but I am making use of Pinnacle Studio with this project, and with the program, it has... Montage themes... Granted that most of them are stupid, but there is one that I just can't pass up...  With that said, I would like to show the "Coming soon" portion as well to make sure that it is something that isn't considered overkill, although this will probably be considered to be the biggest highlight reel to date...

    Just need to make sure this Knuckles video is good first, or if I should keep the old one...
    Sonical!
    The fade out of Ice Cap Zone Act 2's theme is too abrupt. Or was that a jump too? Without that and the other jumps, I would like it.
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    MAS8705: 2011-01-29 11:50:36 pm
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    well... for some reason, the ice cap zone music seems to be more sketchy than pumpkin hill, so at times the song did get a bit jumpy...  All the same though I can't seem to get the song to work properly for me... don't know if that is the song itself or some other reason...  All the same though, I don't know if I should use ice cap or pumpkin hill for the video overall...  Still, if you could specify the spot that happened, then I might understand what you might be saying...

    This is quite literally the only thing that is keeping me from finishing at this point...  After I make that decision, I'll post the Coming soon to show how that is going to look, followed by the official first draft...
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    InsipidMuckyWater: 2011-01-30 01:19:45 am
    InsipidMuckyWater: 2011-01-30 01:11:43 am
    InsipidMuckyWater: 2011-01-30 01:10:34 am
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    You could always try Metropolis Zone.  Teehee  Grin

    Yeah, I got some choppiness in the video (not audio) in the beginning parts as well.  When I used to make music videos, this would keep happening until either I changed the video I was importing (like converting it to a different format) or until I changed the movie editor.  Weird.

    EDIT:  As for the audio, it did skip in the last like 30 seconds a couple times, and you should probably have it start fading out a bit earlier. 

    Anyway, the Ice Cap music is a bajillion times better than Pumpkin Hill, if you don't mind me saying.  Though, I kind of wonder if we should completely mute the background.  While it's nice to hear the rings, I am distracted by the music from the clips.  As for the montage, are you talking about that JUST for the mystery run, or do you have some kind of montage mash-up of mini clips you were talking about?  I really doubt the latter since that'd be a lot of last minute work, of course.
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    MAS8705: 2011-01-30 01:29:22 am
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    I stayed up till 1:30 for that response!?!

    Just kidding... Smiley  As I said before Mucky, you are pretty much the only reason why I've been able to push on with the project... If I was going solo throughout this whole project, it would not only be a bad video, but I probably would have given up by now...  So thanks...  Besides, with me being in the communication department, I'm normally someone who gets criticized for anything I do, so if I'm told that something needs to be changed, I have no problems changing it...  Simple as that...

    As I said before, I feel that this needs some kind of background noise; leaving it mute would be pretty bad...  I'll try Metropolis tomorrow, but I will be a bit busy tomorrow... still I should have another video up by the evening tomorrow...  Depending how it turns out, I'll use either Ice Cap or Metropolis, and then if it is still choppy, I'm going to fall back onto vegas (when you are editing, it is always good to have backup programs just in case... converters too...)

    As for that montage, I guess I didn't make myself clear somehow, so allow me to elaborate...  The Coming soon will have a bit of a fancy opening (something I haven't actually attempted yet, so I'm not going to put all my chips into this working) and will feature the four games that we are discussing...

    Actraiser
    Sonic Advance
    Sonic 3
    and the game I keep sidestepping to build suspense...

    The only montage here is going to be the Sonic 3 video that has already been shown twice where as the other three games are still going to be the same as all the others; a game highlight under two minutes...  After the mystery game, that is basically the end of the "Coming Soon" and the end of the highlight reel all together...  Of course, it is one thing to try and explain all of this, but it is another to show examples...  That is why I'm a bit hell bent on trying to get the Knuckles Montage done, for once it is finished, I can finish the "Coming Soon" which finishes the Highlight reel...

    However, I realize one other thing just now as I type this...  The first draft really doesn't need the "coming soon" yet... So if that is the case, I can just produce the first draft for the Main Highlight reel right now, and work on the coming soon while the main highlight reel gets criticized...  That way by the time the 2nd draft is ready to go, it will have both put together...  That would probably be the best route for us to go, just get the highlight reel out there right now and have the coming soon later in a separate post... Again, its late as I type this so I'm going to save this for later...

    Again though Mucky, thanks for the help...
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    Lol.  You know, I was waiting for the moment when I jumped to criticism before really giving my due respect for all the work put into this. (This bug has been going around SDA a lot, as of late, and it certainly went around a lot when that super fancy video I posted earlier was first released by Nate)    It always happens eventually.  I know you were just kidding, but seriously, you don't need my approval for anything here.  You're doing 99.9% of the work.  At this point, I'm just a louder spectator than others.  Though, as always I'm glad you appreciate my input. 

    Okay, thanks for the explanation.  Yeah, I don't think you actually said that anything other than Sonic 3 was going to be a montage, but for some reason I keep thinking that the mystery game will be done similarly to Sonic 3, which apparently it isn't.  When you said you were going to try the montage theme, I thought you were talking about another montage song (unless theme means something else in this context).  Because we kind of settled on in-game/in-series music for Sonic 3, I thought that meant this other music would be used for a different montage.  I was probably wrong. Smiley

    For the main highlight reel, are you using subtitle descriptions yet?  Or just raw video clips?

    Editing videos like these together and then producing edited drafts, and redrafts, of them on here must be a lot of work, especially when you're doing it for free and amid other obligations in life, so major, MAJOR props to you for going through all this and entering the criticism-receiving stage so willingly.  Thanks for all the work!
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    As I said before, I feel that this needs some kind of background noise; leaving it mute would be pretty bad...


    I agree with that. Have you dismissed using the theme of The Doomsday Zone? Anyway, like IMW said, you are doing a really good job with this. Thank you for spending so much time making this video.
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    Just wanna pop in here and also say that I'm looking forward to seeing this highlight reel done (Yeah, I'm one of the quieter supporters Tongue ).  It'll be a great way to see what runs I may have missed watching this last year. XD  Keep up the great work!
    Sonical!
    I have just thought of another song that might be appropriate for the trailer of the Sonic 3 & Knuckles speedrun.
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    InsipidMuckyWater: 2011-01-30 04:23:00 pm
    InsipidMuckyWater: 2011-01-30 04:22:42 pm
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    You know, I always thought 3D Blast was a decent game that was unnecessarily criticized in its day.  Still, I'd personally prefer if we stuck to music from one of the classic games.  I say that mostly because there is so much great music in those games that we have no real need to go outside them.  Personally, I'm still holding out for either Spring Yard from Sonic 1, Final Boss from Sonic 3 (skipping the intro), or Metropolis from Sonic 2.  But it's MAS's choice in the end, of course.

    Lol, just out of curiosity, can anyone think of any decent Sonic 4 song for this?
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    I vote for Metropolis, but I do love Panic Puppet. Wasn't super crazy about 3D Blast's gameplay, but it had a pretty decent soundtrack.
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    Lol, just out of curiosity, can anyone think of any decent Sonic 4 song for this?


    Nope. Even the music in Sonic 4, normally a strong point even in the bad Sonic games, is pretty unforgivable.
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    Yeah, I just checked some of that music out actually.  Ugh.  They really overused that dominant synthesizer sound.  Everything sounds like mediocre J-pop.  I've heard that said about the classic music too, but it wasn't like THIS. 

    Anyway.  MAS, what "Super Sonic" music did you listen to?  I'm surprised you didn't think this could work.  You listened to the Super/Hyper Sonic music from Sonic and Knuckles right?  Don't listen to the ones from Sonic 2 or Sonic 3, because they are worse.  But anyway, the Hyper Sonic music is one of the best tracks of the series.
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    Is this the music you are talking about?
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    Quote from Eisenefaust:
    Is this the music you are talking about?


    Nope. This.
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    InsipidMuckyWater: 2011-01-30 07:33:36 pm
    InsipidMuckyWater: 2011-01-30 07:32:14 pm
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    Haha, thanks Zyre.  Although, I think Eisenfaust's video actually played both.

    Anyway, I'm thinking this would not be half bad as trailer music.  The only problem with it is how annoying it might get after 3 straight minutes of it.  If we had a preview, maybe it'd be easier to tell ...

    And then there are the other three songs still, as well.  Metropolis is about the catchiest thing ever (albeit slightly overused at this point), though Spring Yard is pretty close.  The problem with Spring Yard is the down time between what I call the 'chorus' sections, which does not lend itself much to a trailer.  And I really love how epic Final Boss sounds ... though, maybe it's a little too epic for what amounts to a bunch of glitches ... lol.  This'll be tough. 
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    Haha, thanks Zyre.  Although, I think Eisenfaust's video actually played both.


    LOL.  Yeah, you're right.  I listened to about 20 seconds of it and immediately assumed that the video wasn't going to play Hyper Sonic's music.  It did play both, but not until halfway through.  My bad. Tongue
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    MAS8705: 2011-01-30 10:37:36 pm
    MAS8705: 2011-01-30 09:27:42 pm
    MAS8705: 2011-01-30 08:55:07 pm
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    I just came to another realization of things...

    first this is my mentality at this point...  Just pretend that the world is my mind...



    now that we got that out of the way Smiley , Time for my next set of thoughts... Its not that I don't like the Super Sonic Theme, but it is more to the idea that it just doesn't fit in this case...  I heard all of them, and they would be good if this was shorter, if you listen to it for three minutes, you might go just as insane as staring at hyper sonic for 3 minutes...  No reason for me to post that video...

    I'm going to post two separate videos this time...  One is going to be Just the Metropolis video with the same video again, while the second is going to consist of the three songs suggested previously,  Spring Yard, Panic Puppet, and the Final Boss Sonic 3 with a bit of the intro cut out...  You might be asking, "Why the hell would I put three songs together in one video?" Reason one: refer to the top video... Reason two (which is a much better reason) is that it is getting very repetitive to make a video one at a time where as it is much faster to just put three of them together...  That and also to test out my alternate video editor, Vegas, and see how it compares...  Depending how these test turn out, it could set up how I put it all together...

    So for all who are still following the progress go ahead and listen to all four and see how they all seem to fit... I would put back in ice cap, but that has already been shown and no reason to put it up again... If I do use Ice Cap Zone as the song, I'm going to remake the video to make sure it does work...

    I was going to wait until the videos were ready, but it is taking a while to load the 15 minute video (2Gbs = 5 hours?  I don't know, this is my first 10min.+ video)

    What you said Mucky is exactly why I chose not to use Super Sonic... The idea of listening to the same music for three minutes long... the theme itself is normally ok for a minute, but three could be stretching it...  Unlike the last few nights, this might take a while... And I can't imagine how big the final piece will be...  Then again, Vegas gives much bigger file sizes than Pinnacle, but hopefully better quality...

    Maybe...

    Edit: I really like that video... I'm going to save it... Smiley  Also, I finally got Metropolis up and running, the music is a bit too loud so it does blur out most of the sound, still I can correct it in editing if we use it...



    one more video and that's it... After this last video, I will pick a song, put it into the coming soon, post that on the forums and then make the actual highlight video...  Apparently another 208 minutes left...  yea, uploading high gb files is annoying... Probably will be the last time I use vegas for any high end videos (or use avi)... I will probably avoid using this same method in the future or convert to flash next time or something... Anyway, by 12:45, it should be ready... Not going to blame anyone if they don't decide to stay up late...
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    I thought the song fit very well, although I think having two or three songs playing in the trailer would also probably be fine. Honestly, since this is just a trailer, it would probably be best to remove the ingame sound altogether. I don't think having the faint ring collection and jumping noises really adds anything.
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    InsipidMuckyWater: 2011-01-30 11:32:11 pm
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    InsipidMuckyWater: 2011-01-30 11:29:55 pm
    InsipidMuckyWater: 2011-01-30 11:29:45 pm
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    ^ Yeah, I also still think the background music is distracting and that the sound fx don't really add that much.  I guess I've already said that, but I thought I'd just mention it again since Arrow seems to agree.  But yeah, I think I'd go with Metropolis over Ice Cap right now.

    Sorry about all the processing and waiting you've had to do for this, MAS.  It's worth it though to test out our options here.  I am also a little intrigued to see what multiple songs would sound like.  3 minutes of any of these is just slightly nerve racking at the end of the day.

    Just try not to blow up the world before I play Half-Life 2: Episode 3 (there, that should keep us safe for awhile)

    EDIT:  Btw, I'm really surprised Vegas is taking so long for you.  Every video I've posted in this thread so far took less than ten minutes to render ...  Did you try making .mp4's?
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    MAS8705: 2011-01-31 01:04:29 am
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    Well, its not really that vegas takes to long, it is more to the idea that it produces fairly big files... Vegas is pretty much trying to make high quality videos (or something like that)... I honestly like to keep all options open so that I'm not going to screw something up...  I know that you can't please all the people of the time, but it is worse to piss off everyone if you make bad choices... Hence the reason why I am posting the exact same video with different songs... Everyone agreed that Pumpkin Hill wasn't the best choice, so it doesn't hurt to take suggestions as to what might work...  Also I can't seem to get MP4s to work properly on Vegas, so I'm stuck with AVI...

    There is an interesting point that Arrow mentioned that I agree with now that I'm thinking about it...  Ergo, once I can figure out what song to use, I'll go ahead and just make one more video, but with no background sounds, just the music...  Thought it could work, but now I can see how it is distracting...  With that said, I disagree on the idea of multiple songs...

    While it would keep variety, it wouldn't seem right to just throw in songs at random, just because the songs are cool...  If I can figure out how to do it right, I would change my mind, but I'm not much of a sounds editor, just a video editor...

    anyway before I call it a night, here is the final set...



    Go ahead and see how it looks and depending on what is suggested, I can see for either trying multiple songs, or just one...  Again it is the same video 3 times over... the only difference is that it has the next song every 3:11 about...

    As for the Main video itself, there isn't anything else to do for it now, so I think we can be ready for a premier sometime this week..