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Die Hard 2013.
Purpose of this topic:
1: Discussing the leaderboards plan.
2: We need coders!
3: Course of action?
4: Who is involved?
5: Why should you care?

1: Discussing the leaderboards plan.

Leaderboards Document:

READ THIS: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sd4kis4bLDg-lyXHAteYeJeakhWqAWBIuZBfNPvi490

- This document was written by Cosmo and Kirkq with great input from SRL IRC channel #leaderboards and discussions with others.

This document attempts to express the current vision for the project in order to better generate discussion.  The leaderboards document and implementation is by no means finalized.  We want the plan to best represent the best implementation for the community, so we welcome further discussion.

Please read the document fairly thoroughly before asking questions or giving feedback.  The document isn't perfectly organized, but it currently gives a good idea of what we are trying to do.  Dissenting opinions will be heard out, but be civil about it.  I'd encourage people to sum up all of their current thoughts in one post instead of having discussion one sentence at a time.

2: We need coders!

This project does not have a lead developer currently.  We especially need people familiar with databases, search queries, and forum integration.  Give us some idea of your abilities/specialties.  For now, you can post here and/or PM me online method of contact if you'd like.  I will not be the one ultimately organizing the project from a coding standpoint, but I can pass that information on.  We will probably get a github going at some point.

3: Course of action?

0:
- Launch seasons 2 this month.  (Get this taken care of and out of the way.)
1a:
- Create SRL forums
- Create SRL logins
- Integrate user accounts for SRL forums, SRL races, SRL leaderboards, and IRC.  (This is difficult.)
- Allow flexibility for creation of user privileges/access levels later.
1b:
- Create mockups of leaderboards pages and user pages.
- They will be functionally fairly similar to http://zeldaspeedruns.com/leaderboards/oot/any
2:
- Launch a beta of the site featuring maybe the most popular 20 or so games.
3:
- Allow user submissions.
- Allow moderator control of categories.
- Implement user pages for combined Races and Leaderboards.
4:
- Implement a long term game/console organizational structure.
- Allow category and new game submissions by users.


4: Who is involved?

Currently most of the recent work on the leaderboards plan has been organized by Cosmo and Kirkq with discussions by many others in the past.  SRL has coders such as puchiedarcy, Mundungu, and IvanGS among others.  puchiedarcy doesn't really have the time to lead this project like he has much of the SRL site up until now.  Some of the other coders are interested, but do not have the ability/time to implement all aspects.  I don't personally know specifics about web design, but I do have an electrical engineering degree and other coding knowledge.  I'm mostly involved to help organize and get this project get moving.  Cosmo has done front-end work with SRL, but doesn't have the time or ability to implement the back-end.

Now that we've come up with a better idea of what we're aiming for over the last month or two, we're wanting to help others get involved.

5: Why should you care?

This isn't intended to be our project.  It's the community's project.  It's meant to be a resource for the community.  It's a resource for SRL.  It's a resource for SDA.  It's a resource so you can stop having to ask who has the record all the time.  It's a resource to better publicize our hobby and bring in new runners.

A leaderboard can only be as valuable as those who contribute to it.  Without community support this project cannot be as successful as we all hope.
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I'm glad that you allow leaderboards to be ranked by in-game time or by real time without loads as elected by the community Smiley
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kirbymastah: 2013-08-12 07:19:38 pm
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Quote from Patashu:
I'm glad that you allow leaderboards to be ranked by in-game time or by real time without loads as elected by the community Smiley


showing VERY STRONG support for this.
I want off the ride....
Good luck with this. If you need some help maybe after the tracker gets updated (for marathons) i'll see about pitching in. Maybe by helping out with an SRL app. But for now... I'm focused on work and the tracker.
INTJ
Quote:
Issues with forums at the moment:

The technical implementation may be a concern.

Ideally, your IRC account, SRL account, and forums account would all be linked together. This is an extremely complicated technical database/backend issue and somebody would have to rig it all together. There may be issues as well if the forums software updates and then breaks the hacked together system somehow. Looking for solutions on how to approach this issue


Disclaimer: I have never done anything of the sort before, so my ideas are mainly that - brainstorming ideas - with no real reference.

Linking together (Creation):
The easiest thing I can think of would be to write a simple program that converts the accounts from one system to another and keeps track of their linking in a 1:1:1 format. This would allow for all accounts of a specific user to be linked together while not messing with the original software of the Forums/IRC/Leaderboards. This would also allow for updating the individual software - in worst case you'll have to modify the link-software, which should be kept simple enough anyway for that not to be a problem.

Creating an account could be done in either the forums or the leaderboards.. Or probably simpler - have one site for that and link to it from all sides, which creates a consistent set of accounts for all platforms.

Linking together (Update additional information):
This is something you will have to decide whether it's worth the effort, or whether users should keep their Leaderboard/Forums/IRC profile updated individually. Or are you even going to make a "global profile"?

My gut feeling is, that this would be too much effort to link together all the additional[optional] information for how little merit it seems to have  (maybe if you decide for 'one profile'..?). I mean - if you simply want to link the accounts together on creation to make sure you know who the individual user is and prevent 'stealing ID', then you don't need any more than that. The problem with wanting to synchronize all accounts would be, that it could potentially create a lot of server load. You either need to constantly check all accounts for potential changes to synchronize or have some other function in place to start the synchronization process.

Linking together (Displaying information from "the other platform/account"):
API? Reading directly from the DB? Have the "linking table" also keep track of some values? Would you actually need that?

Linking together (Already existing accounts):
This is potentially extremely tricky. But as far as I know, you only currently have the IRC accounts - so those would be the basis?
While you want to make sure it works out in the end, keep in mind that this is going to be a one-time-thing. Unfortunately I have no clever suggestion for this.

Summary:
In any case, having a separate mini-program that sews it all together would be the easiest solution in concept, but the actual implementation may prove to be suboptimal (As I have no idea what other ideas could work out). Besides, I have no idea how IRC works... Which might be the main issue here.
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Or probably simpler - have one site for that and link to it from all sides, which creates a consistent set of accounts for all platforms.

This was something I've planned around and desired to create for a long time, an independent central login/profile site for speedrunners. But that's something that needs to exist as a wholly independent entity from any existing site, not as a part of SRL or anything (the whole point in the long term would be to link communities together).

Forums, and especially linking accounts to them, smells of feature creep. The leaderboards project has enough scope problems as is that I think forums should be put out of mind until after the LB is up.
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kirkq: 2013-08-13 09:38:32 am
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kirkq: 2013-08-13 05:20:00 am
Die Hard 2013.
Well the problem as I see it is that it's easier to plan to implement "global usernames" for SRL now then it is after you've put forums up and everyone already has 3 accounts.  We already want to tie IRC race accounts to SRL site accounts, but we don't want to make it so you have to get on IRC to register.  Separately, we really need some central place of discussion for leaderboards categories, submitted runs, and moderator discussions.  We've discussed operating off of an SDA subforum.  The issue of crossing accounts comes in again.  IRC doesn't do it, and lack of a central place of discussion will be a huge headache upon launch.  I currently see forums as helping the launch substantially, and I see solving the global usernames problem as easier now than later.  When I say global I'm referring mostly to SRL IRC, forums, and website.

An independent "speedrunner login site" is actually a pretty novel idea, are you envisioning a gamer profile/social media type website in the long term?

Leaderboards needs some user account method, and I'm not sure the SRL IRC accounts are a good point to start.  It is a scope problem, but it is also a long term planning problem.  I'd like to hear out other long term proposed solutions.  How would you want the state of accounts to be in 2 years?
For linking accounts on IRC and forums, you could have a a two-way password system.  When linking them, the forum account would receive a short code via pm, and the IRC account would receive a different short code.  Then you would use the IRC-given code and enter it in the forum, and the forum-given code and send it to a bot.  The code would only need to be a few characters, and would expire in 10 or so minutes.

The issue with this is the IRC bot(s) which would give the IRC-code, and take the forum-code.  I'm not familiar with making IRC bots so I do not know how difficult this would be.

The alternative of the global gamer profile thing sounds interesting as well.  You could create a profile on this site, and then link it to your twitch account, IRC account, etc.  This could be done with the same method I proposed for the IRC-forum account linking.
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EDIT: since I sacrificed my first post for the good cause, I want to remind you that I would be happy to help out with coding. I have extensive knowledge in Web programming as well as desktop programming with C++/C#/Java and dont have a problem with learning new languages either. I have coded all sorts of speedrunning apps aswell as an IRC bot used for WR documentation etc - I would be glad to do so with inclusion of SRLeaderboards.
I have talked to Puchie about this already and well see when we actually get started ^.^

ontopic
A global ID for everything is the way to go imho. I like to compare it to the StackExchange network - They use one global login for every page, yet partially separate profiles that link to each other. This is a very nice approach to prevent the user from needing to create x accounts, but still keeps it somewhat separate. Just an idea.
umad
Hello,

I would like to bring up a concern regarding TA (pausing the timer). As submission to SDA is my main priority in making recorded runs, I prefer to use a DVD recorder to record runs in order to reliably get good quality videos. I've had a lot of problems with recording with a capture card in the past (not the least of which is massive frame drops) and I feel much more comfortable just recording on my DVD recorder. Additionally, my current laptop is unable to record for any substantial amount of time without overheating or bluescreening because it's so bad and the fan is broken. Even if I did have a good laptop, though, I would still prefer using a DVD recorder just for the sake of ease and reliability. I could get a DVD recorder with a hard drive, but that would cost me a ton of money that I'm not willing to shell out at the moment. So if I do runs longer than 2 hours, I need to switch DVDs. I think if TA runs are to be limited in any way, it should be done in the manner of Kirkq's proposal (adding a 5-10 second penalty for pausing the timer) so that I don't need to either buy an expensive hard drive recorder or sacrifice reliability by recording with a capture card (ignoring the cost of buying a new laptop, which I do plan on doing eventually).

Another concern I have is the suspicion cast on those who do not stream their runs. I personally cannot stream speed run attempts for the simple reason that I do not find it enjoyable: it puts a ton of pressure on me, makes me feel like I'm being watched over my shoulder, and resultingly both takes the fun out of speedrunning and ruins my ability to play well. I don't want to do speed runs anymore if I have to stream all my runs in order for them to be seen as legitimate. While I have no problem streaming races, I need privacy when I'm doing actual runs.
just drop me a line if you're interested in using taiga forum for the account system (either via the sda forum or another, new forum). tf has a nice api that i wrote so that the sda queue and knowledge base could use a single login. there are lots of other goodies in the api too like posting as an arbitrary user, editing posts, sending pms, etc. i can provide the documentation and help you get set up.
Yes, a cucco riding the ground.
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Another concern I have is the suspicion cast on those who do not stream their runs. I personally cannot stream speed run attempts for the simple reason that I do not find it enjoyable: it puts a ton of pressure on me, makes me feel like I'm being watched over my shoulder, and resultingly both takes the fun out of speedrunning and ruins my ability to play well. I don't want to do speed runs anymore if I have to stream all my runs in order for them to be seen as legitimate. While I have no problem streaming races, I need privacy when I'm doing actual runs.

SDA has always taken the stance that a run should be judged by its own merits. I highly doubt this will change, so your runs will always be welcome here whether or not you do live streaming. If this other site calls non-streamed runs (i.e. the vast majority of runs on SDA) "suspicious," I say ignore them. They're not the authority on speed running.
just( •_•)>⌐■-■ ..... (⌐■_■)wing it
imo streaming runs should just be used as credibility or whatever.  not streaming runs makes it suspicious but not all cases are bad. 
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kirkq: 2013-08-13 06:56:12 pm
Die Hard 2013.
Nate, we may take you up on that fairly soon when we get a better idea of where we are going.  I appreciate the offer to help.

I tend to agree with ing's TA concern, which I had already kind of expressed in the document to work with the Japanese players.

If I submit a Super Mario 64 run 30 seconds faster than Siglemic's to SDA, is anyone going to ask questions?  With the existence of TAS-botting and the possibility of splicing, a ridiculously high level of play in a highly competitive game is pretty suspicious from someone who has never before streamed.  That's what this clause is really addressing.  It's not even a rule.  It won't apply to 99% of runs submitted.  I can word the document a little clearer, but I think you guys are taking this one a bit out of context.
Yes, a cucco riding the ground.
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If I submit a Super Mario 64 run 30 seconds faster than Siglemic's to SDA, is anyone going to ask questions?

Yes. That's one of the main purposes of verification. We look for signs of cheating and ask the runner to explain themselves if something doesn't seem right. While cheating is still possible under this system, it's no easier than it would be if live streaming were required. If someone puts together a cheated run, it's just as easy to play the video on a stream as it is to submit it here. In fact, it would be even easier to cheat under the streaming system outlined in the document; once someone has "proven their skills" by streaming, any video they play on their stream will be considered legitimate after only a cursory viewing. Also, this is the only description I saw of the process to decide whether or not a player is skilled enough to have done a run legitimately:

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- When Flagged, runs should be determined by Moderators to be "credible" or "questionable" and a determination will be made whether or not to remove them from the leaderboards.

...

- A questionable run may require further evaluation if it meets a sufficient claim.

...

- Unexplainably high/consistent level of play or extremely favorable randomness may be sufficient claim.

...

- A questionable run may or may not be included on the leaderboards at the discretion of the moderators with community input, and should include an objective note about the questionable issue if included.


It seems very cliquish and unfair that the moderators get to decree which players are skilled and which are unskilled. A run should be judged by its own merit, not by preconceptions about the runner.
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kirkq: 2013-08-13 06:48:55 pm
Die Hard 2013.
The clause basically says if a run is ridiculously good to the point of being nearly unexplainable outside of TASing/splicing/or spending multiple thousands of hours on the game, and no one knows this person and he never streams, then the run might not be listed on leaderboards if the community largely agrees that it is more likely TASed/spliced.  If the person wants to prove his skill at the game by streaming and showing similar level of play, the run may later be added.  The moderator or game moderator should ideally administer these decisions with community feedback.

Modified quote: "It seems very cliquish and unfair that the people who verify runs at SDA get to decree what is or isn't cheating."  Isn't that what SDA does?  Somebody somewhere has to decide something about these runs or nobody makes a website.  Obviously a run with no live reactive commentary and no button sounds and no controller cam carries the same weight as a run that wasn't streamed.  In my opinion you're picking apart words and providing cases that don't actually apply.  It's possible that it isn't made clear in the document that they don't apply.

Every video on leaderboards is largely assumed legitimate until either proven otherwise, or known largely by multiple people and sensible metrics to be highly questionable.  You're assuming a general moderator can't make unbiased decisions.  While I think it's possible a game moderator might be a little shady for his game once in a while, if it's shown to be the case through forums discussion, he'll probably get removed and discrepancies re-addressed.  I don't see a core issue here.  I only see discrepancies about the possibility of discrepancies, which will always exist.

Whether you like it or not, preconceptions about the runner can offer 1 of a multitude of factors in determining if a run is legitimate.  Claiming that's not a valid metric seems naive.

We're trying to put words to express general intentions regarding gray area cases.  Do you have better wordings to offer?  Do you just want me to delete the paragraph and say it's implied, or do you want leaderboards to blindly accept anything that appears to be a speedun even if sense tells us there are probably 120 splicing points?
The biggest complaint I can see from the entire doc is the line about  "No opting Out. Take your video off the internet if you don't want it shown"

I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna go around asking SDA to take down my runs, or pulling stuff off my youtube for the sake of whatever system you go through. I understand if you want to use the race times I do on SRL for this leaderboard because I assumed it was part of the Terms of Service that doesn't exist that any time I achieved in a race can be used in SRL for whatever they deem worthy of it. If your having users make accounts and such then its up to the runners to publish those times on your leaderboard. Lets say someone has a speedrun of a game on youtube and has never heard of SDA/SRL, you going to grab those runs for your leaderboard and almost no way (except the original source of the run) to contact the runner?

What if I want to post my finished run (as in I'm moving on because I don't want to throw my hands in a grinder for better luck, or seconds that would probably get lost somewhere else in the run) and get the ball rolling for others to pick up where I left it and carry it further down the field. I don't want people coming back to me and saying "That guy took your record... go get it back!!" I don't care, leave me alone. I already had pms for games on PS3/360 where they see my name in top 10 and go "HOHO those achieves easy, you so bad QQ" and I send them a simple "fuck you" and move on.

Leaderboards only work if both parties (the organizers on 1 side, the runners on another) are in agreement. If runners don't want to post, the organizers can't say "too bad, its on the internet and if you don't put it up we will do it for you" Theres a reason I'm usually against in game leaderboards, or displayable ladder systems that give you an exact mmr or position. Being told "oh your in Gold V, and this guy is in Plat I... or your in High and I'm in normal" is enough to prod and when YOU (this case the runner) move up as a sign of improvement but not enough to hold it against someone as a form of blackmail. Sure its nice when I see a familiar name when I go check the leaderboards like I did for DLC Quest, but when I'm ready to move on, I move on and never look back.

Only issue is for pauses, breaks can and will happen if the game is long enough. If I want to run a game thats 12+ hours long, I have to plan months in advance for one or two chances to run the game. The average gamer isn't going to have 12 hours every weekend if an attempt goes south to reschedule because they might have to wait for the next 4 day weekend for another chance. Things happen and as long as action isn't happening like at a pause screen or something, stopping the timer for a phone call shouldn't mean your RTA attempt is now in the toilet. I wouldn't have even planned on doing Landstalker if there weren't enough cutscenes for me to pee every hour with wireless controller in hand (it started on VC, not the Steam version that I decided on running for a small time.) I ran that game once a month for about 6 months because it was the only time I was guaranteed 3 hours of consecutive play, and there are those who take 10 hour weekends in stride. When was the last time your pub game of (insert multiplayer game here) had a pause or something because someone had to use the restroom or internet troubles, its more frequent than you consider.
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CosmoWright: 2013-08-13 07:57:15 pm
The purpose of the leaderboards is to be the centralized place to find an up to date, accurate listing of speedruns for a game/category. If opting out were possible, and you could not submit for others, this then decentralizes and fragments the entire system, as the information is now scattered across the internet (much in the way things are now). It subverts the entire purpose of this project.
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kirkq: 2013-08-13 08:16:34 pm
Die Hard 2013.
I've been relatively split on the issue. 

Some people want all the information.  That viewpoint is basically like Cosmo posted, so I won't elaborate that viewpoint.

The other thought is that it doesn't hurt the site to lack a few videos here and there.  Arguably the competition will be substantial enough with the times supplied.  At the same time I tend to think the site will be successful enough such that being on the leaderboard is desirable, so it could be the non-submitter's loss.

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Addressing stuff I don't agree with in Hsanrb's argument:

1: The source of the run is most often going to provide a reliable point of contact for the runner.

2: "Race times" do not go on leaderboards, only videos, which could or could not be from a race.  By racing on SRL, SRL does not get the copyrights to your videos.  Copyright basically gives you the right to choose where/if to upload your video.  It does not give you general rights over who can link to said uploads.

3: No one needs "permission" to link to your Youtube videos.  Legal precedent clearly shows that linking to something on the internet is legal.  As far as I know I can go make a Reddit thread about one of your videos or records and get 100 people discussing it.  They might post garbage comments on your video.

4: No one needs a terms of service explicit or implied to document your time in a speedrun race.  If SRL didn't exist and I was watching you on twitch, I could document your race time.

5: "Leaderboards only work if both parties (the organizers on 1 side, the runners on another) are in agreement."  - This is an over-generalization.  No one is ever going to entirely agree.  Just because you have a point on which some people disagree does not imply that leaderboards cannot work.

6: Your paragraph about people insulting your run doesn't really make sense to me.  Firstly you wanted to post your run so others can utilize it, however you don't want it publicized in a way that would supply the knowledge to more people.  You have it on Youtube.  It's public and it's vulnerable to people being assholes.  Just because leaderboards is one possible source for garbage comments, it doesn't necessary follow that leaderboards should not be able to link to it.  There are many other sources for garbage comments that you cannot legally prevent from linking to your video.

I'm trying to be open to differing viewpoints, but I disagree with a lot of your statements.

EDIT: ((I'm going to bed shortly.  I'll respond again tomorrow morning or afternoon.))
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presjpolk: 2013-08-13 09:52:51 pm
HELLO!
Quote from CosmoWright:
The purpose of the leaderboards is to be the centralized place to find an up to date, accurate listing of speedruns for a game/category. If opting out were possible, and you could not submit for others, this then decentralizes and fragments the entire system, as the information is now scattered across the internet (much in the way things are now). It subverts the entire purpose of this project.


So you're going to be openly hostile to anyone who wishes not to participate in your site?

That's not a community. That's a hijacking.

Your  little minions banned me from your IRC. Have the courtesy to keep me off of your boards.
Heres where I stand on the issue, I don't want any of my runs on the leaderboards. HOWEVER I may be willing to budge on the runs I have on SDA (MBM, Jumping Flash!) However there are group of runs (Landstalker, Ristar, Super Metroid, Cave Story, etc) that are in my casual grouping that I'd prefer not being touched with a ten-foot pole. Maybe my casual runs will help get movement going when people look up stuff on youtube, or I'd post my WIP's in game topics found here, but theres a difference between showing various strategies in a full game route setting, vs watching those same runs on a leaderboard because maybe I'm experimenting with things in a full game setting to determine if routing changes effect the flow (not enough $$$ or XP, item management, time cut vs time saved with extra grinding)

People are always going to dick around in youtube comments, but people sometimes take leaderboards as gospel (remember when SM64 was big, and everyone quoted the SDA time that was like 2:11 120) when in actuality it just happens that the strats used are outdated, or improvements never got submitted because things that were out of the question in SS, became the norm. Poking fun at the old time might have been in good fun, but being the butt of a good joke sometimes spirals too deep to where the fun stops.

I don't know how many entries are going on a game/catagory list (is it 1, 3, 5, 10, anyone who wants to run the game?) but what good is updating it every time someone improves VS the runner saying "I'm done, lets put on youtube encode make sure its watchable, upload and FINISHED" and the runner sends their one solid run when the player is satisfied. Theres alot of people who might say "You might have been impressed, this run is awful yatta yatta yatta... then 3 months later they get a solid time. Beats the run viewers are impressed with and the runner says THAT TIME SO GOOD!

Most of the speedruns I've done I'd regret showing or uploading, sometimes I thought I had a good time, but when I look back at the run I'm like "Why did I send that to SDA/TSSB, please reject so I can actually polish it up to the standard it deserves.?" I'm almost embarassed to say I actually was happy with the two runs on site, and if I'm not happy with them, why should I expect a leaderboard displaying the fastest known runs to guilt me into more shame from how widely known it could be.
Strictly speaking, casual runs will only be posted on the leaderboards if the runner posts them on it.  The very point of the leaderboards is so people will be wary of what the best times are, and how they compare.  Outdated times being mistaken for records are something the leaderboards will attempt to mitigate.
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CosmoWright: 2013-08-13 10:05:31 pm
Quote from presjpolk:
So you're going to be openly hostile to anyone who wishes not to participate in your site?

I dont feel like linking to a youtube video on a website is hostile behavior? Please re-read kirkq's latest post carefully.

Quote from Hsanrb:
why should I expect a leaderboard displaying the fastest known runs to guilt me into more shame from how widely known it could be.

The purpose is not to "guilt you" into improving it (that is entirely up to you). It is to spread information about what speedruns for that game/category are available online. The leaderboards are a resource to find speedruns. Nowhere on the leaderboards does it suggest the runs are of high quality and the best that player was capable of, only that they exist. The leaderboards are not trying to say you are not skillful for not being #1.
SEGA Junkie
In practice, what are the two most likely situations that somebody would submit a leaderboard time on someone else's behalf in good faith?
* The run is the best known time for a given game (keeps leaderboard accurate, increases the knowledge of a game overall)
* There is a sufficient language barrier that the runner is unable to submit or unaware of how to submit.

If proxy submissions could be limited to these two situations I think a lot of these issues would be avoided. I don't think there's a lot of value to the leaderboards in people submitting other people's half-assed times just for the sake of having a larger leaderboard.

That said...

Quote from Hsanrb:
What if I want to post my finished run (as in I'm moving on because I don't want to throw my hands in a grinder for better luck, or seconds that would probably get lost somewhere else in the run) and get the ball rolling for others to pick up where I left it and carry it further down the field. I don't want people coming back to me and saying "That guy took your record... go get it back!!" I don't care, leave me alone. I already had pms for games on PS3/360 where they see my name in top 10 and go "HOHO those achieves easy, you so bad QQ" and I send them a simple "fuck you" and move on.


On some level, you have to have a thick skin about things like that. You know what you want to achieve with that, and that's really all that should matter. Any legitimate harassment should be handled outside of that, and isn't really the leaderboards' concern.
HELLO!
It's incredibly disrespectful to say that people should have to endure the harassment of the SRL community on their works. I've already had to be moderating my Youtube videos, banning SRL community trolls from my page.

SRL using my name and my works on their site will only increase the level of SRL harassment I get.

In any case it sounds like the way to thwart the use of any SDA time is to beat it. Then it's not a WR anymore, and then you have no video to link to.