Quote from kirkq:
Nmaster64: In response to why “the SRL leaderboards?” I was always under the impression it was going to be speedrunslive.com/leaderboards and the heading for the page would be “Speedrun Leaderboards” or simply “Leaderboards”. Many of the people who will be using the site upon launch are already involved with SRL. Many people who have interest in moderating the site are already involved with SRL. As far as streaming goes, a good proportion of records that get beaten right now happen on the SRL streams page. The front page of SRL features streamers and helps to spread popularity to runners. Many viewers on twitch who watch speedruns frequent SRL to see what they want to watch. From a design perspective it only makes sense to use this already existing source of viewers. The assumption is that the goal of leaderboards is to spread and document the hobby, so getting people to the site should be a valid metric. I largely agree with Graviton’s and Cosmo’s posts. (This paragraph is a bit disconnected, but I hope it expresses the intent accurately.)
I have no qualms with this, I just brought it up because of how odd the first post struck me. The LBs always felt like an internal SRL project, but the OP made it sound like it was now more of a big community open-source project. So I felt it was only natural to question why it still needs to be under the SRL site and moniker. As much as I'd love to see some big utopian third-party leaderboard, at the end of the day if SRL is the one who's actually getting it done then that's what matters.
On the opt-out topic: I'll just add that I've had private discussions with a handful of people who also disagree with being forced onto the LBs, and who dislike SRL being behind the project in general (at least one of which holds a significant WR). While I don't necessarily agree with this feeling that you should be able to keep a public run off the leaderboards, I'm at least somewhat sympathetic to those who don't want to be forced onto it. But primarily I'm concerned w/ the few cases where they would actually hide or remove their runs purely to keep of the boards. That alone makes me consider trying to find an opt-out solution to please the minority.
Update: This later post by Inzult I think really reflects my feelings.
Quote from inzult:
If some big project like this is perceived as attempting to co-opt smaller communities and leaderboards that grew organically out of there not being a centralized leaderboard, it's not too surprising that people get upset. They might not even know why. They may want to stay out what they see as the other community altogether. This could mean ignoring it, or it might mean a runner not wanting their run listed at all. Of course, it seems to me like that isn't the goal of The LeaderBoard, and it's "just a list". But if the response is "oh well gotta keep the board accurate your run stays" then you run the risk of planting poisonous seeds inside those communities of runners, and alienating everyone. If this is acceptable collateral, then fine. But it is something to keep in mind regardless.
If someone really wants to run a centralized records keeping site, and some drama happens (which is really rare, I know, but stay with me here) with some runners and they actually do feel like they need to take their runs down in response, then it absolutely is the responsibility of the community at large. Obviously you don't choose what an individual does with their video, and if one gets taken down it's not because the community wanted it taken down. But I don't see how someone can build The Place To Go, intentionally not have something in place to alleviate problems, and wash their hands of what happens by just saying "hey, it's not our choice". Especially if there is no choice given.
It has nothing to do with respect, or who owns what, or the law or anything. It just has to do with perception, with people's feelings, with autonomy etc. If you try to use logic on a Mad Person, it won't work.
I don't know how people ought to go about solving these problems, and maybe there actually isn't a way. Unfortunately, for a lot of people, groups are coloured by their worst elements and I'm not sure you can change someone's mind if their problem just boils down to they don't like SRL. But being dismissive of the issues people have (which is even more rare than drama but hold on, I'm almost done) probably isn't the right way. I've seen a lot more LOL NOPE in this thread than I was expecting when I first clicked on it.
So yeah a lot of that doesn't have to do with what I quoted. I guess I'm rambling a bit.
\_o_/
If someone really wants to run a centralized records keeping site, and some drama happens (which is really rare, I know, but stay with me here) with some runners and they actually do feel like they need to take their runs down in response, then it absolutely is the responsibility of the community at large. Obviously you don't choose what an individual does with their video, and if one gets taken down it's not because the community wanted it taken down. But I don't see how someone can build The Place To Go, intentionally not have something in place to alleviate problems, and wash their hands of what happens by just saying "hey, it's not our choice". Especially if there is no choice given.
It has nothing to do with respect, or who owns what, or the law or anything. It just has to do with perception, with people's feelings, with autonomy etc. If you try to use logic on a Mad Person, it won't work.
I don't know how people ought to go about solving these problems, and maybe there actually isn't a way. Unfortunately, for a lot of people, groups are coloured by their worst elements and I'm not sure you can change someone's mind if their problem just boils down to they don't like SRL. But being dismissive of the issues people have (which is even more rare than drama but hold on, I'm almost done) probably isn't the right way. I've seen a lot more LOL NOPE in this thread than I was expecting when I first clicked on it.
So yeah a lot of that doesn't have to do with what I quoted. I guess I'm rambling a bit.
\_o_/