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Edenal: 2014-12-03 12:52:07 pm
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Open Letter
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Due to legal threats from the chairman of Ludendi and further demands from the board of Ludendi, I will no longer be involved in organising any events under Ludendi/TeamLudendi until these demands are being dropped.

However, me and the rest of the European Speedster Assembly planning team will continue to work for the community and organise an event independently from the governing of Ludendi.

The demands from the board of Ludendi can be read in this contract:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DvIu9Xn7mu5r3Eu-9lQTcJka1jquTdKvz8uzBwlXOJI/

After communicating with the board of Ludendi, these are their beliefs regarding European Speedster Assembly. Comments by the ESA planning group have been added:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eLy9RT6kom8mKjxQNR1ACibvZ6lfOQ3_RmkUMHSTaK0/

I’m not prepared to sign any form of contract which would become a hindrance in organising future events. This document would only achieve the removal of any independance for European Speedster Assembly. Giving all authority to the board of Ludendi while leaving all the responsibility on the appointed chief executive of European Speedster Assembly.

Ludendi is not willing to continue without having the Chief Executive of ESA sign that contract and I’m confident that no sane person would ever sign it.

It’s been a pleasure to be a part of the team that organised ESA2012, ESA2013, Dreamhack Summer 2014, ESA2014 and Dreamhack Winter 2014.

I’m making this decision by my own choice and I will be happy to continue working with Ludendi in the future if these demands and being dropped. Best of luck with future endeavors.

Best regards
Fredrik “Edenal” Lidholt


Summary of the past months

For clarity, current plans are that ESA2015 would consist of the following individuals. Edenal, oasiz, flicky, grukk and bangerra. We were all heavily involved in ESA2014 and most of us during ESA2013. We have a detailed plan and shared vision which coincides with the that which a majority of the attendees expressed after ESA2014.

In the past few months, both before and after ESA2014, Edenal has personally received multiple threats from Andreas “Svenne” Svensson, Svenne has attempted to sabotage ESA, including quitting in the middle of planning the game schedule for 2014 and most recently a threat of lawsuit to take ownership of ESA from the community.

During the planning process, the Svenne made promises that were not his to make both through his private Twitter account and the Team Ludendi Twitter account, including reaching out to the runner Sunblade who had his games cut and putting them back in again.

During the scheduling process Svenne threatened to pull himself and his close friends from the marathon due to not seeing eye to eye on if certain games being played by his close friends should be on the Blue or Yellow stream but backed down. Ultimately these games ended up on the Blue stream.

On October 3th, Edenal was made aware that Svenne was preparing to file a lawsuit against him. The reason being that ESA related payments had been made to Edenal’s private PayPal account and these funds had not been transferred to Ludendi’s bank account (which no one had access to). Having these funds available was imperative to be able to organise ESA2014 and the finances and balance spreadsheets of ESA2014 have been made publicly available here.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qljINOPWo3harmfByIDG0ZiuUJQ3kR2BP07VjeeRUsA/pubhtml

On October 5th, Svenne hijacked the EuropeanSpeedsterAssembly Twitch account because he did not want us to have the roundtable. We were once again given access to the Twitch account hours before the roundtable was scheduled.

On October 11th, there was a Ludendi meeting being called by Svenne. With the sole intent of defaming the persons involved in ESA2014. Non Swedish speaking persons were shut out as Svenne refused to speak English even though he knew they would be present. The threats of lawsuits were still present at this time.

Andreas “Svenne” Svensson had been excluded from being a part of the planning group for ESA2015, due to unacceptable behaviour during ESA2014. During the final night of the marathon, he became uncontrollably intoxicated, leaving one of the toilets in a disgusting state and completely unusable for the remainder of the event. He did not return to the venue or take responsibility for his actions until confronted after the event was over. After much discussion with attendees and other organisers we had originally planned to ban Svenne from ESA 2015 but after discussion with him, we decided out of compassion to give him one more chance - a decision we have now reverted based on the recent behaviour described above.

Since then, “Svenne” has expressed a desire for there to be a signed contract (draft of contract is viewable here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DvIu9Xn7mu5r3Eu-9lQTcJka1jquTdKvz8uzBwlXOJI/) between Ludendi and the main organiser (as voted by Ludendi) of ESA. Although in a draft state, this means signing a contract with the very person who was banned from the event itself and has already expressed that he has no faith in the current organising group that was heavily involved already during ESA2014. Parts that concerned the main organiser ultimately gave this person no true independence as he could be removed from the position at any time and all the finances would have to go through a third party. We are not convinced at the need or benefit of any such agreement or contract to attendees, volunteers or organisers. We do not see how adding more bureaucracy by granting Ludendi full ownership of ESA would benefit the attendees and viewers or help with the organisational process, especially after coming to the conclusion that becoming more independent would benefit all involved (roundtable video available here: http://www.twitch.tv/europeanspeedsterassembly/c/5477429). ESA 2014 was run this year as Edenal took the reins and organised the event when no one else would. It was simply passed over to him and went successfully from there. We have received no explanation of why Svenne believes that he and Ludendi have the rights to control and run the event and how it would be beneficial to those involved beyond personal gain for Svenne himself.

Having that said, there’s an experienced group with a plan that wants to keep organising the event. What we want is to ensure that the speedrun community gets the best marathon possible, that’s why we stepped up to organise and run ESA 2014 and that’s why we want to work our hardest for ESA 2015. Our problem now, based on what happened before, during and after ESA 2014, is that we have a stumbling block in the form of Svenne trying to take control of everything. We don’t believe we can achieve our goal with him involved which is why we opted to remove him in the first place.

The reason we are making this public is so as to achieve our goal of allowing the community a high quality and enjoyable marathon. We believe this decision should be made by the community as this is a community event and not behind closed doors based on no reasoning and limited communication. If the public response is against us as organisers and believes that we would not be the best choice, we will, with heavy hearts, step down from organising the event. If we must step-down from ESA but still have the support of the community, we will strive to run our own event for you, even if it means starting again from square one. Likewise we would be happy to continue working with Ludendi as a group if we can continue as a community event, sharing resources as we would with any speedrunning group.

We are unaware of how much of this was agreed on by Ludendi as a group and as far as we aware, everything has come directly from Svenne himself. Our goal here is not to shame an individual or group or to stop any Ludendi members from coming to ESA (all are welcome), but to ensure that ESA stays with the community and their event. We have chosen to release this information now as we are beginning work on ESA 2015 and need to sort out this obstruction as soon as possible.

- Written by the European Speedster Assembly 2014 planning group.
bangerra, Edenal, flicky, grukk & oasiz

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Clarification:
Ludendi is the local video game association based in Skövde, Sweden. Their goal is to promote video gaming and act as an open meeting place.
Source: http://ludendi.wikispaces.com/file/view/Ludendi%20Stadgar/193597470/Ludendi%20Stadgar

Team Ludendi is an online splinter of Ludendi. It mostly exists as a speedrunning team where members are invited by Svenne. How linked it is with the Ludendi group/board, we are unsure.
https://teamludendi.taigaforum.com/post/rules_for_joining_team_ludendi.html

European Speedster Assembly is a community event supported by Ludendi as it is by other speedrun communities including SDA, SRL, SRG, NLG and more.
https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/european_speedster_assembly_2013__main_thread.html

Balance spreadsheet: (Received and approved by Frezy_man, the accountant of Ludendi on September 24th. Last edited October 4th.)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qljINOPWo3harmfByIDG0ZiuUJQ3kR2BP07VjeeRUsA/pubhtml

Sources:
ESA Roundtable: http://www.twitch.tv/europeanspeedsterassembly/c/5477429

[2013-08-15] Screenshot from early ESA2014 planning. Clarifying that leadership was not set in stone. Clarifying that Edenal was not happy with having had to use private accounts. Clarifying that Ludendi was in fact not organising ESA2013.
http://i.imgur.com/n6VsTU4.png

[2014-11-13] Screenshot from Svenne and Magnus receiving the questions about the contract drft.
http://imgur.com/aRrMWK0

[2014-11-09] Contract draft written by Svenne and Magnus of Ludendi.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DvIu9Xn7mu5r3Eu-9lQTcJka1jquTdKvz8uzBwlXOJI/edit
(Translation in blue)

https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/european_speedster_assembly_2014__feedback_thread.html

https://teamludendi.taigaforum.com/post/esa_2014__main_planning_thread.html


*EDIT* [2014-12-03]
When copying the text from Google Drive, embedded links were lost in translation. Most notably the mentioned balance spreadsheet. They have now been added, both in text and along with the sources.
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I support anything that harbors the independence and continuation of all of speedrunning. Good luck, everyone.

At worst, you can always rebrand it ESFA: European Speed Friends Assembly <3
Thank you for the write up. They say there are two sides to every story, but I am greatly inclined to believe this side, and the current planners of ESA (or whatever it might be called) have my support, and almost assuredly the support of the majority of the community. The second google doc (Q&A) is really alarming and I wish your team all the best.
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I'm sad to hear about this; regardless of whichever side of the story is true or not, I hope you all get things sorted out and do what you feel is necessary to continue these awesome marathons Sad
Formerly known as Skullboy
Sad to see problems like this in speedgaming communities. I'm not a legal expert  but I recall ESA's rights belonging to Ludendi, at least as far as ESA 2012 was concerned (see Frezzy's first post): https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/speedrun_gathering_sk%C3%B6vde_sweden__august_2012.html.

I hope that regardless of what happens, there will continue to be quality marathons, speed and/or casual, from the runners in Europe. 
HELLO!
So Swedish law was broken by the previous ESA management team, but sure, let's blame Ludendi.
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So Swedish law was broken by the previous ESA management team, but sure, let's blame Ludendi.


Explain?
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TimpZ: 2014-12-02 08:19:53 am
TimpZ: 2014-12-02 08:08:14 am
You might want to elaborate on that presjpolk, otherwise it's just gonna sow unneeded drama and dissidence.

I have full confidence for Edenal, Oazis, Bangerra, Grukk and Flicky and I believe they're working for the best of the event rather than personal gain in any way. I'd be sad to see the speedrunning community to be even more fractured like I feel the whole concept of Team Ludendi has done, but I support Edenal & co. in their decisions.
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Golden: 2014-12-02 08:11:57 am
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I'd just like to say that I believe ESA is in good hands and I hope this doesn't dissuade Edenal, Oasiz, Bangerra, Grukk and Flicky from continuing to host and be involved with ESA. You have my support for whatever that's worth. Smiley
Truly unfortunate events, I do hope a solution can be worked out between all parties that will give us the best possible marathon for the sake of everyone.
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how do u miss the toilet
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I don't think anyone here doubts Edenal and how things have been handled. I trust that ESA 2015 will blow our minds.
I hope so to dxtr! Gonna be awesome to go down to ESA next year!
Ganondorf = Donkey Kong LOOK IT UP!!
Bangerra, Edenal, Flicky, Grukk, Oasiz. You have my full support in doing this. You are all good peeps. Here's to a stellar ESA 2015 run by adults and without bitter drama queens.

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how do u miss the toilet

This is truly the question of the year
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I sincerely wish for an official statement of Ludendi/Svenne (since he is the most accused person in this thread) stating their side of the story.

I shan't post in this thread again until I read it (entirely uncatalysed). If it won't come: Rip ESA as we knew it.
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I sincerely wish for an official statement of Ludendi/Svenne
Having attended both ESA 2013 and 2014, it is clear to see how much work and passion bangerra, Edenal, flicky, grukk & oasiz have all put into bringing these marathons to life. The transparency involved in all steps of the process and their ability to listen to and adapt based on input from community feedback really shows their commitment to producing an inclusive high quality event.

It is sad to hear about these complications but I am confident that you guys will continue to produce a great community event for all to attend, regardless of whether that event is under the name of ESA or not.
as someone who is looking forward to possibly attending ESA15, i hope the organizational differences are sorted out and the event can still be managed. event always looked like fun, a shame it seems to be plagued by someone's ego.

Murder on the Pawrient Express
I don't really want to start shit and the last thing I want to see is ESA ending up in the bin, it would really make me sick if there was no marathon next year. I hope the organizers of ESA manage to pull this drama out of the toilet and make sure the next marathon doesn't end up being out of order.

All I really want is for this entire matter to get cleaned up.
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sicko2012: 2014-12-02 11:31:26 am
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I don't really want to start shit and the last thing I want to see is ESA ending up in the bin, it would really make me sick if there was no marathon next year. I hope the organizers of ESA manage to pull this drama out of the toilet and make sure the next marathon doesn't end up being out of order.

All I really want is for this entire matter to get cleaned up.

sadly.... it never made it in the toilet
You can never run enough games
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Quote from Chucat:
I don't really want to start shit and the last thing I want to see is ESA ending up in the bin, it would really make me sick if there was no marathon next year. I hope the organizers of ESA manage to pull this drama out of the toilet and make sure the next marathon doesn't end up being out of order.

All I really want is for this entire matter to get cleaned up.

sadly.... it never made it in the toilet

And comments like this are really helping the discussion of course.

I agree with many things people have posted thus far, but mostly with Alko. I too would like an official statement from the other side before continuing to discuss any of the implications of this further.
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KVD: 2014-12-02 11:37:38 am
KVD: 2014-12-02 11:36:42 am
KVD: 2014-12-02 11:36:11 am
KVD: 2014-12-02 11:34:36 am
Quote from Alko:
I sincerely wish for an official statement of Ludendi/Svenne (since he is the most accused person in this thread) stating their side of the story.

I shan't post in this thread again until I read it (entirely uncatalysed). If it won't come: Rip ESA as we knew it.


Agreed 100% with Alko.
I'm not willing to take sides, but with the way this has been communicated thus far, I have quite some issues. Firstly, accusing Svenne of trashing a toilet (I'm assuming it was included in the statement to somehow weaken his position?) should have no place in an official statement such as this, regardless of it being true or not. To me, the only thing that proves, is that whoever wrote this post is far too emotionally invested to be able to present the public with an unbiased message.
The second thing that really bothered me is the linked Q & A, where Svenne is asked a question, then gives an anwser and THEN on every presented issue the interviewer (ESA group) gets the final say. Come on, that's not how grown-ups play.

This is not to say that I'm not backing the ESA group, or that I am backing Svenne/Ludendi. I just don't like the way this power-struggle (let's call a spade a spade) is being played. I have seen a lot of nonsense from both sides (and to be fair an equal amount of points that do have merit). Anyway, let's wait on what Svenne has to say for himself. Or Ludendi as a group, might be even better.
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Firstly, accusing Svenne of trashing a toilet (I'm assuming it was included in the statement to somehow weaken his position?) should have no place in an official statement such as this, regardless of it being true or not. To me, the only thing that proves, is that whoever wrote this post is far too emotionally invested to be able to present the public with an unbiased message.

It was mentioned in the context of him getting drunk during the event and not taking responsibility for his actions, which is fair criticism of someone who wants control imo. Also, it's funny.

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The second thing that really bothered me is the linked Q & A, where Svenne is asked a question, then gives an anwser and THEN on every presented issue the interviewer (ESA group) gets the final say. Come on, that's not how grown-ups play.

wording this.
Quote from KVD:
Firstly, accusing Svenne of trashing a toilet (included in the statement to somehow weaken his position?) should have no place in an official statement such as this. To me, the only thing that proves, is that whoever wrote this post is far too emotionally invested to be able to present the public with an unbiased message.


In my personal opinion, I would say this is a very relevant point. If Svenne wishes to take control of the organisation and management of the marathon, then his actions are representative of the event and group. To act in such an appallingly unprofessional manner only highlights how unsuited Svenne is for any sort of supervisory position.

Even worse than the act itself is his inability to take responsibility for his actions. This is not the behaviour of a responsible adult.
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KVD: 2014-12-02 12:00:18 pm
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Oh, this is obviously true, but I still feel it would have been better had they left it out, it has no style. In my eyes, the case presented by the ESA group isn't helped by throwing this quite personal attack in there (contrarily, it makes it feel a bit vendetta-esque), while there are plenty of other points in there that do.