Magicka

adzicents

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2011-01-26 09:45:16 am

King Laskdjf

This game was released recently, and I'm finding it OH-SO-FUN. I've already found a huge sequence break, too!

I've had words briefly from the devs, and they've told me they LIKE sequence breaking, so this bug might actually stay, too! Unfortunately, it seems to only work in multiplayer...

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DJS

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DJS: 2011-01-26 10:48:09 am

2011-01-26 10:47:59 am

torch slug since 2006

I know one of the guys that USED to develop this game, I dont know why he quitted...
(this was incredibly off-topic)

Kittle

2011-01-26 08:14:49 pm

Right now the game is extremely buggy, give it at least a few weeks so that they can fix most of them. ^-^

adzicents

2011-01-27 09:01:19 am

King Laskdjf

Usually that's the sort of thing we want, but it's practically unplayable at some points Sad

your_name_here

2011-01-27 08:05:46 pm

Good luck manipulating that "randomly teleport anywhere" rod. Unless there's something faster than teleportation.

kazrya

2011-01-28 11:16:20 am

There's actually an achievement for completing the game in under 4 hours, so I know for a fact they want it to be speed run. I was gonna give this a shot but I've been having very bad luck with the damn goblins in the second chapter.

Alurr

2011-01-28 04:23:50 pm

Hasterune!

After a recent couple of patches the game is a bit more stable, the sequence break only working in multiplayer is quite unfortunate however, this means you have to start a new adventure file with a friend for everytime you want to run the game. For as long as the save system isn't overhauled, getting practice on specific parts/chapters is going to be hard, atleast if you dont have access to the save files.
About the studio wanting people to speedrun it: I hope this is true, but as it is right now, if you exit certain rooms before having faced certain enemies/activated certain triggers (Or atleast that seems to be the reason from my observations) you will crash the game.

Regardless me and a friend did take a shot at getting through the game in a quick manner and finished the game in just under two hours. In addition to my own playthroughs i've seen some (probably) quite exploitable glitches occuring, so the games definately has that sort of potential along with being fun.

KFC

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KFC: 2011-02-04 02:28:59 pm

2011-02-04 01:14:51 pm

ChickenB0h BOH! :D

I think i can run this game in under 1 hour(single player), after last patch there is far less bugs, so I probably will start to work on it in next few days and see if I can make it Smiley

Lawyer Dog

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2011-02-04 07:53:25 pm

A rather sloppy single player run I did (with some deaths) was 1:35:26 according to the in-game timer, it seems like there's a lot of good potential for running Magicka.
A multiplayer run is definitely going to be significantly faster with the early teleport, and you can get some ridiculous speed if you launch a player with a mine correctly.

As far as spells go, I don't think any Magicka book is worth going out of your way for, with the possible exception of Grease. The murderbeam of SteamSteamArcaneLightningLightning is pretty solid throughout the run, with Lightning Bolt being very good for bosses once you get it, RockIceIceIceIce for before it or for inside bosses.

KFC

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KFC: 2011-02-05 08:18:15 am

2011-02-05 05:47:57 am

ChickenB0h BOH! :D

pretty decent time for single-segment... yesterday my best in-game time was about 1h21 but I was struggling fights at world's end bosses(first visit - C5 i believe) where i lost about 15-20 minutes of play + some other deaths...

however I use one more magick its ice-arcane-ice-arcane-ice in front of boss it can take about the same as thunder bolt but seems to be bit faster, the problem is you have to minimize distance to cast it well...

moooh

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moooh: 2011-02-05 09:09:44 am

2011-02-05 09:05:24 am

Exoray

qfqfasa should be slightly better than qfqfsaa in terms of damage output. I think qfqfsaa is in the same region as qfqfqfas which is around 11 less in base dmg compared to qfqfasa.

By going out of your way I'm assuming you don't mean to skip picking up those in your path. Thunderbolt is a must since it'll be used at so many places afterwards.

Staff of Choice: Staff of the White Wizard. You can fear mobs off of cliffs and it's a very nice to have safety factor if you're doing single segment since you can get swamped pretty fast in some areas. Oh and you can also clear the aristrocrats boss fight in 10 seconds with this staff.

Weapon of Choice: Haven't tested too much with this. the M60 is pretty much given after you get it seeing as you can change directions so quickly, meaning for smaller scattered mobs it will be way more effective than casting any beam.

You can one-hit kill bosses with the Summon Death Magicka. I haven't tried it in all places but where it's definitely useful is when fighting Vlad at worlds end. It also works on Khan and first Vlad fight when doing NG+.

Apparently there is a way to glitch kill Khan by getting him stuck inside one of your shields which will send him flying outside of the map and die. This was found by lag.com in the one of the first days after the release, so I'm not sure if that has been patched out by now.

There are tons of tiny skips and timesavers that I've found that I should probably do a chapter by chapter breakdown. I'll start taking notes the next time I go through the game.

We need to determine if game time runs during cutscenes. It'll help deciding whether some of the cutscene skips are worth setting up or not.

qfqfasa should be slightly better than qfqfsaa in terms of damage output. I think qfqfsaa is in the same region as qfqfqfas which is around 11 less in base dmg compared to qfqfasa.

By going out of your way I'm assuming you don't mean to skip picking up those in your path. Thunderbolt is a must since it'll be used at so many places afterwards.

Staff of Choice: Staff of the White Wizard.  You can fear mobs off of cliffs and it's a very nice to have safety factor if you're doing single segment since you can get swamped pretty fast in some areas. Oh and you can also clear the aristrocrats boss fight in 10 seconds with this staff.

Weapon of Choice: Haven't tested too much with this. the M60 is pretty much given after you get it seeing as you can change directions so quickly, meaning for smaller scattered mobs it will be way more effective than casting any beam.

You can one-hit kill bosses with the Summon Death Magicka. I haven't tried it in all places but where it's definitely useful is when fighting Vlad at worlds end. It also works on Khan and first Vlad fight when doing NG+.

Apparently there is a way to glitch kill Khan by getting him stuck inside one of your shields which will send him flying outside of the map and die. This was found by lag.com in the one of the first days after the release, so I'm not sure if that has been patched out by now.

There are tons of tiny skips and timesavers that I've found that I should probably do a chapter by chapter breakdown. I'll start taking notes the next time I go through the game.

We need to determine if game time runs during cutscenes. It'll help deciding whether some of the cutscene skips are worth setting up or not.

KFC

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2011-02-05 09:38:27 am

ChickenB0h BOH! :D

you're right about cutscenes... (i think cutscens should be counted)

i would prefer staff of invisibility, it's useful in Fafnir chapter, i don't care much about weapon cuz I never use it...
and Khan can be killed using arcane-light-fire+shift spam in like 3 seconds Cheesy

anyways most of bosses can be killed with some good fast spells spammed in front of them in less than 10secs...

and i don't really know what spells you mean at the beginning of the post since I've changed my controls to cast thunderbolt more easily... btw. thunder bolt does not need detour to be collected and it's only one book i really need to do the run...

moooh

2011-02-05 09:52:39 am

Exoray

q is water
f is fire
a is lightning
s is arcane
so that would be steam steam lightning arcane lightning. Also I checked and qfqfsaa does the same as qfqfasa which is 700 dmg each tick for both.

If we grab Gram we could kill Fafnir in one hit, so I guess we'll have to do some testing to see whether or not the M60 or Gram would be the most useful.

Invisibility? When would you use that? You loose regular invisibility when you cast a spell so I assume the staff would behave the same. I don't know of any part where you're not doing tele-spamming so I wouldn't think it is useful at all.

About thunderbolt: Yeah that's what I meant by not skipping those in your path.
Sub-1 hour should be easy. I'm thinking a good run will end up somewhere around the 50 minute area if most bosses cooperate (Death can slow you down a lot if he chooses to).

KFC

2011-02-05 10:02:21 am

ChickenB0h BOH! :D

staff works exactly the same as normal spell, I use it to get pass the army in chapter 11.
thing is you cast haste an the you have invisibility under one button, so you can run through the whole hall with no problem.

moooh

2011-02-05 10:45:03 am

Exoray

If you hug the right or left wall you shouldn't have any trouble teleing through that room. Might even cast a lightning shield just to be safe from getting stalled by the beholders bolts.
I can't remember, at what point do you get the invis staff? If it's later on then you could just trade the white staff for that one since the white staff don't really have much use after the swamp chapter.

KFC

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2011-02-05 11:00:30 am

ChickenB0h BOH! :D

it's in mine at minesweepers level so I guess your way can be faster, anyways I will make practice run and post it here, so it will be easier to find some improvements Cheesy

so far I've managed to do 1st chapter in 2min dead (in-game timer), but I'm not really pleased with it because i got hit by spider after killing troll...

Lawyer Dog

2011-02-05 11:50:50 am

What is the fastest way to kill off Death? He seems to be the only really troublesome boss. The best I can do is putting life on my sword and laying down a circle of healing mines, so when he comes in you can run over the mines to activate them then hit him with your sword, for 2760 total damage or so.
M60 has a few times when it's helpful, but a quick kill on Fafnir would probably end up having more worth. With how quick Fafnir is to kill even without Gram I think Knife of Counter-Striking would be the best option to use, because it gives a constant haste. http://www.magickapedia.net/images/8/82/Knife_of_counter_striking.png
I thought the Aristo-staff from the black goblin wizard in chapter 8 was pretty useful, it gives high resistance to all elements. The Goblin Staff from regular goblin wizards there could also be useful, with its damage immunity spell.

http://www.magickapedia.net/index.php?title=Main_Page Useful site for information.

moooh

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moooh: 2011-02-05 01:13:40 pm

2011-02-05 12:57:16 pm

Exoray

If you manage the quick kill on the goblin you won't be able to get his staff though.
The trick there is to fear him while he's up at his platform making him run through his small cave. If the angle is right and he decides to run in the right direction, you can make him run too far outside the map which will instantly kill him.
If he's not running far enough when the fear ends, the fight will be bugged and you will have to kill yourself to restart it.
It's difficult to line up so it might not be useable for a single segment unless I can get it more consistenly.

2760 method sounds fastest right now. I can't think of any other approach and the heal beam will do 1800 at most so doing your method should make him die two approaches earlier. If he wants to, he can summon a really bad group of skels where one will isntantly freeze you at the same time as one another launch you in the air. You can't do anything at this point as you are stuck in the ultra slow animation mode. I had this happen 4 times in a row last run Sad

If you manage the quick kill on the goblin you won't be able to get his staff though.
The trick there is to fear him while he's up at his platform making him run through his small cave. If the angle is right and he decides to run in the right direction, you can make him run too far outside the map which will instantly kill him.
If he's not running far enough when the fear ends, the fight will be bugged and you will have to kill yourself to restart it.
It's difficult to line up so it might not be useable for a single segment unless I can get it more consistenly.

2760 method sounds fastest right now. I can't think of any other approach and the heal beam will do 1800 at most so doing your method should make him die two approaches earlier. If he wants to, he can summon a really bad group of skels where one will isntantly freeze you at the same time as one another launch you in the air. You can't do anything at this point as you are stuck in the ultra slow animation mode. I had this happen 4 times in a row last run :(

KFC

2011-02-05 03:45:47 pm

ChickenB0h BOH! :D

you can kill Death with two approaches just witch heal mines because you can hit him twice every approach so you will do 3600dmg

Nihilus

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Nihilus: 2011-02-05 06:35:03 pm

2011-02-05 06:34:19 pm

uhh Knife of Counter-Striking? Its haste stacks with normal haste for a stupid amount of speed, and it's on the way. Combine with a shield to not take fall damage, and heal staff to never have to re-cast shield or heal. I think this will be fastest.

KFC

2011-02-06 07:38:46 am

ChickenB0h BOH! :D

shield is not that good especially against archers... but healing can be useful

Nihilus

2011-02-06 09:06:13 am

The shield would be necessary with the counter-strike knife, otherwise you take fall damage every time you run down stairs, where your dude falls over and has to get back up. With a shield, it takes some damage but you don't lose speed.

moooh

2011-02-06 10:40:51 am

Exoray

Alright, since the CS-knife and haste stacks, that's a definite for the rest of the run. Will save some sanity not having to tele spam all the time.

Something strange I've ran into: I cannot seem to make assatur wet on the first attempt. His model shows him wet but thunderbolt still only does 5k. However if I kill myself and let it restart, he takes double damage as he's supposed to. It might be that they tried to prevent him from getting wet at all, in order to make the fight more difficult, but somehow screwed up that for the reloaded fights.

KFC

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2011-02-06 01:42:32 pm

ChickenB0h BOH! :D

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/5350/vlcsnap2011020621h35m15.png

that's the time after 2nd chapter (5:33), after 1st was 2:03 with heal staff... but i will try to redo chapter 2 because boss fight went bit wrong there.
should I post videos?

moooh

2011-02-06 02:05:30 pm

Exoray

Just streamed a practice run where I got a 1:09:xx. A few mishaps here and there and a large one during the pre-khan battle. I also stopped to write in chat occasionally. Sub-1 is approaching.

Also I did 4.2k dmg o death in one cycle so if you spam fast enough there's opportunity to sneak in a few more it seems.

Yeah go ahead and post work in progress videos, that'll help us find things you might have missed.
Also I take it you are doing it segmented? I will probably go for a single-segment.