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just( •_•)>⌐■-■ ..... (⌐■_■)wing it
Nice Meta.  You're gonna have this game optimized like SMB soon.  Wink
Evermore Extrodinare ᕦ(° Д°)ᕤ
2:14:56, I cracked the 2:15...and from what I saw sub 2:14 while possible is gonna be HARD AS HELL, but I'm going for it Wink
just( •_•)>⌐■-■ ..... (⌐■_■)wing it
This is just insane how you keep beating it and making new goals.  Knowing how well your 2:14:56 went.....where in your run can time be made and what would be a reasonable estimate for "im done with this game and ain't no body taking this WR from me"?
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MetaSigma: 2013-01-26 10:05:38 pm
Evermore Extrodinare ᕦ(° Д°)ᕤ
everywhere. I'm saying just a hair under 2:14 with all the current tricks would be the lowest time possible. That would be perfect RNG, alchemy dmg, enemies missing, highest dmg output on the final bosses, etc. It would all have to just fall into place. Until something new is discovered or a new strat I'd have to say 2:13:5x in my mind.

And with that a new trick has been discovered...it's called infinite barrier =P and it's pretty bad-ass! The problem though is that it adds about a minute and a half in Act 2, but I'm HOPING the savings with it is useful as it will not only give me infinite barrier, BUT it will ALSO increase Speed/Atlas PERMANENTLY. It's like the Atlas glitch only instead of actually dying You use Regenerate (You find it in Mids) and cast that on yourself. Then cast Speed/Atlas/Barrier (Speed/Atlas glitch twice first to up those stats) Then get hit with plague or take your armour off and take full dmg. You get dropped to 1 HP and you're saved by Regenerate. Now if done correctly it will keep all the buffs on you PERMANENTLY. INCLUDING BARRIER if it was equipped on you. Even better you can level and the stats and all that stay AND it extends all the through the game. Now I just have to find out how MUCH time I can save considering I'll no longer have to level up the sword to level 2 NOR will I have to keep spamming atlas/speed/barrier. I should have more than enough speed to hit and evade will no longer be an issue, and really I can just hope for a great atlas cast once I hit level 1, do the glitch and add like...25 to 30 atk power HOPEFULLY on top of the 15 to 20 each from the first two. Meaning I have a chance at add almost 80 atk power (Maybe more) by the end of the game merely by having these glitch stack.
Is PJ
Wow.  Nice find!  That sounds amazing.  Cheesy
Evermore Extrodinare ᕦ(° Д°)ᕤ
Annnnd we just broke the game...and by broke it, I'm talking BROKE IT. It's all thanks to #W o L F T e a M! You'll be seeing some insane time drops here soon, I just have to find out how much I can make this glitch useable without making the game very VERY angry and lead to results such as Vigor getting dropped in about 15 seconds and the game going into slo-mo/crash mode suddenly.
Keep on rocking Meta Wink
just( •_•)>⌐■-■ ..... (⌐■_■)wing it
MetaSigma is the human TAS.  I was there when he had the 655xx attack and was freaking out DURING a live run.  Hope you figure out how to use this to your advantage and not have game go bursting into Flames.  Also huge credit for my SMW2 WR goes to you MetaSigma. 
The Great Farming Empire
Oh man. I can see sub-2:00 happening. :O
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rayvex: 2013-01-29 12:25:38 pm
rayvex: 2013-01-29 12:25:37 pm
hi
Quote from MetaSigma:
Annnnd we just broke the game...and by broke it, I'm talking BROKE IT. It's all thanks to #W o L F T e a M! You'll be seeing some insane time drops here soon, I just have to find out how much I can make this glitch useable without making the game very VERY angry and lead to results such as Vigor getting dropped in about 15 seconds and the game going into slo-mo/crash mode suddenly.


Care to elaborate? Wink
Evermore Extrodinare ᕦ(° Д°)ᕤ
http://www.twitch.tv/metasigma/c/1876798

Basically the Atlas glitch was always thought to have been accomplished by getting atlas cast on yourself, waiting (or dying) and then having to save/reload until you underflow the game which can take quite a while. I found a way to do it in a matter of seconds. Meaning my current time can drop...a lot...the last boss fights alone can be done at least 5 to 7 mins faster and that doesn't include all the other areas I can save time. Sub 2? Hell if I can make this work try sub 1:50 MAYBE o___o.
Damnit, can't believe I missed this one live. I've been trying to replicate this trick myself, but looks like you beat me to the punch. Awesome!

Looking forward to this, definitely.
Evermore Extrodinare ᕦ(° Д°)ᕤ
Yeah last two nights have been really bad just overall, but I have been playing around with a lot of stuff so that def plays into it. New route meaning new muscle memory to do as well as new things to cram into smaller windows Smiley
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duckfist: 2013-02-02 10:29:26 am
duckfist: 2013-02-02 10:29:11 am
duckfist: 2013-02-02 10:29:04 am
Not to mention, the previous Atlas glitch setup had to get Atlas to level 2-3, since the ATK buff had to be at least as much as your base ATK, and then some to compensate for the ATK gained by leveling up your base level.  Meta's method allows you to do it right away at level 0.  This saves such a ridiculous amount of time over the old method it's not even comparable.
Evermore Extrodinare ᕦ(° Д°)ᕤ
I should mention I was going to be 6 minutes ahead last night just starting Act 4 when I made the discovery I actually did not obtain BOTH Diamond Eyes. Basically on Eye of Rimsala when you spam kill it quickly I was able to run away from it as the boss was exploding and it counted THERE as Evil Horace had BOTH diamond eyes, but when I got the first gauge and returned to Tinker he told me I still need the diamond EYES. I checked my pouch and sure enough I didn't get both. I actually have to wait until I get the message, obtained the Diamond Eye Tongue Still overall the amount of  time I was going to be ahead had I not absolutely bombed in a lot of areas would been closer to 9 MINUTES, and that didn't include the time saved through Act 4. 2:00:xx is POSSIBLE, but holy cow I'm going to have to nail a TON of everything and get GREAT execution. I'd say a bad run could be like...2:03:xx or 2:04:xx and I mean BAD.
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Sonikkustar: 2013-02-03 09:27:21 am
The Great Farming Empire
Just wanted to let people know, Apparently Meta got a XXXX. (Taken out due to request)

I don't see any previous video before this, so maybe it was recorded off stream? Oh well, Nice to see you progress so far in your times! Smiley
Evermore Extrodinare ᕦ(° Д°)ᕤ
*Facepalm* Kustar...seriously you just broke news I didn't want to break yet -_-, next time please ask before you post times Tongue (Just because I'd like to have video to back it up not to mention other reasons?)
Ciento Dos Huevos
If anyone can explain how to reproduce the underflow, I'd like to reverse what exactly is going on with the the game that makes it occur.  It could lead to being able to get it earlier if there is a similar method.
At least people give a damn about what you do, Meta. A lot of people have put in at least as much work in for other games as you have for Evermore, and their efforts go unnoticed. If you don't want stuff broken until you're ready, you're going to have to do something I know you are terrible at: keep quiet about it. :p
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MetaSigma: 2013-02-03 02:17:59 pm
Evermore Extrodinare ᕦ(° Д°)ᕤ
Well since I finally got what I wanted...

1:58:30 with about a min and 15 seconds left of improvement practically.



THIS is the run for now...

I know sub 1:57 is POSSIBLE but holy cow it's gonna have to be the PERFECT run.
Poverty runner
Goddammit, I was watching while grinding in PoE (usually I put on a stream for background noise) and completely missed the entire fucking run? Fuck me.

Congrats on the sub 2. Incredible run. I started watching just before the glitches got figured out and goddamn that's a lot of improvement in a short while.
Evermore Extrodinare ᕦ(° Д°)ᕤ
Hahaha, yeah. Duckfist mentioned he thinks there is much more to be learned about this game. I'm not 100% certain at this point, but if I've learned ANYTHING it's that he could very well be RIGHT when it comes to this. The cool thing is Lemonsx is also very interested in learning this and if there is one thing I know. HE CAN catch me. AFAIG (AsFarAsIGet) can as well as TheAngryPandaOne. Would love to see those two guys throw a stream up and watch them. They as well helped make this happen as did many others. Like I keep saying...I'm just the driver. I got no where without a pit crew, crew chief and everyone else cheering me on or helping make this car. I'm just one cog in a large clock :9.

All that aside...I will be pushing myself farther because I want to get "submittable" runs now. 1:58 (Sub) is the beginning of what I'll allow, sans C4L when I can only get ONE shot (So I have to make it count).
Great job on this thing Meta.  Always cool to see someone really pushing a game to it's limits.  Keep up the great work man.
Evermore Extrodinare ᕦ(° Д°)ᕤ
Annnnd I found a way to save another 3 mins potentially...just a small re-rerouting of act 1 that has INSANE results. So yeah 1:57:07 is the new record and that wasn't even a great run. I should have sub 1:56 HOPEFULLY by the end of the week. It's crazy how one small change resulted in SUCH a drastic change in time!!! Credit goes to MeridianCrow and AFAIG for coming up with this wonderful idea Smiley
Weegee Time
That's the life of an RPG run.  Changes you make early in the run can have drastic effects as everything builds on each other throughout the game. Smiley