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snorlax: 2007-05-17 06:41:21 am
2007-05-17 06:32:31 am
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I found the list in Patbuns17's Character Lists FAQ on Game FAQs.  I'll just paste the important parts here for quick reference.

1: 3     33: 3     65: 1     97: 4     129: 8     161: 5     193: 2     225: 1
2: 4     34: 7     66: 4     98: 3     130: 4     162: 3     194: 1     226: 4
3: 3     35: 1     67: 3     99: 6     131: 4     163: 2     195: 2     227: 3
4: 6     36: 2     68: 2     100: 5    132: 2     164: 2     196: 6     228: 1
5: 2     37: 7     69: 6     101: 4    133: 7     165: 4     197: 8     229: 4
6: 2     38: 1     70: 4     102: 1    134: 4     166: 4     198: 4     230: 3
7: 7     39: 4     71: 3     103: 1    135: 2     167: 3     199: 1     231: 2
8: 5     40: 5     72: 2     104: 3    136: 2     168: 3     200: 1     232: 3
9: 3     41: 3     73: 1     105: 4    137: 2     169: 1     201: 4     233: 1
10: 5    42: 3     74: 4     106: 2    138: 7     170: 4     202: 3     234: 6
11: 5    43: 5     75: 5     107: 3    139: 6     171: 3     203: 1     235: 1
12: 1    44: 4     76: 5     108: 4    140: 1     172: 2     204: 3     236: 5
13: 6    45: 4     77: 2     109: 3    141: 5     173: 5     205: 5     237: 3
14: 2    46: 6     78: 3     110: 2    142: 3     174: 1     206: 8     238: 2
15: 5    47: 6     79: 3     111: 5    143: 4     175: 3     207: 5     239: 4
16: 1    48: 1     80: 6     112: 3    144: 1     176: 1     208: 2     240: 1
17: 2    49: 4     81: 2     113: 1    145: 3     177: 4     209: 2     241: 1
18: 4    50: 6     82: 3     114: 2    146: 5     178: 3     210: 2     242: 1
19: 5    51: 1     83: 5     115: 6    147: 2     179: 4     211: 7     243: 4
20: 7    52: 1     84: 1     116: 2    148: 3     180: 3     212: 8     244: 6
21: 4    53: 6     85: 6     117: 2    149: 5     181: 5     213: 3     245: 6
22: 2    54: 3     86: 2     118: 5    150: 4     182: 4     214: 5     246: 4
23: 4    55: 6     87: 3     119: 4    151: 1     183: 2     215: 4     247: 3
24: 7    56: 3     88: 1     120: 7    152: 6     184: 1     216: 2     248: 3
25: 1    57: 4     89: 2     121: 2    153: 2     185: 4     217: 2     249: 6
26: 4    58: 3     90: 4     122: 2    154: 1     186: 1     218: 1     250: 5
27: 2    59: 7     91: 1     123: 4    155: 1     187: 2     219: 3     251: 6
28: 1    60: 2     92: 3     124: 3    156: 4     188: 1     220: 3     252: 2
29: 1    61: 2     93: 4     125: 4    157: 1     189: 2     221: 1     253: 2
30: 4    62: 1     94: 2     126: 4    158: 3     190: 7     222: 1     254: 3
31: 6    63: 4     95: 3     127: 2    159: 4     191: 2     223: 3     255: 4
32: 6    64: 6     96: 6     128: 3    160: 1     192: 7     224: 1     256: 1

World Map(7,3) | 32b      1Eb     32b     1Eb     2Db     2Db     3Da     70b

32b ZOMBULLx1-4    TROLLx0-2

1Eb GIANTx2-4

2Db FrWOLFx4-7

3Da TYROx1-1

70b WYVERNx1-4

So, to answer my initial question, the battle sequence for the PNEOP after a game reset is Zombull/Troll, Giant, Zombull/Troll, Frost Wolf, Giant, etc.  The only time my advice would likely be practical is if you hit the PNEOP in the third battle of the sequence, so you could follow a Zombull/Troll fight with a Frost Wolf fight.

Again, I haven't looked at the G/EXP numbers for that fight, but I still think it's a possibility, and I don't understand your concerns about FIR2 spells when ideally you would only be using one per fight in a battle with either Zombulls or Frost Wolves.

After seeing how well this table turned out here, I decided to paste the rest of the relevant tables, but the last two tables didn't turn out quite as well.  I might go through and fix them later; however, they are still readable as they are.
snorlax
2007-05-17 06:36:45 am
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Area you're    |
in to fight    |Btl. 1  Btl. 2  Btl. 3  Btl. 4  Btl. 5  Btl. 6  Btl. 7  Btl. 8
the enemies    |
              |
All Sea Battles| 5Ba      5Cb    5Ca    5Db    5Ea    5Bb    5Da    5Eb
N. Half Rivers | 20b      20b    65a    41a    65a    62a    62a    62b
S. Half Rivers | 20a      5Fa    20a    5Fa    25b    50b    5Fb    65b
World Map(0,0) | 9a      7a      2a      6b      3b      3b      Ca      7b
World Map(0,1) | 71a      19b    71a    19b    22b    22b    37b    31b
World Map(0,2) | 71a      19b    71a    19b    22b    22b    37b    31b
World Map(0,3) |Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing
World Map(0,4) |Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing
World Map(0,5) | 8b      Ab      13a    Ab      Cb      Bb      19a    66b
World Map(0,6) |Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing
World Map(0,7) |Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing
World Map(1,0) | 63b      31a    70a    2Ea    70a    60a    36a    1Fb
World Map(1,1) | 63b      31a    70a    2Ea    70a    60a    36a    1Fb
World Map(1,2) | 71a      19b    71a    19b    22b    22b    37b    31b
World Map(1,3) |Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing
World Map(1,4) | 8b      Ab      13a    Ab      Cb      Bb      19a    66b
World Map(1,5) | 8b      Ab      13a    Ab      Cb      Bb      19a    66b
World Map(1,6) |Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing
World Map(1,7) |Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing
World Map(2,0) | 9b      70a    3Ca    60a    3Ca    39a    39a    3Aa
World Map(2,1) | 37a      37a    25a    25a    36a    36a    38a    37b
World Map(2,2) |Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing
World Map(2,3) |Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing
World Map(2,4) | 3b      Da      7b      Ca      7b      Ba      12a    13a
World Map(2,5) | 8b      Ab      13a    Ab      Cb      Bb      19a    66b
World Map(2,6) | Eb      Ca      Eb      Fa      Ba      12a    13a    1Aa
World Map(2,7) | Eb      Ca      Eb      Fa      Ba      12a    13a    1Aa
World Map(3,0) | 6Fb      60a    67a    39a    67a    3Aa    37b    31b
World Map(3,1) | 6Fb      60a    67a    39a    67a    3Aa    37b    31b
World Map(3,2) | 37a      37a    25a    25a    36a    36a    38a    37b
World Map(3,3) | 1a      5a      2b      0a      6a      7a      0b      6b
World Map(3,4) | 3b      Da      7b      Ca      7b      Ba      12a    13a
World Map(3,5) | 3b      Da      7b      Ca      7b      Ba      12a    13a
World Map(3,6) | 3b      Da      7b      Ca      7b      Ba      12a    13a
World Map(3,7) | Eb      Ca      Eb      Fa      Ba      12a    13a    1Aa
World Map(4,0) | 6Fb      60a    67a    39a    67a    3Aa    37b    31b
World Map(4,1) | 6Fb      60a    67a    39a    67a    3Aa    37b    31b
World Map(4,2) |Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing
World Map(4,3) | 1a      5a      2b      0a      6a      7a      0b      6b
World Map(4,4) | 0a      0a      0a      0a      2b      3a      6a      0b 
World Map(4,5) |Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing
World Map(4,6) | 3b      Da      7b      Ca      7b      Ba      12a    13a
World Map(4,7) | 3b      Da      7b      Ca      7b      Ba      12a    13a
World Map(5,0) | 9b      70a    3Ca    60a    3Ca    39a    39a    3Aa
World Map(5,1) | 71b      3Db    71b    3Db    38b    38b    3Cb    3Ea
World Map(5,2) | 71b      3Db    71b    3Db    38b    38b    3Cb    3Ea
World Map(5,3) | 3b      Da      7b      Ca      7b      Ba      Ba      13a
World Map(5,4) | 9a      8a      2a      6b      3b      3b      Ca      7b
World Map(5,5) | Da      14a    3b      Eb      Ca      Ca      Ba      11a
World Map(5,6) | Eb      Ca      Eb      Fa      Ba      12a    13a    1Aa
World Map(5,7) | Eb      Ca      Eb      Fa      Ba      12a    13a    1Aa
World Map(6,0) | 63b      31a    70a    2Ea    70a    60a    36a    1Fb
World Map(6,1) | 71b      3Db    71b    3Db    38b    38b    3Cb    3Ea
World Map(6,2) | 71b      3Db    71b    3Db    38b    38b    3Cb    3Ea
World Map(6,3) |Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing
World Map(6,4) | 9a      8a      2a      6b      3b      3b      Ca      7b
World Map(6,5) | Eb      Ca      Eb      Fa      Ba      12a    13a    1Aa
World Map(6,6) | 17a      63a    15b    1Ea    15b    1Bb    1Bb    1Ab
World Map(6,7) | 17a      63a    15b    1Ea    15b    1Bb    1Bb    1Ab
World Map(7,0) | 63b      31a    70a    2Ea    70a    60a    36a    1Fb
World Map(7,1) | 32b      1Eb    32b    1Eb    2Db    2Db    3Da    70b
World Map(7,2) | 32b      1Eb    32b    1Eb    2Db    2Db    3Da    70b
World Map(7,3) | 32b      1Eb    32b    1Eb    2Db    2Db    3Da    70b
World Map(7,4) | Eb      Ca      Eb      Fa      Ba      12a    13a    1Aa
World Map(7,5) | Eb      Ca      Eb      Fa      Ba      12a    13a    1Aa
World Map(7,6) | 17a      63a    15b    1Ea    15b    1Bb    1Bb    1Ab
World Map(7,7) | 17a      63a    15b    1Ea    15b    1Bb    1Bb    1Ab
Temple of Fiend| 1a      5a      4a      8a      7a      3b      2a      Eb
Marsh Cave B1  | Aa      Aa      5b      4b      1b      66a    6Ba    11a
Marsh Cave B2  | 4b      5b      10a    1b      2Ba    66a    1Aa    11b
Marsh Cave B3  | 5b      10a    2Ba    6Ba    66a    11a    1Aa    11b
Earth Cave B1  | 15a      15a    64a    Db      13b    10b    66b    1Da
Earth Cave B2  | Db      64a    10b    13b    11b    14b    1Ba    1Ea
Earth Cave B3  | 11b      13b    1Ca    Fb      18a    16a    1Da    12b
Earth Cave B4  | 1Ca      Fb      18a    63a    16a    Ea      Ea      12b
Earth Cave B5  | 63a      18a    14b    1Ba    1Ea    1Da    12b    21a
Titan's Tunnel | 13a      13a    Bb      Bb      Bb      19a    19a    14b
Gurgu VolcanoB1| 6Fa      6Fa    6Aa    6Ea    17b    1Ab    1Ab    6Bb
Gurgu VolcanoB2| 6Aa      6Ea    1Fa    17b    23a    24a    6Bb    27a
Gurgu VolcanoB3| 1Fa      6Ea    6Da    24a    23a    22a    6Eb    27a
Gurgu VolcanoB4| 6Da      24a    28a    64b    26a    6Eb    29a    2Aa
Gurgu VolcanoB5| 28a      64b    6Eb    26a    22a    27a    29a    2Aa
Ice Cave B1    | 1Cb      1Cb    16b    16b    2Bb    2Cb    2Cb    30a
Ice Cave B2    | 18b      18b    6Ca    2Cb    2Fa    2Ca    2Ea    30a
Ice Cave B3    | 2Bb      2Fa    2Cb    6Ca    2Ea    31a    30a    2Da
CastleOrdeals1F|Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing Nothing
CastleOrdeals2F| 32a      32a    6Ab    34a    33a    1Db    35a    4Ba
CastleOrdeals3F| 6Ab      34a    33a    1Db    1Db    35a    35a    4Ba
Sea Shrine B1  | 43a      43a    72a    42a    47a    58a    58a    45a
Sea Shrine B2  | 5Aa      72a    7Eb    46b    5Ab    48a    49a    61a
Sea Shrine B3  | 42a      72a    47a    5Aa    5Ab    7Eb    45a    61a
Sea Shrine B4  | 61b      44b    7Eb    46b    42b    48a    43b    72b
Sea Shrine B5  | 44b      61b    48a    42b    49b    43b    43b    72b
Waterfall      | 4Fa      3Fa    4Fa    3Fa    4Ab    4Ab    23b    59a
Mirage Tower 1F| 4Fb      4Fb    68a    3Ba    4Ca    34b    67b    39b
Mirage Tower 2F| 3Ba      6Db    4Ca    68a    4Aa    67b    39b    4Ea
Mirage Tower 3F| 6Db      68a    67b    4Aa    34b    3Eb    3Eb    4Ea
Sky Palace 1F  | 4Da      52a    69a    4Da    54a    36b    40a    50a
Sky Palace 2F  | 52a      69a    36b    55b    54a    40a    58b    50a
Sky Palace 3F  | 4Cb      33b    55b    36b    24b    58b    53a    56b
Sky Palace 4F  | 33b      4Cb    41b    51a    35b    53a    52b    56b
Sky Palace 5F  | 41b      51a    35b    24b    52b    50a    56a    56b
ToF Revisited1F| 57a      57a    30b    30b    30b    3Bb    3Bb    50b
ToF Revisited2F| 4Bb      4Bb    2Eb    2Eb    55a    55a    50b    53b
ToF Revisited3F| 4Db      4Db    59b    59b    59b    2Fb    2Fb    53b
ToF:R Earth    | 3Fb      40b    3Fb    40b    21b    21b    21b    3Ab
ToF:R Fire    | 28b      28b    26b    26b    29b    29b    27b    2Ab
ToF:R Water    | 49b      44a    49b    44a    45b    45b    48b    47b
ToF:R Air      | 51b      57b    68b    58b    54b    53b    6Cb    7Fb
snorlax
2007-05-17 06:38:48 am
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Group "a"

Here you will find the enemies that end with "a"

Battle #        Battle #            Battle #            Battle #
    Enemies            Enemies            Enemies            Enemies


0a  IMPx3-5        1a  BONEx2-4        2a  GrIMPx1-3      3a  WOLFx1-2
    Nothing            Nothing            WOLFx0-2            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            GrWOLFx0-2          Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
4a  ZOMBIEx2-4      5a  SPIDERx1-2      6a  MADPONYx1-1    7a  CREEPx1-2
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
8a  GHOULx1-1      9a  Nothing        Aa  SHADOWx2-4      Ba  GrWOLFx2-5
    Nothing            IGUANAx1-1          Nothing            WOLFx0-3
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
Ca  OGREx1-2        Da  ASPx1-2        Ea  GrIMPx0-5      Fa  Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            WrWOLFx1-3          GEISTx1-4
    Nothing            Nothing            GIANTx0-2          Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
10a GARGOYLEx2-3    11a WrWOLFx3-6      12a Nothing        13a GrOGREx1-1
    Nothing            Nothing            ARACHNIDx1-4        OGREx1-2
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
14a ARACHNIDx1-2    15a COBRAx2-6      16a COCTRICEx2-6    17a PEDEx1-4
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
18a IMAGEx2-6      19a Nothing        1Aa SCORPIONx2-4    1Ba TROLLx1-2
    Nothing            TIGERx1-3          Nothing            BULLx0-1
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
1Ca WIZARDx2-4      1Da MUMMYx2-5      1Ea GIANTx1-2      1Fa GIANTx1-2
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            IGUANAx0-3
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
20a HYDRAx1-2      21a EARTHx1-1      22a CEREBUSx0-1    23a PERILISKx2-5
    Nothing            Nothing            WzOOGREx1-2        Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
24a R.HYDRAx1-1    25a OCHOx1-3        26a R.GIANTx1-2    27a FIREx1-2
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
28a Grey Wx1-1      29a AGAMAx1-1      2Aa Red Dx1-1      2Ba R BONEx1-1
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            BONEx2-4
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            CRAWLx1-1
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
2Ca WRAITHx1-5      2Da FrWOLFx3-7      2Ea FrGIANTx1-1    2Fa MAGEx1-4
    IMAGEx0-3          Nothing            FrWOLFx0-2          Nothing
    SPECTERx0-3        Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    GEISTx0-3          Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
30a FrostDx1-2      31a GrPEDEx1-1      32a ZOMBULLx1-3    33a MANCATx3-5
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
34a MEDUSAx2-5      35a SORCERERx2-5    36a MANTICORx1-3    37a WYRMx1-3
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
38a R ANKYLOx1-3    39a CATMANx2-4      3Aa SAURIAx1-2      3Ba CHIMERAx1-3
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
3Ca Sand Wx1-1      3Da TYROx1-1        3Ea Nothing        3Fa MudGOLx1-3
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            T REXx1-1          Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
40a GrMEDUSAx1-4    41a NAOCHOx1-1      42a SeaTROLLx1-2    43a LOBSTERx2-6
    Nothing            Nothing            LOBSTERx1-3        Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
44a LOBSTERx1-6    45a WzSAHAGx0-1    46a Nothing        47a NAGAx1-1
    SeaSNAKEx2-5        GrSHARKx1-2        PHANTOMx1-1        WATERx0-1
    SeaTROLLx2-2        Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
48a GrSHARKx1-1    49a WATERx1-3      4Aa WzMUMMYx1-5    4Ba ZombieDx1-2
    BigEYEx0-1          Nothing            MUMMYx0-8          Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            COCTRICEx0-8        Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            PERILISKx0-8        Nothing
4Ca GUARDx2-5      4Da BADMANx2-5      4Ea Blue Dx1-1      4Fa NITEMAREx1-3
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
50a SLIMEx3-6      51a AIRx2-4        52a GrNAGAx1-1      53a WzVAMPx1-3
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
54a EVILMANx1-1    55a CHIMERAx1-2    56a WARMECHx1-1    57a WORMx1-2
    NITEMAREx1-2        JIMERAx1-2          Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
58a RockGOLx1-2    59a Gas Dx1-1      5Aa GrSHARKx1-2    5Ba SAHAGx0-6
    Nothing            Nothing            SHARKx0-1          Nothing   
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            OddEYEx1-2
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
5Ca KYZOKUx1-5      5Da SHARKx1-2      5Ea SHARKx1-1      5Fa CARIBEx2-6
    Nothing            SAHAGx0-2          R.SAHAGx0-1        Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
60a HYDRAx1-2      61a SeaTROLLx1-2    62a FrGATORx1-2    63a TROLLx1-2
    OCHOx0-2            SeaSNAKEx0-2        R.CARIBEx0-3        Nothing
    Nothing            LOBSTERx0-2        Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
64a BULLx1-2        65a CARIBEx0-2      66a ARACHNIDx1-2    67a CATMANx1-3
    Nothing            GATORx0-2          SPIDERx0-2          Saber Tx0-2
    Nothing            OCHOx1-1            SCUMx0-1            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            MUCKx0-1            Nothing
68a Nothing        69a EYEx1-1        6Aa R.GOYLEx2-5    6Ba MUCKx1-3
    VAMPIREx2-5        Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
6Ca SORCERERx1-3    6Da CEREBUSx1-2    6Ea WzOGREx1-1      6Fa SPHINXx1-2
    Nothing            Nothing            GrOGREx1-1          Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            HYENAx0-7          Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
70a WYVERNx1-3      71a ANKYLOx1-1      72a SEASNAKEx2-4    73a LICHx1-1
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
74a*KARYx1-1        75a*KRAKENx1-1      76a*TIAMATx1-1      77a TIAMATx1-1
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
78a KRAKENx1-1      79a KARYx1-1        7Aa LICHx1-1        7Ba CHAOSx1-1
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
7Ca VAMPIREx1-1    7Da ASTOSx1-1      7Ea Nothing        7Fa GARLANDx1-1
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            PIRATEx9-9          Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing

* These are fiends from the Temple of Fiends:Revisited
snorlax
2007-05-17 06:39:36 am
zzzzzzzzzz
Group "b"

Here you will find the enemies that end with "b"
The Maxmimum number of different types of enemies here is 2, instead of 4.


Battle #        Battle #            Battle #            Battle #
    Enemies            Enemies            Enemies            Enemies


0b  IMPx3-6        1b  BONEx3-5        2b  GrIMPx1-3      3b  WOLFx4-6
    GrIMPx0-4          CRAWLx0-2          Nothing            GrWOLFx0-1
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
4b  ZOMBIEx2-3      5b  Nothing        6b  MADPONYx2-4    7b  CREEPx1-3
    GHOULx2-4          SCUMx2-4            Nothing            OGREx1-1
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
8b  GHOULx2-5      9b  GIANTx1-3      Ab  SHADOWx3-7      Bb  GrWOLFx4-8
    GESITx0-4          IGUANAx0-2          Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
Cb  OGREx1-3        Db  ASPx3-7        Eb  GrIMPx2-5      Fb  SPECTERx2-5
    HYENAx0-2          Nothing            WrWOLFx0-2          GEISTx2-5
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
10b GARGOYLEx3-8    11b WrWOLFx2-5      12b OOZEx2-5        13b GrOGREx1-4
    Nothing            GrWOLFx0-5          ARACHNIDx0-5        OGREx0-2
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
14b ARACHNIDx4-8    15b COBRAx2-6      16b COCTRICEx2-6    17b PEDEx1-6
    Nothing            SCORPIONx0-4        MUMMYx1-5          Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
18b IMAGEx2-6      19b Saber Tx1-3    1Ab SCORPIONx2-6    1Bb TROLLx1-2
    WRAITHx0-4          TIGERx0-2          BULLx1-2            BULLx0-2
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
1Cb WIZARDx3-7      1Db MUMMYx3-7      1Eb GIANTx2-4      1Fb GIANTx1-4
    Nothing            WzMUMMYx1-1        Nothing            IGUANAx1-1
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
20b HYDRAx1-4      21b EARTHx2-4      22b CEREBUSx1-3    23b PERILISKx4-8
    GATORx0-3          Nothing            WzOOGREx0-2        Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
24b R.HYDRAx4-4    25b OCHOx1-1        26b R.GIANTx1-1    27b FIREx3-4
    Nothing            CARIBEx0-2          AGAMAx0-3          Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
28b Grey Wx2-4      29b AGAMAx2-4      2Ab Red Dx2-4      2Bb R BONEx3-6
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
2Cb WRAITHx2-6      2Db FrWOLFx4-7      2Eb FrGIANTx2-2    2Fb MAGEx2-3
    Nothing            Nothing            FrWOLFx2-6          FIGHTERx1-1
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
30b FrostDx3-4      31b GrPEDEx1-2      32b ZOMBULLx1-4    33b MANCATx3-7
    Nothing            Nothing            TROLLx0-2          MEDUSAx0-5
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
34b MEDUSAx3-6      35b SORCERERx1-6    36b MANTICORx3-4    37b WYRMx1-3
    Saber Tx1-2        MudGOLx1-2          Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
38b R ANKYLOx1-4    39b CATMANx3-6      3Ab SAURIAx2-4      3Bb CHIMERAx3-4
    Nothing            Saber Tx1-2        Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
3Cb Sand Wx1-2      3Db TYROx1-1        3Eb WYVERNx1-3      3Fb MudGOLx1-4
    Nothing            WYVERNx0-1          WYRMx0-5            RockGOLx1-3
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
40b GrMEDUSAx4-7    41b NAOCHOx1-2      42b SeaTROLLx1-2    43b LOBSTERx3-7
    Nothing            Nothing            LOBSTERx1-4        Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
44b LOBSTERx1-5    45b WzSAHAGx3-6    46b GHOSTx2-5      47b NAGAx1-2
    SeaSNAKEx0-3        GrSHARKx2-2        Nothing            WATERx3-6
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
48b GrSHARKx1-2    49b WATERx3-6      4Ab WzMUMMYx1-2    4Bb ZombieDx2-4
    BigEYEx1-2          Nothing            MUMMYx1-6          Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
4Cb GUARDx0-1      4Db BADMANx5-9      4Eb Blue Dx2-3      4Fb NITEMAREx1-2
    SENTRYx1-1          Nothing            Nothing            BADMANx1-2
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
50b SLIMEx4-8      51b AIRx3-6        52b GrNAGAx0-1      53b WzVAMPx1-3
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            ZOMBIEDx1-2
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
54b EVILMANx1-2    55b CHIMERAx1-1    56b Nothing        57b WORMx3-4
    NITEMAREx1-2        Nothing            FIGHTERx1-2        Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
58b RockGOLx2-4    59b Gas Dx2-4      5Ab GrSHARKx1-2    5Bb SAHAGx3-7
    Nothing            Nothing            SHARKx0-1          R.SAHAGx0-2
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
5Cb Nothing        5Db Nothing        5Eb SHARKx1-2      5Fb CARIBEx3-8
    SHARKx1-1          SAHAGx4-6          R.SAHAGx0-3        Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
60b HYDRAx1-1      61b SeaTROLLx1-1    62b FrGATORx1-1    63b TROLLx2-4
    OCHOx0-1            SeaSNAKEx0-3        R.CARIBEx1-4        Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
64b BULLx2-4        65b CARIBEx2-4      66b ARACHNIDx3-6    67b CATMANx4-7
    Nothing            GATORx0-2          SPIDERx0-2          Nothing   
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
68b WzVAMPx1-1      69b EYEx2-3        6Ab R.GOYLEx3-7    6Bb MUCKx4-7
    VAMPIREx3-6        Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
6Cb SORCERERx3-7    6Db CEREBUSx3-4    6Eb WzOGREx1-3      6Fb SPHINXx1-4
    Nothing            Nothing            GrOGREx0-2          Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
70b WYVERNx1-4      71b ANKYLOx1-2      72b SEASNAKEx3-6    73b Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
74b Nothing        75b Nothing        76b Nothing        77b Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
78b Nothing        79b Nothing        7Ab Nothing        7Bb Nothing   
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
7Cb Nothing        7Db Nothing        7Eb WzSAHAG1-2      7Fb Nothing   
    Nothing            Nothing            R.SAHAGx8-8        IRONGOLx1-2
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
    Nothing            Nothing            Nothing            Nothing
WarMech
2007-05-17 08:55:39 pm
Quote:
So, to answer my initial question, the battle sequence for the PNEOP after a game reset is Zombull/Troll, Giant, Zombull/Troll, Frost Wolf, Giant, etc.  The only time my advice would likely be practical is if you hit the PNEOP in the third battle of the sequence, so you could follow a Zombull/Troll fight with a Frost Wolf fight.

Again, I haven't looked at the G/EXP numbers for that fight, but I still think it's a possibility, and I don't understand your concerns about FIR2 spells when ideally you would only be using one per fight in a battle with either Zombulls or Frost Wolves.


This is very interesting and might have some use in this run.  I actually did use this same sort of premise when I was originally planning my run.  For example, when I am fighting the Kyzokus in the first few segments, I realized that if I turned the power off at the end of each segment, the first fight would always contain Kyzokus.  However, if I just hit reset, it would not always be Kyzokus and would continue with the cycle until it was set to encounter them again.

The same sort of thing applies to the Zombull/Troll combo in the PoP bits.  If I turn the power off, I will always get a Zombull fight in the first round because they are "group 1" which makes manipulating them much easier (getting only one in the beginning or getting 4 in the later parts).

But to answer your question, the reason I fight 4 Zombulls instead of a pack of Frost Wolves is because the Zombulls REATLY reduce the number of trips I need to take to the inn because tents and cabins do not restore the Fire 2 to my Red Mage.  The way it works is that the Red Mage gets 1 "Level 3" spell when he reaches level 6.  The first segments of the game are calculated so perfectly that defeating Astos gives me exactly enough experience to reach level 6 for my group.  At this point, I go to the PoP and use Fire 2 on the 1st set of Zombulls.  I then use a house and a tent to save it and get my Fire 2 back.  After defeating the 2nd set of Zombulls, my group gains just enough XP to get to level 7 at which point my Red Mage has 2 "Level 3" spells.  After returning to the inn to get the spells back, I then return to the PoP to fight a 3rd and then a 4th set of Zombulls using Fire 2 only once on each of them.  All together, I fight 4 sets of 4 Zombulls and get to level 8 with enough gold to buy the silver swords, iron armor, Fast, and the heals and pures I will need to defeat Lich and make it through the God-forsaken Ice Cave as quickly as I can.  With any less XP, I don't reach level 8 and with any less gold, I can't buy the equipment and items necessary to make the next part of the game reasonable.

The problem, then, is that fighting the Frost Wolves, does not give me the Gold and XP I need quickly enough.  They only give half the XP and a third of the Gold per fight that the Zombulls do.  So basically, I would need to fight more battles, and therefore take more trips to the inn to recharge my Fire 2's every two fights!  Each trip back to the inn from the PoP costs about 1 minute and 30 seconds which is far more than the time I might save by fighting the wolves... not to mention that I would need to fight 2-3 packs of Wolves for every set of Zombulls.

So in essence for a similar amount of Gold and XP:

Zombulls-4 total fights (1min 30sec each) using 1 house and 1 trip to the inn (1min 30sec each)... total time is about 8 minutes.  16800XP = Level 8 and 16800 Gold.

Frost Wolves-10 total fights (40-45sec each) using 1 house and 4 trips to the inn (1min 30sec each)... total time is about 13 minutes.  28140XP = Level 9 and 14000 Gold

Even if I only fought 6 packs of wolves which would get me the same amount of XP and would also take about 8 minutes, I would be so short on Gold that I wouldn't be able to buy Fast (which means an additional trip to Elftown late in the game) and the next several segments would be slower because I would have to cut back on equipment and items I get as well like iron armor and silver swords.

Throughout the game, I look at the most cost effective ways of leveling using XP and Gold received as a function of time in each of the 3 sections where I found power-leveling to be essential.  I came up with Zombulls and the EYE to be the best answers to this problem.

WarMech
snorlax
2007-05-18 04:21:28 am
zzzzzzzzzz
The only issue I had with your reasoning was that you only cited Fire 2 limitations as the reason why you couldn't fight Frost Wolves, which doesn't make sense considering either battle only takes one Fire 2 spell.  The fact that the Zombulls give much more Gold and EXP completely justifies this part of your route.
WarMech
2007-05-18 07:24:22 pm
Gotcha.  I'm just trying to get the XP and Gold I need in as few fights as possible.  The same sort of reasoning works later with the leveling segment with the EYE.  It is easy to kill so long as you are protected with Pro-Rings and it gives tons of XP and Gold very quickly.  Plus, you can run into them every step so each fight does not require it's own segment.

On a side note, I picked up the game again the other day and realized that I had left off right before the Zombull bit on the PoP.  I checked my status and realized that I had 4011 gold so buying a silver sword to fight them is simply perfect and could easily cut 10-15 seconds off each fight!  Swett.  Also, have you (or anyone else) gotten a chance to look at the rest of the run for other suggestions?  I'm mostly just trying to find a way to push through the last few caves even faster (using Warp or other means) and I'm still a little up in the air about the Tail/Bahamut bit but I think Warp alone almost makes it worthwhile.

WarMech
snorlax
2007-05-19 12:07:20 am
zzzzzzzzzz
I will be looking at the rest of the route tonight hopefully.  Also feel free to come back with any issues you are having during playthroughs.  I'm looking forward to updates.
WarMech
2007-05-21 10:59:35 pm
Quick update with a little more good news:

I've been working on another test run over the last few days and all of the improvements that we've talked about so far have saved a good three minutes so far in various segments.  The other good news is that I must have mistimed segment 19 because this time through, it only took 5.5-6 minutes rather than 8.  So all together, I'm about 5 minutes ahead of my last run through as of the start of segment 20 (beginning of the Earth Cave).  I never thought that I could optimize this part of the game more than I had already so thanks to everyone who has contributed.

I'm hoping to buy some good quality VHS tapes and try recording a little bit so see if the quality is good enough.  Does the quality/size of the TV make a difference on VHS (because my TV is kinda crappy)?

Also, I think I forgot to pose a question in my earlier posts about timing.  I remember reading that SDA begins timing when you gain control of the character, but what about the end of the segment?  I've been timing it based on when the game posts the message "Now Saving..." after a tent or inn visit because at that point the data is saved and it's safe to turn off the NES (as opposed to when I actually turn the power off).  I don't really care, but I just wanted to know for my own sake.

WarMech
Enhasa
2007-05-22 10:43:09 pm
everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music
Sweet, finding out you mistimed too long is like finding $20 in your pocket. Tongue

Your TV makes absolutely no difference when it comes to recording quality. It's just what you as a person see. In fact, you could do things like turn your brightness up all the way and nobody could tell because it's the VCR that is doing the recording.

The only thing you should keep in mind for quality is to record with your VCR in SP mode. This makes the tapes last about 2 hours, which is fine especially because you're segmenting. The tradeoff is video quality vs tape length.

What you said is correct about timing, in where the start and stop points of segments would be. BUT, it's a moot point anyway due to your game. If a game has a working, visible timer (like FF1 and most RPGs), then the way it's timed is: the last occurrence that the timer is visible + manual timing until the end of the run. In this case, that would be the final hit on Chaos.


Good luck!
WarMech
2007-05-22 10:58:49 pm
Nice, thanks Enhasa.  I've already admitted to being a technical noob, but that VCR stuff makes sense.  I double checked today and I'm pretty sure I can figure out the SP mode... and since VHS tapes are so cheap, I don't really have a problem if I go though 10 or 20 or them.  The advantage for me is that most of my segments are reset in a matter of seconds when I don't get an ideal fight so as long as I don't mess up and play for two hours without switching tapes or rewinding, I should be fine.

Actually, I don't think FF1 has a reliable in game timer which is why I asked about the timing of the segments.  In the startup screen, you are asked to Continue or begin a New Game and there is no indication of the current time of the saved game.  Also, even in the ingame menu, I don't believe the game displays the time anywhere that I could see.  Most other Final Fantasy games do, but I guess this one is the exception.  I'm pretty sure the PS1 remake does display time, but because I'm running on the NES version, all the segments will have to be manually timed.
Enhasa
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Actually, I don't think FF1 has a reliable in game timer which is why I asked about the timing of the segments.  In the startup screen, you are asked to Continue or begin a New Game and there is no indication of the current time of the saved game.  Also, even in the ingame menu, I don't believe the game displays the time anywhere that I could see.  Most other Final Fantasy games do, but I guess this one is the exception.  I'm pretty sure the PS1 remake does display time, but because I'm running on the NES version, all the segments will have to be manually timed.

God, you're right, I'm such a moron. Sad I haven't even played the PS1 remake either, so I have no excuse.

I guess they had no space left since they really needed to have the 4 orbs indicator at all times. :-/
GooberGrape
2007-06-03 05:59:44 am
Abobo smash!
Oh man, I haven't looked at this game in a while.

If you're going to segment the early game anyway, there's a lot of things you can be doing that invoke true speed.

4 Rapiers, 4 Chains, kill Garland, kill PIRATEs, sail to Coneria, save/poweroff.  When you resume, hit the ship, first encounter is always KYZOKU.  Kill them, go to Dwarf Cave, directly north of the stairs is two chests (575 and 480).  Go back to inn, save/poweroff.  Sail to Pravoka (you get another KYZOKU encounter here), get 4 Short Swords.  Now either hit POP or do more save/poweroff KYZOKU from Coneria (saves steps) until you're ready.

This allows you to essentially skip the early game, not waste any money (and time, and nerves) on TENTs, and be really fast.  It's about a million less steps too.

I'll post more as you get along.  Glad someone is working on this game again.


-GG
snorlax
2007-06-03 06:42:03 am
zzzzzzzzzz
Quote:
Oh man, I haven't looked at this game in a while.

If you're going to segment the early game anyway, there's a lot of things you can be doing that invoke true speed.

4 Rapiers, 4 Chains, kill Garland, kill PIRATEs, sail to Coneria, save/poweroff.  When you resume, hit the ship, first encounter is always KYZOKU.  Kill them, go to Dwarf Cave, directly north of the stairs is two chests (575 and 480).  Go back to inn, save/poweroff.  Sail to Pravoka (you get another KYZOKU encounter here), get 4 Short Swords.  Now either hit POP or do more save/poweroff KYZOKU from Coneria (saves steps) until you're ready.

This allows you to essentially skip the early game, not waste any money (and time, and nerves) on TENTs, and be really fast.  It's about a million less steps too.

I'll post more as you get along.  Glad someone is working on this game again.


-GG


Please read the thread if you're going to contribute.
WarMech
2007-06-03 07:22:28 am
Sorry I've been slow with updates everyone.  I've been working on my final test run before I begin recording for real.  As of the beginning of the Ice Cave, I'm almost 7 minutes ahead of my original predicted time.  With a little more luck, perseverence, and maybe another breakthrough, I'm almost certain we can bring this run to under three hours which is pretty amazing for a game I first thought would take no less than 10.

GG, please read my route as posted on page 1 of this thread.  I do begin powerleveling at the PoP at level 3 with the short swords, but as it turns out, the dwarf cave is a waste of time that early in the game.  5 Kyzokus give you some much needed experience at that point as well as some big money.  I can't imagine it being worth it to travel all the way to the dwarf cave with all those encounters just to save two fights which only take 1:30 each (and lose out on the XP).

However, I'm glad to see the continuous support of my run.  It is still my goal to be done by the end of the summer and add FF1 to the ever-growing list of old school RPGs.

-WarMech
Red_Scarlet
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Red_Scarlet: 2007-06-04 01:08:12 pm
2007-06-04 01:06:38 pm
&quot;I like to watch&quot;
FF2 and 3 didn't have an in-game timer, either.  4 was the first one.

3FT and a RM should be the best group to use in the NES one, yeah.

Reading your route out, I can see why what I did wouldn't be helpful, they're quite different.

As I learned from a different run, what may be obvious knowledge to one may not be to another, so just in case you don't know, you can land the airship on top of the oasis when you buy the bottle.  Also, there are no fights on the top floor of the Undersea Shrine.

Are you getting the Dragon Sword at the Dwarf Cave? I didn't see it mentioned, but I'd imagine since you are buying 3 Silver Swords that you may pick up the Dragon Sword for your Red Mage?

Good luck with your run!
PapaPondy
2007-06-09 11:38:59 am
I love that someone is finally doning this. I have played this game forever but I have never tried anything like this. And I have been waiting for a FF1 speed run for a long time. Best of luck to you and please oh please keep us all posted on your progress. Even if your in a horrible slump I'll do my best to keep the spirits high Smiley


BTW I think speed runs for other parties should be made too. How fast coul you beat 4 black mages?  That would take some intense plannig I think. If everyone thinks its crap then maybe I'll do it. But then again I have a full college schedule with adv chem, adv bio, statistics math and physics Sad
Ranti84
2007-06-12 11:34:26 pm
the Watching Shadow
The beginning of 4 bm would be rather boring I suppose but if you manage to get enough money for all your spells and can manipulate your luck to get the spells off you need...yay for pwnage :P.

How's the run coming Warmech?
snorlax
2007-06-13 04:33:06 am
zzzzzzzzzz
I highly doubt there's a place on this site for runs using different parties, but feel free to make one for your own entertainment.  I'm going to look at the rest of the route now and see if I can come up with anything else that might be helpful.

1.  The Silver Armor would probably be good for your Red Mage.

2.  Likewise, and I believe I said this before, you should experiment with giving your Red Mage a Silver Sword or whatever is most convenient.  He's not a bad fighter.

3.  Clearly if you are short on gold at all in this area, those two chests in the Dwarf Cave are the first place to look.

4.  I think a good goal in the Earth Cave might be to avoid all Wizard fights if possible (since they can't be run from).  This would require knowing the encounter order fairly well for each trip.  On the third floor, we are trying to avoid 1CA, which is encounter #3 on the list.  It looks like battle #9 (and a few before it) and battle #33 will give you a Wizard battle, with none in between.  My thought is that if you are not consistently getting 9 battles in before you get to the third floor, you should make your last save point further from the Earth Cave, perhaps at Melmond, but maybe somewhere in between.

5.  On the second trip through the Earth Cave, Wizards are again the battle to avoid on the third floor.  They are also the only battle to avoid on the fourth floor, where they switch to a different encounter number.  On the final floor, you'd obviously want to avoid the battles with Earths.  Getting around all of these battles might be tricky but may be possible.  Let's take a closer look at the encounter list.

As in the first trip to the Earth Cave, you want to navigate through the third floor sometime between your 9th and 33rd encounters.  However, on the fourth floor the Wizard battle changes to battle #1.  The best spot in the encounter list for avoiding battle #1 looks like between the 16th and 25th encounters.  Once you get to the fifth floor, you'll want to avoid the Earth fights, which are fight #8 on that floor.  However, you won't reach fight #8 until the 129th encounter, so that's not really a concern.

In conclusion, on your second trip through the Earth Cave, you'll want to make sure that you've had at least 9 encounters before reaching the third floor and at least 16 encounters before reaching the fourth floor, but don't exceed 24 encounters before reaching the fifth floor.  I'm not sure about the exact pacing of the encounters, but I'm thinking a good bet will be saving either immediately after leaving the Earth Cave the first time or right after getting the Rod from Sarda.  Waiting until right before the second Earth Cave trip to save will probably leave you too early in the encounter list when you get to the third and fourth floors.

6.  I likely agree about skipping the Titan's Cave treasure, along with probably all of the stuff in the Earth Cave.  There's not much of interest there beyond gold.

7.  You probably want to keep all of your armor accessories for the trips through the Castle of Ordeals and Ice Cave, as those are not going to be pleasant.

8.  I'm considering looking through the Castle of Ordeals encounter list in a similar fashion to the Earth Cave above.  Zombulls can't be run from, but you'll probably have to fight some of them anyway, and most of the battles on that floor might give you some difficulty in running.  And I think we all know how frustrating Sorcerers can be; that might be who I'd want to avoid.  I think I'll wait for a response for you here before continuing to look at the route.

9.  One last thing that I think I should mention.  When you are outside and need to heal, always heal with a Tent over a Heal Potion, unless you need to heal only one warrior.  They renew the same amount of HP as a Tent for all warriors for only slightly more than the cost of a Heal Potion.  Of course later in the game if money is no object, you should only use Cabins or even Houses.
WarMech
2007-06-13 10:36:46 pm
I'm only a few segments from finishing up my last test run before I begin recording!  A trip to Wal-Mart or the like should give me the VHS tapes I need if I decide that I can't afford a DVD recorder (probably the case).

Red_Scarlet - Yes, I did know about the glitch in the Oasis to get the bottle.  That was the one useful bit about the TAS from what I could see.  And even though there are no fights on that floor in the Undersea Shrine, I found that it wasn't worth the time to get the opal shield that's on that floor; I only get the SLAB and the other opal stuff that aren't as out of the way.  The Dragon Sword is key to this route too not as a weapon but as a great gold source for when I need all those Pro-Rings.  I give my Red Mage a Silver Sword when I pick up the Flame Sword in the Ice Cave.

PapaPondy and Ranti84 - Although I don't think we can make a separate category for each group, it would be interesting to see some creative solutions if possible.  They say that 4 white mages is the hardest group overall but I think 4 of any one type other than fighters and red mages could be tricky!

Snorlax - Thanks again for the info.

1. Yes, I give the Red Mage the silver armor to get me through the Castle of Ordeals and the Ice Cave.  After that though, I have to sell it to get enough money for the Pro-Rings but I am at an easy part of the game until I can get the Opal Bracelet for him in the Sea Shrine.

2. Like I was telling Red Scarlet, I give him a silver sword when I get the flame sword.  As it turns out, he doesn't do (m)any physical attacks until that point because of all the Fire 2's he uses against Lich and the Zombie Dragons.

3. The Dwarf Cave would be much better for a single segment run than for one like this becuase it is too far out of my way in the beginning of the game.  I'm actually OK on gold with my current route.

4-5. It's funny you should mention those wizards now because that was a problem I was examining in my most recent run.  Rather than fighting extra fights to get in the right part of the cycle, I reset the game after each failed segment without turning the power off.  If I turn the power off, it resets the cycle completely (which is sometimes useful) but if I reset only, it keeps the same part of the cycle that I was at when I reset.  I try to use this to avoid wizards as much as possible.  If I'm in the middle of an awesome segment and only encounter two of them, I might risk it if I can kill them very quickly and make up for the time in the rest of the segment.  I can create a sort of unrecorded"dummy segment" to get myself in the right spot of the cycle, reset it, then ACTUALLY play through the segment even faster!  I use this strategy in other parts of the run including the Castle of Ordeals, the Ice Cave, and the final Castle when a couple of "unrunnable" can ruin a segment.

6-7.  Yup!  In my very first runs, I picked up a lot of those treasures in the Earth and Titan caves but soon found that I could save a minute or two by just selling the silver armor along with all the supplies that aren't out of my way when I get to Gaia.  I do keep everything that I can until that point and give them to my Red Mage and lead Fighter to try to minimize as much damage as I can.  Ordeals and the Ice Cave are probably the two hardest segments other than maybe the very last one.  I need all the armor I can not to mention a lot of luck!

8.  In my most recent run through, I did indeed use the same kind of manipulation to try to save myself in Ordeals.  Zombulls are a pain, but I really can take it on the chin from the ManCats which use Fire 2, Medusa with Glance, and basically everything else.

9.  Good point.  I can think of a few places where I may need an extra tent or two or a couple of cabins to keep me up and running a little longer.  This is much faster than using all those heals but in the middle of a cave, I have no choice.

Thanks again everyone!  I'll keep you updated when I finish this test and start recording the next one.

WarMech
stanski
2007-06-13 11:52:48 pm
wise fwom yo gwave
One thing I will really really recommend is getting a DVD recorder. When you calculate the cost of shipping all those VHS tapes, the shittiness of VHS, Buying new tapes it will probably be around $25. For another $75-$100 you can get a dvd recorder, not have to worry about mailing things (you can use a computer to upload and send over the internet), plus they are very useful anyways (I.e. you can burn all kinds of old VHS you might have, DVD's that you don't want to get messed up, plus programs that you might want to record). Please please think about it, you don't want your run to be forever marred just because it used shitty VHS.
Carcinogen
2007-06-14 02:00:31 am
I'd like to find a DVD recorder that doesn't lag behind half a second. What would you recommend, Stanski? Otherwise, I just reuse VHS tapes and re-record them to DVD since it's a LOT easier than recording with a capture card.
stanski
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wise fwom yo gwave
I can't stand any lag at all (when you have stuff that has 1-3 frames of accuracy in sonic, you can't have any lag at all or else you will have no chance)., so I just use a splitter (i.e. my VCR has composite input and composite/RF output, so I output RF to T.V. and composite to DVD recorder).

Most VCR's have this. If you want to record in S-video though, you have to actually buy a powered splitter (which is like $20 unfortunately). Unless your s-video cable also includes composite output, in which case output composite to T.V. and s-video to dvd recorder.
Carcinogen
2007-06-14 03:15:28 am
moolah is no objection. Anything I can do to improve the quality of my runs =D
Anoynomous
2007-06-14 03:39:32 am
I dunno, the thought of using dummy segments to manipulate cycles sounds kind of sketchy. I'd personally run it by someone to check and see if it is OK first, but that's just my opinion.