Digimon World for PSX

2012-12-13 12:50:00 pm

sry..my bad *-*

2013-01-02 10:09:18 am

After some playing with a TAS'ing emulator, I have determined a few things. Everything the TASer did is correct. The 'RNG' cycles in a fixed cycle every time your digimon finishes an animation. It starts on the same value.

I'm going to find a way to check if S&L resets the 'RNG', but I don't have an emulator capable of confirming that. I'll give you a heads up if I figure it out.

sdafan2012

2013-01-09 05:28:52 pm

cant wait to see this run guys. good job on all the work so far

Roie

2013-01-14 01:44:51 pm

http://goo.gl/bkFXv
So what are those 2 categories? I can't understand.

r

2013-01-14 01:46:51 pm

Well whatever that second category is, here is a video http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/28016306

zastbat

2013-01-14 02:18:45 pm

Lord Of The Beards

The two categories are required monochromon which is a special rule and Any% basically

Foxtreme

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2013-01-16 04:44:45 pm

The 1:53 run is impressive. I'm currently doing attempts/looking for improvements on that route. I might do some streaming of those.

By the way, has anybody else encountered a "bug" where you can't skip the stats gain box after training/battles? It happens to me from time to time and it's kind of annoying.

Edit: Got a PB with 2:29:57, with many mistakes (a couple of wrong paths and a lot of unintended battles, eventually messed up timings and had to train/wait getting Seadramon, etc.). I also had terrible luck (I didn't learn any fire technique and had to stick with Spit Fire during the entire run).

Eddalius

2013-01-18 10:46:42 am

I've changed my route from looking at the TAS. To be honest, bakemon is too good to pass up. You get him day 1, he gets stats and you can pretty much do the same route and you get a nice training location Tongue

Foxtreme

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Streaming right now: http://twitch.tv/ffoxt

Edd: Do you know the exact chance for bakemon?

halfbakedprophet

2013-01-18 12:29:46 pm

IIRC Bakemon is 50% under the right conditions (it's been several years so I easily could be wrong).

Really interested in this run, it's one of the more unique games out there. I lost my old copy, but if I can locate a decently priced one online I'll definitely join in with some races/runs.

Also out of curiosity, anyone know the quickest method to get an ultimate from NG? There was a race on SRL with that goal and everyone forfeited except one iirc.

Eddalius

2013-01-18 08:19:20 pm

A copy of digimon world (NTSC) will set you back around $40 USD. Bakemon is obtained within 10 minutes of starting the run, so it is pretty easy to just reset and try again if you don't get him, but outside of that he is much faster than other digimon.

Foxtreme

2013-01-20 08:42:23 pm

So I've been experimenting a bit with Bakemon and I'm trying to get a proper route, because of day/night events. Currently I'm considering skipping Meramon or not, since it should save time, but I'd skip the 3 off chips and I'd still have to get these 2 PP somewhere else (Maybe Patamon and Penguinmon?).

Also I'm wondering if it's possible to manipulate the RNG in a realtime run in order to get a 100% chance of Bakemon.

Eddalius

2013-01-21 05:20:14 am

Penguinmon takes longer to get than meramon. Not getting meramon stops you from getting other digimon too, doesn't it? Doesn't leomon require meramon, ogremon and some pp?

Foxtreme

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2013-01-21 08:13:00 am

I believe Meramon is only needed for Drimogemon. Penguinmon is 1 extra screen + minigame, and Patamon are 3 fights (they should be fast by the point I fight him). There are a few extra screens needed to open the entrance to Mt. Panorama. Meramon is 2 fights (Drimogemon), and ~15-20 screens, but the real point is that we have to wait until day 6. Because we'll need to train Offense anyway and these chips in Lava pools are very helpful, it probably won't be worth skipping Meramon.

There are more options but I don't really like them: Piximon (can take a while to appear), Monochromon (because fuck RNG) and Frigimon (too much luck dependant since I need a moldy meat from Centarumon and would delay getting Bakemon).

So I'm gonna stick with penguinmon + patamon, and try to get a full run and see how it goes.

Zylo

2013-01-22 07:00:54 pm

Hello everyone. I'm new here. About a month ago I became interested in speed running Digimon world but didn't get very far on my own. Thankfully someone pointed me in the direction of this thread. I've read through all of it and there seems to be a lot more work on this game than I initially thought.

I watched the full 1:53 run and I was pretty impressed. I'm confused just how he got Vademon to appear and I'm going to try and do exactly what he did (though may be difficult as I can't see exactly what he viewed on Shellmon's board) and see if I can get Vademon to appear as well. My question is, has anyone attempted to emulate his path, or write it out? I might try to type it out later, like a detailed path of what exactly he did, though right now I haven't the time.

The only problems I have with his run is that it seemed to depend on him getting Heat Beam (I think that's what it was) from Birdramon. I'm sure it may have been possible to still beat the game without it, but it may have been 1000x harder. I don't know what the chances are of him learning that ability either and I don't think I want to have to rely on a small chance, if it is a small chance. I guess the good thing is that it'd not TOO far into the run that he gets it so you could reset afterwards if you don't get it.

On that note, I sort of feel like experimenting with other Digimon to use. I loved the idea of Garurumon into Ice Statue, but that could potentially be slow as you must learn that ability. Not to mention it doesn't seem like you need it. As Nico showed all you seem to need is massive damage and the reaction times to force feed recoveries constantly during battle. What do you guys think?

Last thing, I'm thinking of making an IRC channel for this so we can better collaborate and try to break this game open even further, that would be my goal for the game.

Hello everyone. I'm new here. About a month ago I became interested in speed running Digimon world but didn't get very far on my own. Thankfully someone pointed me in the direction of this thread. I've read through all of it and there seems to be a lot more work on this game than I initially thought.

I watched the full 1:53 run and I was pretty impressed. I'm confused just how he got Vademon to appear and I'm going to try and do exactly what he did (though may be difficult as I can't see exactly what he viewed on Shellmon's board) and see if I can get Vademon to appear as well. My question is, has anyone attempted to emulate his path, or write it out? I might try to type it out later, like a detailed path of what exactly he did, though right now I haven't the time.

The only problems I have with his run is that it seemed to depend on him getting Heat Beam (I think that's what it was) from Birdramon. I'm sure it may have been possible to still beat the game without it, but it may have been 1000x harder. I don't know what the chances are of him learning that ability either and I don't think I want to have to rely on a small chance, if it is a small chance. I guess the good thing is that it'd not TOO far into the run that he gets it so you could reset afterwards if you don't get it.

On that note, I sort of feel like experimenting with other Digimon to use. I loved the idea of Garurumon into Ice Statue, but that could potentially be slow as you must learn that ability. Not to mention it doesn't seem like you need it. As Nico showed all you seem to need is massive damage and the reaction times to force feed recoveries constantly during battle. What do you guys think?

Last thing, I'm thinking of making an IRC channel for this so we can better collaborate and try to break this game open even further, that would be my goal for the game.

Eddalius

2013-01-22 09:02:26 pm

Zylo, currently we mostly collaborate on skype (regarding Fox, Zastbat and I, as I haven't seen Jinzo in a while). I've also transcribed the full Japanese run, but the notes really won't help anyone. The issue is that you have to perfectly time his route to do it in the same manner, if you are even slightly off, the route doesn't work.

No reaction time is needed in combat, in the later fights the menu is open 80% of the time to feed offence and speed discs along with any MP/Recoveries as needed.

I will say this, be prepared to get extremely stressed and annoyed by the first 10 minutes of the run, as those are definitely the worst. I quit running this game just because I'm sick of those 10 minutes. Nonetheless, best of luck.

Foxtreme

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2013-01-22 09:19:59 pm

Zylo: Hello and welcome! Glad to see another fellow interested in running this game Smiley

I'm up for the IRC channel, though we aren't that many people actively running this to have an active channel.

For Vademon this is how you get him:
- Go to his place.
- Check Shellmon paper.
- Go to his place again.
- When you have 45 PP, check Shellmon paper again.
- Go to his place for a 3rd time and he will appear.
I don't know how many PP are actually required for the second time you read Shellmon's paper yet, but it doesn't matter since you should do it after getting Leomon's tablet.

Learning techniques isn't really needed, fights are slower if you don't learn anything more useful than Spit Fire, but you'll need less MP disks so you can buy more recoveries if needed. About the route notes, I had some detailed ones but they weren't that useful because as Eddalius said, it's not possible to follow them because of the game clock and the RNG. Anyway I have some guidelines in this thread a few pages back.

As for possible digimons to use, Centarumon is the easiest to get. Garurumon is probably the best option in a segmented run (the last run I did I had about 15 fights trying to learn Ice Statue and he didn't). Monzaemon is another option but it has a completely different route. And right now it seems that Bakemon is the fastest one but it's kinda annoying since you have to reset if you don't get him.

Quote from Eddalius:

I will say this, be prepared to get extremely stressed and annoyed by the first 10 minutes of the run, as those are definitely the worst. I quit running this game just because I'm sick of those 10 minutes. Nonetheless, best of luck.

Don't try Kunemon day 1 and suddenly they aren't that annoying anymore Tongue

Zylo: Hello and welcome! Glad to see another fellow interested in running this game :) I'm up for the IRC channel, though we aren't that many people actively running this to have an active channel.

For Vademon this is how you get him:
- Go to his place.
- Check Shellmon paper.
- Go to his place again.
- When you have 45 PP, check Shellmon paper again.
- Go to his place for a 3rd time and he will appear.
I don't know how many PP are actually required for the second time you read Shellmon's paper yet, but it doesn't matter since you should do it after getting Leomon's tablet.

Learning techniques isn't really needed, fights are slower if you don't learn anything more useful than Spit Fire, but you'll need less MP disks so you can buy more recoveries if needed. About the route notes, I had some detailed ones but they weren't that useful because as Eddalius said, it's not possible to follow them because of the game clock and the RNG. Anyway I have some guidelines in this thread a few pages back.

As for possible digimons to use, Centarumon is the easiest to get. Garurumon is probably the best option in a segmented run (the last run I did I had about 15 fights trying to learn Ice Statue and he didn't). Monzaemon is another option but it has a completely different route. And right now it seems that Bakemon is the fastest one but it's kinda annoying since you have to reset if you don't get him.

[quote="Eddalius"]I will say this, be prepared to get extremely stressed and annoyed by the first 10 minutes of the run, as those are definitely the worst. I quit running this game just because I'm sick of those 10 minutes. Nonetheless, best of luck.[/quote]
Don't try Kunemon day 1 and suddenly they aren't that annoying anymore :P

Zylo

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2013-01-22 09:36:30 pm

If you guys are in Skype and don't mind adding me my skype name is Xagotheory (real name is Justin Ross for reference when you look me up) though I still go by Zylo. whether you guys just chat in a group conversation or in calls it doesn't matter to me, either would be quite useful. I think there's a lot of potential to this. I know I am coming off as I know a lot when I only just started, so sorry about that, I'm just confident and hyped that we can break apart this game.

I saw your notes and they looked pretty solid I still need to try them out as well. So you're saying that after looking into it the only reason his route worked was because of rng? I'm assuming by that you mean the time legnth of fights and potentionally the spawn of ninjamon? I'm not sure what else would be rng to affect the in-game clock other than maybe centaurmon.

Also, I am against segmented runs. More of just for myself, I don't have anything against others who do, but I personally don't like them so I won't do them lol. I know that may make this quite a bit harder but oh well, that's my fault haha.

I would love to go into some of this even further. I may or may not be streaming it tonight but I will be streaming my progress as I make it in the actual game. I won't have any real schedule for streaming, more of just when I feel like working on it or when I get free time. For reference, here's my page: http://twitch.tv/zylo003/new

If you guys are in Skype and don't mind adding me my skype name is Xagotheory (real name is Justin Ross for reference when you look me up) though I still go by Zylo. whether you guys just chat in a group conversation or in calls it doesn't matter to me, either would be quite useful. I think there's a lot of potential to this. I know I am coming off as I know a lot when I only just started, so sorry about that, I'm just confident and hyped that we can break apart this game.

I saw your notes and they looked pretty solid I still need to try them out as well. So you're saying that after looking into it the only reason his route worked was because of rng? I'm assuming by that you mean the time legnth of fights and potentionally the spawn of ninjamon? I'm not sure what else would be rng to affect the in-game clock other than maybe centaurmon.

Also, I am against segmented runs. More of just for myself, I don't have anything against others who do, but I personally don't like them so I won't do them lol. I know that may make this quite a bit harder but oh well, that's my fault haha.

I would love to go into some of this even further. I may or may not be streaming it tonight but I will be streaming my progress as I make it in the actual game. I won't have any real schedule for streaming, more of just when I feel like working on it or when I get free time. For reference, here's my page: [url]http://twitch.tv/zylo003/new[/url]

animalkya

2013-01-22 09:38:27 pm

Sorry if I seem to be one believed, but not mastered English well, google translator is horrible
I have not got me in speedrun.

When I did a record Jinzo 6 hours. I showed the way to get Monzaemon, and reduced it to 2 Jinzo, but now the record is 1:53.

I will beat the record again with a guide for parts, because I think you can still improve a lot. I hope to get 1.30 by the parties.

Now I have university exams, but in February, I hope I will have about half of February and the speedrun for parts list.

Cheer up and keep doing this great game records. I hope you like the way I kept Monzaemon helped in the past, now follow the path that will help in the future.

Foxtreme

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2013-01-22 10:48:02 pm

I'll try to stream more and do some proper commentary on my runs (though I still need to fix a sound issue, and my accent is terrible ^^). My channel: http://twitch.tv/ffoxt/new

Quote from Zylo:

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The problem is that there are a few events that depend on being in a certain place at a very specific times. If I can recall all of them: Coelamon (afternoon), Yuramon (noon and afternoon), Factorial Town guards (1 hour after noon/midnight), Kokatorimon (early morning), Seadramon (morning/afternoon).

The problem with the RNG is that if affects the amount of time the game time will go forward after a fight. Also if you happen to run into an unwanted fight, you potentially lose minutes if you have to wait to the next day for an event. So what I want to say is that we shouldn't have a route set in stone for the entire run, but adapt on the fly as needed to suit the game time (i.e doing Factory Town / Kokatorimon / Seadramon in different order).

The recruitable digimon that depend on RNG are Centarumon, Monochromon, Penguinmon, Mamemon, MetalMamemon and Piximon. Only the first is obtained because it's mandatory, and consistent once you figure out his pattern. Seadramon depends too, but he doesn't affect the game time. Ninjamon appears always after you recruit a digimon for the secret shop (Numemon in the route).

Quote from animalkya:

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If you don't speak spanish just ignore this Tongue

Creo que hablas español ¿verdad? ¿Vas a hacer un run por segmentos? Explicame que quieres hacer y lo puedo traducir al resto porque tu mensaje no se entiende con la traducción de google.

I'll try to stream more and do some proper commentary on my runs (though I still need to fix a sound issue, and my accent is terrible ^^). My channel: [url]http://twitch.tv/ffoxt/new[/url]

[quote="Zylo"]...[/quote]
The problem is that there are a few events that depend on being in a certain place at a very specific times. If I can recall all of them: Coelamon (afternoon), Yuramon (noon and afternoon), Factorial Town guards (1 hour after noon/midnight), Kokatorimon (early morning), Seadramon (morning/afternoon).

The problem with the RNG is that if affects the amount of time the game time will go forward after a fight. Also if you happen to run into an unwanted fight, you potentially lose minutes if you have to wait to the next day for an event. So what I want to say is that we shouldn't have a route set in stone for the entire run, but adapt on the fly as needed to suit the game time (i.e doing Factory Town / Kokatorimon / Seadramon in different order).

The recruitable digimon that depend on RNG are Centarumon, Monochromon, Penguinmon, Mamemon, MetalMamemon and Piximon. Only the first is obtained because it's mandatory, and consistent once you figure out his pattern. Seadramon depends too, but he doesn't affect the game time. Ninjamon appears always after you recruit a digimon for the secret shop (Numemon in the route).

[quote="animalkya"]...[/quote]
If you don't speak spanish just ignore this :P
Creo que hablas español ¿verdad? ¿Vas a hacer un run por segmentos? Explicame que quieres hacer y lo puedo traducir al resto porque tu mensaje no se entiende con la traducción de google.

Zylo

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2013-01-22 11:05:55 pm

Oh right, for some reason I was thinking Ninjamon was random like the rest. I would like to avoid trying for monochromon if at all possible. I am terrible at his game and always have been and it is VERY RNG based. I'm not a fan of relying on RNG either. So even if it takes a little bit slower to not get him, assuming you get him first try, I'd rather do that. Maybe down the road if it's that big of a difference that getting him is much faster, I'll just have to switch over to getting him, however right now I don't think we have to rely on him. I also did not plan on getting any of the random chance digimon obviously.

It has been a while since I have played all the way through the game and usually as people say, once you spreed run a game consistently you see the game in a different way. So tonight I am gona play, but it's going to be a casual play through from start to end. I'm not gona race and I'm just gona recruit whatever digimon I feel like recruiting. If you want to come into my twitch chat and talk about things you're more than welcome, or if you want to talk in a call or something let me know, that would be pretty cool too, if you're free that is.

EDIT: Well I just got done streaming for two hours. Another reason i made it a casual playthrough is for anyone who comes by and hasn't seen the game played at all they could watch that if they wana know more in depth things about the game itself rather than speed running it.

Here's the vods of those. If any of you can check them out, even just for like a min, and let me know if they look good or not, I would appreciate it. My friend is working on a banner for the top actually so in the coming days or weeks my stream should look a lot better.

Part 1: http://http://www.twitch.tv/zylo003/c/1859451
Part 2: http://http://www.twitch.tv/zylo003/c/1859459

Oh right, for some reason I was thinking Ninjamon was random like the rest. I would like to avoid trying for monochromon if at all possible. I am terrible at his game and always have been and it is VERY RNG based. I'm not a fan of relying on RNG either. So even if it takes a little bit slower to not get him, assuming you get him first try, I'd rather do that. Maybe down the road if it's that big of a difference that getting him is much faster, I'll just have to switch over to getting him, however right now I don't think we have to rely on him. I also did not plan on getting any of the random chance digimon obviously.

It has been a while since I have played all the way through the game and usually as people say, once you spreed run a game consistently you see the game in a different way. So tonight I am gona play, but it's going to be a casual play through from start to end. I'm not gona race and I'm just gona recruit whatever digimon I feel like recruiting. If you want to come into my twitch chat and talk about things you're more than welcome, or if you want to talk in a call or something let me know, that would be pretty cool too, if you're free that is.

EDIT: Well I just got done streaming for two hours. Another reason i made it a casual playthrough is for anyone who comes by and hasn't seen the game played at all they could watch that if they wana know more in depth things about the game itself rather than speed running it.

Here's the vods of those. If any of you can check them out, even just for like a min, and let me know if they look good or not, I would appreciate it. My friend is working on a banner for the top actually so in the coming days or weeks my stream should look a lot better.

Part 1: [url]http://http://www.twitch.tv/zylo003/c/1859451[/url]
Part 2: [url]http://http://www.twitch.tv/zylo003/c/1859459[/url]

animalkya

2013-01-23 07:23:18 am

Sí, en febrero haré un Speedrun por segmentos, creo k tardaré menos de 1:30 horas. Cuando yo llegué aquí hace tiempo, el record lo tenía Jinzo92 con 6 horas, y le enseñe la manera de conseguir a Monzaemon rápidamente, y bajó el record de 2 horas y algo. Me gusta mucho buscar las rutas más rápidas de los juegos, y este juego con concreto lo he jugado mucho. Si por segmentos bajo el tiempo de 1:30 horas, subiré los videos. Imagino que será un segmento cada vez que el digimon duerma. No se cuantos segmentos será eso. Antes de nada tengo una pregunta. ¿A seadramon se le puede coger con la caña vieja, o tiene que ser con la super caña del Rey gekomon?

animalkya

2013-01-23 08:05:41 am

Me gustaría saber tambien como o donde descargar, el cronómetro ese k usais para saber el tiempo que llevais y todo eso. Todo el mundo que hace speedrun lo tiene y yo no lo encuentro por ningún lado. Gracias Foxtreme

Foxtreme

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Quote from Zylo:

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I watched only a bit but the videos are great and very informative so far. This game is very obscure at some points so for someone that hasn't played it it's nice to hear an explanation of what and why things happen.

Quote from animalkya:

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Si quieres conseguir un tiempo de menos de 1:30, deberás optimizar al máximo cada segmento y buscar formas de ahorrar tiempo que no sean posibles en un RTA. Si has visto el run de 1:53, está bastante optimizado y no va a ser fácil bajar ese tiempo. ¡Ánimo y suerte!
Respecto a tus preguntas: Seadramon se puede capturar con la caña vieja, y el programa que buscas es WSplit, que lo puedes descargar desde esta página: http://speedrunslive.com/tools/

For everyone that doesn't speak spanish: animalkya is going to do a segmented run in February and he expects to get a time below 1:30

animalkya

2013-01-23 09:07:31 am

Gracias por tu ayuda. Está muy bien la verdad, si lo hubiera hecho él por partes seguramente poco habría bajado ese tiempo jaja.