The future of European Speedster Assembly [locked]

2014-12-02 11:56:45 am

Dixie Kong Fan Club

Quote from KVD:

Oh, this is obviously true, but I still feel they should have left it out, it has no style. In my eyes, the case presented by the ESA group isn't helped by throwing this quite personal attack in there (contrarily, it makes it feel a bit vendetta-esque), while there are plenty of other points in there that do.

I disagree, the way it was worded was about as tasteful as it could be. Never once was it referred to as "trashing a toilet", and in fact that's really not the main concern. Not only was the action committed, but he avoided responsibility for the action until confronted. That IS information I want to know if I'm evaluating a situation. I could not care less that he got heavily intoxicated, I do care if he can't own up to actions that not only hurt the attendees, but presumably damaged the relationship between Team Ludendi/ESA Organizers and the administration of the facility they were using for the event.

Zecks

2014-12-02 12:28:02 pm

sukusuku hakutaku

svenne has always been an idiot, most popular example being his constant SRL conspiracy theories and then alleging to only the single specific least bad looking case as the reason for his ban.

hes an egotist weirdo if youd actually look at any of the fucking shit he says online with an ounce of analysis

presjpolk is also a fucking lunatic and it baffles me that these 2 people are still kept around

fuck

KVD

2014-12-02 12:53:38 pm

Quote from Supreme:

Quote from KVD:

Oh, this is obviously true, but I still feel they should have left it out, it has no style. In my eyes, the case presented by the ESA group isn't helped by throwing this quite personal attack in there (contrarily, it makes it feel a bit vendetta-esque), while there are plenty of other points in there that do.

I disagree, the way it was worded was about as tasteful as it could be.

Fair enough, I may have overstated what I wrote earlier. I just don't like throwing mud like that. Anyway I'll pull an Alko and will stop commenting until both parties have spoken.

Maxiethehatter

2014-12-02 12:58:44 pm

Wow this really sucks, I heard bad stuff was going on but this bad? I would've never seen it coming.
I really do hope this gets sorted out and that we can have another awesome event next year.
Watching closely at how things turns out and if Ludendi answers this, would be nice to have the story from both sides.

Tompa

2014-12-02 01:03:21 pm

What he did with the bathroom is enough for a ban for the events, another reason why drunk people shouldn't be allowed at the venue at all.

Good luck sorting this out. You have my support, B, E, F, G and O!

Knox

2014-12-02 01:38:58 pm

dang dude this all could have been prevented if svenne was house trained

hope the rest of the ESA crew does well with the future marathons!

Kotti

2014-12-02 01:45:35 pm

Whatever Ludendi's or Svenne's stance on this may be, Edenal, Oasiz, Bangerra, Grukk and Flicky continue to have my support as they've proven they do a very good job at organizing these events.

Trineas

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Trineas: 2014-12-02 01:52:37 pm

Trineas: 2014-12-02 01:52:20 pm

2014-12-02 01:49:42 pm

プラズマ

Not sure how this is even a debate.

Quote from Kotti:

Whatever Ludendi's or Svenne's stance on this may be, Edenal, Oasiz, Bangerra, Grukk and Flicky continue to have my support as they've proven they do a very good job at organizing these events.

This about sums it up. Actions speak louder than words.

PJ

2014-12-02 03:58:58 pm

Is PJ

Honestly I'm really glad to read that Edenal, Oasiz, Flicky, Bangerra, and Grukk will be taking over. ESA is in good hands. You have my support. ^_^

On a side note, I'm curious about the sub money from the Ludendi channel. Since I am pretty horrible at reading, I was unable to find the budget thing you mentioned. I'm assuming since you said nobody had access to the Ludendi funds/bank account, that money just went to Svenne? Or if it did go to help ESA, it is almost certainly just going to Svenne now, right?

icedpingu

2014-12-02 04:10:15 pm

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) rolmander ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Quote from Kotti:

Whatever Ludendi's or Svenne's stance on this may be, Edenal, Oasiz, Bangerra, Grukk and Flicky continue to have my support as they've proven they do a very good job at organizing these events.

Amen.

S.

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S.: 2014-12-03 12:36:15 pm

S.: 2014-12-03 12:36:01 pm

2014-12-03 08:02:49 am

Quote from presjpolk:

So Swedish law was broken by the previous ESA management team, but sure, let's blame Ludendi.

I don't know, this seems like a rather strong argument. I don't think Edenal, Oasiz, Bangerra and Grukk are capable of organizing ESA, I'm sorry to say.

The fact that what I quoted is not even an argument, but rather a mere statement (without any arguments to back it), should have hinted at my sarcasm being obvious. Guess it wasn't. Still though I achieved what I wanted to achieve and that is remind people of this statement being said.

Joka

2014-12-03 09:06:22 am

Personal text

Quote from S.:

Quote from presjpolk:

So Swedish law was broken by the previous ESA management team, but sure, let's blame Ludendi.

I don't know, this seems like a rather strong argument.

Since you both seem to agree, can you please point out where/what and how?

Quote from S.:

I don't think Edenal, Oasiz, Bangerra and Grukk are capable of organizing ESA, I'm sorry to say.

But.. they just did.

coolkid

2014-12-03 09:12:41 am

jokes.

Edenal & co have my full support. Looking forward to ESA2015!

philosoraptor42

2014-12-03 09:35:49 am

Dapper as fuck.

I'm with Joka on this one. The whole Swedish law thing seems like a pretty important talking point to just nonchalantly throw out there with no explanation.

Yvathacal

2014-12-03 11:15:52 am

Quote from Kotti:

Whatever Ludendi's or Svenne's stance on this may be, Edenal, Oasiz, Bangerra, Grukk and Flicky continue to have my support as they've proven they do a very good job at organizing these events.

Wording this, stay strong.

Maxiethehatter

2014-12-03 11:24:17 am

Quote from S.:

Quote from presjpolk:

So Swedish law was broken by the previous ESA management team, but sure, let's blame Ludendi.

I don't know, this seems like a rather strong argument.

I've read through the documents a few times and I still can't understand how any laws were broken.
I would love an explanation on what law (a paragraph would be perfect but not necessary) was broken.

Quote from S.:

I don't think Edenal, Oasiz, Bangerra and Grukk are capable of organizing ESA, I'm sorry to say.

I'd say that planning and executing a self financing marathon with success makes them pretty qualified for the job.

KennyMan666

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KennyMan666: 2014-12-03 11:42:15 am

2014-12-03 11:41:47 am

Precursor

I'm going to try to stay as neutral as possible at this particular point in time. I have faith in the ESA planning group and I'm not ready to completely write off Ludendi and Svenne (I saw that toilet though. Yeah.).

I've heard things from various sources. What I'm taking from it at the moment is that what seems to be needed is more transparency about the handling of money relating to the planning, organizing and hosting of ESA and related events, 'cause I've heard some pretty strong accusations. The more transparent stuff like that can be, the easier it'll be to make people trust nothing shady is going on.

heeheex2

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heeheex2: 2014-12-03 12:32:08 pm

2014-12-03 12:24:28 pm

mwsf!

Someone posted in the SA speedrun thread (arranger is edenal)

Quote from MrLonghair:

The insider summary is that the arranger didn't want to come clean about embezzlement or present any bank drafts (I've seen the numbers, he can get nailed with jailtime) and then he changed his mind 120% about what he wanted to do with ESA and took passwords, accounts, money, equipment and ran off with four others with everything ESA.

Which is another 120% change of mind of his and I've spoken to him a bunch, to have it completely independent from Ludendi. All after he started getting questions and asked to present the papers so the math that didn't work out could be checked out.

doicm

2014-12-03 12:24:54 pm

Putting two and two together, I'm guessing that the accusations of "breaking Swedish law" has something to do with "mishandling of ESA money"? Are these taken in by donations, or is the money gathered through personal contributions from the organizers? Are these donations only going towards supporting ESA events, supporting the organizers in their lifestyles, or towards some cause (like a charity)?

I guess in answering these questions, the laws that are being broken would have to do with how a donator's money is being handled. For example, if an agreement was made with proper authorities or someone to have donation money only go towards this or that, it should be made clear on the donation page. If it isn't being abided to by the organizers, then that would be breaking Swedish law. I don't know if this would extend to where the money would be stored or other personal gripes within the organization. I imagine Swedish law only extending to what is made in public agreements.

Then again, I know nothing about law or how these things work. I've had these sorts of things explained to me once, and I'm just going off of what I've observed discussed in this thread and on Twitter.

Putting two and two together, I'm guessing that the accusations of "breaking Swedish law" has something to do with "mishandling of ESA money"? Are these taken in by donations, or is the money gathered through personal contributions from the organizers? Are these donations only going towards supporting ESA events, supporting the organizers in their lifestyles, or towards some cause (like a charity)?

I guess in answering these questions, the laws that are being broken would have to do with how a donator's money is being handled. For example, if an agreement was made with proper authorities or someone to have donation money only go towards this or that, it should be made clear on the donation page. If it isn't being abided to by the organizers, then that would be breaking Swedish law. I don't know if this would extend to where the money would be stored or other personal gripes within the organization. I imagine Swedish law only extending to what is made in public agreements.

Then again, I know nothing about law or how these things work. I've had these sorts of things explained to me once, and I'm just going off of what I've observed discussed in this thread and on Twitter.

Steijner

2014-12-03 12:30:44 pm

Quote from presjpolk:

So Swedish law was broken by the previous ESA management team, but sure, let's blame Ludendi.

Oh nice, a meaningless one-liner without any kind of proof...that's what I actually was expecting from the "right horses" Smiley

Seriously you cannot charge somebody that heavily and then not furnish evidence for it.

Would be cool if the other side would finally start talking.

Edenal, Oasiz, Bangerra, Grukk and Flicky good luck with all the bullshit/-ers

tonic

2014-12-03 12:37:14 pm

Quote from S.:

Quote from presjpolk:

So Swedish law was broken by the previous ESA management team, but sure, let's blame Ludendi.

I don't know, this seems like a rather strong argument. I don't think Edenal, Oasiz, Bangerra and Grukk are capable of organizing ESA, I'm sorry to say.

...what? That was not an argument. It was a passive-aggressive post without any context or supporting facts. This thread deserves well-articulated and thought out responses by both sides and their supporters, not bandwagon uninformed trash.

Edenal, it's great you were able to gather your thoughts in a concise and poignant manner. Transparency with these kind of issues is paramount to the success of similar future events, and sets good precedent for new ones to follow. I hope you and the rest of the ESA team press forward.

Gaël

2014-12-03 12:59:44 pm

Quote from doicm:

Are these taken in by donations

all the marathon donations went direcly to DwB, like GDQs do.

Studio

2014-12-03 01:01:06 pm

Quote from doicm:

Putting two and two together, I'm guessing that the accusations of "breaking Swedish law" has something to do with "mishandling of ESA money"? Are these taken in by donations, or is the money gathered through personal contributions from the organizers? Are these donations only going towards supporting ESA events, supporting the organizers in their lifestyles, or towards some cause (like a charity)?

I guess in answering these questions, the laws that are being broken would have to do with how a donator's money is being handled. For example, if an agreement was made with proper authorities or someone to have donation money only go towards this or that, it should be made clear on the donation page. If it isn't being abided to by the organizers, then that would be breaking Swedish law. I don't know if this would extend to where the money would be stored or other personal gripes within the organization. I imagine Swedish law only extending to what is made in public agreements.

Then again, I know nothing about law or how these things work. I've had these sorts of things explained to me once, and I'm just going off of what I've observed discussed in this thread and on Twitter.

Double checked my PayPal, all donations all went to MSF.

[quote="doicm"]Putting two and two together, I'm guessing that the accusations of "breaking Swedish law" has something to do with "mishandling of ESA money"? Are these taken in by donations, or is the money gathered through personal contributions from the organizers? Are these donations only going towards supporting ESA events, supporting the organizers in their lifestyles, or towards some cause (like a charity)?

I guess in answering these questions, the laws that are being broken would have to do with how a donator's money is being handled. For example, if an agreement was made with proper authorities or someone to have donation money only go towards this or that, it should be made clear on the donation page. If it isn't being abided to by the organizers, then that would be breaking Swedish law. I don't know if this would extend to where the money would be stored or other personal gripes within the organization. I imagine Swedish law only extending to what is made in public agreements.

Then again, I know nothing about law or how these things work. I've had these sorts of things explained to me once, and I'm just going off of what I've observed discussed in this thread and on Twitter.[/quote]

Double checked my PayPal, all donations all went to MSF.

doicm

2014-12-03 01:53:08 pm

Quote from S.:

Quote from presjpolk:

So Swedish law was broken by the previous ESA management team, but sure, let's blame Ludendi.

I don't know, this seems like a rather strong argument. I don't think Edenal, Oasiz, Bangerra and Grukk are capable of organizing ESA, I'm sorry to say.

The fact that what I quoted is not even an argument, but rather a mere statement (without any arguments to back it), should have hinted at my sarcasm being obvious. Guess it wasn't. Still though I achieved what I wanted to achieve and that is remind people of this statement being said.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that caught on.

Anyway, regarding the going-straight-to-charity deal, if that's the case then, I wonder what money is being mishandled? Is this just a personal spat? TBD, I guess....

ShadowDraft

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ShadowDraft: 2014-12-03 02:42:16 pm

2014-12-03 02:41:34 pm

Get over here!

Quote from PJ:

Honestly I'm really glad to read that Edenal, Oasiz, Flicky, Bangerra, and Grukk will be taking over. ESA is in good hands. You have my support. ^_^

On a side note, I'm curious about the sub money from the Ludendi channel. Since I am pretty horrible at reading, I was unable to find the budget thing you mentioned. I'm assuming since you said nobody had access to the Ludendi funds/bank account, that money just went to Svenne? Or if it did go to help ESA, it is almost certainly just going to Svenne now, right?

^ this pretty much.