Sonic Heroes With a Vengeance!

2006-04-01 06:36:22 pm

Angered Me, You have!

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I played this game so many times trying to speedrun it I actually got sick of it. And everybody throwing those TSC times in my face didn't make me feel any better either.

Illuminated, you've acted ungratefully for quite some time now and something has to be said. Why on earth would you say that people "throw those TSC times in your face"? Did Shadowgamer & ever say: "Here, take a look at this record/strategy and be lucky you'd get a time near them"? All that he and others have done is to try guiding you getting heavenly times etc. I have seldom seen you show your appreciation towards them for giving you their strategy. Not good.

Paused

2006-04-01 07:40:25 pm

Thats a relief. I had come close to saying something myself, but held back because I just thought I was constantly misinterprating the situation. At least I am not the only one, who feels completly unappreciated in this topic. (Not that I did a whole lot compared to Saestrol, Shadowgamer and others who gave full level strats, but still.)

Saestrol

2006-04-02 03:50:20 am

Speed Running Joy-bringer

Hey now what's going on here?

I finally get a chance to do this, and parts of hell are coming loose here. I really don't think I need to say this but the TSC times are not expected (not unless we have an individual level/segmented run going on here. (Segmenting by using a new file...I think). I'm focusing on some other aspects for now, so I wouldn't exactly worry about getting a run full of TSC times. But I understand how you could get sick of running this game for awhile.

Since I went and did one today. No, I didn't do any practice runs, and didn't try out every single level before doing this, but I just went and did this one for the hell of at least having an attempt at it down with my memory. Final Time:

1:35:26

I underestimated how much time it would actually take to do a single segment Hero Story. Not only that, but that's not even a good time. That's because unlike last time, my run went to HELL and back. I won't expand over what happened (actually a whole bunch of strange crap happened that favored and unfavorably tagged me) unless you guys really want to know.... But Here is what an estimated, GOOD time could be marked around:

1:25-1:20-ish

Subtract 4-6 minutes from lost time, then about 4 more from optimization, and that would be the limit-- a bit under 1:20. THIS is the goal of the SS from what I can place it as now for team Hero.

Hey now what's going on here?

I finally get a chance to do this, and parts of hell are coming loose here. I really don't think I need to say this but the TSC times are not expected (not unless we have an individual level/segmented run going on here. (Segmenting by using a new file...I think). I'm focusing on some other aspects for now, so I wouldn't exactly worry about getting a run full of TSC times. But I understand how you could get sick of running this game for [u]awhile[/u].

Since I went and did one today. No, I didn't do any practice runs, and didn't try out every single level before doing this, but I just went and did this one for the hell of at least having an attempt at it down with my memory. Final Time:

[b]1:35:26[/b]

I underestimated how much time it would actually take to do a single segment Hero Story. Not only that, but that's not even a good time. That's because unlike last time, my run went to HELL and back. I won't expand over what happened (actually a whole bunch of strange crap happened that favored and unfavorably tagged me) unless you guys really want to know.... But Here is what an estimated, GOOD time could be marked around:

1:25-1:20-ish

Subtract 4-6 minutes from lost time, then about 4 more from optimization, and that would be the limit-- a bit under 1:20. THIS is the goal of the SS from what I can place it as now for team Hero.

illuminated

2006-04-02 05:42:11 am

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Illuminated, you've acted ungratefully for quite some time now and something has to be said. Why on earth would you say that people "throw those TSC times in your face"? Did Shadowgamer & ever say: "Here, take a look at this record/strategy and be lucky you'd get a time near them"? All that he and others have done is to try guiding you getting heavenly times etc. I have seldom seen you show your appreciation towards them for giving you their strategy. Not good.

Ouch. But yeah, I had that comming. Still, I'm a bit confused here. Some people say 'its okay, come as close as you can', while others say 'no thats not good, if you do it this way it will be a terrible run'. (i may be exadurating). That, and personal problems which cause me to have a huge chip on my sholder at the moment, and I vent at the wrong things. So now I feel bad about my rants. (Plus I must look really stupid ragging on TSC since I've become a member.) But now I'm starting to realise how friggin hard speedrunning a Sonic game is. You'd think a game based on speed would be a little easy to run. WRONG. Man, I learned a harsh lesson.

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Illuminated, you've acted ungratefully for quite some time now and something has to be said. Why on earth would you say that people "throw those TSC times in your face"? Did Shadowgamer & ever say: "Here, take a look at this record/strategy and be lucky you'd get a time near them"? All that he and others have done is to try guiding you getting heavenly times etc. I have seldom seen you show your appreciation towards them for giving you their strategy. Not good.[/quote]

Ouch. But yeah, I had that comming. Still, I'm a bit confused here. Some people say 'its okay, come as close as you can', while others say 'no thats not good, if you do it this way it will be a terrible run'. (i may be exadurating). That, and personal problems which cause me to have a huge chip on my sholder at the moment, and I vent at the wrong things. So now I feel bad about my rants. (Plus I must look really stupid ragging on TSC since I've become a member.) But now I'm starting to realise how friggin hard speedrunning a Sonic game is. You'd think a game based on speed would be a little easy to run. WRONG. Man, I learned a harsh lesson.

AngerFist

2006-04-02 11:05:52 am

Angered Me, You have!

I thought you agreed on "do your best" approach with this run. We have seen what you can perform, we liked it (some of us have enjoyed it a lot, like me) and still want you to finish it. Sure there will always be someone pointing out some flaws, but thats the process of speedrunning. If I am not mistaken, your first plan was to do the run segmented, then all the sudden you got little bit cocky Tongue

(I aint complaining) and wanted to do the run in SS. I think it would be better if you could return to your original idea of doing this run in Segments, knowing how difficult it can be. Now, get your arse back working on your run!

Saestrol

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Saestrol: 2006-04-03 03:36:37 pm

2006-04-03 03:31:31 pm

Speed Running Joy-bringer

Err... Illuminated... that may not be a bad idea. I seriously got destroyed with that time. (can you say death?).

I'm saying this because this may be the type of game that looks more impressive as a segmented, rather than a one shot 11% chance of doing superb in one go. Everything we discussed get's nerly tattered when you approch these one after another. If there was practice, things could STILL go horribly wrong. (for example: hitting a particular set of hoops in egg fortress cause characters to trick BACKWARDS, so when I try to get on the rail, they turn around with a wide radius, miss the rail and then 5 seconds later... "Nooooooo!"

If by chance anybody wants to know what happened... lol, but I learned a lot and could probably give a few more tips to help out now.

illuminated

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illuminated: 2006-04-04 11:09:20 pm

2006-04-04 07:17:14 am

I decided to meet this half-way. Segmented, but 3 levels per segment.

So it would go: Level, Level, Boss. I'll do the best I can.

Try and stop me!

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA

Julie_Anderson

2006-04-06 02:28:43 am

Woo-Wee!

"Go,go,go, and keep on going!" - That dice guy from Mario Party Advance

illuminated

2006-04-06 02:33:08 am

Now if someone could tell me how the hell you beat Egg Fleet in under seven minutes...

BloodJoshi

2006-04-06 08:32:50 am

i did it first time out. i think it's about using Team Blast at the correct time

Saestrol

2006-04-06 03:32:15 pm

Speed Running Joy-bringer

And how I say.

"With a vengance"? Very nice...

For the Egg Fleet, you need to really need to watch your six. What I reccomend it that you Blast in the following two spots:

After a rail leading to a E-2000 robot and 3 cannons with a cage over the switch to turn the fan on.

Third time you rise up a tornado pole.

illuminated

2006-04-07 08:10:21 pm

New time on Egg Fleet...6:00. Um...good or not? I can't seem to find any shortcuts.

AngerFist

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AngerFist: 2006-04-07 09:49:41 pm

2006-04-07 09:48:23 pm

Angered Me, You have!

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New time on Egg Fleet...6:00. Um...good or not? I can't seem to find any shortcuts.

Here are some times (from the player erdani) from Egg Fleet so you can somewhat compare with:

Stage: With: Time: Date:

Egg Fleet Sonic 5:08:59 02-26-06
Egg Fleet Dark 4:57:93 01-16-06
Egg Fleet Rose 3:07:63 02-02-06
Egg Fleet Chaotix 2:35:71 02-02-06

illuminated

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illuminated: 2006-04-07 10:05:54 pm

2006-04-07 09:59:19 pm

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Here are some times (from the player erdani) from Egg Fleet so you can somewhat compare with:

Stage: With: Time: Date:

Egg Fleet Sonic 5:08:59 02-26-06

FAWK! So close yet so far. But still working on it.

edit: now just under 6 minutes.

Tbromyard

2006-04-07 10:54:15 pm

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Ok, here's my improved run.3:28:76 I could probably beat this run by 1 or 2 seconds. To get an A rank would add about 25-30 seconds.
http://files.filefront.com/Sonic_Heroszip/;4587926;;/fileinfo.html

And here's an outtake of me dying by falling through solid ground...again.
http://files.filefront.com/SH_Outtakezip/;4587784;;/fileinfo.html

Which run is this of? Just Final Story or Team Sonic's story?

illuminated

2006-04-07 11:23:00 pm

team Sonic. My time on that level has been greatly improved since then by the way.

Julie_Anderson

2006-04-08 12:16:37 am

Woo-Wee!

"With a Vengence"

I like it! Grin

StrangenessDSS

2006-04-08 05:26:46 am

Sleeping Terror

Sheesh, none of you can spell "vengeance"...

illuminated

2006-04-08 05:58:10 am

I spelt it wrong? How embariskins.

Julie_Anderson

2006-04-08 04:38:11 pm

Woo-Wee!

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Sheesh, none of you can spell "vengeance"...

Well aren't you smart. Wink

illuminated

2006-04-08 06:25:09 pm

Lrts not start a whole thing here. I'd hate for my topic to be locked now that I'm all gung ho about doing this again.

Anyway, I almost got Egg Fleet down pretty good. I just need to practice the castle stages abit more.

And the godawful Bingo Highway. Tongue

Saestrol

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Saestrol: 2006-04-10 08:06:40 pm

2006-04-10 07:58:04 pm

Speed Running Joy-bringer

It's not GAWD-auful... it's just awfully UNFAIR. Soo many different escapes with that level, but they barely evey work.

EDIT: To be on the safe side, I'm going along with "vengeance". That's how ya do it.

illuminated

2006-04-11 04:24:18 am

Barely under 5:30 now. How do they do it? I've been practicing this level way too much, but truth be told its kinda my favorite one (Egg Fleet).

Julie_Anderson

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Julie_Anderson: 2006-04-12 01:07:13 am

2006-04-12 01:07:03 am

Woo-Wee!

*slightly off-topic* Does anyone know whatever happened to the Sonic Center? If you go to www.soniccenter.org , you uhh...see for yourself.

mike89

2006-04-12 01:43:39 am

SEGA Junkie

Yeah, we've changed some stuff around. The new default skin is badass, don't you agree?