Rayman Origins: any% (ROUTE TESTING on Xbox 360 and Wii versions)

CrypticJacknife

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2013-05-19 01:18:23 am

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World 4 (sorry about the delays, Youtube processing and glitching as usual)

Let's talk about 100%. No, not the route, the definition. What is the situation with medals/badges/whatever the hell they are? Breaking the amount needed for them usually requires some pretty strenuous "farming", and for 4-1 it makes it LITERALLY impossible to 100% first time through. Afaik nothing is earned beyond the visual on the in-world map for doing it. Electoons are seen from the Overall World Map, badges aren't. Are they going to be included anyway? I feel it's one of those inevitable things like (speaking relative to spike here) Mirror Mode being an inevitable part of true 100% in DKCR. Yeah, one of those situations :/

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CrypticJacknife: 2013-05-19 07:41:00 am

2013-05-19 07:40:25 am

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On to five.

Features the hardest strategy yet, second bonus of Mystic Munkeys, you'll know which one I mean.
Sorry for the one man thread, I just want to get this done asap.

spikevegeta

2013-05-19 08:23:21 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

On the subject of 100%, yeah, as annoying as it is, I personally consider Medals part of 100%. Yeah, many of the levels become really stupid, as you need to farm nearly every lum, and on top of that, make sure many of them are doubled from king lums or you WILL get lum screwed.

tbh, I do think they should be included in 100%, but I think if I ever started routing a more complete version of the game, I would just do "246 Electoons, 10 Skull Teeth, Land of the Livid Dead". Might seem arbitrary, but Medals really do make this game less fun to run and watch in my opinion. I'm ready to be proven wrong though.

As far as your Individual cage strats, It's cool to see advanced strats for Mystical Monkeys/Golly G. Golem, since they we're so close to the 130 electoon any% cut line when I timed them, and these are definitely more advanced strats then I was using them. Again though, routing this game and specifically timing electoons is extremely tedious in this game, so I'm not sure I will ever have the energy to go back and do it honestly. If anybody else wants to, then here are some of the levels that we're near the cutline if anyone would wish to go back and just time about 10 levels instead of 50:

8-1(Dragon Soup) (Main Cage, 2nd Bonus Cage, 150 Lums)
6-4(Climb Out) (Main Cage, 1st Bonus Cage, 150/300 Lums)
2-3(Wind or Lose) (Main Cage, 1st/2nd Bonus Cages, 150 Lums)
6-2(Up and Down) (2nd Cage, which is the Moskito Cage)
7-2(Tricky Winds) (All 5)
8-3(Fickle Fruit) (Main Cage, 2nd Bonus Cage, 150 Lums)

All these times can be found on the 3rd page of this topic in my big post with the attachment Rayman Origins Time Ranks.

On the subject of 100%, yeah, as annoying as it is, I personally consider Medals part of 100%. Yeah, many of the levels become really stupid, as you need to farm nearly every lum, and on top of that, make sure many of them are doubled from king lums or you WILL get lum screwed.

tbh, I do think they should be included in 100%, but I think if I ever started routing a more complete version of the game, I would just do "246 Electoons, 10 Skull Teeth, Land of the Livid Dead". Might seem arbitrary, but Medals really do make this game less fun to run and watch in my opinion. I'm ready to be proven wrong though.

As far as your Individual cage strats, It's cool to see advanced strats for Mystical Monkeys/Golly G. Golem, since they we're so close to the 130 electoon any% cut line when I timed them, and these are definitely more advanced strats then I was using them. Again though, routing this game and specifically timing electoons is extremely tedious in this game, so I'm not sure I will ever have the energy to go back and do it honestly. If anybody else wants to, then here are some of the levels that we're near the cutline if anyone would wish to go back and just time about 10 levels instead of 50:

8-1(Dragon Soup) (Main Cage, 2nd Bonus Cage, 150 Lums)
6-4(Climb Out) (Main Cage, 1st Bonus Cage, 150/300 Lums)
2-3(Wind or Lose) (Main Cage, 1st/2nd Bonus Cages, 150 Lums)
6-2(Up and Down) (2nd Cage, which is the Moskito Cage)
7-2(Tricky Winds) (All 5)
8-3(Fickle Fruit) (Main Cage, 2nd Bonus Cage, 150 Lums)

All these times can be found on the 3rd page of this topic in my big post with the attachment Rayman Origins Time Ranks.

CrypticJacknife

2013-05-19 11:14:33 am

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Don't worry I don't intend to make you do the entirety. Your timing seems reliable enough, we only need to time around the cut line and we should be good. Think about it this way, any% could have Mystic Munkeys instead of Fickle Fruit (!!!!!!!!)

Also yeah World 6

Few nifty ones in there. First one requires killer timing, third last one requires ridiculous precision.

CrypticJacknife

2013-05-20 07:19:47 am

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Cryptic Jacknife @CrypticJacknife
If like the two of my followers who care wonder what's happening, I got zero sleep last night, running on 30 hours, not touching Origins.

Figured I'd drop this in here. I know it's only been a day, but after dropping like six videos in 40 hours I feel its necessary lol.

CrypticJacknife

2013-05-21 09:03:34 am

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World 7. My favourite world and the bonuses are no exception Smiley

CrypticJacknife

2013-05-21 12:08:56 pm

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Onto World 8. Only Dragon Soup and Fickle Fruit to this one, still some tough bonuses :O

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CrypticJacknife: 2013-05-21 03:10:55 pm

2013-05-21 03:01:34 pm

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Again only with two levels, World 9.

Done for the day, finish up with 10 tomorrow :v
Edit: Awesome Thumnbail

CrypticJacknife

2013-05-22 06:06:17 am

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World 10 complete! Cheesy

That's the challenges routed. Hopefully that helps me in all categories. Same as any one else who might watch it Cheesy

MASTER PLAYLIST - Contains all of the games Challenges - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLH8CGTgFIw2COHkYKzmaSOzerQpJjo4dY

As for what next.....I dunno really Tongue

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CrypticJacknife: 2013-05-24 04:21:08 am

2013-05-24 04:18:45 am

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Figure I will drop a few Tricky Treasure SS strats on the table while I learn any%. Keeps the thread alive I guess :v They will probably come in much slower than the Challenge videos did though.

Until then I'm replaying every level anyway to get my head into any%. Remember I am almost exclusive IL (there's also the whole 9 month break thing), so lum routes will hopefully come naturally Tongue

CrypticJacknife

2013-05-25 06:45:10 am

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World 2 TT up.

I'll just explain the moveset logic for these videos now. Obviously it's 100% SS style, no one-off fluke strategies or IL frame chopping.
Correct me if I am wrong here (Only have 1 file atm and it's at 100%) but it would be wisest to grab the Tricky Treasure in World 1 whilst doing the Time Trials (which wouldn't be done initially due to wall-running + swimming + flying saving tons of time). Worlds 2, 3 and 4 would have enough? (again, only 100% file so I can't actually check the Electoon requirements). Worlds 1, 2 3 and 4 would otherwise all be sweeped through together after completing World 5 100%, because the requirements DO become pretty damn high towards Angsty Abyss, and we will probably not be able to make the count with only the Worlds 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 Time Trial Electoons. AGAIN, could be mistaken, requires more looking in to.

MY POINT IS that I am not going to use any wall-run strats in any TT pre-W5, just in case this happens to be the case.

Let me know if this is going over any of your heads I'll try to re explain.

World 2 TT up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHvG274PSY0

I'll just explain the moveset logic for these videos now. Obviously it's 100% SS style, no one-off fluke strategies or IL frame chopping.
Correct me if I am wrong here (Only have 1 file atm and it's at 100%) but it would be wisest to grab the Tricky Treasure in World 1 whilst doing the Time Trials (which wouldn't be done initially due to wall-running + swimming + flying saving tons of time). Worlds 2, 3 and 4 would have enough? (again, only 100% file so I can't actually check the Electoon requirements). Worlds 1, 2 3 and 4 would otherwise all be sweeped through together after completing World 5 100%, because the requirements DO become pretty damn high towards Angsty Abyss, and we will probably not be able to make the count with only the Worlds 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 Time Trial Electoons. AGAIN, could be mistaken, requires more looking in to.

MY POINT IS that I am not going to use any wall-run strats in any TT pre-W5, just in case this happens to be the case.

Let me know if this is going over any of your heads I'll try to re explain.

CrypticJacknife

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2013-05-26 05:40:35 am

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World 3 up. If you aren't convinced sliding is the best thing ever in Worlds 3 and 8 you will be now.

World 8 and 9 TTs are going to be the biggest problem, I can already foresee this. Maybe not so much 8, But I remember 9 being an intensely cruel and long level. Still trying to stick to one-a-day as I learn through any% proper w/lum routes, so we shall see then I guess *shrug*

That said, I have shit that needs to be done tomorrow, so while I might get the W4 TT up, I most certainly won't have enough time to learn Port-o and Flipper to a tee. So might take a day or two for me to transition onto 5 and beyond.

It's come to my attention that me and spike aren't actually the only Origins runners. This is a fantastic thing! I thought we were all alone here, and no one new would ever jump into the fray. Good to know that the Origins community isn't just us. To those guys, glad you've chosen such a fantastic game. I will leave it up to them if they want to poke their heads out Tongue

World 3 up. If you aren't convinced sliding is the best thing ever in Worlds 3 and 8 you will be now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWT-kS-3h_M

World 8 and 9 TTs are going to be the biggest problem, I can already foresee this. Maybe not so much 8, But I remember 9 being an intensely cruel and long level. Still trying to stick to one-a-day as I learn through any% proper w/lum routes, so we shall see then I guess *shrug*

That said, I have shit that needs to be done tomorrow, so while I might get the W4 TT up, I most certainly won't have enough time to learn Port-o and Flipper to a tee. So might take a day or two for me to transition onto 5 and beyond.

It's come to my attention that me and spike aren't actually the only Origins runners. This is a fantastic thing! I thought we were all alone here, and no one new would ever jump into the fray. Good to know that the Origins community isn't just us. To those guys, glad you've chosen such a fantastic game. I will leave it up to them if they want to poke their heads out :P

CrypticJacknife

2013-05-28 08:44:27 am

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Oops. Ended up doing World 4 last night but forgot to upload >_>
My bad, here it is Smiley

any% learning goes well, who knows I might get W5 out early tomorrow or even tonight ^_^

CrypticJacknife

2013-05-28 12:56:56 pm

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Mhmm. World 5. Done for the night Smiley

Hopefully I'll learn more tomorrow.

Half-way done learning Cheesy

I know 6 and 7 any% is going to be an ass, but hopefully 8 and 9 make up for it Tongue

CrypticJacknife

2013-05-31 01:03:40 pm

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Mhmm. Six.

Flip

2013-06-07 04:55:45 pm

1-Up!

Quote from spikevegeta:

Just got a 2:11:58. I'll be submitting this to SDA, despite two very quick deaths. The run was nearly flawless for the last 13 levels or so. I'll also try to upload it to Youtube in the next few days.

Recently picked this game up again. Did you never submit this?

FearfulFerret

2013-06-25 09:11:55 pm

Just starting to pick this game up now, using Twyn's recent 2:01:40 time on PC as reference. You guys did great work on the routing!

Rayman

2013-10-20 01:02:12 pm

Recently picked up this game to TAS (Got4n (Me) and AndZura) it.
Here a little timesaver who could save a second

Red_Buddha

2013-10-20 01:54:18 pm

if you are referring to getting the coin, it is much faster to get the coin from above than below like that.

Rayman

2013-10-20 02:07:56 pm

Oh, sorry then :/

Red_Buddha

2013-10-20 02:33:44 pm

no worries man. Smiley

I'm actually really interested to see what you guys can do to this game because there is definitely a lot of room for optimization.

Rayman

2013-10-20 02:40:31 pm

I'm going to find speed RAM value and post my researches, so anyone in SDA could speedrun that game, but it's already thing done with all everyone comments =D

Rayman

2013-10-21 07:31:57 am

Okay, here is a testrun I did:

ItsMarill_

2013-10-21 02:27:49 pm

I don't think there's enough charact

Any TAS only strats found yet?
Or any TAS only strats been known that you're going to implement?

Rayman

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Rayman: 2013-10-21 02:51:06 pm

2013-10-21 02:50:54 pm

For the moment no Sad

We don't think there is any TAS strat. ^^