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ZFG: 2007-07-06 08:13:37 pm

2007-07-06 08:12:54 pm

MrGrunz is a guay

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1. I think I already received the letter first, but it was a while ago.

2. On my skip Fyrus with CD-Stream save, I picked up arrows, so I didn't need to steal bombs.

3. I wonder if the Bomb Bag from the boat game will do this as well, but then again it would totally defeat the purpose

1.damn

2.how did you beat the lbt and the rest of the game w/o em?

3.no the reason it happened is because there was a side affect with the code that changed around the story a little bit.datel later released another code without the side affects

EDIT:6000th post WOOT

Paraxade

2007-07-06 08:28:57 pm

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2.how did you beat the lbt and the rest of the game w/o em?

He said he didn't need to steal bombs, not get them. With arrows he could just get Iza's bag normally.

Kazooie

2007-07-07 03:14:20 pm

Zelda Rulez!

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1. I already tried that with CD-Streaming (and I think Kazooie before me), and nothing happens when Illa receives the horse call.

2. If there was a way to get past the rocks north of Eldin Province and Zora's Domain without CD-Streaming, Fyrus would be an optional boss (unless there's a catch that I haven't found yet). Or EMS would do the trick if we had arrows

3. Something sounds fishy on that one. Someone should check it out (If I had my Cube right now, that person would be me.)

I have noticed that long time ago. I told it to potter too. It's true you can skip first part of quest to egt ilia's memory back. I have tried to get hidden village early about two hours. It's very easy to get there if we can get up that to the that ledge in tunnel. it's so close.

With DC streaming glitch it's possible but that is not used in speedrun anyway. Sory if I told it only to the potter. I have done it many times :-/

mzxrules

2007-07-08 05:58:18 am

zeldaspeedruns.com

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I have noticed that long time ago. I told it to potter too. It's true you can skip first part of quest to egt ilia's memory back. I have tried to get hidden village early about two hours. It's very easy to get there if we can get up that to the that ledge in tunnel. it's so close.

With CD streaming glitch it's possible but that is not used in speedrun anyway. Sory if I told it only to the potter. I have done it many times :-/

1. Are you saying that it [I]is[/i] possible to skip most of Illa's memory quest?
2. Fierce (I think it was him) found a way to horse float by cliping into the rock in the middle of the path between South Hyrule and Lake Hylia. I was hoping that more spots like that would be found, but many people confuse CD-Streaming with Horse Floating...
But anyways, that would get you out of bounds legitimately, and the Eldin Province no Twili sequence can be used to get you to... close to the right elevation
hmmm

logitechSDAZ

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logitechSDAZ: 2007-07-08 09:47:52 am

2007-07-08 09:46:04 am

Didn't find much at all today unfortunately. I am still going very, very slowly. Probably already found and completely pointless because it wastes time, but as a wolf, you can open 2 treasure chests (10 rupees, 20 rupees) early in Zora's Domain when it is still frozen.

Whoopty-doo! Roll Eyes

Kazooie

2007-07-08 12:02:54 pm

Zelda Rulez!

you can only skip first part of of that "ilia's memory quest". Sorry but cannot remember how it goes but you can skip first part of it. Maybe I should do video of it Roll Eyes

c4p7ain c0mp0s7

2007-07-08 06:49:42 pm

Food goes in here

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you can only skip first part of of that "ilia's memory quest". Sorry but cannot remember how it goes but you can skip first part of it. Maybe I should do video of it Roll Eyes

Yes, please. I'd like to see it.

logitechSDAZ

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logitechSDAZ: 2007-07-08 07:52:56 pm

2007-07-08 07:38:19 pm

A somewhat difficult Goron Mines timesaver

Pause at 2:00. You don't have to kill this enemy. It is somewhat tough to avoid getting hit though. You can pull the chain at an angle to a certain point and the wall will keep pulling out at the same pace. Doing this will avoid the enemy and its flame.

Pull the chain normally, and then when you see the enemy halt getting ready to shoot its flame at you when pulling the chain, that is when you pull the chain at an angle to try to avoid the enemy and its flame.

I think you can pull out the wall at the same pace with iron boots on. You can pull the chain at even more of an angle and the wall will keep moving out.

If you time everything right, you can always avoid the enemy and its flame. However, it is not exactly easy to do.

Time saved without iron boots on ---> 3 seconds
Time saved with iron boots on ---> 1 second

This might not be worth attempting in a speedrun.

[b]A somewhat difficult Goron Mines timesaver[/b]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ypeo4mbYME[/url]

Pause at 2:00.  You don't have to kill this enemy.  It is somewhat tough to avoid getting hit though.  You can pull the chain at an angle to a certain point and the wall will keep pulling out at the same pace.  Doing this will avoid the enemy and its flame.

Pull the chain normally, and then when you see the enemy halt getting ready to shoot its flame at you when pulling the chain, that is when you pull the chain at an angle to try to avoid the enemy and its flame.

I think you can pull out the wall at the same pace with iron boots on.   You can pull the chain at even more of an angle and the wall will keep moving out.

If you time everything right, you can always avoid the enemy and its flame.  However, it is not exactly easy to do.

Time saved without iron boots on ---> 3 seconds 
Time saved with iron boots on ---> 1 second

This might not be worth attempting in a speedrun.

Tp_Fox

2007-07-08 08:44:10 pm

Q(O_o)Q

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A somewhat difficult Goron Mines timesaver

Pause at 2:00. You don't have to kill this enemy. It is somewhat tough to avoid getting hit though. You can pull the chain at an angle to a certain point and the wall will keep pulling out at the same pace. Doing this will avoid the enemy and its flame.

Pull the chain normally, and then when you see the enemy halt getting ready to shoot its flame at you when pulling the chain, that is when you pull the chain at an angle to try to avoid the enemy and its flame.

I think you can pull out the wall at the same pace with iron boots on. You can pull the chain at even more of an angle and the wall will keep moving out.

If you time everything right, you can always avoid the enemy and its flame. However, it is not exactly easy to do.

Time saved without iron boots on ---> 3 seconds
Time saved with iron boots on ---> 1 second

This might not be worth attempting in a speedrun.

Jiano did that in his 6:16 run and I guess he didn't do in this one because it wasn't worth it. I'm still glad some people are still trying to find things. Tongue

And about my speed run progress, I hadn't had time to continue my speed run these past 2-3 days. But I can speed run again today. I'll try to get AG done by today.

[quote][b]A somewhat difficult Goron Mines timesaver[/b]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ypeo4mbYME[/url]

Pause at 2:00.  You don't have to kill this enemy.  It is somewhat tough to avoid getting hit though.  You can pull the chain at an angle to a certain point and the wall will keep pulling out at the same pace.  Doing this will avoid the enemy and its flame.

Pull the chain normally, and then when you see the enemy halt getting ready to shoot its flame at you when pulling the chain, that is when you pull the chain at an angle to try to avoid the enemy and its flame.

I think you can pull out the wall at the same pace with iron boots on.   You can pull the chain at even more of an angle and the wall will keep moving out.

If you time everything right, you can always avoid the enemy and its flame.  However, it is not exactly easy to do.

Time saved without iron boots on ---> 3 seconds 
Time saved with iron boots on ---> 1 second

This might not be worth attempting in a speedrun.  [/quote]
Jiano did that in his 6:16 run and I guess he didn't do in this one because it wasn't worth it. I'm still glad some people are still trying to find things. :P

And about my speed run progress, I hadn't had time to continue my speed run these past 2-3 days. But I can speed run again today. I'll try to get AG done by today.

logitechSDAZ

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logitechSDAZ: 2007-07-09 01:03:02 am

2007-07-09 01:02:41 am

Getting to Lakebed Temple Boss without big key using Midna Dive.

You have to jump onto the staircase railing from the 2nd floor of the room with a jar in your hands and use the Midna Dive to get OoB.
For whatever reason, that seems to be the only place in that room where you can get OoB. It is not nearly as efficient as the vine glitch method and you have to have a good angle to get OoB with Midna Dive after getting on the staircase railing.

Also, once you are OoB, you are very far down below the room, and it wastes time trying to swim back up.

It is another way though.

Paraxade

2007-07-09 01:16:02 am

Has anyone figured out yet exactly what kind of surface you need to fall on when Midna Diving to get OoB?

Tp_Fox

2007-07-09 04:50:07 am

Q(O_o)Q

Found a very weird glitch while speed running grounds for my next segment. Take a look at it here:

logitechSDAZ

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logitechSDAZ: 2007-07-09 07:22:35 am

2007-07-09 04:56:51 am

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Has anyone figured out yet exactly what kind of surface you need to fall on when Midna Diving to get OoB?

I'm not sure I know the answer. It seems like the kind of surface doesn't make a difference, but I'm not entirely sure Huh?

I think the only things that seem to be important for getting OoB with Midna Dive are...

1. The height relation between Link and the ground.
2. The angle in which you position Link before doing the Midna Dive.
3 The way in which Link falls. Link looks like he is falling in semi-slow motion when doing the Midna Dive.

If Link stutters a second before falling and then falls, then OoB doesn't seem to occur that way. He needs to fall "smoothly" if that makes sense.

So, the reason OoB works in Lake Hylia in a couple of spots is because Link is high enough up from water floor. The water floor in Lake Hylia varies greatly in height, and that is why it won't work in many spots.

In Lakebed Temple (in the room where you can perform the vine glitch and skip the boss key) you can do the Midna Dive from the 2nd floor, but you won't get OoB. The problem is that there are curved platforms below those areas and you land on them when doing the Midna Dive.

Also, on the 1st floor it doesn't work. This is because the height relation between Link and the ground below the water is actually small. There is a circular platform just below the surface of the water (after the water level is raised up) that goes all the way around the circumference of that area. Therefore, the height relation between Link and that area isn't enough distance.

So, the only way to do Midna Dive (it seems) in that room is to get a jar, go to the 2nd floor, jump onto the staircase railing, walk upward to the "pointed" barrier on the railing, and then carefully angle Link just right, drop the jar, and hopefully get OoB. Dropping a bomb doesn't push Link off the staircase railing for some reason.

The part of the staircase railing you end up standing on is high enough up from the water floor, so it works.

Of course, if you get OoB with Midna Dive in a non-water area, you will most likely fall through the ground, get OoB, and die.

There is only one spot in the 1st room in Lakebed Temple to do Midna Dive after you surface from the water. This is once again because of the height of Link in relation to the ground below the water. When looking down the water hole, the slope angles downward in spots. There is one spot where it is the deepest. That is where you can Midna Dive.

I know this is a long explanation, and I'm not sure I even answered your question. Heck, I'm not even sure I know for sure.

Because with everything I just described, getting OoB with Midna Dive SHOULD work on the balcony of Falbi's house. It doesn't.

Anyway, I think I've exhausted nearly every location with the Midna Dive. I can't think of any other locations to test it in. The best places to use it so far are Lake Hylia (to get into Lakebed Temple) and Lakebed Temple (to skip the boss key). There really isn't much use for it anyway.

Tp_Fox...that is a weird glitch. I've never had that happen to me.

[quote]Has anyone figured out yet exactly what kind of surface you need to fall on when Midna Diving to get OoB?[/quote]

I'm not sure I know the answer.  It seems like the kind of surface doesn't make a difference, but I'm not entirely sure  ???

I think the only things that seem to be important for getting OoB with Midna Dive are...

1. The height relation between Link and the ground.
2. The angle in which you position Link before doing the Midna Dive.  
3  The way in which Link falls.  Link looks like he is falling in semi-slow motion when doing the Midna Dive.

If Link stutters a second before falling and then falls, then OoB doesn't seem to occur that way.  He needs to fall "smoothly" if that makes sense.

So, the reason OoB works in Lake Hylia in a couple of spots is because Link is high enough up from water floor.  The water floor in Lake Hylia varies greatly in height, and that is why it won't work in many spots.

In Lakebed Temple (in the room where you can perform the vine glitch and skip the boss key) you can do the Midna Dive from the 2nd floor, but you won't get OoB.  The problem is that there are curved platforms below those areas and you land on them when doing the Midna Dive.

Also, on the 1st floor it doesn't work.   This is because the height relation between Link and the ground below the water is actually small.  There is a circular platform just below the surface of the water (after the water level is raised up) that goes all the way around the circumference of that area.  Therefore, the height relation between Link and that area isn't enough distance.

So, the only way to do Midna Dive (it seems) in that room is to get a jar, go to the 2nd floor, jump onto the staircase railing, walk upward to the "pointed" barrier on the railing, and then carefully angle Link just right, drop the jar, and hopefully get OoB.  Dropping a bomb doesn't push Link off the staircase railing for some reason.

The part of the staircase railing you end up standing on is high enough up from the water floor, so it works.

Of course, if you get OoB with Midna Dive in a non-water area, you will most likely fall through the ground, get OoB, and die.

There is only one spot in the 1st room in Lakebed Temple to do Midna Dive after you surface from the water.  This is once again because of the height of Link in relation to the ground below the water.  When looking down the water hole, the slope angles downward in spots.  There is one spot where it is the deepest.  That is where you can Midna Dive.

I know this is a long explanation, and I'm not sure I even answered your question.  Heck, I'm not even sure I know for sure.

Because with everything I just described, getting OoB with Midna Dive SHOULD work on the balcony of Falbi's house.  It doesn't.

Anyway, I think I've exhausted nearly every location with the Midna Dive.  I can't think of any other locations to test it in.  The best places to use it so far are Lake Hylia (to get into Lakebed Temple) and Lakebed Temple (to skip the boss key).  There really isn't much use for it anyway.

Tp_Fox...that is a weird glitch.  I've never had that happen to me.

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2007-07-09 11:36:53 am

I found a nice trick while 100% running in AG. Don't know if it's a novelty, but anyway: After early boss key, running down to the heart piece will get you "stuck", since you "need" the spinner to get out. Here comes my sloppy way of explaining the trick:
In the GCN version, facing the chest with the heart piece, walk to the right until you reach the small "wall". Place a bomb not too far from this wall, and sidehop toward the wall before the bomb explodes. The sidehop will get you almost past the wall, and the explosion does the rest. (Maybe you need the backslice tech to pull this off, I don't know because I have it)

Paraxade

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Paraxade: 2007-07-09 01:18:39 pm

2007-07-09 01:18:27 pm

With the Back Slice, you can get over that without a bomb.

DeweyIsOverrated

2007-07-09 04:33:15 pm

That poe "glitch" made me remember something back when I used to speedrun this game that made me start over once.

If you "stun" the poe so that it falls into a wall, you won't be able to get its soul, and you'll have to star the sequence all over again. It's not really a glitch, but there may be something in that in that we can get it to fall through a wall or crack, and maybe use the "eat heart" command to get Link to jump through some kind of wall, seam, etc.

logitechSDAZ

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logitechSDAZ: 2007-07-09 08:37:05 pm

2007-07-09 08:33:39 pm

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It's not really a glitch, but there may be something in that in that we can get it to fall through a wall or crack, and maybe use the "eat heart" command to get Link to jump through some kind of wall, seam, etc.

I think that even if was possible to get through a wall or seam with that method, it would be incredibly tedious and difficult to pull off because the poe would have to be lined up perfectly and you would have to angle wolf Link perfectly as well. It is worth a shot though, but I think it would require lots and lots of trial and error.

kick52

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kick52: 2007-07-09 09:23:28 pm

2007-07-09 09:22:26 pm

logitech, when you are talking about oob on falbi's house, are you talking about the ledge where you get out with a cucco? because i would of thought that would be quite high for an oob. (but i dunno)

i also think there is a way to get oob at the top of zoras domain, i nearly did it once unintentionally i think.. i was running round behind the natural wall thing as a wolf to get to a place to turn into a human and i saw the void, though i pressed the midna button so i got pushed out i think.. not quite sure what exactly happened.

L

2007-07-09 09:36:23 pm

random tasting pies

sorry, been away, And i don't feel like looking though 50+ pages, so, whats new?

Any new glitches? ( I saw something called Midna drive?)

Any progress on early master sword? (lol, I'm guessing no)

any new major SB in any dungeons?

c4p7ain c0mp0s7

2007-07-09 10:13:14 pm

Food goes in here

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sorry, been away, And i don't feel like looking though 50+ pages, so, whats new?

Any new glitches? ( I saw something called Midna drive?)

It's Midna Dive, actually. It is done by standing near a ledge, then holding out a bomb, or similar object, and prompting midna so link will fall off camera, and hopefully get OoB. Only works in certain areas, etc.

logitech has found several small timesavers in Goron Mines, like skipping the 3rd switch for the fire sprout.

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Any progress on early master sword? (lol, I'm guessing no)

You guessed it, no progress there.

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any new major SB in any dungeons?

Nothing, besides potter's POT break.

Tp_Fox

2007-07-09 10:27:12 pm

Q(O_o)Q

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That poe "glitch" made me remember something back when I used to speedrun this game that made me start over once.

If you "stun" the poe so that it falls into a wall, you won't be able to get its soul, and you'll have to star the sequence all over again. It's not really a glitch, but there may be something in that in that we can get it to fall through a wall or crack, and maybe use the "eat heart" command to get Link to jump through some kind of wall, seam, etc.

Heh, that also happened to me. Tongue

logitechSDAZ

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logitechSDAZ: 2007-07-09 10:48:20 pm

2007-07-09 10:46:24 pm

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logitech, when you are talking about oob on falbi's house, are you talking about the ledge where you get out with a cucco? because i would of thought that would be quite high for an oob. (but i dunno)

i also think there is a way to get oob at the top of zoras domain, i nearly did it once unintentionally i think.. i was running round behind the natural wall thing as a wolf to get to a place to turn into a human and i saw the void, though i pressed the midna button so i got pushed out i think.. not quite sure what exactly happened.

Yeah, it is the ledge on Falbi's balcony where you go out with the cucco. For some reason, OoB won't happen there.

There may be other spots in Zora's Domain to get OoB. Kodo91 has a vid of one spot. I know of another spot. It is by a ledge, a grassy knoll, 2 crates nearby, and a treasure chest nearby (20 rupee chest I think). Hope that is a good enough reference. After you get out of the water, you climb a pathway and it makes a sharp turn when going up the path. It is on the opposite side of the map from this vid...

I haven't found any other timesavers in Lakebed Temple, but I wasn't expecting too. That temple has been broken as far as it can go...I think.

[quote]logitech, when you are talking about oob on falbi's house, are you talking about the ledge where you get out with a cucco? because i would of thought that would be quite high for an oob. (but i dunno)

i also think there is a way to get oob at the top of zoras domain, i nearly did it once unintentionally i think.. i was running round behind the natural wall thing as a wolf to get to a place to turn into a human and i saw the void, though i pressed the midna button so i got pushed out i think.. not quite sure what exactly happened.[/quote]

Yeah, it is the ledge on Falbi's balcony where you go out with the cucco.  For some reason, OoB won't happen there.

There may be other spots in Zora's Domain to get OoB.  Kodo91 has a vid of one spot.  I know of another spot.  It is by a ledge, a grassy knoll, 2  crates nearby, and a treasure chest nearby (20 rupee chest I think).  Hope that is a good enough reference.  After you get out of the water, you climb a pathway and it makes a sharp turn when going up the path.  It is on the opposite side of the map from this vid...

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07l66U7SUew[/url]

I haven't found any other timesavers in Lakebed Temple, but I wasn't expecting too.  That temple has been broken as far as it can go...I think.

Paraxade

2007-07-09 11:27:40 pm

Try to see if you can manage to glitch through the waterwheel blocking access to the boss key.

logitechSDAZ

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logitechSDAZ: 2007-07-10 01:06:47 am

2007-07-10 01:06:25 am

Skip the 1st rope when Midna is hurt

Pause vid at 2:48. You can skip the 1st rope and just jump over to the other side. This may only save a second or 2 though. You have to get on the tiny platform though where the rope is attached b4 attempting the jump. Because of this, and having to position the camera quickly, this may not be very ideal.

Tp_Fox

2007-07-10 03:07:08 am

Q(O_o)Q

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Skip the 1st rope when Midna is hurt

Pause vid at 2:48. You can skip the 1st rope and just jump over to the other side. This may only save a second or 2 though. You have to get on the tiny platform though where the rope is attached b4 attempting the jump. Because of this, and having to position the camera quickly, this may not be very ideal.

Heh, that's a little old because it was found by SexyZora19 around feb, but nice discovery. Me and Jiano skipped it because it's a bit hard hard to do and also because it might just result in the same time.