Secret of Mana

2005-08-30 10:08:39 am

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Well, if the run is fun maybe... but then I'd go for a 2player completion.

The downside would be that I'd be using the german PAL version where you'd have to suffer from the german translation.

For example when the moblins (are they moblins? you'll know what) put the boy into the cauldron and he's rescued by the girl one of the moblins says "Schnell, die Lindenstraße fängt gleich an" - "Hurry, Lindenstraße is about to air", where Lindenstraße is a german soap opera. In a japano style rpg just heresy.

DateHell

2005-08-30 03:36:02 pm

po0oq

I'm sure the following glitch can be altered to work solo...
I found this bug together with my brother..... not saying we were the first or the only ones.... but just that we found it ourselves Tongue

1) player B has a weapon that can 'charge' 2 bars, and a weapon that can charge 1 bar
2) player B charges his '2 bars' on that weapon
3) player A equips the weapon that player B can charge only 1 bar with
4) player A swaps his weapon with player B
5) player B now has charged 2 bars but can only charge 1 bar...... resulting in a glitch...
6) player B's bar will charge very fast and all the way to the maximum level..... allowing for 999 hits on very early levels

I'm not sure if you could use this to improve your run or if it's even allowed.... anyway it's a kickass bug!

DateHell

2005-08-30 03:43:23 pm

po0oq

additional info:
-needs to be done with 2 players minimum
-only confirmed for PAL

I just tested it, can't enter the 'menu' while charged, so using this solo is (afaik) impossible....
anyway it should speed up 2/3-player runs aLOT.... if somebody is interested Smiley

DateHell

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DateHell: 2005-08-30 04:22:53 pm

2005-08-30 03:51:26 pm

po0oq

ok just registered Tongue

one more thing..
after activating the glitch (step 4), don't wait too long.... there will be a point after which your attack would be 'normal' again... as if you never charged anything

Gorash

2005-08-30 05:13:54 pm

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I'd be more interested in the quick leveling trick that I saw on the ntsc game emulated.

The basic idea was:
- girl casts magic barrier on all three
- girl casts magic barrier again, it gets deflected and a random enemy gets it
- the one called purim here casts mud slide lv7 on the enemy
- mud slide gets deflected and hits the girl for 800+ hp -> the girl dies
- both boy and purim gain an instant level.

I've tried that on the PAL console and it didn't work.

Krabbe

2005-08-30 09:03:36 pm

baum.

good job seiken. im finally online. getting internet took forever. 5:27?? Respect bro. looking forward to see it. just convert the whole thing so we can finally enjoy the first ever made som run.

Good work seiken :rockout: :rocker:

I have a question for Radix. can you use a program called Divx ProDoctor. i dont know the exact name but it can basically do all the stuff you need to compress the vid file. cutting off edges. compressing sound and picture and all that. i dont mean divx create not this simple version there's a bigger one you probably know. would it be okay to use that program. Although Virtual Dub is a really good pr. the other one is just simpler to use and wouldnt cause as much trouble... good night, Krabbe

seiken

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seiken: 2005-08-31 05:18:19 pm

2005-08-31 05:13:40 pm

Secret of Mana

Ah Krabbe you come back Wink

5h27 is the old run ;), the new is about...5h10 Huh?

I finished Pureland in about 4h15-4h20, the stupid crap/boring training before the Mana Forteress is responsable ( 26 Min of training and preparations), i hope i will see a day your trick Wink

DateHell and Gorash :
Yes i tried too your bugs, but it didn't work with me ( i was too alone ).

DateHell

2005-08-31 05:19:57 pm

po0oq

correct, but you should try it with a 2nd controller some time (im sure you have one).... you'r gonna be amazed what a lvl10 char can crank out Smiley

I know I did the boss in the waterpalace in 1 hit.... and the first 'wall'-boss aswell... can't remember the others tbh

seiken

2005-08-31 05:31:08 pm

Secret of Mana

Yes, and there boss who take huge time even if you spam it, like Lime Slime ( yes, the first ), Blue Spike, Hexas, and the worst : Dark Lich.
Just with these you can improve at least...perharps 30 Min Shocked

For the Mana Beast, just use mana sword remains perhaps the best, me, i use it with charged at level 1 and 2 spell of Luna ( Purim ), about 460 damages each times, even if i have low level.

seiken

2005-09-03 11:48:08 pm

Secret of Mana

Hello

I will move in a room student without internet and i will pratically never come back until July 2006.

For the bug, i'll see later Roll Eyes

2 last things for the run :

1-I said that in a older post of this topic :

Quote:

Note : in the speed run you can use spells and items ( =objets ) of care near a door of an other room : just after the blue/green number appears you use the door, you don't lost a few seconds at each time by waiting the heros can move ^^

I don't do that for the spells ( i wait animation is totally finished ), because you have the freeze bug ( screen lighter ) in 100% of the cases, so don't be surprised when i wait behind a door ( or just in front of a event which put your char in a other room ) after to do a spell.
This freeze bug doesn't change anything in the game, it's just pathethic to watch... ( You haven't any freeze bug in the run ).

2-In fact, in my last run, i kill the Mana Beast with Mana Sword charged at level 2 = 700-780 damage, better than the level 1 = 450 damage because each time you have the 0-)100% bar so you have better rapport damage/time by this way.

I move tomorrow.
If Radix doesn't accept the run, i hope archive.org will accept it, and there is too a person of this forum who have too servers and will perharps accept the run in this case, i don't have more the time to put in on P2M ( I have already send the VHS to Nate and haven't captured it before because i had always bad initial capture Angry

).

I come back in one year lol and i will do other speed runs, and at first with Secret of Mana if it doesn't accepted Wink

In the order of my futurs projects : Secret of Mana ( if it doesn't accepted ) - SD1/FFA/MQ - Heroes of Migth and Magic 2/3 - Lands of Lore.

Good bye Wink

Hello  ;)

I will move in a room student without internet and i will pratically never come back until July 2006.

For the bug, i'll see later  ::)

2 last things for the run :

1-I said that in a older post of this topic :

[quote]Note : in the speed run you can use spells and items ( =objets ) of care near a door of an other room : just after the blue/green number appears you use the door, you don't lost a few seconds at each time by waiting the heros can move ^^ [/quote]

I don't do that for the spells ( i wait animation is totally finished ), because you have the freeze bug ( screen lighter ) in 100% of the cases, so don't be surprised when i wait behind a door ( or just in front of a event which put your char in a other room ) after to do a spell.
This freeze bug doesn't change anything in the game, it's just pathethic to watch... ( You haven't any freeze bug in the run ).

2-In fact, in my last run, i kill the Mana Beast with Mana Sword charged at level 2 = 700-780 damage, better than the level 1 = 450 damage because each time you have the 0-)100% bar so you have better rapport damage/time by this way.

I move tomorrow.
If Radix doesn't accept the run, i hope archive.org will accept it, and there is too a person of this forum who have too servers and will perharps accept the run in this case, i don't have more the time to put in on P2M ( I have already send the VHS to Nate and haven't captured it before because i had always bad initial capture  >:( ).

I come back in one year lol and i will do other speed runs, and at first with Secret of Mana if it doesn't accepted  ;)
In the order of my futurs projects : Secret of Mana ( if it doesn't accepted ) - SD1/FFA/MQ - Heroes of Migth and Magic 2/3 - Lands of Lore.

Good bye  ;)

Saturn

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Saturn: 2005-09-04 02:29:04 pm

2005-09-04 02:28:51 pm

Good luck, see you soon!

nstinson

2005-09-15 07:53:10 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Hey, has the run arrived to Nate yet? Any idea when it should?

guest

2005-10-09 03:17:34 am

has it been sent yet?

soteos

2005-10-09 03:26:04 am

Good question. This has to be one of the longest times ever taken to get a single run on sda. It didn't get lost in the mail, did it? What's going on with it?

Radix

2005-10-09 03:38:56 am

I'm addicted to games

I don't usually post status updates but since there's concern ...

We got it last week, it had only been postmarked 9/29 or something, so it took him over 3 weeks to mail it. It's the next major thing to be captured, after a few minor things, but nate recently had ANOTHER hard drive death (it must be the texas weather) that put the capturing machine out of comission for a few days.

soteos

2005-10-09 05:24:20 am

Ah, that's good to hear. And I just now noticed my comment makes it look like I'm shifting the blame onto you. I meant from the time seiken first started planning this run to when it will be on sda. Tongue

Sir VG

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Sir VG: 2005-10-09 12:36:58 pm

2005-10-09 12:20:46 pm

Fucking Weeaboo

This will be interesting to see. I was trying to remember if anybody was going to attempt this of if I was gonna have to crack open this game too. If I could find 2 friends I could whip it into submission since I have a multi-tap.

I have a few old gaming friends I know are still in town. It's just FINDING them. >_>;;

(Life after high school sucks. Heh.)

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nate recently had ANOTHER hard drive death

What brand and size of HD is it? With larger HDs, I recommend putting them in a HD cooler if they're gonna be running for longer periods of time. My 4 200GB HDs in my big tower are kept in such and are typically 20-30C cooler (so they're running between 30-40C instead of 50-60C). And my drives are Maxtor, BTW.

Marc_van_Worick

2005-10-09 11:48:43 pm

Guten Tag! Sauerkraut und Schweinshaxe!

Finally. Hurray! *Thumbs up*

I can't wait any longer. :S

seiken

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seiken: 2005-10-11 08:04:58 pm

2005-10-11 08:02:08 pm

Secret of Mana

Hello

Finally sometimes i will come back at home ( my house isn't very far but i moved because of the bad atmosphere ) but as i said it i haven't time to improve SOM.

I have to say yes i only finally posted the run at the end of september, i said i posted it the 30/08/10 but i was again re-playing my 7 VHS because i had really too fear of a "tap stickage" matter because one of the VHS gets hot just before to post it, then i re-play all the other, then i had a bad timing with others little things and moved in my room, so it definitely took some time Tongue

But yes, i am responsable.

I said lots of time "if the run isn't accepted, perharps...", the run isn't crap but i have fear when i read often "Yepee !" in this topic, secret of mana is a popular game so perharps you wait something like incredible, and yes it took lots of time, but i have the feeling after that of a carnage against me Tongue

If it's not accepted or even if it doesn't seems interressant, sorry after all this time, but in all the cases, i'll try harder.
But i hope the 5h10 run will be accepted.

An other news : my brother is definitely interrested for a multi-player run.
But, after reflexions, i think a run played alone is BETTER than a 2/3 players run.

-When we are 3, if someone has a big mistake after 1 h playing, that's a carnage.
-It's better to be alone for to spam the boss.
-If you run alone, the 2 others chars follow you and haven't the 0-)100% when you finish to run with your char, that's not the case when humans players follow you.
-In lots of maps you run and use/abuse "select" for to have an optimal segmented run in a room and without to be hitted by a monster, if you are alone you will have a better synchronisation Wink

-) In fact, multi-player run is interressant for to kill the 2 werewolfs when you meet Purim and the 2 others werewolfs in the castle ( just before i save with the swindler in the prison ), for the figt against Spikey Tigger, Killroy, at my training in the Ice Country, in Pureland and in a few parts of the Tree Palace. In all the case, for me, in the major part of the run it's better to run alone.
The best is to alernate, and it could be considered as a multi-player run and the differents single/multi players alterations hasn't importance ( about numbers ) Huh?

Believe to say an other bug again (!) in my run, after to kill the Red Dragon in Pureland, i'm blocked in the room after the Red Dragon is dead.... >:(.

I'll come back in a few weeks (3-4 ), i'll see what about the run.

Hello ;)
Finally sometimes i will come back at home ( my house isn't very far but i moved because of the bad atmosphere ) but as i said it i haven't time to improve SOM.

I have to say yes i only finally posted the run at the end of september, i said i posted it the 30/08/10 but i was again re-playing my 7 VHS because i had really too fear of a "tap stickage" matter because one of the VHS gets hot just before to post it, then i re-play all the other, then i had a bad timing with others little things and moved in my room, so it definitely took some time  :P
But yes, i am responsable.

I said lots of time "if the run isn't accepted, perharps...", the run isn't crap but i have fear when i read often "Yepee !" in this topic, secret of mana is a popular game so perharps you wait something like incredible, and yes it took lots of time, but i have the feeling after that of a carnage against me  :P

If it's not accepted or even if it doesn't seems interressant, sorry after all this time, but in all the cases, i'll try harder.
But i hope the 5h10 run will be accepted.

An other news : my brother is definitely interrested for a multi-player run.
But, after reflexions, i think a run played alone is BETTER than a 2/3 players run.

-When we are 3, if someone has a big mistake after 1 h playing, that's a carnage.
-It's better to be alone for to spam the boss.
-If you run alone, the 2 others chars follow you and haven't the 0-)100% when you finish to run with your char, that's not the case when humans players follow you.
-In lots of maps you run and use/abuse "select" for to have an optimal segmented run in a room and without to be hitted by a monster, if you are alone you will have a better synchronisation  ;) 
-) In fact, multi-player run is interressant for to kill the 2 werewolfs when you meet Purim and the 2 others werewolfs in the castle ( just before i save with the swindler in the prison ), for the figt against Spikey Tigger, Killroy, at my training in the Ice Country, in Pureland and in a few parts of the Tree Palace. In all the case, for me, in the major part of the run it's better to run alone.
The best is to alernate, and it could be considered as a multi-player run and the differents single/multi players alterations hasn't importance ( about numbers ) ???

Believe to say an other bug again (!) in my run, after to kill the Red Dragon in Pureland, i'm blocked in the room after the Red Dragon is dead.... >:(.

I'll come back in a few weeks (3-4 ), i'll see what about the run.

Sir VG

2005-10-11 10:30:28 pm

Fucking Weeaboo

It's not that I think your run is gonna be crap. It's just I love the game too. Maybe I'm on a Mana high *laughs*

Multi player can be faster if you have some good partners. My friends were big gamers like myself and at some games much better...though I don't know how they are on SOM.

BTW, I got my copy of SOM a long time ago, in pristine condition for $10. I so ripped that guy off. Tongue

nstinson

2005-10-13 09:49:58 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

If I had the game I would try it also... I always loved SOM

Sir VG

2005-10-13 11:23:59 pm

Fucking Weeaboo

Hey, you're in luck. All over eBay, from $5 to like $100.

http://search.ebay.com//search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=secret+of+mana

nstinson

2005-10-20 09:50:03 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

I am on part 2 right now and watching the blue lizard fight....

I love how you got him stuck there, only prob is it is taking forever for him to die:p

I also loved how you glitched mantis ant, I had never seen that before!

all in all I am liking it a lot so far:)

Gorash

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Gorash: 2005-10-21 02:42:04 am

2005-10-20 10:17:43 pm

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Finished part1 a while ago (had to watch our Go club have a team match on KGS then):
- Nice how you gave it the first boss. Didn't know that trick.
- Hilarous, the first time you get hit in the game it's for 30 dam. Any person who watches the video and has no idea of SoM must think that 2 hits kill you everywhere Tongue

- Tropicallo fight can go much better, but for such a big segment quite ok.
- These werewolf bastards. Nice trick when you park them on that border but the cost to get there... :o. I wonder how many times you had to restart because someone died there.
- Krabbe? *ROFL*

Watching segment 2 now.
- A few wasted seconds because you didn't go shopping before saving.. :(. Next time you know better.
- Very nice tiger fight. Do you just have insane reflexes or did you memorize the time he needs to recover from your hit and start his "roll-around-in-frenzy" attack?
- Is there any reason why you didn't let Sorcie warp you out?
- Boss fight before undine shows us again all facettes of the AI </sarcasm>
- Personally I'd have left the first round of undine spamming until the earth temple, saves you one night of sleep.
- Good earth boss fight. Did you try if the ice blade charm of the girl increases dam of the guy?
- Lucky you versus the robot boss. He could have killed you there... Smiley

- You lucky french people who don't have to stand the german translation...
- This is getting very interesting. The two hit = death rule seems to be getting standard for your run. Krabbe gets whipped on every enemy ;D. Eager to see the rest.

Watching segment 3 now:
- Quite suicidal your movement through the sand holes in the desert...
- As I thought, the ice blade charm rocks. Applied to boomerang it should clear you a path through everything.
- Perfect through the underground way! Respect!
- Ouch! 169 dam in one blow. Nice reminder for the viewer what you are doing there.
- What's with that invisible chest in the ruins? Is it always there or only if you missed a sword orb before?
- In retrospect, you used the diamond spell so much to get past annoying enemies, you could have omitted most of the leveling at the armor knights.
- Perfect through the palace too! I'm impressed... I always run into these ninjas...
- The boss fight in the shadow temple is the best scene so far. Pure action.

Segment 4:
- Finally someone shows me the fastest route in the moon palace. I always ran like 5 minutes in it without finding the orb.
- Didn't know the easy method for the doppelgänger either. Always learning new stuff...

Finished part1 a while ago (had to watch our Go club have a team match on KGS then):
- Nice how you gave it the first boss. Didn't know that trick.
- Hilarous, the first time you get hit in the game it's for 30 dam. Any person who watches the video and has no idea of SoM must think that 2 hits kill you everywhere :P
- Tropicallo fight can go much better, but for such a big segment quite ok.
- These werewolf bastards. Nice trick when you park them on that border but the cost to get there...  :o. I wonder how many times you had to restart because someone died there.
- Krabbe? *ROFL*

Watching segment 2 now.
- A few wasted seconds because you didn't go shopping before saving.. :(. Next time you know better.
- Very nice tiger fight. Do you just have insane reflexes or did you memorize the time he needs to recover from your hit and start his "roll-around-in-frenzy" attack?
- Is there any reason why you didn't let Sorcie warp you out?
- Boss fight before undine shows us again all facettes of the AI </sarcasm>
- Personally I'd have left the first round of undine spamming until the earth temple, saves you one night of sleep.
- Good earth boss fight. Did you try if the ice blade charm of the girl increases dam of the guy?
- Lucky you versus the robot boss. He could have killed you there... :)
- You lucky french people who don't have to stand the german translation...
- This is getting very interesting. The two hit = death rule seems to be getting standard for your run. Krabbe gets whipped on every enemy ;D. Eager to see the rest.

Watching segment 3 now:
- Quite suicidal your movement through the sand holes in the desert...
- As I thought, the ice blade charm rocks. Applied to boomerang it should clear you a path through everything.
- Perfect through the underground way! Respect!
- Ouch! 169 dam in one blow. Nice reminder for the viewer what you are doing there.
- What's with that invisible chest in the ruins? Is it always there or only if you missed a sword orb before?
- In retrospect, you used the diamond spell so much to get past annoying enemies, you could have omitted most of the leveling at the armor knights.
- Perfect through the palace too! I'm impressed... I always run into these ninjas...
- The boss fight in the shadow temple is the best scene so far. Pure action.

Segment 4:
- Finally someone shows me the fastest route in the moon palace. I always ran like 5 minutes in it without finding the orb.
- Didn't know the easy method for the doppelgänger either. Always learning new stuff...

Veritate

2005-10-21 03:11:30 pm

Watched the first half of the run. Though there are loads of possible improvements, it was interesting to do so. And Gorash already summarized it very detailed... The first boss fight was hilarious! Stupid thing indeed.

I just have a few questions:

1. Why not buy full (and cheap) equipment for everyone in the beginning? In the end it doesn't raise defence that much, but it does on evade or so... but I'm not sure if it would be worth to do that, since you manage it more or less.

2. Why not this ice blade-spell for everyone? Frozen enemies can't move, so you don't have problems with passing them.