Twilight Princess (GCN)

2011-07-07 12:31:27 am

BiTE saves time, is SDA legal, and should be used, at this point there's no valid reason not to and excluding it would be arbitrary and hold a negative impact on your run. Also Ecko, your run needs a LOT of work from both a video quality and gameplay quality perspective. Ignoring the video issues, if I was a verifier I'd reject your run based on the first two segments alone. Segment 1 on its own had several different things that should have warranted a reset and segment 2... I have no idea what happened there before fishing but it was bad. I have videos of both segment 1 and 2 from a few years ago, both of which beat yours by a decently large amount, so check there if you want more specifics on how to improve.

I know people want the bounty but you guys have to realize that the bounty is for getting a run on the site, not for finishing a half-assed badly executed run. Put some work into it. Speedrunning's not easy.

BiTE saves time, is SDA legal, and should be used, at this point there's no valid reason not to and excluding it would be arbitrary and hold a negative impact on your run. Also Ecko, your run needs a LOT of work from both a video quality and gameplay quality perspective. Ignoring the video issues, if I was a verifier I'd reject your run based on the first two segments alone. Segment 1 on its own had several different things that should have warranted a reset and segment 2... I have no idea what happened there before fishing but it was bad. I have videos of both [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgasQizsdfQ]segment 1[/url] and [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXxIB7PT8s4]2[/url] from a few years ago, both of which beat yours by a decently large amount, so check there if you want more specifics on how to improve.

I know people want the bounty but you guys have to realize that the bounty is for [i]getting a run on the site[/i], not for finishing a half-assed badly executed run. Put some work into it. Speedrunning's not easy.

Exo

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Exo: 2011-07-07 01:18:39 am

2011-07-07 01:17:38 am

Sandbagging

Quote from Paraxade:

BiTE saves time, is SDA legal, and should be used, at this point there's no valid reason not to and excluding it would be arbitrary and hold a negative impact on your run. Also Ecko, your run needs a LOT of work from both a video quality and gameplay quality perspective. Ignoring the video issues, if I was a verifier I'd reject your run based on the first two segments alone. Segment 1 on its own had several different things that should have warranted a reset and segment 2... I have no idea what happened there before fishing but it was bad. I have videos of both segment 1 and 2 from a few years ago, both of which beat yours by a decently large amount, so check there if you want more specifics on how to improve.

I know people want the bounty but you guys have to realize that the bounty is for getting a run on the site, not for finishing a half-assed badly executed run. Put some work into it. Speedrunning's not easy.

Talked to an admin ? If not I don't think I'll be using the BiTE-exploit in my run.
I always thought save corruption using multiple save-files was against sda-rules.

[quote="Paraxade"]BiTE saves time, is SDA legal, and should be used, at this point there's no valid reason not to and excluding it would be arbitrary and hold a negative impact on your run. Also Ecko, your run needs a LOT of work from both a video quality and gameplay quality perspective. Ignoring the video issues, if I was a verifier I'd reject your run based on the first two segments alone. Segment 1 on its own had several different things that should have warranted a reset and segment 2... I have no idea what happened there before fishing but it was bad. I have videos of both [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgasQizsdfQ]segment 1[/url] and [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXxIB7PT8s4]2[/url] from a few years ago, both of which beat yours by a decently large amount, so check there if you want more specifics on how to improve.

I know people want the bounty but you guys have to realize that the bounty is for [i]getting a run on the site[/i], not for finishing a half-assed badly executed run. Put some work into it. Speedrunning's not easy.[/quote]

Talked to an admin ? If not I don't think I'll be using the BiTE-exploit in my run.
I always thought save corruption using multiple save-files was against sda-rules.

UchihaSasuke

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UchihaSasuke: 2011-07-07 01:19:53 am

2011-07-07 01:19:40 am

Stand: Devil's Call in your Heart

you don't corrupt the save. you just reset and keep some stuff when making a new file.

Exo

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Exo: 2011-07-07 01:33:44 am

Exo: 2011-07-07 01:31:14 am

2011-07-07 01:27:54 am

Sandbagging

Quote from UchihaSasuke:

you don't corrupt the save. you just reset and keep some stuff when making a new file.

It dumps the gamedata from the old file.
Not sure if starting from a new save in mid-run is allowed.

P.S.: Don't get me wrong, I want to use the BiTE-glitch if its allowed.

logitechSDAZ

2011-07-07 01:37:35 am

Exo, BiTE in 100% uses the same save file you're speedrunning on. Goat herd, get heart piece, save. Load save file, leave Bo's house, go back to goat herding area, LJA over trigger, do BiTE, and load your save file. You never create a new save file. Yes, the time is all counted when leaving Bo's to doing BiTE, etc. It still saves like 01:30 compared to riding back to Kakariko. BiTE is allowed.

Exo

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Exo: 2011-07-07 01:39:32 am

2011-07-07 01:39:11 am

Sandbagging

Quote from logitechSDAZ:

Exo, BiTE in 100% uses the same save file you're speedrunning on. Goat herd, get heart piece, save. Load save file, leave Bo's house, go back to goat herding area, LJA over trigger, do BiTE, and load your save file. You never create a new save file. Yes, the time is all counted when leaving Bo's to doing BiTE, etc. It still saves like 01:30 compared to riding back to Kakariko. BiTE is allowed.

Touché. Definitely using it then. Thanks logitech.

Ecko65

2011-07-07 10:30:30 am

DK + Mario Kart 8 = <3

Quote from Sillygramcracker:

Ecko, it looks like your video quality needs some work (the first segment is okay but the second has some horrendous moments that look like spots where cheating might be possible through careful editing). Did you record this on a VHS tape? I should mention that DVD recording, among other methods, is generally preferred nowadays. I don't know that much about recording runs, but a lot of the other folks here should be able to give you some tips (plus there's a whole section of the SDA Knowledge Base with info about recording). As a last recommendation I suggest reading the thread where Runnerguy planned an SS Banjo-Kazooie run, in which it was explained thoroughly how to avoid some of the pitfalls associated with recording.

The aforementioned BK thread: http://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/banjo_kazooie_100_single_segment_speedrun_by_jumpman.html

yeah i recorded on vhs and then copy it to dvd because the problem is my dvd recorder doesn´t record wii and gcn games there comes an error message but the tape can be the issue there

[quote="Sillygramcracker"]Ecko, it looks like your video quality needs some work (the first segment is okay but the second has some horrendous moments that look like spots where cheating might be possible through careful editing). Did you record this on a VHS tape? I should mention that DVD recording, among other methods, is generally preferred nowadays. I don't know that much about recording runs, but a lot of the other folks here should be able to give you some tips (plus there's a whole section of the SDA Knowledge Base with info about recording). As a last recommendation I suggest reading the thread where Runnerguy planned an SS Banjo-Kazooie run, in which it was explained thoroughly how to avoid some of the pitfalls associated with recording.

The aforementioned BK thread: http://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/banjo_kazooie_100_single_segment_speedrun_by_jumpman.html[/quote]

yeah i recorded on vhs and then copy it to dvd because the problem is my dvd recorder doesn´t record wii and gcn games there comes an error message  but the tape can be the issue there

Ecko65

2011-07-07 10:36:40 am

DK + Mario Kart 8 = <3

Quote from Paraxade:

BiTE saves time, is SDA legal, and should be used, at this point there's no valid reason not to and excluding it would be arbitrary and hold a negative impact on your run. Also Ecko, your run needs a LOT of work from both a video quality and gameplay quality perspective. Ignoring the video issues, if I was a verifier I'd reject your run based on the first two segments alone. Segment 1 on its own had several different things that should have warranted a reset and segment 2... I have no idea what happened there before fishing but it was bad. I have videos of both segment 1 and 2 from a few years ago, both of which beat yours by a decently large amount, so check there if you want more specifics on how to improve.

I know people want the bounty but you guys have to realize that the bounty is for getting a run on the site, not for finishing a half-assed badly executed run. Put some work into it. Speedrunning's not easy.

yeah you are right i improve this maybe later

[quote="Paraxade"]BiTE saves time, is SDA legal, and should be used, at this point there's no valid reason not to and excluding it would be arbitrary and hold a negative impact on your run. Also Ecko, your run needs a LOT of work from both a video quality and gameplay quality perspective. Ignoring the video issues, if I was a verifier I'd reject your run based on the first two segments alone. Segment 1 on its own had several different things that should have warranted a reset and segment 2... I have no idea what happened there before fishing but it was bad. I have videos of both [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgasQizsdfQ]segment 1[/url] and [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXxIB7PT8s4]2[/url] from a few years ago, both of which beat yours by a decently large amount, so check there if you want more specifics on how to improve.

I know people want the bounty but you guys have to realize that the bounty is for [i]getting a run on the site[/i], not for finishing a half-assed badly executed run. Put some work into it. Speedrunning's not easy.[/quote]

yeah you are right i improve this maybe later

Mystery

2011-07-07 11:07:39 am

Quote from Ecko65:

Quote from Sillygramcracker:

Ecko, it looks like your video quality needs some work (the first segment is okay but the second has some horrendous moments that look like spots where cheating might be possible through careful editing). Did you record this on a VHS tape? I should mention that DVD recording, among other methods, is generally preferred nowadays. I don't know that much about recording runs, but a lot of the other folks here should be able to give you some tips (plus there's a whole section of the SDA Knowledge Base with info about recording). As a last recommendation I suggest reading the thread where Runnerguy planned an SS Banjo-Kazooie run, in which it was explained thoroughly how to avoid some of the pitfalls associated with recording.

The aforementioned BK thread: http://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/banjo_kazooie_100_single_segment_speedrun_by_jumpman.html

yeah i recorded on vhs and then copy it to dvd because the problem is my dvd recorder doesn´t record wii and gcn games there comes an error message but the tape can be the issue there

Maybe you should get that sorted out before beginning the run...

[quote="Ecko65"][quote="Sillygramcracker"]Ecko, it looks like your video quality needs some work (the first segment is okay but the second has some horrendous moments that look like spots where cheating might be possible through careful editing). Did you record this on a VHS tape? I should mention that DVD recording, among other methods, is generally preferred nowadays. I don't know that much about recording runs, but a lot of the other folks here should be able to give you some tips (plus there's a whole section of the SDA Knowledge Base with info about recording). As a last recommendation I suggest reading the thread where Runnerguy planned an SS Banjo-Kazooie run, in which it was explained thoroughly how to avoid some of the pitfalls associated with recording.

The aforementioned BK thread: http://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/banjo_kazooie_100_single_segment_speedrun_by_jumpman.html[/quote]

yeah i recorded on vhs and then copy it to dvd because the problem is my dvd recorder doesn´t record wii and gcn games there comes an error message  but the tape can be the issue there[/quote]
Maybe you should get that sorted out before beginning the run...

Exo

2011-07-07 11:16:51 am

Sandbagging

Quote from Ecko65:

yeah i recorded on vhs and then copy it to dvd because the problem is my dvd recorder doesn´t record wii and gcn games there comes an error message but the tape can be the issue there

Seems like your dvd recorder doesn't support ntsc. Buy one that does.

Ecko65

2011-07-07 01:56:33 pm

DK + Mario Kart 8 = <3

Quote from Exo:

Quote from Ecko65:

yeah i recorded on vhs and then copy it to dvd because the problem is my dvd recorder doesn´t record wii and gcn games there comes an error message but the tape can be the issue there

Seems like your dvd recorder doesn't support ntsc. Buy one that does.

no because i can record nes and snes and n64 with this recorder

Exo

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Exo: 2011-07-07 02:14:46 pm

2011-07-07 02:14:37 pm

Sandbagging

Quote from Ecko65:

Quote from Exo:

Quote from Ecko65:

yeah i recorded on vhs and then copy it to dvd because the problem is my dvd recorder doesn´t record wii and gcn games there comes an error message but the tape can be the issue there

Seems like your dvd recorder doesn't support ntsc. Buy one that does.

no because i can record nes and snes and n64 with this recorder

That doesn't make any sense if they all work through composite output and all send ntsc signals.

TLoZSR

2011-07-07 02:38:25 pm

Quote from Exo:

Quote from logitechSDAZ:

Exo, BiTE in 100% uses the same save file you're speedrunning on. Goat herd, get heart piece, save. Load save file, leave Bo's house, go back to goat herding area, LJA over trigger, do BiTE, and load your save file. You never create a new save file. Yes, the time is all counted when leaving Bo's to doing BiTE, etc. It still saves like 01:30 compared to riding back to Kakariko. BiTE is allowed.

Touché. Definitely using it then. Thanks logitech.

Are you taking up 100%?

Exo

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Exo: 2011-07-07 02:52:23 pm

2011-07-07 02:44:58 pm

Sandbagging

Quote from TLoZSR:

Quote from Exo:

Quote from logitechSDAZ:

Exo, BiTE in 100% uses the same save file you're speedrunning on. Goat herd, get heart piece, save. Load save file, leave Bo's house, go back to goat herding area, LJA over trigger, do BiTE, and load your save file. You never create a new save file. Yes, the time is all counted when leaving Bo's to doing BiTE, etc. It still saves like 01:30 compared to riding back to Kakariko. BiTE is allowed.

Touché. Definitely using it then. Thanks logitech.

Are you taking up 100%?

Yes once the damn game gets here I will. Why ?

TLoZSR

2011-07-07 02:59:13 pm

The bounty managed to stir up some interest, but it didn't really seem like anyone was really serious about making a great 100% run

Exo

2011-07-07 03:01:27 pm

Sandbagging

Quote from TLoZSR:

The bounty managed to stir up some interest, but it didn't really seem like anyone was really serious about making a great 100% run

What does that have to do with me though ? xD

TLoZSR

2011-07-07 03:53:37 pm

Quote from Exo:

Quote from TLoZSR:

The bounty managed to stir up some interest, but it didn't really seem like anyone was really serious about making a great 100% run

What does that have to do with me though ? xD

Well, it sounded like you were gonna start a run, just asking to see if you really were. Good luck btw, this is a beast of a run.

Exo

2011-07-07 04:12:27 pm

Sandbagging

Thanks. I'll try my best to make you and Paraxade happy ^^
Really hope the ntsc version gets here soon. Can't wait to start running it Tongue

Flip

2011-07-09 07:38:06 pm

1-Up!

Do to TP 100% what you did to LA!

If I don't get 2+ segments / day I'll assume something is wrong Tongue

Exo

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Exo: 2011-07-10 03:37:31 am

2011-07-10 03:10:50 am

Sandbagging

Quote from Flip:

Do to TP 100% what you did to LA!

If I don't get 2+ segments / day I'll assume something is wrong Tongue

Tell USPS to ship stuff faster then or else you'll have to wait quite a bit for the first segment ^^

Exo

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Exo: 2011-07-18 04:37:42 pm

2011-07-18 04:33:26 pm

Sandbagging

Game finally arrived today.

100% Segment 1 :

P.S.: God I hate goats.

Itsu de Mo

2011-07-18 04:43:13 pm

Arrested for felony abuse of emotes

Damn, Exo. Beat the poor horse, why don't you. Tongue

I hate the goats too, though. <<

Externalist

2011-07-18 06:46:21 pm

Let the Epicness begin!!! Smiley

Paraxade

2011-07-18 07:18:18 pm

Nice segment 1 Exo. Just looking at the video timestamps it looks like 2:09 or 2:10 or so, which is about the same I had for my old 100%. Good luck on the run.

Ecko65

2011-07-19 09:15:01 am

DK + Mario Kart 8 = <3

yes nice segment i hate goats too and the worst is the luck manipulation with the blue rupee