Rayman 2: The Great Escape

2014-08-09 12:12:18 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

A DVD recorder is a much more reliable recording method. If you use a capture card, your recording could be lost or screwed up if your computer crashes or slows down. If you want to stream, you can still do so by using a splitter and a capture card. The output of the console will be sent to both the DVD recorder (ensuring a good recording) and the capture card (allowing you to stream). I think this is the setup used at the SDA marathons.

thundacats28

2014-08-09 12:22:05 pm

BLARGHHH

Ah, ok well thanks! Also I am going to try another run tonight and hopefully not fail it in the first 5 levels Tongue

Unreal704

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2014-08-09 05:07:28 pm

Also known as Bottles/Sydynski

Guys, I am pumped to show you a new consistent way to skip the second switch in tomb of the ancients. You can also skip the third switch with this method. Cheesy

Basically, when you shoot after taking damage you can use your propellor right after. The last jump is kind of difficult but I think with practice it can be pulled off in a single segment.

I tried skipping the first switch but there is no way to get enough height to make it to the other side.

Manocheese

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Manocheese: 2014-08-09 05:58:58 pm

2014-08-09 05:57:09 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

Nice! I wonder what other jumps can be made with that trick. It also seems like a useful way to recover after being hit.

Unreal704

2014-08-09 07:59:11 pm

Also known as Bottles/Sydynski

I tried skipping Axel but the jump from the last purple lum is too far. I also tried skipping the first mandatory pirate fight in the Bayou. I think the second may be possible if we can time the jump and the pirate's laser shot correctly.

Manocheese

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Manocheese: 2014-08-09 10:08:49 pm

2014-08-09 08:57:21 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

I was trying something similar in Sanctuary of Stone and Fire. Using the second pirate's bullets, I tried to get across the lava to reach the room with the cage. I haven't quite made it, but it looks possible. The pirate needs to shoot at just the right time.

EDIT: Got 'em both.

The Stone and Fire boost is pretty hard and I doubt I'll use it in my 100% runs. The Bayou boost is easier and could potentially be consistent with practice.

Unreal704

2014-08-09 10:53:48 pm

Also known as Bottles/Sydynski

Awesome! The Bayou boost looks like it can be done consistently.

I just got a 2:18 tonight which had a ton of deaths and silly mistakes. Thankfully my computer did not crash throughout the run but I am having audio desync issues instead. >_> This happens whenever I record something longer than 20 minutes. I'm not sure how to fix this… I'm thinking it is a problem with my computer. I'm thinking of possibly buying a dvd recorder instead or a new pc. What brand do you have Manocheese? DVD recorders seem more reliable. (I have had one in the past)

Manocheese

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2014-08-10 12:01:59 am

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

I use a Magnavox. Some other speed runners use the same model and it works well for them too, as far as I know. The model I have is discontinued, but this model is an updated version that's pretty much the same:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Magnavox-HDD-DVR-and-DVD-Recorder-with-Digital-Tuner-320GB/20710260

$240 may seem like a lot, but it's probably cheaper than getting a new PC. The recorder has a hard drive, which makes it very convenient to record runs, since you don't have to worry about running out of space. It'll also last a long time; I've had mine since 2009 and I haven't had any real problems with it.

Whatever you do, don't get a Panasonic; I've had two and they both had major problems.

EDIT: I just tried those Tomb of the Ancients jumps. I agree that the first gap is still too big even with this trick. The second one, however, is a piece of cake now. I haven't been skipping the second switch in my 100% runs, but I think I'll start doing it. I won't be skipping the third, though, for a few reasons:

1. It's harder to skip than the second switch.
2. Skipping it doesn't save as much time as skipping the second switch.
3. I need to conserve my golden fists or I will lose tons of time in the later parts of the level. After skipping the second switch, I will have at most two golden fists. If I also skip the third switch, I'll only have one golden fist for the entire rest of the level, which is extremely dangerous.

EDIT2: Chris Link on YouTube discovered a cool timesaver. Whenever you respawn, hold L and you'll skip most of the respawning animation, saving about a second.

I use a Magnavox. Some other speed runners use the same model and it works well for them too, as far as I know. The model I have is discontinued, but this model is an updated version that's pretty much the same:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Magnavox-HDD-DVR-and-DVD-Recorder-with-Digital-Tuner-320GB/20710260

$240 may seem like a lot, but it's probably cheaper than getting a new PC. The recorder has a hard drive, which makes it very convenient to record runs, since you don't have to worry about running out of space. It'll also last a long time; I've had mine since 2009 and I haven't had any real problems with it.

Whatever you do, don't get a Panasonic; I've had two and they both had major problems.

EDIT: I just tried those Tomb of the Ancients jumps. I agree that the first gap is still too big even with this trick. The second one, however, is a piece of cake now. I haven't been skipping the second switch in my 100% runs, but I think I'll start doing it. I won't be skipping the third, though, for a few reasons:

1. It's harder to skip than the second switch.
2. Skipping it doesn't save as much time as skipping the second switch.
3. I need to conserve my golden fists or I will lose tons of time in the later parts of the level. After skipping the second switch, I will have at most two golden fists. If I also skip the third switch, I'll only have one golden fist for the entire rest of the level, which is extremely dangerous.

EDIT2: Chris Link on YouTube discovered a cool timesaver. Whenever you respawn, hold L and you'll skip most of the respawning animation, saving about a second.

Unreal704

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2014-08-10 06:30:55 am

Also known as Bottles/Sydynski

Quote from Manocheese:

EDIT2: Chris Link on YouTube discovered a cool timesaver. Whenever you respawn, hold L and you'll skip most of the respawning animation, saving about a second.

Wow, that is great. I will have to try that. Thanks for the link I will look to invest into one. I remember you saying in your 2:17 that one of the discs got corrupted but you saved it with isobuster right? I wonder if there is a program like that for mac if anything bad like that happens.

edit: I did not read the part where you said it has a built in hard drive. Have you had any problems with it since 2009? That's a great option since I won't have to buy dvds.

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thundacats28: 2014-08-10 11:34:01 am

2014-08-10 11:33:28 am

BLARGHHH

Thank you for the link as well manocheese, I was looking on amazon to find one and they all had horrible customer reviews and were ridiculously expensive.

Also, do any of you know of a way to always get the 2nd rocket horse in Menhir Hills to cooperate? Almost every time I jump off of it to break the door, he just bounces off of it and hits something else so I have to use a barrel Cry

Manocheese

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Manocheese: 2014-08-10 12:25:32 pm

2014-08-10 12:24:41 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

Quote from Unreal704:

Quote from Manocheese:

EDIT2: Chris Link on YouTube discovered a cool timesaver. Whenever you respawn, hold L and you'll skip most of the respawning animation, saving about a second.

Wow, that is great. I will have to try that. Thanks for the link I will look to invest into one. I remember you saying in your 2:17 that one of the discs got corrupted but you saved it with isobuster right? I wonder if there is a program like that for mac if anything bad like that happens.

edit: I did not read the part where you said it has a built in hard drive. Have you had any problems with it since 2009? That's a great option since I won't have to buy dvds.

I think there's a version of IsoBuster for Mac. However, I haven't needed IsoBuster for anything recorded on my Magnavox; the only time I needed it was when I used my Panasonic.

I haven't had any problems with the hard drive. You still need to buy discs, though, to get the files from the recorder to your computer. I recommend getting some DVD+RW's. Mine are Sony brand and they've worked well.

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Also, do any of you know of a way to always get the 2nd rocket horse in Menhir Hills to cooperate? Almost every time I jump off of it to break the door, he just bounces off of it and hits something else so I have to use a barrel Cry

Aim at the wall to the left of the door. He can't bounce off the wall.

[quote="Unreal704"][quote="Manocheese"]
EDIT2: Chris Link on YouTube discovered a cool timesaver. Whenever you respawn, hold L and you'll skip most of the respawning animation, saving about a second.[/quote]

Wow, that is great. I will have to try that. Thanks for the link I will look to invest into one. I remember you saying in your 2:17 that one of the discs got corrupted but you saved it with isobuster right? I wonder if there is a program like that for mac if anything bad like that happens.

edit: I did not read the part where you said it has a built in hard drive. Have you had any problems with it since 2009? That's a great option since I won't have to buy dvds.[/quote]
I think there's a version of IsoBuster for Mac. However, I haven't needed IsoBuster for anything recorded on my Magnavox; the only time I needed it was when I used my Panasonic.

I haven't had any problems with the hard drive. You still need to buy discs, though, to get the files from the recorder to your computer. I recommend getting some DVD+RW's. Mine are Sony brand and they've worked well.

[quote="thundacats28"]Also, do any of you know of a way to always get the 2nd rocket horse in Menhir Hills to cooperate? Almost every time I jump off of it to break the door, he just bounces off of it and hits something else so I have to use a barrel :'( [/quote]
Aim at the wall to the left of the door. He can't bounce off the wall.

Unreal704

2014-08-10 01:26:52 pm

Also known as Bottles/Sydynski

Guys I just got the blue orb early in the Sanctuary of Stone and Fire! Cheesy

Video will be up shortly. Smiley

KirbyComment

2014-08-10 01:29:15 pm

I got this 2:54:32 2 months ago on 100%. thundacats28 told me this would be a good place to share strats and post stuff, so I'm giving it a spin. And I'm curious what you guys think of this run. I'm not really a serious runner, but I do runs sometimes. I'm also curious what kind of stuff you guys found. Because I heard this 2:3(something) on 100% which makes me wonder where all those time-savers came from...

Still has some dumb stuff that happens and Prison Ship was a trainwreck

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2014-08-10 01:41:22 pm

Also known as Bottles/Sydynski

Credits to Manocheese for his theory video on getting the blue orb early or else I would of never thought of jumping at this spot. This break should save a couple minutes at most I believe. With the fast helicopter technique you can grab the ledge after damage boosting off of the fuzzies. This turns rayman to his normal state so he can grab the ledge. I was on high resolution so that should make this trick easier. Also, you don't have to carry the orange orb since the game thinks you have the orange orb placed after you place the blue. This may be single segment worthy.

Edit: This is actually easier than I thought.Also, you don't need the fast helicopter technique. With this break you can also grab an extra lum in Stone and Fire.

Edit2: Possible on low res. This trick is really easy! Cheesy

I bring over the fuzzies from the big room with the orange orb so you have a higher chance to get boosted up.

CloakedYoshi

2014-08-10 03:17:56 pm

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I cried of happiness

thundacats28

2014-08-10 05:42:00 pm

BLARGHHH

Jesus Unreal you are on fire with these timesavers. Nice find. Although you do miss a lum, so I guess you would just need to collect one more somewhere else easy like the cave of bad dreams or something.

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Manocheese: 2014-08-10 05:49:59 pm

2014-08-10 05:43:37 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

Awesome! I always had a feeling that that trick was possible. I never knew that you could death warp to the top like that without actually entering the room from the top, so it's good that there's an easy way to get on top of Umber after placing the orb. Unfortunately, I can't use the trick in 100% because there are lums in the rooms leading to the blue orb, but it should save several minutes in any%.

Quote from KirbyComment:

I got this 2:54:32 2 months ago on 100%. thundacats28 told me this would be a good place to share strats and post stuff, so I'm giving it a spin. And I'm curious what you guys think of this run. I'm not really a serious runner, but I do runs sometimes. I'm also curious what kind of stuff you guys found. Because I heard this 2:3(something) on 100% which makes me wonder where all those time-savers came from...

Still has some dumb stuff that happens and Prison Ship was a trainwreck

Welcome. It's hard to say exactly what the differences are between your run and mine, but I'll put up some times later so you can compare. You can also look at the Strategy Wiki to learn some tricks. I've put most timesavers on there except the new stuff from the last few days, which I'll add soon.

Awesome! I always had a feeling that that trick was possible. I never knew that you could death warp to the top like that without actually entering the room from the top, so it's good that there's an easy way to get on top of Umber after placing the orb. Unfortunately, I can't use the trick in 100% because there are lums in the rooms leading to the blue orb, but it should save several minutes in any%.
[quote="KirbyComment"]I got this 2:54:32 2 months ago on 100%. thundacats28 told me this would be a good place to share strats and post stuff, so I'm giving it a spin. And I'm curious what you guys think of this run. I'm not really a serious runner, but I do runs sometimes. I'm also curious what kind of stuff you guys found. Because I heard this 2:3(something) on 100% which makes me wonder where all those time-savers came from...

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOnyMb4GWCo[/url]
Still has some dumb stuff that happens and Prison Ship was a trainwreck[/quote]
Welcome. It's hard to say exactly what the differences are between your run and mine, but I'll put up some times later so you can compare. You can also look at the [url=https://kb.speeddemosarchive.com/Rayman_2:_The_Great_Escape]Strategy Wiki[/url] to learn some tricks. I've put most timesavers on there except the new stuff from the last few days, which I'll add soon.

thundacats28

2014-08-10 05:59:09 pm

BLARGHHH

I have started considering running Rayman 2 on the Ps2. Sounds like a stupid idea to run it but eh, I'm kind of bored with the game at the moment.

Unreal704

2014-08-10 06:00:37 pm

Also known as Bottles/Sydynski

Guys now I found out how to skip the pirate fight in the Canopy! The one where he jumps off of the ship. I'll make a video.

Manocheese

2014-08-10 06:11:34 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

You're on a roll lately!

CloakedYoshi

2014-08-10 06:13:25 pm

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Yeah unreal is going nuts with the time savers, Cheesy

Im going to be streaming some attempts in a bit, with these, waiting for the canopy video first.

KirbyComment

2014-08-10 06:21:56 pm

Manocheese. That Strategy Wiki gives me an error on my end. I don't know what that's about, but if you post a run in the future, I think I'll have most of the strats I didn't know about yet covered (even though I may be quitting 100% and move over to Any%)

Manocheese

2014-08-10 06:24:29 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

It's strange that it's giving you an error. What browser are you using? Maybe try a different one.

I might just post a video of my 2:36:14. It has some ugly mistakes, but it would probably be a good reference.

Unreal704

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2014-08-10 07:22:10 pm

Also known as Bottles/Sydynski

This trick is segmented only I feel since you can not get Globox to follow you after you deathwarp. The game still thinks the first pirate is there. Ideally in a segmented run you want to boost up with the cannonballs. If we can get the pirate in the right position after hopping the fence we could kill it and fix globox. It might just be faster to kill the pirate in a single segment. Also, you need to do the fast helicopter for this to work. It resets Rayman's state so he can jump on the edge of the gate.

Also, sad news… Cloaked yoshi found out on a fresh file you can not deathward to the top of the orb room in the Sanctuary of Stone and Fire. It only did that because I was on a completed file. Sad

We are trying to figure a way around this. Throwing the orb from the top may be the answer.

EDIT: Yoshi figured out that you have to jump onto the platform where you drop out of the slide room to be able to deathwarp back to the top! Cheesy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nIjnCudyis&feature=youtu.be

This trick is segmented only I feel since you can not get Globox to follow you after you deathwarp. The game still thinks the first pirate is there. Ideally in a segmented run you want to boost up with the cannonballs. If we can get the pirate in the right position after hopping the fence we could kill it and fix globox. It might just be faster to kill the pirate in a single segment. Also, you need to do the fast helicopter for this to work. It resets Rayman's state so he can jump on the edge of the gate.

Also, sad news… Cloaked yoshi found out on a fresh file you can not deathward to the top of the orb room in the Sanctuary of Stone and Fire. It only did that because I was on a completed file. :( We are trying to figure a way around this. Throwing the orb from the top may be the answer.

EDIT: Yoshi figured out that you have to jump onto the platform where you drop out of the slide room to be able to deathwarp back to the top! :D

thundacats28

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BLARGHHH

That seems a little risky (the video trick), can you die by touching the top of the lasers or is it a flat platform that doesn't kill you? Because, if you can die from it, then it seems like it would be a hard jump to get since it's such a little surface area (the top of the grey thing). I could be wrong though.