The Nicovideo/Nicolive Index

2010-02-13 06:04:22 pm

Glitching EB 1 flying man at a time

No, in the IWBTG run, he actually does skip all of that himself. None of that seems pasted together at all. That's why he saves in a lot of places, in case he doesn't pull off some of those major skips.

Edit: And for the record, I've never played IWBTG. Just watched a couple of Lpers years ago do this game :p.

VorpalEdge

2010-02-13 08:07:01 pm

welcome to the machine

RTA of "Shin Megami Tensei if..." in 2:25:50 (partner: charlie) (as if anyone's ever heard of this game before, let alone played it)

Demon's Souls TA in 1:24 (mage)

Josh the Funkdoc

2010-02-14 12:12:05 am

spread the dirt to the populace

UPDATE: Edited OP with all the videos mentioned thus far in this thread, gave Castlevania its own directory, and added Unlimited SaGa in 1:22! Also clarified what RTAs are and made sure to mention that a lot of them use emulators/autofire. Thanks a lot, guys. =)

Quote from Essentia:

I just want to point out that RTA's aren't necessarily single-segment. As I understand it, in an RTA you're allowed to save and reset, but the time it takes to do that is still counted. Also, I think RTA's use real time instead of game time (hence the name).

BTW, is there a link to that 4:48 FFVI run?

Thank you very much, and as mentioned the OP has been edited to mention this.

As for the FF6 run, I watched a bit of it and found out it was segmented. That doesn't seem like that great of a time, but if you're still interested then I can add it in there!

spacoina

2010-02-14 11:48:58 am

Sorry about this being off-topic, but I just wanted to say that

Quote from ZenicReverie:

Quote from MegaDestructor9:

Why did Seth Glass's Mega Man 2 runs get taken down? Huh?

His runs were a great asset to the site. Sorry if this is inappropriate discussion. Maybe other people are wondering also.

He probably asked for them to be taken down.

at least the glitched run is still available for download at SuperPlay! and can be found here. I do remember seeing the non-glitched run somewhere at youtube, does anyone know if it is still up? If so, where? I don't remember the address of Seth Glass' yt channel.

MASTER-88

2010-02-14 01:36:50 pm

Master-88

Also i wonder what are happen Seth glass Megaman 2 runs. Is there picked up some cheats, because these ones are disappeared?

Why these both runs are taking down? Ureta is back. Just weird. Huh?

ZenicReverie

2010-02-14 04:31:29 pm

Waiting hurts my soul...

Quote from MASTER-88:

Also i wonder what are happen Seth glass Megaman 2 runs. Is there picked up some cheats, because these ones are disappeared?

Why these both runs are taking down? Ureta is back. Just weird. Huh?

Last I heard, Seth Glass learned that his runs could be beaten with different strategies and asked for them to be removed. Why people do that is beyond me.

Satoryu

2010-02-14 10:00:52 pm

Visually Appealing

The Order of Ecclesia run is icky. Picks up way too many unnecessary items. Visits the shop too much. Never uses the Tower Ring. Never gets a Blow Ring, Wind Ring, Rapidus Fio, or Nitesco. I quit watching at the Eligor fight because it's fucking terrible.

What I will give the runner credit for, though, is creative use of the first Dominus spell. Using it in Somnus Reef to get rid of the starfish is a good idea. And he bitched Albus with it.

spiralout1123211

2010-02-14 10:13:56 pm

Quote from ZenicReverie:

Quote from MASTER-88:

Also i wonder what are happen Seth glass Megaman 2 runs. Is there picked up some cheats, because these ones are disappeared?

Why these both runs are taking down? Ureta is back. Just weird. Huh?

Last I heard, Seth Glass learned that his runs could be beaten with different strategies and asked for them to be removed. Why people do that is beyond me.

Logic fail. So we just end up with the even older and more outdated run. It's not like Seth's runs weren't awesome. Undecided

ZenicReverie

2010-02-14 10:25:16 pm

Waiting hurts my soul...

Quote from Satoryu:

The Order of Ecclesia run is icky. Picks up way too many unnecessary items. Visits the shop too much. Never uses the Tower Ring. Never gets a Blow Ring, Wind Ring, Rapidus Fio, or Nitesco. I quit watching at the Eligor fight because it's fucking terrible.

What I will give the runner credit for, though, is creative use of the first Dominus spell. Using it in Somnus Reef to get rid of the starfish is a good idea. And he bitched Albus with it.

moral of the story, even in the most cringe worthy runs, you may find gems?

Serris

2010-02-15 06:32:21 am

Quote from Satoryu:

The Order of Ecclesia run is icky. Picks up way too many unnecessary items. Visits the shop too much. Never uses the Tower Ring. Never gets a Blow Ring, Wind Ring, Rapidus Fio, or Nitesco. I quit watching at the Eligor fight because it's fucking terrible.

What I will give the runner credit for, though, is creative use of the first Dominus spell. Using it in Somnus Reef to get rid of the starfish is a good idea. And he bitched Albus with it.

I thought it was done in a single session, so luck manipulation is not an option. His SS tactics were interesting to see, the game just doesn't lend itself very well to NG SS, there's just too much luck involved and too many ways to screw up, not to mention OoE isn't exactly exciting to watch for the most part since you spend so much time running around with barely any abilities.

Satoryu

2010-02-15 02:26:23 pm

Visually Appealing

I can understand the luck manipulation. But no Nitseco Sword combo on the later bosses? Dispicable.

Tiki

2010-02-15 04:06:01 pm

I don't even know what the fuck this is

I brought this up in IRC a couple days ago, but I'm not sure some of the Mega Man stuff is legit. Most of it seems like really smooth play, but there is some luck involved in some of the runs that is just ridiculous. I remember finding some shit wrong with MM3 and MM6 a few months ago but I'd have to go back and look again... AFAIK MM3 seems the most legit though. I watched Mega Man X2 and it seems pretty legitimate except for the Magna Centipede fight, where the dude fights him with the buster and basically gets the best luck possible. There is no way in hell anyone at SDA could replicate that luck, I don't think. I have NEVER had that friendly of a pattern. And yeah, that's pretty much enough to make the whole run illegitimate in my eyes. But maybe I am just a noob.

Josh the Funkdoc

Edit history:

Josh the Funkdoc: 2010-02-15 10:00:36 pm

2010-02-15 09:51:46 pm

spread the dirt to the populace

I'm pretty sure that's legit. There's a Japanese player on ustream (nou1) who practices Megaman 2, and he pulls it off regularly. His runs are definitely in real time, because there's plenty of failing and restarting. =P

EDIT: To add a bit of context...Megaman 2 is a huge, huge game in Japan, even more so than here, and it has more competition for speedrunning than even Mario/Metroid/Zelda do on SDA. Given that, it shouldn't be surprising to see people landing those precise tricks in real time.

Bablo

2010-02-16 11:54:18 am

I'm a flippin' ninja

Quote from MegaDestructor9:

One thing that makes me question the legitimacy of the Mega Man 2 run in 28:38 was how fast he was jumping off item-3 in crash man's level. That looked like TAS, but I can't be sure. Maybe there's a certain button input, the TAS people would know if it's possible in real time.

It's done by pressing A and B at the same time in correct height on ladder. I haven't ever thought of trying this but it may be practical in real-time. Definitely possible, but might be risky.

Josh the Funkdoc

2010-02-16 09:15:29 pm

spread the dirt to the populace

Hey, I have a question...

Can any of you find out what program the Japanese players use to display the timer on their runs? That would be a pretty cool thing for us to start doing on our streams, even if it is probably for PC games/emulators only.

0xwas

2010-02-16 09:29:21 pm

yuri 4 life

Super Mario 64 120 Stars in 1:59:19
http://dic.nicovideo.jp/v/sm9698134

It says he played on emulator, but he seems to play on console someday.

>Josh the Funkdoc
Most of all Japanese RTA players downloaded from http://www27.atwiki.jp/timeattack/pages/13.html (Japanese site), I guess.
StopWatch, SWfTA and BKST are the timer.

andrewg

2010-02-19 10:59:47 pm

Hi! I'm andrewg!

Quote from Josh the Funkdoc:

Super Mario Bros. 2 JPN (Lost Levels)
8:15 w/ Mario

So I watched this video the day you posted it. I got a bit frustrated by how large of an improvement it was over my own run...
So I decided to improve myself a lot more. My current best time is now 8:15 with Mario. Wink

Frezy_man

2010-02-22 03:45:26 am

bläää

Great Videos, thanks for this thread.

How can you watch a video in full-screen from this site?
I just decided to drop a couple of comments for a few runs. I you don't want spoilers then don't read this..I am looking forward to watch some of the other runs too Smiley

Super Mario Bros. 3
"No whistles" run in 58:16

interesting run. I am working on this categories myself and It looks like he get every basic time saver that I know about. he doesn't use wall zips at all. It is a bunch of levels were he could get P-speed a lot more and he got hit a couple of times. And because it is the Japanese version he got small instead of just loosing his Fire-flower-suit. Mostly I think this run is optimized. I think his use of P-wings and clouds looks good.
If any one knows a great trick that he doesn't use that I don't know about I would be thankful Smiley

He is not taken by any hand level. Even so I think the run can be improved with at least 2-3 Minutes.

Mega Man X2 in 34:17
*He got Wire sponge before his lighting attack
*Wheel gator before he dives
*He uses another route then my speedrun. He takes Magna Centipede early facing him with the Buster. A route that is supposed to go faster if you pull off a great fight and get enough luck. Looks like Maximum luck or something and I can't tell how lucky this is but Tiki says it's ridicolous.
*Use of rapid fire I think.
*A lots of nice wire tricks. I know a lots of them is really hard to pull off.
*There is almost no lag. Real SNES version lags a lot so many of the charged wire tricks is useless on the SNES version. Using wire along the last shaft before bubble crab is a good example.
*No Elevator Skip in Sigma level 2. Looks like he tried to reach the elevator without stop and wait for the platform like I do for 5 seconds in my speedrun. Eventually he have figured out how to reach it that way.
*He got three double hit with Charged sonic slicers on Serges. I would concider this one of the highlights of the run. This strategy is possible to pull off but very very hard.
*I don't know what his strategy is for The refight of Wheel gator. It looks really strange. And wheel gator is random and did appear the second time at as I can tell, a rare moment when the player simply took him down with a shoryuken. I can't tell if this strategy should work or not in a Single Segment run.
*Wire Sponge is another strategy I consider stupid for an SS run. Running just infront of him like that there is at least a 1/3 chance that Wire Sponge Shot makes his wire forward or start spinning it in front of him. Off course the runner got the most luck possible.
* Amazing Zero fight. I never thought of this strategy and it looks like if it works. Very interesting, have to try it out sometime.

This run of X2 was some serious stuff, except for the part when he tried to catch up to the elevator this run is what I thought was optimal and as fast as it can be played. I knew that sub 35 is possible on a SNES. This run skips a lots of lag. It's included a lots of weird and a bit risky usage of the wire. But its a lot entertaining. I am not sure that all the tricks really is possible for an SS. I guess it is. If this would have been a legit run posted at SDA I think I would have called this one the best run of the site... And the most lucky Tongue

Super Mario World
Any% run in 10:57.5
Cool to see the cape strategy against Bowser.
Interesting to see this run side by side with Lucid Faia's speedrun.
http://dic.nicovideo.jp/v/sm9045850

Mega Man 2 in 28:38
This is some serious stuff. 28:38 - Difficult. This one rocks!
These glitches. Is it another cathegory? (OOB Glitches)

Mega Man 3 in 36:39
* New route. Starting out with Magnet Man, wtf? Tongue

* Isn't Needle man so random that shoot him from distance is normally a stupid move? The same goes for using Gemini laser for Quick man. If you miss one shot you are dead.
* He Does not skip the Brake Man animation at Gemini mans
* Wiley's Castle 1 was interesting.
* He is one shot short of killing Yellow devil in one round and costs him 17 Seconds or so.

Great Videos, thanks for this thread.

How can you watch a video in full-screen from this site?
I just decided to drop a couple of comments for a few runs. I you don't want spoilers then don't read this..I am looking forward to watch some of the other runs too :)

[b]Super Mario Bros. 3
"No whistles" run in 58:16[/b]

interesting run. I am working on this categories myself and It looks like he get every basic time saver that I know about. he doesn't use wall zips at all. It is a bunch of levels were he could get P-speed a lot more and he got hit a couple of times. And because it is the Japanese version he got small instead of just loosing his Fire-flower-suit. Mostly I think this run is optimized. I think his use of P-wings and clouds looks good.
If any one knows a great trick that he doesn't use that I don't know about I would be thankful :)
He is not taken by any hand level. Even so I think the run can be improved with at least 2-3 Minutes.

[b]Mega Man X2 in 34:17 [/b]
*He got Wire sponge before his lighting attack
*Wheel gator before he dives
*He uses another route then my speedrun. He takes Magna Centipede early facing him with the Buster. A route that is supposed to go faster if you pull off a great fight and get enough luck. Looks like Maximum luck or something and I can't tell how lucky this is but Tiki says it's ridicolous.
*Use of rapid fire I think.
*A lots of nice wire tricks. I know a lots of them is really hard to pull off.
*There is almost no lag. Real SNES version lags a lot so many of the charged wire tricks is useless on the SNES version. Using wire along the last shaft before bubble crab is a good example.
*No Elevator Skip in Sigma level 2. Looks like he tried to reach the elevator without stop and wait for the platform like I do for 5 seconds in my speedrun. Eventually he have figured out how to reach it that way.
*He got three double hit with Charged sonic slicers on Serges. I would concider this one of the highlights of the run. This strategy is possible to pull off but very very hard.
*I don't know what his strategy is for The refight of Wheel gator. It looks really strange. And wheel gator is random and did appear the second time at as I can tell, a rare moment when the player simply took him down with a shoryuken. I can't tell if this strategy should work or not in a Single Segment run.
*Wire Sponge is another strategy I consider stupid for an SS run. Running just infront of him like that there is at least a 1/3 chance that Wire Sponge Shot makes his wire forward or start spinning it in front of him. Off course the runner got the most luck possible.
* Amazing Zero fight. I never thought of this strategy and it looks like if it works. Very interesting, have to try it out sometime.

This run of X2 was some serious stuff, except for the part when he tried to catch up to the elevator this run is what I thought was optimal and as fast as it can be played. I knew that sub 35 is possible on a SNES. This run skips a lots of lag. It's included a lots of weird and a bit risky usage of the wire. But its a lot entertaining. I am not sure that all the tricks really is possible for an SS. I guess it is. If this would have been a legit run posted at SDA I think I would have called this one the best run of the site... And the most lucky :P

[b]
Super Mario World
Any% run in 10:57.5[/b]
Cool to see the cape strategy against Bowser. 
Interesting to see this run side by side with Lucid Faia's speedrun.
http://dic.nicovideo.jp/v/sm9045850

[b]Mega Man 2 in 28:38[/b]
This is some serious stuff. 28:38 - Difficult. This one rocks!
These glitches. Is it another cathegory? (OOB Glitches)

[b]Mega Man 3 in 36:39[/b]
* New route. Starting out with Magnet Man, wtf? :P
* Isn't Needle man so random that shoot him from distance is normally a stupid move? The same goes for using Gemini laser for Quick man. If you miss one shot you are dead.
* He Does not skip the Brake Man animation at Gemini mans
* Wiley's Castle 1 was interesting.
* He is one shot short of killing Yellow devil in one round and costs him 17 Seconds or so.

Bablo

2010-02-24 12:27:44 pm

I'm a flippin' ninja

Has anyone seen the Final Fantasy I run? Holy shit, it's fucking awesome. I repeat, it's fucking awesome.

It's fucking awesome.

MASTER-88

Edit history:

MASTER-88: 2010-02-24 01:11:01 pm

2010-02-24 12:33:31 pm

Master-88

Quote from Bablo:

Has anyone seen the Final Fantasy I run? Holy shit, it's fucking awesome. I repeat, it's fucking awesome.

It's fucking awesome.

Its might be TAS like many runs in this site.

I just can,t believe all runs here, many impossible things on console like SM 64 runs. Maybe cheated runs or toolassist runs. We can,t know it.

EDIT
Im not are played Final fantasy. But Final fantasy 1 TAS run is 1h 10 and this look run in nicole video is so much slower. Over twice longer than TAS. Its not seem very optimize. But i just not are played that game so i can,t know which make TAS run so much faster.

0xwas

2010-02-24 02:47:42 pm

yuri 4 life

Quote from MASTER-88:

I just can,t believe all runs here, many impossible things on console like SM 64 runs. Maybe cheated runs or toolassist runs. We can,t know it.

IIRC, These SM64 runs except 70 stars are played on emulator.
But I can say these runs are non-toolassisted and non-cheated. Because these was streaming on this site while recording and I watched.

pojr

2010-02-24 07:50:59 pm

This impressive. Most of the runs beat the ones submitted here. I guess we need to teach them a lesson by improving the speedruns here.

spook

2010-02-24 08:41:24 pm

Yes, a ninja riding a tiger.

Quote from Frezy_man:

Mega Man 3 in 36:39
* New route. Starting out with Magnet Man, wtf? Tongue

haha I've been guilty of this since I was a young lad. Can't help it!

MASTER-88

2010-02-26 11:58:05 am

Master-88

I watched out SM 64 70 star run. This run was awesome and yeah quality told me its done using real console.

There was two bad mistake

1: Death in tick tock clock cost 8 seconds
2: Air ship star in rainbow ride suck.

But otherwise this run went nearly perfect.

0-Star run not look good, because quality suck too much i just cannot watch it. Is there any versio difference between US or JPN versio? I just wonder why nobody in SDA never managed make 0-1 star run. I just can,t believe japanesse players are better. Is there autofire used or is glitches in JPN versio easier? I remember TAS told 0 star is frame perfected make and its hard even used TAS.

ZenicReverie

2010-02-26 12:00:03 pm

Waiting hurts my soul...

I found a good ending run for Solomon's Key: http://dic.nicovideo.jp/v/sm1091455
I don't know enough Japanese to figure out why it's not listed as an RTA, but it's probably because he doesn't have a timer running in the corner or something.