Super Paper Mario (Wii)

2007-10-24 11:42:36 am

CTTR Master and Spyro 2 Master

Meh. Still a cool trick. And I'm pretty sure you can get to the basement before chapter 2. Only problem is how can you defeat the spiked enemies?

NK3233

2007-10-24 01:25:32 pm

It's-a me, Stalin!

You can't get flopside early, either, unless you get fleep early.

KingCTTR

2007-10-24 03:18:00 pm

CTTR Master and Spyro 2 Master

Not flopside. Flipside. Also I just died against Wracktail in the Pit of 100 Trials Angry

Really annoyed.

sarou

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sarou: 2007-10-26 07:47:28 pm

2007-10-26 07:44:19 pm

one-armed bandit

suprisingly I did this 1 minute faster so 6 minutes faster total.

Subrosian

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Subrosian: 2007-10-27 01:39:28 am

2007-10-27 12:59:15 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

By the way KingCTTR, there are no squigs in Flipside B2.

Also, sarou: did you know that you can hold up just before using an elevator to activate it instantly?

Amazing Ampharos

2007-10-27 01:09:48 am

The pit would take a fantastically long time at the levels you'd be at after the first world and without Carrie. Waiting to do the pit would probably save time just because of how long the pit is.

sarou

2007-10-27 04:40:34 am

one-armed bandit

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By the way KingCTTR, there are no squigs in Flipside B2.

Also, sarou: did you know that you can hold up just before using an elevator to activate it instantly?

yes but that's actually slower when using the flipside tower elevator.

Subrosian

2007-10-28 03:41:50 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

I know, but I was talking about the other elevators.

KingCTTR

2007-10-28 06:21:29 pm

CTTR Master and Spyro 2 Master

D'oh its the outskirts B2 I was on about and from there you can enter normally so no time saver really.

sarou

2007-10-29 10:52:17 pm

one-armed bandit

seg20. My previous segment was only a second away from the next minute so I'm again 5 minutes ahead. Most likely I'll regain it later on.

Meow Meow

2007-11-02 07:33:23 am

umm... i'm just watching this now, and i'm at the battle between bowser and the big flora king, and i'm keep thinking to myself - did you know you can use bowser's flame while jumping with carrie?
that would make a lot of your battles more easy and quick. the battle before that with o'chunks would've been a lot faster.
please don't kill me if someone already said that here. XD

NK3233

2007-11-02 09:49:22 am

It's-a me, Stalin!

I hope that everyone knows that, but thanks anyway.

MrGuy

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MrGuy: 2007-11-02 03:09:56 pm

2007-11-02 03:05:42 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGtkXq-14Ao

Yeah, I actually used that in my run in some battles (like Mimi in 6-2).

Also, can someone please summarize the new sequence breaks and other tricks? I know all the tricks up to 3-2 that are in sarou's run. Since I feel like redoing my old run, I need to know this =P

EDIT: Also, would it be possible to use this experience trick later on?

KingCTTR

2007-11-02 05:17:24 pm

CTTR Master and Spyro 2 Master

Bit late to use it. Plus don't you have to have finished chapter 5 for the Amazy Dayzee to be there.

PMIT

2007-11-04 10:36:05 pm

I think this is known already, but I was experimenting with cooking today, and Mystery Boxes seem like they give you Mistakes half the time, a random one-ingredient recipe at other times, and of course the Miracle Dinner. I don't know exactly what they can give you as I didn't go indepth, but out of 10 Mystery Boxes, I got a Slimy Extract, Snow Cone, Herb Tea, and a Fried Egg. Since Mystery Boxes from the shop in Crag cost 3 coins, it's a much more cost efficient way than buying an extra item from most of the Itty Bitts.

Also, you can go straight from Ice Storm + Turtley Leaf to Snow Bunny instead of Snow Cone + Turtley Leaf. It may not save time, but I also found out that Snow Bunny + Peachy Peach can also give you Fruit Parfait, and the normal fruits from 7-3 can get that Peachy Peach + Keel Mango recipe.

Of course, this will only help if Recipes end up being included in the 100%, but just putting it out there for those who don't know.

Lazylen

2007-11-05 12:44:21 am

fuck you i wont do what you tell me

dunno if this has been pointed out yet, but

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=933012&topic=37352291

MrGuy

2007-11-05 01:30:58 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGtkXq-14Ao

It was used in sarou's run already.

KingCTTR

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KingCTTR: 2007-11-14 09:23:13 pm

2007-11-09 05:02:25 pm

CTTR Master and Spyro 2 Master

Can someone please tell me if getting the Merlon and Murluvlee cards, the Peach(2) card and the Watchitt card would be enough to buy the Flopside/Flipside pipe? Cause them cards are all in the way and if not what about adding the Red and Green card? Would this work?

Also Sarou in the fishbowl segment after talking to Merlon it is faster to use the return pipe and jumping off flipside tower to get the fishbowl guy.

Freaky_Mutant_Man

2007-11-18 02:36:01 am

This sentence is funny. Admit it, you laughed.

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but the Chapter 6-2 Mimi battle can be beaten a lot faster than 43 seconds. I discovered the method the first (and so far, only) time I've done the fight. Basically go into the battle with Bowser and Carrie (which is THE combination for most bosses), and when the fight starts and she rises up into the air with her Rubee shield, quickly hop onto Carrie, jump, and start breathing fire in her general direction. For some reason, a sort of chain reaction of rapid-fire damage occurs, and by the time she's sliding from the knockback, you've already won. I'm not sure of how long it took overall, but I estimate it was around 5-10 seconds from the beginning of the fight to when the post-fight cutscene started.

I'm not sure why or how this happens, since it happened so quickly, it was on my first try, and because this kind of strategy was one I had used on almost every other boss since Francis, I did it all by instinct. In any case, no matter how the rapid-fire hits, it's still a significantly faster strategy.

NOTE: I haven't watched the run yet, so all of this is solely based on what is mentioned in the run comments. Also, my memory of what I exactly did to beat her that quick isn't that great, so you might need to move a little to the right when you jump, or something like that. I remember doing around 14 per hit, and though I'm sure that the strategy will still work with a lower Attack, you'll probably want to play it safe and either level up or use a PP. Finally, I just want to clarify that I'm still on my first playthrough, working on the Pit before Chapter 8, and I rented on the 9th, so don't expect any sort of extensive testing from me anytime soon.

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but the Chapter 6-2 Mimi battle can be beaten a lot faster than 43 seconds. I discovered the method the first (and so far, only) time I've done the fight. Basically go into the battle with Bowser and Carrie (which is THE combination for most bosses), and when the fight starts and she rises up into the air with her Rubee shield, quickly hop onto Carrie, jump, and start breathing fire in her general direction. For some reason, a sort of chain reaction of rapid-fire damage occurs, and by the time she's sliding from the knockback, you've already won. I'm not sure of how long it took overall, but I estimate it was around 5-10 seconds from the beginning of the fight to when the post-fight cutscene started.

I'm not sure why or how this happens, since it happened so quickly, it was on my first try, and because this kind of strategy was one I had used on almost every other boss since Francis, I did it all by instinct. In any case, no matter how the rapid-fire hits, it's still a significantly faster strategy.

NOTE: I haven't watched the run yet, so all of this is solely based on what is mentioned in the run comments. Also, my memory of what I exactly did to beat her that quick isn't that great, so you might need to move a little to the right when you jump, or something like that. I remember doing around 14 per hit, and though I'm sure that the strategy will still work with a lower Attack, you'll probably want to play it safe and either level up or use a PP. Finally, I just want to clarify that I'm still on my first playthrough, working on the Pit before Chapter 8, and I rented on the 9th, so don't expect any sort of extensive testing from me anytime soon.

sarou

2007-11-18 09:05:45 am

one-armed bandit

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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but the Chapter 6-2 Mimi battle can be beaten a lot faster than 43 seconds. I discovered the method the first (and so far, only) time I've done the fight. Basically go into the battle with Bowser and Carrie (which is THE combination for most bosses), and when the fight starts and she rises up into the air with her Rubee shield, quickly hop onto Carrie, jump, and start breathing fire in her general direction. For some reason, a sort of chain reaction of rapid-fire damage occurs, and by the time she's sliding from the knockback, you've already won. I'm not sure of how long it took overall, but I estimate it was around 5-10 seconds from the beginning of the fight to when the post-fight cutscene started.

I'm not sure why or how this happens, since it happened so quickly, it was on my first try, and because this kind of strategy was one I had used on almost every other boss since Francis, I did it all by instinct. In any case, no matter how the rapid-fire hits, it's still a significantly faster strategy.

NOTE: I haven't watched the run yet, so all of this is solely based on what is mentioned in the run comments. Also, my memory of what I exactly did to beat her that quick isn't that great, so you might need to move a little to the right when you jump, or something like that. I remember doing around 14 per hit, and though I'm sure that the strategy will still work with a lower Attack, you'll probably want to play it safe and either level up or use a PP. Finally, I just want to clarify that I'm still on my first playthrough, working on the Pit before Chapter 8, and I rented on the 9th, so don't expect any sort of extensive testing from me anytime soon.

I'll surely test this when I get back working on my run, having a little break now.

[quote]I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but the Chapter 6-2 Mimi battle can be beaten a lot faster than 43 seconds. I discovered the method the first (and so far, only) time I've done the fight. Basically go into the battle with Bowser and Carrie (which is THE combination for most bosses), and when the fight starts and she rises up into the air with her Rubee shield, quickly hop onto Carrie, jump, and start breathing fire in her general direction. For some reason, a sort of chain reaction of rapid-fire damage occurs, and by the time she's sliding from the knockback, you've already won. I'm not sure of how long it took overall, but I estimate it was around 5-10 seconds from the beginning of the fight to when the post-fight cutscene started.

I'm not sure why or how this happens, since it happened so quickly, it was on my first try, and because this kind of strategy was one I had used on almost every other boss since Francis, I did it all by instinct. In any case, no matter how the rapid-fire hits, it's still a significantly faster strategy.

NOTE: I haven't watched the run yet, so all of this is solely based on what is mentioned in the run comments. Also, my memory of what I exactly did to beat her that quick isn't that great, so you might need to move a little to the right when you jump, or something like that. I remember doing around 14 per hit, and though I'm sure that the strategy will still work with a lower Attack, you'll probably want to play it safe and either level up or use a PP. Finally, I just want to clarify that I'm still on my first playthrough, working on the Pit before Chapter 8, and I rented on the 9th, so don't expect any sort of extensive testing from me anytime soon.[/quote]
I'll surely test this when I get back working on my run, having a little break now.

KingCTTR

2007-11-18 11:27:40 am

CTTR Master and Spyro 2 Master

If I did a run I would be getting the Red n Green card the Watchitt card, Merlon and Merluvlee cards and Interned cards then sell them on the way to Flopside in the card shop and with the money buy the Flopside/Flipside pipe. Would save time for sure..

Freaky_Mutant_Man

2007-11-18 11:43:46 am

This sentence is funny. Admit it, you laughed.

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I'll surely test this when I get back working on my run, having a little break now.

I was going to ask if anybody was working on a new run, but now I don't have to. Yaaaayyyyy.

In any case, I'm thinking that the fire might've hit both Mimi and her Rubee shield, and the Rubees were the cause of the rapid-fire hits. In other words, this is probably how the combo goes: Fire > Lots of Rubees planted in face > More fire along the line > More Rubees in face > Falls onto ground > Slides on ground > Rubee mania > ????? > PROFIT

Also, this isn't speedrun related, but why has every boss up to Chapter 7 ended up being so dang EASY? The only ones I had any sort of trouble with were Francis, the 1st Mr. L fight, and Brobot L-Type. Francis was just annoying to find in time with Bowser (I didn't immediately figure out just how awesome the Bowser/Carrie combination was against bosses), Mr. L I kept trying to burn from the ground (forgot that Bowser could breath fire in midair when using Carrie), and Brobot L-Type was partly because it was actually harder than anything before (not saying much, though), and I also went with the Bowser/Carrie thing because it was the best I could think of, even considering the double defense against fire.

Please tell me that the Chapter 8 bosses, Wracktail and Shadoo are actually challenging. Cause I had a harder time fighting the Ninjoes/jerries/johnnies in the Pit than with any boss so far.

[quote]
I'll surely test this when I get back working on my run, having a little break now.[/quote]

I was going to ask if anybody was working on a new run, but now I don't have to. Yaaaayyyyy.

In any case, I'm thinking that the fire might've hit both Mimi and her Rubee shield, and the Rubees were the cause of the rapid-fire hits. In other words, this is probably how the combo goes: Fire > Lots of Rubees planted in face > More fire along the line > More Rubees in face > Falls onto ground > Slides on ground > Rubee mania > ????? > PROFIT

Also, this isn't speedrun related, but why has every boss up to Chapter 7 ended up being so dang EASY? The only ones I had any sort of trouble with were Francis, the 1st Mr. L fight, and Brobot L-Type. Francis was just annoying to find in time with Bowser (I didn't immediately figure out just how awesome the Bowser/Carrie combination was against bosses), Mr. L I kept trying to burn from the ground (forgot that Bowser could breath fire in midair when using Carrie), and Brobot L-Type was partly because it was actually harder than anything before (not saying much, though), and I also went with the Bowser/Carrie thing because it was the best I could think of, even considering the double defense against fire.

Please tell me that the Chapter 8 bosses, Wracktail and Shadoo are actually challenging. Cause I had a harder time fighting the Ninjoes/jerries/johnnies in the Pit than with any boss so far.

Freaky_Mutant_Man

2007-11-18 11:46:01 am

This sentence is funny. Admit it, you laughed.

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If I did a run I would be getting the Red n Green card the Watchitt card, Merlon and Merluvlee cards and Interned cards then sell them on the way to Flopside in the card shop and with the money buy the Flopside/Flipside pipe. Would save time for sure..

Couldn't the money be acquired much faster by just killing enemies along the way during each level? Cause 300 coins is an amount you'd easily have by the end of Chapter 2.

KingCTTR

2007-11-18 12:04:20 pm

CTTR Master and Spyro 2 Master

If that's faster then yeah.

Infact is you power level at the start till your attack is 6 all the enemy killing and coin collecting could get your level higher which would be faster so yeah probably.

Freaky_Mutant_Man

2007-11-18 12:14:51 pm

This sentence is funny. Admit it, you laughed.

No, that'd be slower. What I mean't was just kill enemies along the way, without slowing down at all, and NEVER grinding. That way, you'd have enough long before the pipe is available, and you won't have wasted time getting cards or repeatedly killing enemies in the same area.