Digimon World for PSX

2010-11-08 03:58:00 pm

Hey i'm sorry if it looked like i was being aggressive, i apologize.
It's just that i play this game since i was a kid and i'm a huge fan of speed run and superplay videos, and i was very frustated trying to do this run with that strategy, i tried to beat birdramon with gabumon 14 times and had gave up on runnning it.
But i will read all in that new thread and i'm gonna do this run.
Once again, i apologize for being rude, hope you understand.

Baron Dante

2010-11-08 09:17:56 pm

It's a BIG HEAD!

Hm, the reason Myotis and SGreymon are willing to appear (without arena) is because the bulletin is what triggers the retirement, and (assumedly) 40 prosperity points is what triggers the bulletin.

It different from Kabu, which directly asks of you about the arena. The other thing is, that by the time you get to Bettle Land, you don't necessarily have Greymon, while If you have 40 Pros Point, you should have Greymon.

This was another overlokk by the gamemakers. Tongue

Jukebox_Hero

2010-12-01 09:23:55 pm

Just a boy and his digimon

Aha! I'm ALIVE! Term papers were murder this semester. Then I just couldn't make any progress for a while. But finally, I seem to have had my most productive test-run yet! It seems that 40 is the magic number for Myotismon, as the first time I had less than 40, helped him out and I didn't get the bulletin till I got to 40 prosperity points (but I thought that maybe it just took a day before he would retire and the day had passed while I was acquiring the prosperity points). This time, I got the prosperity points before helping him as soon as I got back the city, the bulletin was already there. Unfortunately, I couldn't seem to avoid fighting Tekkamon before SkullGreymon. It seems that the Tekkamon fight isn't skippable. He doesn't move, but he seems to spot you and challenge you no matter which side you try to go around him, even if you try walking (I thought maybe walking wouldn't alert him, but it seems to just be a pointless feature that the game even has a 'walk' button)
After that, I got to 50 prosperity points. Then, since I had read that Etemon can be recruited once you have opened up Mt. Infinity, I decided to see if I could recruit him once I had 50 prosperity points or if I needed to actually open Mt. Infinity. Before I got there, my bakemon randomly transformed into Vademon. It was rather unexpected. Anyway, the Etemon fight was damn near impossible with my Vademon who only knew the basic machine attack. I only won thanks to finishers.
After this, I talked to Jijimon and he told me Mt. Infinity had opened and proceeded to break the fourth wall by telling me that the boss was there. I then used an autopilot and went to Mt. Infinity without facing Airdramon. That's right, AIRDRAMON CAN BE SKIPPED BY USING AN AUTOPILOT AFTER JIJIMON TELLS YOU MT. INFINITY IS OPEN! I was so happy this worked. It's probably the biggest time saver I have discovered. I am now able to completely skip a 2-3 minute long fight. Unfortunately, on my way up to Mt. Infinity, my Vademon pooped one too many times and turned into Sukamon. Interesting to note that he did this on day 12 (there was concern before that you couldn't make your first digimon poop enough to become sukamon within its life span). I wasn't able to check the exact numbers, but doing so seemed to half his stats. He had 4,000 HP and MP and 400 brains. They were reduced to 2000 HP and MP and 200 brains. I hadn't been paying much attention to his other stats specifically, so I can't say how they decreased exactly, but I think they were also halved. But then, I fed him the Mysty Egg and he turned into Digitamamon. So, theoretically, I could turn Monzaemon into Sukamon and then feed him the ray gun to have an ultimate virus, though he would have half stats. And I still have to make sure that I am able to get into the back dimension right after beating digitamamon.
Anyway, so then I fought metal Greymon and lost unfortunately. I have to find out what happens if you beat Machinedramon without ever beating Airdramon, because Airdramon is supposed to come in and save you at the end of that fight. If Airdramon comes in and saves me, then they might have programmed the game in such a way that he would automatically be recruited if you beat Machinedramon. Hopefully, I'll be able to test this out soon. If he gets auto-recruited, then that would be a time-saver for both the 100% and the any%. If he isn't auto-recruited, then I would have to face him regardless in the 100%, but could still skip him in the any%. The downside is that I don't think there is any way (other than dying) to get back into Jijimon's house without activating the Airdramon fight, since it activates by being in the doorway. So, once you do this, there is no going back into his house. Thus, sleepsaving is the only way to save after doing this. Theroetically, it should be done on the last segment anyway, so it shouldn't be a problem.
I still need to figure out exactly how to get Vademon recruited. All of the sources I read online have conflicting stories or are very vague. One said that you need to recruit Skull Greymon, but I can confirm that that isn't true, because I got him without recruiting Skull Greymon. First, I got one bulletin saying there were crop circles, then when I went to them, there were more of them than before and the character says something like "Are these the crop circles that bulletin was talking about?". Later, there was a bulletin saying that an alien was seen there. It seemed like that bulletin appeared when I got to 50 prosperity points, but that could have been a coincidence. I got some more testing to do, but fortunately, not that much. Pretty soon, I should know everything I need to know and then I can finally get back to speedrunning this thing.

Aha! I'm ALIVE! Term papers were murder this semester. Then I just couldn't make any progress for a while. But finally, I seem to have had my most productive test-run yet! It seems that 40 is the magic number for Myotismon, as the first time I had less than 40, helped him out and I didn't get the bulletin till I got to 40 prosperity points (but I thought that maybe it just took a day before he would retire and the day had passed while I was acquiring the prosperity points). This time, I got the prosperity points before helping him as soon as I got back the city, the bulletin was already there. Unfortunately, I couldn't seem to avoid fighting Tekkamon before SkullGreymon. It seems that the Tekkamon fight isn't skippable. He doesn't move, but he seems to spot you and challenge you no matter which side you try to go around him, even if you try walking (I thought maybe walking wouldn't alert him, but it seems to just be a pointless feature that the game even has a 'walk' button)
After that, I got to 50 prosperity points. Then, since I had read that Etemon can be recruited once you have opened up Mt. Infinity, I decided to see if I could recruit him once I had 50 prosperity points or if I needed to actually open Mt. Infinity. Before I got there, my bakemon randomly transformed into Vademon. It was rather unexpected. Anyway, the Etemon fight was damn near impossible with my Vademon who only knew the basic machine attack. I only won thanks to finishers.
 After this, I talked to Jijimon and he told me Mt. Infinity had opened and proceeded to break the fourth wall by telling me that the boss was there. I then used an autopilot and went to Mt. Infinity without facing Airdramon. That's right, [u]AIRDRAMON CAN BE SKIPPED BY USING AN AUTOPILOT AFTER JIJIMON TELLS YOU MT. INFINITY IS OPEN[/u]! I was so happy this worked. It's probably the biggest time saver I have discovered. I am now able to completely skip a 2-3 minute long fight. Unfortunately, on my way up to Mt. Infinity, my Vademon pooped one too many times and turned into Sukamon. Interesting to note that he did this on day 12 (there was concern before that you couldn't make your first digimon poop enough to become sukamon within its life span). I wasn't able to check the exact numbers, but doing so seemed to half his stats. He had 4,000 HP and MP and 400 brains. They were reduced to 2000 HP and MP and 200 brains. I hadn't been paying much attention to his other stats specifically, so I can't say how they decreased exactly, but I think they were also halved. But then, I fed him the Mysty Egg and he turned into Digitamamon. So, theoretically, I could turn Monzaemon into Sukamon and then feed him the ray gun to have an ultimate virus, though he would have half stats. And I still have to make sure that I am able to get into the back dimension right after beating digitamamon. 
Anyway, so then I fought metal Greymon and lost unfortunately. I have to find out what happens if you beat Machinedramon without ever beating Airdramon, because Airdramon is supposed to come in and save you at the end of that fight. If Airdramon comes in and saves me, then they might have programmed the game in such a way that he would automatically be recruited if you beat Machinedramon. Hopefully, I'll be able to test this out soon. If he gets auto-recruited, then that would be a time-saver for both the 100% and the any%. If he isn't auto-recruited, then I would have to face him regardless in the 100%, but could still skip him in the any%. The downside is that I don't think there is any way (other than dying) to get back into Jijimon's house without activating the Airdramon fight, since it activates by being in the doorway. So, once you do this, there is no going back into his house. Thus, sleepsaving is the only way to save after doing this. Theroetically, it should be done on the last segment anyway, so it shouldn't be a problem.
I still need to figure out exactly how to get Vademon recruited. All of the sources I read online have conflicting stories or are very vague. One said that you need to recruit Skull Greymon, but I can confirm that that isn't true, because I got him without recruiting Skull Greymon. First, I got one bulletin saying there were crop circles, then when I went to them, there were more of them than before and the character says something like "Are these the crop circles that bulletin was talking about?". Later, there was a bulletin saying that an alien was seen there. It seemed like that bulletin appeared when I got to 50 prosperity points, but that could have been a coincidence. I got some more testing to do, but fortunately, not that much. Pretty soon, I should know everything I need to know and then I can finally get back to speedrunning this thing.

Baron Dante

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Baron Dante: 2010-12-01 10:52:46 pm

2010-12-01 10:52:15 pm

It's a BIG HEAD!

Aah! Dead rising from the grave to play Digimon World? Cheesy

(Not that I blame them for that, it's awesome)

Anyways. That's great that Airhead can be skipped. I doupt he'll be reqruited by beating Machinedramon, since it's just a cutscene, and they assumed you wouldn't ever waste an Auto to move from Jiji to the next screen Tongue

That said, I've skipped Greymon before, without Auto. I can't remember if it was different in any way, but he would only come after I talked to Jijimon with enough Pro points. If one saved and resetted the game, he wouldn't appear before talking to Jiji. Not sure if I tried this on Airhead though. That would warrant using the last segment before Airy and then just walking oout without battling him. Doubt it'll work though.

I think I got Vade aswell (Me getting him =No Shellmon = No Bulletin) although many things have said that you need the bulletin.
I may just remember badly, and I might've never got him, but I know for sure I got the more crop ring thing there.

Jukebox_Hero

2010-12-01 11:10:49 pm

Just a boy and his digimon

Hmmm, interesting. I hadn't considered that. I'm not exactly clear on the method you are talking about, though. I don't think resetting affected it as I recall. I actually had a file once that got ruined because I talked to Jiji without realizing it would initiate the Greymon battle. I had a good digimon, but he was at low health and had already lost two battles, so he had one loss left before he would die, and I had no recovery items. I then saved, walked out, and got my ass kicked by Greymon. So, naturally, I reset and the same thing happened the second I left Jiji's house every time I tried. I think I eventually just had to give up and let Greymon kill my digimon. Could you explain exactly how your method works? Also, I don't think the character would be recruited if you skipped them, so I doubt it would be helpful for me, since I intended to recruit Greymon anyway. But I could certainly experiment with it.

Baron Dante

2010-12-01 11:23:43 pm

It's a BIG HEAD!

Hm, now that you mention it, it may be so that I saved before speaking to Jiji. -.-

This things go as the way I remember, it's been years since I seriously played, so bear with me and my useless stuff. Tongue

I remember that I had problems with Grey Man, and that was the way to keep skipping it until my Angemon defeated him, and after that evolved into my first Ultimate... Phoenixmon. Tongue

I suppose I would have to try, but I'm too busy with work, freelancer work and schoool, so Tongue

One important thing is that I have the Europe version, which has been cited in many places as too buggy to be completed (Ogre Fortress being undoable, and Mt. Infinity not opening) yet I have completed it. Funny.

Jukebox_Hero

2010-12-01 11:37:51 pm

Just a boy and his digimon

Don't worry about it. You've provided me more help than you know. Just having someone to throw ideas at and who I know is expecting the run is enough. As long as I know there is one other person out there who is eagerly awaiting this run, it keeps me going and makes me strive to make this as good as possible. You should see if any of those bugs translate to glitches that would allow you to skip things, though. Might give you a leg up. However, I kind of doubt it. Seems like every known glitch in Digimon World just crashes the game. The second a pixel is out of place, the game gives up. Tongue

Baron Dante

2010-12-01 11:59:25 pm

It's a BIG HEAD!

Haha, yeah, I've never seen anything useful in the game, as far as glitches go. Cheesy

After you get your run up in the future, I may get interested in beating it though. I need big motivation for a longish gamelike this. (I only do games with IL with very short levels)

Currently there's 2 runs I'm eagerly waiting, one being this, and the other being Mischief Makers, which, both seem to be somewhat under-appreciated for what they are. I see both as amazing games, and so do most others, but for what I gathered, both games got quite low ratings (I understand Digimon Worlds low ones, they came mostly from the European version being so buggy nobody could do. Aside from me, apparently :P) Then again, both PSX games with the character on my avatar got horrible ratings for unbearably bad controls and camera system. Maybe I just like "bad" games.

I recently got something I can use to record tuff, so after I get Donkey Kong Country Returns, I'll look into those IL levels, and if I can bother moving my PS to my place, I can make time to look into it, with all the ingo you gave

Haha, yeah, I've never seen anything useful in the game, as far as glitches go. :D After you get your run up in the future, I may get interested in beating it though. I need big motivation for a longish gamelike this. (I only do games with IL with very short levels)

Currently there's 2 runs I'm eagerly waiting, one being this, and the other being Mischief Makers, which, both seem to be somewhat under-appreciated for what they are. I see both as amazing games, and so do most others, but for what I gathered, both games got quite low ratings (I understand Digimon Worlds low ones, they came mostly from the European version being so buggy nobody could do. Aside from me, apparently :P) Then again, both PSX games with the character on my avatar got horrible ratings for unbearably bad controls and camera system. Maybe I just like "bad" games.

I recently got something I can use to record tuff, so after I get Donkey Kong Country Returns, I'll look into those IL levels, and if I can bother moving my PS to my place, I can make time to look into it, with all the ingo you gave

HalfMillennium

2010-12-02 04:31:32 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

The UK version had less glitches than the American version.

I don't think any of the glitches would be useful in a speed run.

Baron Dante

2010-12-04 01:45:18 pm

True, but UK version apparently hadfew very bad new glitches there.

HalfMillennium

2010-12-05 05:16:12 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Like what?

Baron Dante

2010-12-05 05:29:04 pm

It's a BIG HEAD!

Mt. Infinity not opening, and Ogre Fortress not completable.

The strange thing is, I have that version and never saw these.

Jukebox_Hero

2010-12-05 06:26:05 pm

Just a boy and his digimon

A google search didn't tell me about any that could be helpful, but it's worth looking into if you do some test-running yourself, BD. I did some more test-running and found out a few more things. It seems like Vademon appears as soon as you get 45 prosperity points. I made sure to get to 45 pp multiple different ways to make sure that he didn't appear after recruiting any specific other digimon. After that, it seems like you can encounter him any time of the day or night. But I tried to go without checking the bulletin board and he wasn't there. Then, without doing anything else, I checked the bulletin board. It said he was there and when I went back, he was. I'm not sure how you managed to do it without the bulletin board, but as far as I could tell, you need to check it to make him appear. Maybe he'll eventually appear if you get a prosperity rating of 50 or 60. I don't think it's worth finding out for the sake of the speedrun, though.
Also, I turned Bakemon into Sukamon to check the exact stats.
Bakemon
HP: 4121
MP: 2818
Off: 405
Def: 307
Speed: 210
Brains: 192

Sukamon:
HP: 2060
MP: 1409
Off: 202
Def: 153
Speed: 105
Brains: 96

So, every stat is brought to exactly half (rounding down). I also noticed for the first time that digimon don't give you +1s across the board when you beat them. They seem to only give you a +1 to the stats that that specific digimon specializes in. This isn't really relevant to anything. I just thought it was interesting.
Aside from that, I am currently trying to get a good recording of me beating Mt. Infinity with Bakemon as practice for doing it right and to show you how to navigate it properly. Navigation and memorization are extremely important in Mt. Infinity, because some areas start you out right next to a digimon who is running at you, so if you don't enter the areas holding the right direction, then you're gonna wind up doing a lot of extra fights. Figure I might as well give you a taste of what you can expect to see since I haven't given you any videos recently. In my attempt, I only beat Devimon, then accidentally ran into the rockmon after him (those are the hardest to avoid). Hopefully, I'll have a recording of me doing the full thing with bakemon soon, but the next week is gonna be crazy with finals for me. Then I'm going on a trip from the 14th to the 18th. Winter vacation should bring me some time to work on this though. Hopefully not too much longer before I have a finished product for you guys.

A google search didn't tell me about any that could be helpful, but it's worth looking into if you do some test-running yourself, BD. I did some more test-running and found out a few more things. It seems like Vademon appears as soon as you get 45 prosperity points. I made sure to get to 45 pp multiple different ways to make sure that he didn't appear after recruiting any specific other digimon. After that, it seems like you can encounter him any time of the day or night. But I tried to go without checking the bulletin board and he wasn't there. Then, without doing anything else, I checked the bulletin board. It said he was there and when I went back, he was. I'm not sure how you managed to do it without the bulletin board, but as far as I could tell, you need to check it to make him appear. Maybe he'll eventually appear if you get a prosperity rating of 50 or 60. I don't think it's worth finding out for the sake of the speedrun, though. 
Also, I turned Bakemon into Sukamon to check the exact stats.
Bakemon
HP: 4121
MP: 2818
Off: 405
Def: 307
Speed: 210
Brains:  192

Sukamon: 
HP: 2060
MP: 1409
Off: 202
Def: 153
Speed: 105
Brains: 96

So, every stat is brought to exactly half (rounding down). I also noticed for the first time that digimon don't give you +1s across the board when you beat them. They seem to only give you a +1 to the stats that that specific digimon specializes in. This isn't really relevant to anything. I just thought it was interesting.
Aside from that, I am currently trying to get a good recording of me beating Mt. Infinity with Bakemon  as practice for doing it right and to show you how to navigate it properly. Navigation and memorization are extremely important in Mt. Infinity, because some areas start you out right next to a digimon who is running at you, so if you don't enter the areas holding the right direction, then you're gonna wind up doing a lot of extra fights. Figure I might as well give you a taste of what you can expect to see since I haven't given you any videos recently. In my attempt, I only beat Devimon, then accidentally ran into the rockmon after him (those are the hardest to avoid). Hopefully, I'll have a recording of me doing the full thing with bakemon soon, but the next week is gonna be crazy with finals for me. Then I'm going on a trip from the 14th to the 18th. Winter vacation should bring me some time to work on this though. Hopefully not too much longer before I have a finished product for you guys.

HalfMillennium

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HalfMillennium: 2010-12-06 01:30:26 am

HalfMillennium: 2010-12-06 01:30:15 am

2010-12-06 01:29:19 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Quote from Baron Dante:

Mt. Infinity not opening, and Ogre Fortress not completable.

The strange thing is, I have that version and never saw these.

The Ogre Fortress thing, I have read about, but not on UK versions. The Mt. Infinity glitch, I'm not sure of.

Baron Dante

2010-12-09 07:41:43 am

It's a BIG HEAD!

Hm? I'm sure it was on the Europe version? Both of them...

HalfMillennium

2010-12-09 07:57:58 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

The UK version only has English text, so there's probably more than one.

Baron Dante

2010-12-09 09:03:15 am

It's a BIG HEAD!

Oh, only text? That must be a boring game then. Lol.

Yeah, I suppose so.

Jukebox_Hero

2010-12-13 11:56:21 pm

Just a boy and his digimon

Alright, after some exhausting work, I've managed to get something down on film for you guys (What should be the most impressive parts of the run). There are moments that are a little sloppy, but these videos are mostly to be educational. I like having all this information here so that, even if I go crazy from trying to speedrun this game and have to be locked up in an insane asylum, someone can take up where I left off and will know exactly how to do this stuff. So, this is a video showing how to navigate Mt. Infinity. Also, consider it a taste of what the actual speedrun will be like, though with a crappier digimon than I will actually be using. I used Bakemon, because he was a virus and allowed me to test out various things with Myotismon's mansion. Interestingly, he got to the point where he wouldn't accept any more chips I tried to feed him. He would only take a chip if I scolded him after he refused. However, if I ever scolded him or praised him, he would immediately digivolve into Vademon. I have no clue why this is, because, if I never scolded or praised him, he would be a Bakemon until he died of old age, but the second I praise/scold, he instantly becomes Vademon. It concerns me very little, though, because it shouldn't affect the run. Anyway, enough talking, here are the videos.
Part 1

Part 2- You'll notice that I cheated a little and went back to File City to stock up on medium recoveries between part 1 and part 2. Obviously, I'll make sure to stock up appropriately the first time in the actual run. Also, the metalgreymon fight goes awfully, but you can't hear me cursing every time he interrupts my FINISH, so it doesn't matter much.

Part 3

In the actual run, where I will have a good digimon, I intend to bring Mt. Infinity to sub-20 with shorter fights. I'll shoot for sub-15 and hopefully get somewhere around 17-18 minutes. Unfortunately, you do still have to recruit Airdramon to get 100%, even after beating Machinedramon and Digitamamon. He is still being brainwashed by some non-existent force. The weird thing is that there is a scene where he is supposed to be resting in bed, tired from being brainwashed and beaten in battle by you. However, if you fight him after beating the game, Jijimon talks about him needing rest, but the bed is already empty. And when you talk to Jijimon again, he says that Airdramon has already made a full recovery (in the few seconds since you beat him). The good news is that he can still be skipped for the sake of the any%.

After this, I beat Digitamamon. There is very little to report for this section. Mt. Infinity is almost exactly the same when you go back, except there are now two monochromon and three angemon on the screen where Devimon was. You can juke the monochromon by moving towards them, then hiding behind your digimon. They will give up on trying to get you and will turn around. You can then run around them. The angemon stand still in a triangular formation and will not chase you. If you run exactly on the far edge of the platform you are on, then you can sprint right past them just holding up and right simultaneously. If you have trouble with it or would like to see it, I have a 15 second video of me running past, but it's not difficult.

After this, I found out that the Back Dimension does in fact open immediately after beating Digitamamon. It opened in Ogre Fortress for me. So, since it opens up immediately, it seems like my plan to turn Monzaemon into sukamon and then give him the ray gun from the back dimension (in order to get into Myotismon's mansion) is a viable option for beating the 100% with one digimon. I tried going down the back entrance (Ogremon's secret elevator) to see if it would take me straight to Machinedramon, but unfortunately, both the front and back entrances to the fortress take you to the same entrance to the Back Dimension. I'm not sure about your theory that only machine-type attacks can do damage to him BD, because all my attacks did 1 damage to him whether I fought him with Bakemon or Vademon (who uses machine type attacks). Also, I watched multiple videos of people fighting him in the back dimension. None of them used machine-type attacks and all of them were able to do up to 500 damage to him with regular attacks. Some of them seemed like they might be using cheats, but others seemed legit. You might just need good enough stats to do damage. Hopefully, my digi will have good enough stats in the real run. Otherwise, I might have to do some training or else the fight will drag on forever while I wait for my FINISH gauge to fill up (It took me a full 15 minutes to beat him in the test-run). I'll have to do a little more experimentation with Machinedramon and figure out exactly when Nanimon appears in his spots. Then, I should know pretty much everything I need to know to get started on this run for real.

I'll go back and figure out what I want the any% run to look like. I'll probably be putting in Beetle Land, now that I know I can get there without getting the amazing rod. My main dilemma is whether I should use Agumon or Gabumon. If I use Agumon, then I can get him sick in Freezeland and get an easy 2 points from Frigimon. If I use Gabumon, he can't get sick in Freezeland, so I can't get Frigimon, but I can digivolve him to Garurumon, teach him Ice Statue, and beast through enemies. Greymon is certainly a solid digimon, but I wonder how he stands against garurumon. If I use Gabumon, it requires at least one extra recruitment battle to make up for the 2 points he can't get from frigi. He might even require two extra battles (one for requirement and one to learn ice statue). I'm not sure if the time he would save in battles would make up for this. I might even end up doing a run with Greymon and a run with Garurumon, trying to optimize both, and just submitting whichever one is faster.

Also, a fun fact that I thought I'd mention: even after 10 years, most FAQs seem to have no clue what that little butterfly means when it appears over your digimon's head. I read some that theorized that it means your digimon will get sick or die soon. I can say with certainty that it actually just appears when your digimon is very unhappy and, if you stand still while it is fluttering over your digimon's head, your digimon will stare at it and become happier.

Alright, after some exhausting work, I've managed to get something down on film for you guys (What should be the most impressive parts of the run). There are moments that are a little sloppy, but these videos are mostly to be educational. I like having all this information here so that, even if I go crazy from trying to speedrun this game and have to be locked up in an insane asylum, someone can take up where I left off and will know exactly how to do this stuff. So, this is a video showing how to navigate Mt. Infinity. Also, consider it a taste of what the actual speedrun will be like, though with a crappier digimon than I will actually be using. I used Bakemon, because he was a virus and allowed me to test out various things with Myotismon's mansion. Interestingly, he got to the point where he wouldn't accept any more chips I tried to feed him. He would only take a chip if I scolded him after he refused. However, if I ever scolded him or praised him, he would immediately digivolve into Vademon. I have no clue why this is, because, if I never scolded or praised him, he would be a Bakemon until he died of old age, but the second I praise/scold, he instantly becomes Vademon. It concerns me very little, though, because it shouldn't affect the run. Anyway, enough talking, here are the videos. 
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYKBlylT3WM 
Part 2- You'll notice that I cheated a little and went back to File City to stock up on medium recoveries between part 1 and part 2. Obviously, I'll make sure to stock up appropriately the first time in the actual run. Also, the metalgreymon fight goes awfully, but you can't hear me cursing every time he interrupts my FINISH, so it doesn't matter much. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j39Ed7EZRpw
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcoYtjmEVi4

In the actual run, where I will have a good digimon, I intend to bring Mt. Infinity to sub-20 with shorter fights. I'll shoot for sub-15 and hopefully get somewhere around 17-18 minutes. Unfortunately, you do still have to recruit Airdramon to get 100%, even after beating Machinedramon and Digitamamon. He is still being brainwashed by some non-existent force. The weird thing is that there is a scene where he is supposed to be resting in bed, tired from being brainwashed and beaten in battle by you. However, if you fight him after beating the game, Jijimon talks about him needing rest, but the bed is already empty. And when you talk to Jijimon again, he says that Airdramon has already made a full recovery (in the few seconds since you beat him). The good news is that he can still be skipped for the sake of the any%.

After this, I beat Digitamamon. There is very little to report for this section. Mt. Infinity is almost exactly the same when you go back, except there are now two monochromon and three angemon on the screen where Devimon was. You can juke the monochromon by moving towards them, then hiding behind your digimon. They will give up on trying to get you and will turn around. You can then run around them. The angemon stand still in a triangular formation and will not chase you. If you run exactly on the far edge of the platform you are on, then you can sprint right past them just holding up and right simultaneously. If you have trouble with it or would like to see it, I have a 15 second video of me running past, but it's not difficult.

After this, I found out that the Back Dimension does in fact open immediately after beating Digitamamon. It opened in Ogre Fortress for me. So, since it opens up immediately, it seems like my plan to turn Monzaemon into sukamon and then give him the ray gun from the back dimension (in order to get into Myotismon's mansion) is a viable option for beating the 100% with one digimon. I tried going down the back entrance (Ogremon's secret elevator) to see if it would take me straight to Machinedramon, but unfortunately, both the front and back entrances to the fortress take you to the same entrance to the Back Dimension. I'm not sure about your theory that only machine-type attacks can do damage to him BD, because all my attacks did 1 damage to him whether I fought him with Bakemon or Vademon (who uses machine type attacks). Also, I watched multiple videos of people fighting him in the back dimension. None of them used machine-type attacks and all of them were able to do up to 500 damage to him with regular attacks. Some of them seemed like they might be using cheats, but others seemed legit. You might just need good enough stats to do damage. Hopefully, my digi will have good enough stats in the real run. Otherwise, I might have to do some training or else the fight will drag on forever while I wait for my FINISH gauge to fill up (It took me a full 15 minutes to beat him in the test-run). I'll have to do a little more experimentation with Machinedramon and figure out exactly when Nanimon appears in his spots. Then, I should know pretty much everything I need to know to get started on this run for real.

I'll go back and figure out what I want the any% run to look like. I'll probably be putting in Beetle Land, now that I know I can get there without getting the amazing rod. My main dilemma is whether I should use Agumon or Gabumon. If I use Agumon, then I can get him sick in Freezeland and get an easy 2 points from Frigimon. If I use Gabumon, he can't get sick in Freezeland, so I can't get Frigimon, but I can digivolve him to Garurumon, teach him Ice Statue, and beast through enemies. Greymon is certainly a solid digimon, but I wonder how he stands against garurumon. If I use Gabumon, it requires at least one extra recruitment battle to make up for the 2 points he can't get from frigi. He might even require two extra battles (one for requirement and one to learn ice statue). I'm not sure if the time he would save in battles would make up for this. I might even end up doing a run with Greymon and a run with Garurumon, trying to optimize both, and just submitting whichever one is faster.

Also, a fun fact that I thought I'd mention: even after 10 years, most FAQs seem to have no clue what that little butterfly means when it appears over your digimon's head. I read some that theorized that it means your digimon will get sick or die soon. I can say with certainty that it actually just appears when your digimon is very unhappy and, if you stand still while it is fluttering over your digimon's head, your digimon will stare at it and become happier.

HalfMillennium

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HalfMillennium: 2010-12-14 01:46:56 pm

2010-12-14 01:46:26 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

It means it hasn't been resting enough. It loses stats while that's present.

Jukebox_Hero

2010-12-14 08:03:14 pm

Just a boy and his digimon

Fascinating. I love finding out these things that seem so obvious, yet I didn't know after all this time speedrunning this game. No wonder I assumed that numemon constantly lost stats: Numemon are inherently unhappy. However, I was able to bring out the butterfly even when he was rested and fed. It seems to be based entirely on happiness.
Vademon's stats:
HP: 4070
MP: 3718
Off: 395
Def: 388
Speed: 335
Brains: 328

Then, I scolded him till his happiness bar was all the way down.
After (the number in parentheses is the difference from the original):
HP: 3756 (-314)
MP: 3431 (-287)
Off: 367 (-28)
Def: 360 (-28)
Speed: 311 (-24)
Brains: 304 (-24)

I reset and got his happiness halfway down.
After (shorter)
HP: 3910 (-160)
MP: 3572 (-146)
Off: 381 (-14)
Def: 374 (-14)
Speed: 323 (-12)
Brains: 316 (-12)

I thought that maybe you could run away from it and he wouldn't lose stats as long as he wasn't stopping to stare at it. However, it seems like he will actually lose more stats when this happens.
HP: 3681 (-389)
MP: 3363 (-355)
Off: 360 (-35)
Def: 353 (-35)
Speed: 305 (-30)
Brains: 298 (-30)

However, if I scolded him till he was at 0 happiness, waited for the butterfly, then proceeded to praise him back to smiley-face level happiness, the butterfly went away and he didn't lose any stats (provided that I didn't give the butterfly a chance to complete a single revolution around him). I think he loses a certain amount of stats every time the butterfly completes a full circle around him. I'll have to keep an eye on happiness during the speedrun if the stat decreases can be this severe, though.

As for resting, I believe that digimon are more susceptible to fatigue, injury, and possibly sickness if they don't receive enough rest. Also, it counts as a care mistake obviously and can mess you up if you are attempting to digivolve into a specific digimon. But it doesn't seem to affect the butterfly, other than it making your digimon less happy when they aren't being rested. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, though, HalfMillenium. This will be valuable to know for the run. I need to stop doing this based on assumptions I made when I was a kid playing this game. It's going to get me into some trouble. Tongue

Fascinating. I love finding out these things that seem so obvious, yet I didn't know after all this time speedrunning this game. No wonder I assumed that numemon constantly lost stats: Numemon are inherently unhappy. However, I was able to bring out the butterfly even when he was rested and fed. It seems to be based entirely on happiness. 
Vademon's stats:
HP: 4070
MP: 3718
Off: 395
Def: 388
Speed: 335
Brains: 328

Then, I scolded him till his happiness bar was all the way down. 
After (the number in parentheses is the difference from the original):
HP: 3756 (-314)
MP: 3431 (-287)
Off: 367 (-28)
Def: 360 (-28)
Speed: 311 (-24)
Brains: 304 (-24)

I reset and got his happiness halfway down. 
After (shorter)
HP: 3910 (-160)
MP: 3572 (-146)
Off: 381 (-14)
Def: 374 (-14)
Speed: 323 (-12)
Brains: 316 (-12)

I thought that maybe you could run away from it and he wouldn't lose stats as long as he wasn't stopping to stare at it. However, it seems like he will actually lose more stats when this happens. 
HP: 3681 (-389)
MP: 3363 (-355)
Off: 360 (-35)
Def: 353 (-35)
Speed: 305 (-30)
Brains: 298 (-30)

However, if I scolded him till he was at 0 happiness, waited for the butterfly, then proceeded to praise him back to smiley-face level happiness, the butterfly went away and he didn't lose any stats (provided that I didn't give the butterfly a chance to complete a single revolution around him). I think he loses a certain amount of stats every time the butterfly completes a full circle around him. I'll have to keep an eye on happiness during the speedrun if the stat decreases can be this severe, though.

As for resting, I believe that digimon are more susceptible to fatigue, injury, and possibly sickness if they don't receive enough rest. Also, it counts as a care mistake obviously and can mess you up if you are attempting to digivolve into a specific digimon. But it doesn't seem to affect the butterfly, other than it making your digimon less happy when they aren't being rested. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, though, HalfMillenium. This will be valuable to know for the run. I need to stop doing this based on assumptions I made when I was a kid playing this game. It's going to get me into some trouble. :P

Baron Dante

2010-12-14 10:45:06 pm

It's a BIG HEAD!

Hm, I recall saying the reason digimon hit 1 on Mach on second round is the Full Power (Boost Attack (?) and defence by miles).

After that they only hit 1's (Considering he starts with it always for me :D), and the only way I have countered that has been using Full Power. I suppose it is about the stats, my digimons I went up against the second Mach were about Bakemons level stat wise.

brbracing

2011-04-16 06:05:39 am

hey jukebox hero have you attempted to an any% run? if so what's the best time you got?

Jukebox_Hero

2011-05-25 10:49:11 pm

Just a boy and his digimon

Hey, brbracing. My last attempt was around 4 hours with Monzaemon, but I have since completely changed the route. As I mentioned earlier, I was being short-sighted and not taking into account how much time I wasted getting enough money for numemon to beat Otamamon and then a lot of time fighting otamamon. I think doing the run with Garurumon will make it much faster. Also, as much as I enjoyed beating the game with one digimon without ever training him, I've had to accept that it wasn't the most effective way. With training, battles should go quicker and save me even more time. With the other changes I made to the run, I am predicting that it will be sub-3 hours (maybe even sub-2:30)
Sorry for the delayed response. I thought this thread would stay dead until I updated. Also, sorry for not updating in so long, but I haven't had any progress to report. I got pretty caught up with a rough last semester and various other projects that I was working on, then the world almost ended before I could finish the run. I dodged a bullet on that one. But I promise I never gave up on the run. The first section just required so much luck manipulation and was so difficult to get perfect that I needed to take a long break before I started hating the game.

My current run involves using Garurumon. Now that I've realized that you can catch Seadramon with the old rod, I will probably include Beetle Land in it as a way to easily get Seadramon, Kuwagamon, and Kabuterimon (6 points) without needing to fight a single battle. I've also since realized that Mamemon is worth the effort to get him, because he is an ultimate and not a champion as I once thought, so my route is significantly different and I was able to cut out a lot of time-wasters who I once thought were necessary. I will probably use HalfMillenium's suggestion of learning Ice Statue as well. My current list involves getting:
Agumon
Andromon
Bakemon
Betamon
Birdramon
Biyomon
Centarumon
Coelamon
Drimogemon
Elecmon
Giromon
Greymon
Kabuterimon
Kunemon
Kuwagamon
Leomon
Mamemon
Meramon
Ninjamon
Numemon
Ogremon
Palmon
Penguinmon
Seadramon
Shellmon
Sukamon
Unimon
Whamon

Now that it's summer, I will actually be able to get back to work on it. I still need to do a test run to make sure that my new route is optimized. Hopefully, I will actually be able to start updating this thread regularly again and will have some actual progress to report soon! I'm gonna make this run the best it can be! Thanks again for the continued support.

Hey, brbracing. My last attempt was around 4 hours with Monzaemon, but I have since completely changed the route. As I mentioned earlier, I was being short-sighted and not taking into account how much time I wasted getting enough money for numemon to beat Otamamon and then a lot of time fighting otamamon. I think doing the run with Garurumon will make it much faster. Also, as much as I enjoyed beating the game with one digimon without ever training him, I've had to accept that it wasn't the most effective way. With training, battles should go quicker and save me even more time. With the other changes I made to the run, I am predicting that it will be sub-3 hours (maybe even sub-2:30) 
Sorry for the delayed response. I thought this thread would stay dead until I updated. Also, sorry for not updating in so long, but I haven't had any progress to report. I got pretty caught up with a rough last semester and various other projects that I was working on, then the world almost ended before I could finish the run. I dodged a bullet on that one. But I promise I never gave up on the run. The first section just required so much luck manipulation and was so difficult to get perfect that I needed to take a long break before I started hating the game.

My current run involves using Garurumon. Now that I've realized that you can catch Seadramon with the old rod, I will probably include Beetle Land in it as a way to easily get Seadramon, Kuwagamon, and Kabuterimon (6 points) without needing to fight a single battle. I've also since realized that Mamemon is worth the effort to get him, because he is an ultimate and not a champion as I once thought, so my route is significantly different and I was able to cut out a lot of time-wasters who I once thought were necessary. I will probably use HalfMillenium's suggestion of learning Ice Statue as well. My current list involves getting: 
Agumon
Andromon
Bakemon
Betamon
Birdramon
Biyomon
Centarumon
Coelamon
Drimogemon
Elecmon
Giromon
Greymon
Kabuterimon
Kunemon
Kuwagamon
Leomon
Mamemon
Meramon
Ninjamon
Numemon
Ogremon
Palmon
Penguinmon
Seadramon
Shellmon
Sukamon
Unimon
Whamon

Now that it's summer, I will actually be able to get back to work on it. I still need to do a test run to make sure that my new route is optimized. Hopefully, I will actually be able to start updating this thread regularly again and will have some actual progress to report soon! I'm gonna make this run the best it can be! Thanks again for the continued support.

Jamma

2011-05-29 07:59:20 am

Nuts! Gotta get to Narshe on the fly

Excellent news JH. A sub 2:30 hour run would be mind-boggling Smiley

so as well as learning Ice Statue, what other techs are you planning to learn/use? And I forget, which area is Mamemon in?

I for one am still very much looking forward to this, as I'm sure are many others. Good luck!

Jukebox_Hero

2011-05-29 10:09:15 am

Just a boy and his digimon

To be honest, that's something I still need to figure out in the test-run. I need to mess around with Garurumon and see what moves he can learn easily, who he can learn them from, and which are most efficient. And now I'm hoping I wasn't being too optimistic with the 2:30 or else I'm gonna eat those words, but that should give me a high goal to shoot for. Mamemon is on Mount Panorama. He has a random chance of appearing on the screen with the mud frigimon who run around. I'll probably try to get him on my way to get elecmon, biyomon, the old rod, and sukamon. Also, another time-saver on this run is that I won't have to go to Toy Town to get the Monzaemon suit, so I won't have to fight Otamamon or waste time traveling to Volume Villa to make the fog clear. Then I don't have to travel through Misty Trees, which should save me some time 10-15 minutes.

Also, I just realized that I had put Penguinmon on this list and that I had never resolved whether it was fastest to do Penguinmon's curling or if it was faster to beat Patamon three times. I'll have to see how fast Garurumon can beat him and whether or not it makes sense to fight him. If the two take an equal amount of time, then I might go with Penguinmon just to avoid wasting resources (MP, HP, small recoveries). Before, he had the possibility of teaching me Dynamite Kick and Air cutter IIRC, but now I'm not sure if he can teach me anything. I'll time them both as fast as I can get them and see which works out better. Also, I think I read somewhere that you could give Unimon any healing item to recruit him. I always thought you needed to give him a bandage, which you needed to buy from centarumon. I'll have to test this, because it could also save me a minute or two if I don't have to buy this item.

Thanks again for the support and for putting up with me even though I continued being so wrong about the best way to do it. I keep thinking of all the things I won't have to do in this run and how much time it is going to save. I guess I really wanted this run to look impressive and was obsessed with beating the game without ever training on my first digimon. I'm glad that I proved that the game could be beaten any% without ever training and I still certainly learned a lot of valuable information from those attempts, but I'm not going to let this run be anything less than the fastest possible time I can get, so I won't be blinded anymore. I'm gonna be working today and tomorrow, but then I'm off until next weekend, so don't expect progress until some time during the week, but I'll update as soon as I can!

To be honest, that's something I still need to figure out in the test-run. I need to mess around with Garurumon and see what moves he can learn easily, who he can learn them from, and which are most efficient. And now I'm hoping I wasn't being too optimistic with the 2:30 or else I'm gonna eat those words, but that should give me a high goal to shoot for. Mamemon is on Mount Panorama. He has a random chance of appearing on the screen with the mud frigimon who run around. I'll probably try to get him on my way to get elecmon, biyomon, the old rod, and sukamon. Also, another time-saver on this run is that I won't have to go to Toy Town to get the Monzaemon suit, so I won't have to fight Otamamon or waste time traveling to Volume Villa to make the fog clear. Then I don't have to travel through Misty Trees, which should save me some time 10-15 minutes.

Also, I just realized that I had put Penguinmon on this list and that I had never resolved whether it was fastest to do Penguinmon's curling or if it was faster to beat Patamon three times. I'll have to see how fast Garurumon can beat him and whether or not it makes sense to fight him. If the two take an equal amount of time, then I might go with Penguinmon just to avoid wasting resources (MP, HP, small recoveries). Before, he had the possibility of teaching me Dynamite Kick and Air cutter IIRC, but now I'm not sure if he can teach me anything. I'll time them both as fast as I can get them and see which works out better. Also, I think I read somewhere that you could give Unimon any healing item to recruit him. I always thought you needed to give him a bandage, which you needed to buy from centarumon. I'll have to test this, because it could also save me a minute or two if I don't have to buy this item.

Thanks again for the support and for putting up with me even though I continued being so wrong about the best way to do it. I keep thinking of all the things I won't have to do in this run and how much time it is going to save. I guess I really wanted this run to look impressive and was obsessed with beating the game without ever training on my first digimon. I'm glad that I proved that the game could be beaten any% without ever training and I still certainly learned a lot of valuable information from those attempts, but I'm not going to let this run be anything less than the fastest possible time I can get, so I won't be blinded anymore. I'm gonna be working today and tomorrow, but then I'm off until next weekend, so don't expect progress until some time during the week, but I'll update as soon as I can!