Tomb Raider : A survivor is born

2015-05-19 04:38:09 pm

yeah, the second jump is the hardest part. There is a pretty tall invisible wall and I think it gets taller further to the right, so I try to aim to the left, just right of the protruding pillar. I find it easier if you do a quick scramble-jump there but it's not needed; just make sure you get good air with the second jump and aim at that spot.

I hope that helps.

aimlezz

2015-05-20 05:34:59 am

will definetly try it later today

SamuraiBlue

2015-05-20 02:08:31 pm

Hey guys,
I'm just new in speedrunning and TR2013 is the 1st game I run. All that because of twitch and Brassmaster and PotatoHandle's videos.^^
I'm glad to see that (at least) one forum about this game is still alive !
I'd like to know, does anyone here run it on xbox360 ? Or french/german version ? Because I have difficulties skywalking over the bridge just after Grim skip, the walkie-talkie dialogue seems shorter in fr/ger (you can hear additionnal interference in english version). Just to be sure it's not just me.
Do you know if there's any new time savings on 360 compared to Brassmaster WR ?
By the way, I'll try that last skip you posted Vampstreak, seems fun to get it at 30fps.

aimlezz

2015-05-20 02:55:34 pm

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Hey guys,
I'm just new in speedrunning and TR2013 is the 1st game I run. All that because of twitch and Brassmaster and PotatoHandle's videos.^^
I'm glad to see that (at least) one forum about this game is still alive !

hey samurai, nice to hear there are still new people coming here, i too was really glad that there was at least one active forum Cheesy

now to your questions:

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I'd like to know, does anyone here run it on xbox360 ?

As far as I know, Zydin is the only here activ x360 runner.

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Or french/german version ?

If i remember correctly, either Vampstreak or Pewable are running the game in french maybe even both, so they can probably tell you more about that.
German version -> I dont know about any german runners here except me, and i run the game in english.

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Because I have difficulties skywalking over the bridge just after Grim skip, the walkie-talkie dialogue seems shorter in fr/ger (you can hear additionnal interference in english version). Just to be sure it's not just me.

I think you mean Dirty tricks slide and not skywalking. DT slides are used to speed up wt sequences, so i think thats what you mean.
Anyway, the fewer statics shouldnt matter too much since the moment you need to do the dirty trick is the moment where Lara starts talking regardless of when it comes in the conversation.

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Do you know if there's any new time savings on 360 compared to Brassmaster WR ?

Well, I dont know the exact route he used, but i'm pretty sure he hasn't used Lara Skywalker, and maybe he also didnt use bridge skip and teleport skip.

Hope that answers your questions

[quote] Hey guys,
I'm just new in speedrunning and TR2013 is the 1st game I run. All that because of twitch and Brassmaster and PotatoHandle's videos.^^
I'm glad to see that (at least) one forum about this game is still alive ! [/quote]

hey samurai, nice to hear there are still new people coming here, i too was really glad that there was at least one active forum :D

now to your questions:

[quote]
I'd like to know, does anyone here run it on xbox360 ? [/quote] 
As far as I know, Zydin is the only here activ x360 runner.

[quote]Or french/german version ? [/quote]
If i remember correctly, either Vampstreak or Pewable are running the game in french maybe even both, so they can probably tell you more about that. 
German version -> I dont know about any german runners here except me, and i run the game in english.

[quote]Because I have difficulties skywalking over the bridge just after Grim skip, the walkie-talkie dialogue seems shorter in fr/ger (you can hear additionnal interference in english version). Just to be sure it's not just me.
[/quote]
I think you mean Dirty tricks slide and not skywalking. DT slides are used to speed up wt sequences, so i think thats what you mean.
Anyway, the fewer statics shouldnt matter too much since the moment you need to do the dirty trick is the moment where Lara starts talking regardless of when it comes in the conversation.

[quote]
Do you know if there's any new time savings on 360 compared to Brassmaster WR ? [/quote]
Well, I dont know the exact route he used, but i'm pretty sure he hasn't used Lara Skywalker, and maybe he also didnt use bridge skip and teleport skip.

Hope that answers your questions

Zydin

2015-05-20 07:05:49 pm

Quote from SamuraiBlue:

Hey guys,
I'm just new in speedrunning and TR2013 is the 1st game I run. All that because of twitch and Brassmaster and PotatoHandle's videos.^^
I'm glad to see that (at least) one forum about this game is still alive !
I'd like to know, does anyone here run it on xbox360 ? Or french/german version ? Because I have difficulties skywalking over the bridge just after Grim skip, the walkie-talkie dialogue seems shorter in fr/ger (you can hear additionnal interference in english version). Just to be sure it's not just me.
Do you know if there's any new time savings on 360 compared to Brassmaster WR ?
By the way, I'll try that last skip you posted Vampstreak, seems fun to get it at 30fps.

Hey Samurai, welcome!

Aimlezz is correct, I do run this game on 360, and Brass and Spud are still fairly up to date on the run that we use minus Lara Skywalker (fairly new for 360). If I'm thinking of the correct walkie talkie dialogue (The one where he says a helicopter is inbound) and you are attempting to float over the gap to skip the second walkie-talkie part, it's actually pretty hard to get on the lower framerate of 360 (30fps) because she doesn't slide off the bridge as quickly. You have to have a very precise angle to get her off with enough time to make it across otherwise she'll simply die. The best thing to do is watch vids and drill that skip repeatedly so that you know the angle and the timing of when you've gotten the skip and when is too late so you can just back off and avoid a death.

[quote="SamuraiBlue"]Hey guys,
I'm just new in speedrunning and TR2013 is the 1st game I run. All that because of twitch and Brassmaster and PotatoHandle's videos.^^
I'm glad to see that (at least) one forum about this game is still alive !
I'd like to know, does anyone here run it on xbox360 ? Or french/german version ? Because I have difficulties skywalking over the bridge just after Grim skip, the walkie-talkie dialogue seems shorter in fr/ger (you can hear additionnal interference in english version). Just to be sure it's not just me.
Do you know if there's any new time savings on 360 compared to Brassmaster WR ? 
By the way, I'll try that last skip you posted Vampstreak, seems fun to get it at 30fps.
[/quote]

Hey Samurai, welcome!

Aimlezz is correct, I do run this game on 360, and Brass and Spud are still fairly up to date on the run that we use minus Lara Skywalker (fairly new for 360). If I'm thinking of the correct walkie talkie dialogue (The one where he says a helicopter is inbound) and you are attempting to float over the gap to skip the second walkie-talkie part, it's actually pretty hard to get on the lower framerate of 360 (30fps) because she doesn't slide off the bridge as quickly. You have to have a very precise angle to get her off with enough time to make it across otherwise she'll simply die. The best thing to do is watch vids and drill that skip repeatedly so that you know the angle and the timing of when you've gotten the skip and when is too late so you can just back off and avoid a death.

SamuraiBlue

2015-05-20 08:49:59 pm

Well, thank you Aimlezz and Zydin for your quick answers !
Yeah you both right, that's what I meant, that trick that allows you to walk over the gap of the broken bridge and to skip a 2nd wt dialogue. The problem is that the french 1st wt dialogue is shorter than english by a few sec ( there's no radio *ssshhhhhhhhhhh* interference part) so that I can't get the rocks the otherside in time, and of course Lara falls. I watched so many vids, tried so many times that getting out of the bridge is not really a problem now. Hope Pewable could help me on that.
Zydin, it's good to see another 360 TR runner, how long have you been running this game for ? What is your PB ? A few days ago, my 1st attempt resulted by an encouraging 2h19. As I said I'm a beginner so I'm not awesome yet but if I can be any help, don't hesitate.
For example, friendship skip is not that hard to me (compared to Alex skip which got me mad sometimes !).

Zydin

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Zydin: 2015-05-20 09:17:51 pm

2015-05-20 09:16:54 pm

Hmm...difficult to say. I suppose I've been 'running' this game since it first came out, but I didn't find the SDA community till some time later. My official PB is still 2h5m, but that's very outdated. I haven't actually done a timed full run through of this game in a long time so I personally think I have completed the game sub 2 hrs but I can't be sure. 2h19m is good for your first attempt. Mine was around there when I first started timing myself as well.

Don't worry about Alex skip too much. My current route uses Lara Skywalker which skips having to go to the Endurance entirely. When I actually post a video of it I'm hoping you'll be able to learn it as well as the other 360 guys so we can all get faster times.

Good job with Friendship skip. That's where all my runs die because I can't do that trick consistently. It's one of the more difficult ones. I'll watch your setup and see if I can't get something a little more consistent going.

SamuraiBlue

2015-05-21 05:41:08 am

Wait, you skip Endurance on 360 ? I'm really eager to see that on video and learn it ! I just can't stick that Alex guy any longer haha.
I have to improve my research base fight skip too, this is the most tricky glitch to me, I can lose 5 min on that... Need a better setup...

Do you guys submit your runs to speedrun.com ? Because the ranking there is so empty and outdated, that's sad.

Ewil

2015-05-21 07:55:28 am

I would like to sort the TR 2013 page on speedrun.com, but unfortunately I know nothing about speedrunning this game and other mods don't really care. I'd be willing to grant mod rights to someone from here that wants to take care of it.

aimlezz

2015-05-21 12:54:22 pm

Quote from SamuraiBlue:

I have to improve my research base fight skip too, this is the most tricky glitch to me, I can lose 5 min on that... Need a better setup...

this video really helped me improving on my technique

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Do you guys submit your runs to speedrun.com ? Because the ranking there is so empty and outdated, that's sad.

I've submitted a run there a week back or so, but i think noone of the mods are still activ :/

Vampstreak

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Vampstreak: 2015-05-21 02:39:48 pm

2015-05-21 02:25:25 pm

^Thanks for that video. I've never officially learned that technique; I think it's time I start using it.

@Ewil and SamuraiBlue, Yeah, I have runs I'd like to submit but it doesn't look like the mods keep it up to date. I'd be willing to take care of that stuff, though, I don't really know how.

Also, Welcome, SamuraiBlue! It's always nice to see new people run this game. To answer one of your questions; I believe Artisitic mentioned that running the game with French VO saves somewhere around 1-4 seconds. I can't really remember, but it's little.

...Also, this is a thing--probably saves no time, just looks cool to do. It's a third route from the cut-scene skip thing.

MoXxi

2015-05-21 04:13:30 pm

@SamuraiBlue
At first I was learning skips on the french version. And I remember that I simply couldn't do the DT you mentioned (over the bridge gap). And it was definitely because of the dialogue length, which is indeed shorter in french than in english.

SamuraiBlue

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SamuraiBlue: 2015-05-21 08:22:12 pm

2015-05-21 08:16:49 pm

@Aimlezz
Thanks for the video, I already watched it but I can't do the trick with static Lara technique. But it's ok, I've practiced it for a while today I got a not-that-bad setup, will try it in run.

@Vampstreak
Hey, it would be nice that you could moderate the TR2013 section on speedrun.com, Ewil seems ok to give mods power to someone motivated.
Apart from that, I tried your last glitch... gosh, it's quite impossible on 360, I got stuck behind the pieces of wood down below every time.
I saw you streaming a couple of times. I wasn't familiar with PC version but it's almost a different game !

@MoXxi
Yes ! Thank you, finally I was right about that. I wasn't sure so I did some tests and this also confirms what you say.

I can get a bit further by doing the glitch correctly but it's impossible to reach the rocks.

@all
Does anyone know how to do this on purpose ? I've retried many times unsuccessfully.

@Aimlezz
Thanks for the video, I already watched it but I can't do the trick with static Lara technique. But it's ok, I've practiced it for a while today I got a not-that-bad setup, will try it in run.

@Vampstreak
Hey, it would be nice that you could moderate the TR2013 section on speedrun.com, Ewil seems ok to give mods power to someone motivated.
Apart from that, I tried your last glitch... gosh, it's quite impossible on 360, I got stuck behind the pieces of wood down below every time.
I saw you streaming a couple of times. I wasn't familiar with PC version but it's almost a different game !

@MoXxi
Yes ! Thank you, finally I was right about that. I wasn't sure so I did some tests and this also confirms what you say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ajFu0rvtOE
I can get a bit further by doing the glitch correctly but it's impossible to reach the rocks.

@all
Does anyone know how to do this on purpose ? I've retried many times unsuccessfully.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HDOvJ7Nb0w

Zydin

2015-05-21 10:34:08 pm

We call that the spud slide, and no. Nobody knows how it works.

MoXxi

2015-05-22 04:43:48 am

Hey guys!

I just found another way to skip the bunker pipes. The setup isn't the best yet, but if done correctly it can save 25 seconds.

Zydin

2015-05-22 05:56:26 am

I've noticed in recent testing that you can pretty much do this on any blue barrel. Much like the step up clipping we should probably search around for other glitch possibilities.

Ewil

2015-05-22 06:34:56 am

aimlezz: I haven't seen any run from you on speedrun.com and I check that site every day. Unfortunately mods can't see a new run if it was accepted or rejected by other mod, so it's possible someone rejected it.

Best if you submit it again. Don't worry about no activity, as long as I'm a mod, the TR community on speedrun.com will be active. I've been doing this on tombrunner.net for past 8 years and I don't plan to stop.

As for the giving mod rights, tell me whom should I give it to and I'll gladly do it. It definitely needs some love.

aimlezz

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aimlezz: 2015-05-22 07:36:30 am

2015-05-22 07:35:05 am

Quote from Ewil:

aimlezz: I haven't seen any run from you on speedrun.com and I check that site every day. Unfortunately mods can't see a new run if it was accepted or rejected by other mod, so it's possible someone rejected it.

Best if you submit it again. Don't worry about no activity, as long as I'm a mod, the TR community on speedrun.com will be active. I've been doing this on tombrunner.net for past 8 years and I don't plan to stop.

As for the giving mod rights, tell me whom should I give it to and I'll gladly do it. It definitely needs some love.

really really strange, since i didnt even get a notification, but my runs counter is 1 :O But if you say it mustve got lost i'll reenter it ;-)
And yeah, i would also be up for helping this community, just tell me what i have to do Cheesy

edit: My run got verified :))) and now its online Tongue

edit 2: ewil xDDD You verified my run Cheesy

Why couldnt you see it then? Cheesy

edit 3: and i blew it again xDD I just wanted to note the 1500ms delay between timer and gameplay, but apparently it now needs to be accepted again.

[quote="Ewil"]aimlezz: I haven't seen any run from you on speedrun.com and I check that site every day. Unfortunately mods can't see a new run if it was accepted or rejected by other mod, so it's possible someone rejected it.

Best if you submit it again. Don't worry about no activity, as long as I'm a mod, the TR community on speedrun.com will be active. I've been doing this on tombrunner.net for past 8 years and I don't plan to stop.

As for the giving mod rights, tell me whom should I give it to and I'll gladly do it. It definitely needs some love.[/quote]
really really strange, since i didnt even get a notification, but my runs counter is 1 :O But if you say it mustve got lost i'll reenter it ;-)
And yeah, i would also be up for helping this community, just tell me what i have to do :D

edit: My run got verified :))) and now its online :P
edit 2: ewil xDDD You verified my run :D Why couldnt you see it then? :D
edit 3: and i blew it again xDD I just wanted to note the 1500ms delay between timer and gameplay, but apparently it now needs to be accepted again.

Ewil

2015-05-22 08:49:39 am

Yeah, whenever you edit your run, it has to be accepted again. I did that now (it was previously accepted by other mod, not me). I could give you mod status if you think you have enough knowledge about this game and you wish to improve the page - write a guide, give it a theme, sort out categories, etc.

aimlezz

2015-05-22 09:05:39 am

Quote from Ewil:

Yeah, whenever you edit your run, it has to be accepted again. I did that now (it was previously accepted by other mod, not me). I could give you mod status if you think you have enough knowledge about this game and you wish to improve the page - write a guide, give it a theme, sort out categories, etc.

thx man, didnt know that it had to be reaccepted ;-)
Well, what would you define as enough knowledge? I know pretty much every skip / glitch / sequence break. I know what Categories are run (i.e. pistol / bow only, 100%, any %) and i guess i could write guides ;-) But you can send me a pm so we dont have to discuss this here Cheesy

aimlezz

2015-05-22 09:57:32 am

Quote from MoXxi:

Hey guys!

I just found another way to skip the bunker pipes. The setup isn't the best yet, but if done correctly it can save 25 seconds.

say, could you try that on 60 fps Cheesy

I cannot for the life of me get this to work

Ewil

2015-05-22 11:46:45 am

Quote from aimlezz:

Quote from Ewil:

Yeah, whenever you edit your run, it has to be accepted again. I did that now (it was previously accepted by other mod, not me). I could give you mod status if you think you have enough knowledge about this game and you wish to improve the page - write a guide, give it a theme, sort out categories, etc.

thx man, didnt know that it had to be reaccepted ;-)
Well, what would you define as enough knowledge? I know pretty much every skip / glitch / sequence break. I know what Categories are run (i.e. pistol / bow only, 100%, any %) and i guess i could write guides ;-) But you can send me a pm so we dont have to discuss this here Cheesy

No need to, you're a mod from now on.

MoXxi

2015-05-22 12:00:07 pm

@aimlezz

I just tried it at 60 fps. Sadly it seems pretty much impossible to do (at least this way) :/

aimlezz

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aimlezz: 2015-05-22 12:47:39 pm

2015-05-22 12:31:43 pm

Quote from Ewil:

Quote from aimlezz:

Quote from Ewil:

Yeah, whenever you edit your run, it has to be accepted again. I did that now (it was previously accepted by other mod, not me). I could give you mod status if you think you have enough knowledge about this game and you wish to improve the page - write a guide, give it a theme, sort out categories, etc.

thx man, didnt know that it had to be reaccepted ;-)
Well, what would you define as enough knowledge? I know pretty much every skip / glitch / sequence break. I know what Categories are run (i.e. pistol / bow only, 100%, any %) and i guess i could write guides ;-) But you can send me a pm so we dont have to discuss this here Cheesy

No need to, you're a mod from now on.

Tha-hank you Cheesy

I wont disappoint Tongue

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@aimlezz

I just tried it at 60 fps. Sadly it seems pretty much impossible to do (at least this way) :/

thats what i thought ;-) I could -however- get the other setup posted by vamp to work Smiley

But damn, this looks so nice and easy and it definetly saves time -.-

Edit: Okay, since i now am a mod on speedrun.com for TR (insert evil laugh here), it would be really awesome if everyone who's interested could help a little getting this thing more
up to date.
How?
- Pm me with your favorite categories of this game and i will add them.
- Post your PB - especially looking at Artistic and maybe someone can contact brass. I will watch the runs and then verify them, so the leaderbords can be a little more up to date
- I will start a forum post (on speedrun.com) in the coming days, which will have a list of all styling options. Then everyone can add their ideas and we can chose what we all like best.
Including some pictures, colors (sorry brits) and whatnots ;-)
If I forgot something, just shoot Cheesy

[quote="Ewil"][quote="aimlezz"][quote="Ewil"]Yeah, whenever you edit your run, it has to be accepted again. I did that now (it was previously accepted by other mod, not me). I could give you mod status if you think you have enough knowledge about this game and you wish to improve the page - write a guide, give it a theme, sort out categories, etc.[/quote]
thx man, didnt know that it had to be reaccepted ;-) 
Well, what would you define as enough knowledge? I know pretty much every skip / glitch / sequence break. I know what Categories are run (i.e. pistol / bow only, 100%, any %) and i guess i could write guides ;-) But you can send me a pm so we dont have to discuss this here :D 
[/quote]

No need to, you're a mod from now on.[/quote]
Tha-hank you :D I wont disappoint :P

[quote="MoXxi"]@aimlezz

I just tried it at 60 fps. Sadly it seems pretty much impossible to do (at least this way) :/[/quote]

thats what i thought ;-) I could -however- get the other setup posted by vamp to work :) But damn, this looks so nice and easy and it definetly saves time -.-

Edit: Okay, since i now am a mod on speedrun.com for TR (insert evil laugh here), it would be really awesome if everyone who's interested could help a little getting this thing more
up to date. 
How?
- Pm me with your favorite categories of this game and i will add them. 
- Post your PB - especially looking at Artistic and maybe someone can contact brass. I will watch the runs and then verify them, so the leaderbords can be a little more up to date
- I will start a forum post (on speedrun.com) in the coming days, which will have a list of all styling options. Then everyone can add their ideas and we can chose what we all like best. 
Including some pictures, colors (sorry brits) and whatnots ;-) 
If I forgot something, just shoot :D

Vampstreak

2015-05-22 02:25:30 pm

Quote from MoXxi:

Hey guys!

I just found another way to skip the bunker pipes. The setup isn't the best yet, but if done correctly it can save 25 seconds.

Wow, that is so easy to do. Good Job, Moxxi!