PAL version Super metroid any% and 100% speed run runs

2010-01-27 07:47:58 pm

Quote from MetroidAR:

Any chance you post your progress and/or attempts up on youtube?

Can't wait for this Smiley

Well i could do. I could show some PAL speed strats in certain rooms for example that i have to adopt. But because i'm close to actually start recording and nailing that 34 minutes i think you ll have to wait just a liitle bit longer for for the real thing. I want to get it done by the end of january. if not, then i really want it out of the way before march arrives. So not long to wait.

giganotabehemoth87

2010-01-28 03:36:22 am

What am i talking about here's a speed run i did last year. The picture is really bad though and there's horrible gameplay mistakes everywhere. Why i decided to continue regardless i don't know. It's really bad just after the chozo fight. You can't miss it. Needless to say its painful to watch that bit.

Finished the game in 37 minutes completion time. As you'll see on the video description i considered this to be a great time for me back then.

giganotabehemoth87

2010-01-30 10:26:44 am

Well i'v just developed my strategy on draygon even further now. Just before draygon arrives for its first swoop i charge a shinespark up. As it swoops down i jump up and fire a charged ice/wave/spazer charged shot and as i keep rising from holding jump i activate a midair horizontal shinespark into draygons head a fraction after. Doing lots of damage on the first turn. Allready draygons belly is a deep orange at this point.

Now after recovering from slamming into the wall i wait for draygon to appear again by standing in the centre of the room whilst charging the beam up again. If draygon swoops normally i simply shoot a shot at it. If it comes slowly firing gunk i run up to draygon, turn around and run in the opposite direction and prepare another shinespark. I turn around again and do a huge leap over the oncoming drayon. Once i've passed draygon in the air i turn around mid-air and unleash another mid-air shinespark in the direction draygon is going. Draygons belly is deep red at this point. As i recover from that theres still time to shoot missles or supers ,or a combonation of the two into the belly quickly before draygon passes me. It's nearly dead at this point. So i get down to the main platform and prapare an other shinespark. Then i unleash (what should be) the final shinespark to finish draygon off. If all goes as well as my strat should be then draygon can be killed in three rounds with certainty.

I've since learned that the blue suit is a bit pointless to have and use because the time wasted keeping it while you collect the space jump you can be running fast and fast space jumping back across the large room. I read somewhere that it only saves 1 or 2 seconds at most if you get blue suit. So it's not a disaster if you dont get it.

With this i'm more confident than ever to reach my goal of 34 minutes Smiley

Well i'v just developed my strategy on draygon even further now. Just before draygon arrives for its first swoop i charge a shinespark up. As it swoops down i jump up and fire a charged ice/wave/spazer charged shot and as i keep rising from holding jump i activate a midair horizontal shinespark into draygons head a fraction after. Doing lots of damage on the first turn. Allready draygons belly is a deep orange at this point.

Now after recovering from slamming into the wall i wait for draygon to appear again by standing in the centre of the room whilst charging the beam up again. If draygon swoops normally i simply shoot a shot at it. If it comes slowly firing gunk i run up to draygon, turn around and run in the opposite direction and prepare another shinespark. I turn around again and do a huge leap over the oncoming drayon. Once i've passed draygon in the air i turn around mid-air and unleash another mid-air shinespark in the direction draygon is going. Draygons belly is deep red at this point. As i recover from that theres still time to shoot missles or supers ,or a combonation of the two into the belly quickly before draygon passes me. It's nearly dead at this point. So i get down to the main platform and prapare an other shinespark. Then i unleash (what should be) the final shinespark to finish draygon off. If all goes as well as my strat should be then draygon can be killed in three rounds with certainty.

I've since learned that the blue suit is a bit pointless to have and use because the time wasted keeping it while you collect the space jump you can be running fast and fast space jumping back across the large room. I read somewhere that it only saves 1 or 2 seconds at most if you get blue suit. So it's not a disaster if you dont get it.

With this i'm more confident than ever to reach my goal of 34 minutes  :)

Hattori HANZo

2010-01-30 03:13:14 pm

contraddicted

I just watched your 37 minute run.
Awesome!

Keep going for the :34 Smiley

giganotabehemoth87

2010-02-01 12:06:54 pm

Thankyou. My 34 will hopefully cancel out all the mess ups from that run. Bosses will all be significantly faster and lots of rooms have been revised to be as fast as i think i can go in them.

MetroidAR

2010-02-01 06:42:37 pm

I definately think working out the 'kinks' of the 37 minute run and optimizing bosses, 34 is def a great possibility.

Can not wait for this Grin

giganotabehemoth87

2010-02-01 06:54:48 pm

Indeed. I done 36 the other night and it was a complete mess lol. Probably worse to watch that my 37 but it was 36 ???. i must be doing something right. It was 2 rounding phantoon i did. A reasonable draygon and a decent ridley. All things i diddnt do on my 37 Wink

Sometimes i carry on the speed run even if its gone wrong just to see the time out of curiosity. Even so i think that one was near 35.

honorableJay

2010-02-01 09:52:30 pm

The Dork Knight himself.

Probably better to continue on after a mistake anyway just so you can get more practice at the later events (when most people usually make more mistakes due to fatigue). When I worked on X-men I made sure to complete every attempt just so I didn't get really good at the first half of the game then completely bomb the last half. GL with the run, you'll eventually get it Smiley

giganotabehemoth87

2010-02-02 12:13:16 pm

Completly agree with you. what i used to do ( and still do sometimes) is i would play the game just to practise on one bit intil i got it down to perfection. Then i would backtrack slightly and then come back in a speed running fashion and confront the bit i was practising on so that i tackle it in a speed running frame of mind.

I think the reason i make mistakes sometimes is because i over focus. I think a simliar problem can be said for hotarubi. His runs are great but when he messes up, he messes up BAD. Now he is a TASer and i've done a few TAS's myself and watched many of super metroid as well. I think he tries to imitate a TAS too much. Nothing wrong with that of course. But i think the reason for his mistakes sometimes are because he tries to be frame perfect in a few difficult sections. If he layed off from trying to be frame perfect sometimes then his times would be even better. Still, i think he's still capable of nailing a pristine run anyway. Maybe thats simply why he does it.

I've found over time that i perform best when im relaxed, confident, not nervous or giving myself high expectations. I just simply play. Thats allways how i've got my best times in the past when i've been in that fram of mind.

Completly agree with you. what i used to do ( and still do sometimes) is i would play the game just to practise on one bit intil i got it down to perfection. Then i would backtrack slightly and then come back in a speed running fashion and confront the bit i was practising on so that i tackle it in a speed running frame of mind.

I think the reason i make mistakes sometimes is because i over focus. I think a simliar problem can be said for hotarubi. His runs are great but when he messes up, he messes up BAD. Now he is a TASer and i've done a few TAS's myself and watched many of super metroid as well. I think he tries to imitate a TAS too much. Nothing wrong with that of course. But i think the reason for his mistakes sometimes are because he tries to be frame perfect in a few difficult sections. If he layed off from trying to be frame perfect sometimes then his times would be even better. Still, i think he's still capable of nailing a pristine run anyway. Maybe thats simply why he does it.

I've found over time that i perform best when im relaxed, confident, not nervous or giving myself high expectations. I just simply play. Thats allways how i've got my best times in the past when i've been in that fram of mind.

giganotabehemoth87

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giganotabehemoth87: 2010-02-05 12:31:18 pm

2010-02-03 03:58:44 pm

I'm thinking about incorperating a chozo skip on my run (20 second saves). 34 minutes is slightly harder than i originally thought but still within reach. I was think about making it segmented this run but second thought told me not to. Segmented has never improved my times in the past and there's too much time wasted on saving. Even saving twice in a run is about 16 seconds lost. That almost engulfes the time saved doing the chozo skip in the first place. I think i'll stick with SS. Plus it would make an awesome video to watch wouldn't it ? Tongue

I've changed my mind. It's going to be segmented !. I've thought long and hard about this and its going to work !.

I'll start off at the begining with a chozo skip. How many takes this will be i don't know. After that i will go all the way through killing kraid, going to norfair collecting the essentials and making my way to the top of red brinstar to the save point there and save. First segment done.

Next to wrecked ship and will take on phantoon and will use as many tries as i want to make sure he opens his bloody eye twice in a row quickly for my two rounder. Once he's dead, make my way to gravity suit, blah blah through to maridia to botwoon ( still a little unsure how to tackle this anoying little b******) and then saving it at the save point above draygons room in the large room. Segment two done.

Now this is the third and final segment. Making sure to kill draygon in three rounds which is surprisingly simple. Then do everything the best i can to the end of the game.

Now with only two saves (aproximately 14, 15 seconds lost) the chozo skip will make up for lost time and then some with it's hefty 20 second time saver. I can now go through very large portions of the game without screwing up so big segments arn't a problem. Doing this segmented will get me the speed run finished quicker as everytime i do SS run its those two bosses that ruin it for me with their randomness

On a last note i also believe that if i make sure the run goes as perfectly as i envision it should, then 33 minutes is definately something to consider !

I'm thinking about incorperating a chozo skip on my run (20 second saves). 34 minutes is slightly harder than i originally thought but still within reach. I was think about making it segmented this run but second thought told me not to. Segmented has never improved my times in the past and there's too much time wasted on saving. Even saving twice in a run is about 16 seconds lost. That almost engulfes the time saved doing the chozo skip in the first place. I think i'll stick with SS. Plus it would make an awesome video to watch wouldn't it ? :P

I've changed my mind. It's going to be segmented !. I've thought long and hard about this and its going to work !.

I'll start off at the begining with a chozo skip. How many takes this will be i don't know. After that i will go all the way through killing kraid, going to norfair collecting the essentials and making my way to the top of red brinstar to the save point there and save. First segment done.

Next to wrecked ship and will take on phantoon and will use as many tries as i want to make sure he opens his bloody eye twice in a row quickly for my two rounder. Once he's dead, make my way to gravity suit, blah blah through to maridia to botwoon ( still a little unsure how to tackle this anoying little b******) and then saving it at the save point above draygons room in the large room. Segment two done.

Now this is the third and final segment. Making sure to kill draygon in three rounds which is surprisingly simple. Then do everything the best i can to the end of the game.

Now with only two saves (aproximately 14, 15 seconds lost) the chozo skip will make up for lost time and then some with it's hefty 20 second time saver. I can now go through very large portions of the game without screwing up so big segments arn't a problem. Doing this segmented will get me the speed run finished quicker as everytime i do SS run its those two bosses that ruin it for me with their randomness

On a last note i also believe that if i make sure the run goes as perfectly as i envision it should, then 33 minutes is definately something to consider !

giganotabehemoth87

2010-02-05 12:22:44 am

Well i'm now officially going to start recording now 8) and i'm real nervous. Gotta get used to it though because there could be many attempts here. So hopefully after a while i'll settle into a routine of constantly recording while i play. Wish me luck lol Smiley

Astra

2010-02-05 11:22:39 am

good luck ^^

4n6

2010-02-06 02:35:57 pm

My name is 4N6/Forensics.

Good Luck! I can't wait until you do it.

giganotabehemoth87

2010-02-06 02:54:32 pm

Cheers guys. Anoyingly though i gotta actually record onto dvd's instead of my dvd recorders hardrive in which case there would have been an unlimited amount of tries. I'm a self confest noob on this stuff but does any body know if you can just delete content on dvd's if the've got a load of crap on it and use that dvd again? I need unlimited amount of tries to get the absolute best i can do. Otherwise i'll have to accept a sub-par run, and i don't want that at all.

groobo

2010-02-06 03:26:23 pm

boss

Just use a rewritable dvd disc.

giganotabehemoth87

2010-02-07 02:41:47 am

yep i asked my friend who lives nearby stupidly after posting that. I am using re writable discs lol. but i thought it would be a simple case of just deleting the files on it but your got to re format the disc which deletes all the files on it. that's wat he told me. Hooray for me for delivery the dumbest post of the century :-[

Hattori HANZo

2010-02-07 05:13:07 pm

contraddicted

That was a good one, but I've seen way worse fails when it comes to technology usage Tongue

Technically deleting the files on the disc just marks them as deleted and updates the "Table of Contents" on the disc. Therefore there's no storage regain, as it is never written over them. (An Exception would be the successor of UDF for CDs, which is packet based and died for a good reason.)

Reformatting the disc completely erases all data on it. So the TOC also goes to hell and a new one gets written. That one does not contain anything about files marked as deleted. So the disc is logically empty. (The previous data is actually still there until you write over it again, but not easily accessible any more. Unless you completely format the disc, which basically just take longer).

Now imagine someone turning around a labeled (!) DVD and making an ass out of himself because he really thought the second part of the movie series was on the other side of the disc.
THAT'S really dumb Wink

giganotabehemoth87

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giganotabehemoth87: 2010-02-08 04:21:11 am

2010-02-07 11:44:21 pm

Yea i think i was tired when i wrote the post knowing that my friend had allready given me the awnser some days ago lol. Yea speed run is going well. My recorder has trouble actually playing the files on the disc though. Sometimes it just pauses the movie right at the start and makes little ticking noises and shit and freezes. other times it just plays them perfectly. But it has absolutley no problem recording. Dvd recorders are notoriously fussy things i gathered off the internet.

My speed run is actually 4 segments because i forgot to mention the auto save after you escape ceres station. So i decided to put everything into making that a very good, bona fide segment as well. So that's how far i'am.

Update= Attempting the hardest segment of the run. Segment two. Land on planet. Get my ass to to the red brinstar save as quick as possible whilst trying to include a chozo skip. Thats the difficult part. It's bad enough trying to do this segment without making too many mistakes let alone do this as well. I might ignore doing this. I think 33 is still possible even without it, but it only makes the rest of the run even harder to reach my goal. I'd have to make sure phantoon has his quickest eye open patterns to even think about 33 !. At least draygons three round shinespark death is quite common.

Quote from EvilJogga:

Now imagine someone turning around a labeled (!) DVD and making an ass out of himself because he really thought the second part of the movie series was on the other side of the disc.
THAT'S really dumb Wink

Haha that's bordeline retardation Shocked

Yea i think i was tired when i wrote the post knowing that my friend had allready given me the awnser some days ago lol. Yea speed run is going well. My recorder has trouble actually playing the files on the disc though. Sometimes it just pauses the movie right at the start and makes little ticking noises and shit and freezes. other times it just plays them perfectly. But it has absolutley no problem recording. Dvd recorders are notoriously fussy things i gathered off the internet.

My speed run is actually 4 segments because i forgot to mention the auto save after you escape ceres station. So i decided to put everything into making that a very good, bona fide segment as well. So that's how far i'am.

Update= Attempting the hardest segment of the run. Segment two. Land on planet. Get my ass to to the red brinstar save as quick as possible whilst trying to include a chozo skip. Thats the difficult part. It's bad enough trying to do this segment without making too many mistakes let alone do this as well. I might ignore doing this. I think 33 is still possible even without it, but it only makes the rest of the run even harder to reach my goal. I'd have to make sure phantoon has his quickest eye open patterns to even think about 33 !. At least draygons three round shinespark death is quite common.

[quote="EvilJogga"]
Now imagine someone turning around a labeled (!) DVD and making an ass out of himself because he really thought the second part of the movie series was on the other side of the disc.
THAT'S really dumb ;)
[/quote]

Haha that's bordeline retardation  :o

ridd3r.

2010-02-08 01:40:19 pm

we have lift off

0:33 would be really good and I don't think it's a bad idea to do a segmented run but are you going to do a 0:34 SS run after? I am currently attempting a very hard SS run, I'v been recording attempts for over 4 months now and I would be lying if I said that in the dark hours I hadn't thought about just doing it in 2-3 segments to make it monumentally easier. I guess for my run though, a segmented run would be quite different and would involve saves every level to make it optimal so I have no choice, it has to be SS.

I'm not saying you are chickening out of a SS run as I know a segmented run helps a lot with practise and your understanding of the game, but I would strongly recommend you do a SS as well as you already know you can and it would be more entertaining, at least for some of us Smiley

. It will be worth it once you get it as well! Of course it's your choice, maybe you don't have time, but I would love to see a PAL run on par with Hotarubi's run.

MASTER-88

2010-02-08 02:02:48 pm

Master-88

If you going first extremely optimize segmented run its would be a lot easier make SS run then. Because your skill level are very high after segmented run. I can,t even imagine 33 minutes segmented or SS run on PAL. This sounds just too hardcore goal with human. Shocked

Hotarubi 0.31 run would be are 0.34 on PAL and fact is PAL is harder one too. But let see how well you can got your run. It is always easy plan how fast it would be are with perfect luck and perfect skills. Someone make 0.28 NTSC real time SS run using savestates only. This seems absoulutely human limit on console and perfect PAL limit can are 0.31-0.32. But these ones is just too hardcore times to reach. Roll Eyes

giganotabehemoth87

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giganotabehemoth87: 2010-02-09 04:44:46 am

2010-02-09 12:17:24 am

Well where do i start. If i attempted a SS 33 minute run. Chances are i'll be trying it for the rest of my life as it would be equivelent to a 30 on NTSC. The only way to really get a time this harcore is to make sure phantoon eye patterns are his quickest for a two rounder. I actually calculated the time lost if phantoon opens his eye on his slowest patterns for a two rounder as opposed to quickest patterns and i couldnt believe but i counted 26 seconds lost! . 13 seconds lost per round ., and making sure draygon is at the most a three rounder. So doing it segmented just means i can make sure his eye opens for those paterns. Thats the only reason why. Also, (for me at least) segmented is actually harder. Because it breaks my rythem. I'm constantly retrying it and because of the time i'm after i really have to minimize mistakes to almost nothing. So in essence i should be making a flawless segmested run. Some lee way of course for a few mistakes though.

As for doing 34 SS in the future? yes i will be, and i want to because it's what i set out to do at the start i know :). However i really want to get this ultra harcore test out the way because i think i can get 33. If it turns out to be 34 i'll probably scrap it and do a SS 34 instead and send that in and be done with it. I'm definatly capable of this and i will enjoy this more as its just one big run without stopping my rythm. I prefer to watch SS to segmented as well. I understand about the SS run would be more entertaining and like you i've being doing SS runs as long as i can remember when i started speed running this game. I hopefully won't take too long on this segmented run. But trust me if it turns out to be 33. it will look unbelievable. This time last year i never would have thought you could get PAL time down this far.

Cool what times have you managed to get ridd3r

Master 88. I understand what you mean when you say I can,t even imagine 33 minutes segmented or SS run on PAL. This sounds just too hardcore goal with human.
To a large extent i agree with you but it is possible. But you'll simply be trying to get this time for a very, very long time SS i feel and after speed running this game intensly for a 2 and a half years your patience tends to wear a bit thin Angry

lol.

I've watched Reeves 28 and a half minute savestate run on NTSC but again he worked the bosses to his favour to get this time and he abused slowdown to do perfect ledge grabbing ( wrecked ship climb springs to mind) in some rooms so i dont actually consider this the limit. 29 though absolutley Smiley

So 32 SS PAL with hardly any screw ups and favourable phantoon and draygon would also be the limit.

just thought, when i do the SS 34 it wont be accepted if ive allready got a segmented that is faster. ( if the segmented turns out to be 33 that is.

Well where do i start. If i attempted a SS 33 minute run. Chances are i'll be trying it for the rest of my life as it would be equivelent to a 30 on NTSC. The only way to really get a time this harcore is to make sure phantoon eye patterns are his quickest for a two rounder. I actually calculated the time lost if phantoon opens his eye on his slowest patterns for a two rounder as opposed to quickest patterns and i couldnt believe but i counted 26 seconds lost! . 13 seconds lost per round ., and making sure draygon is at the most a three rounder. So doing it segmented just means i can make sure his eye opens for those paterns. Thats the only reason why. Also, (for me at least) segmented is actually harder. Because it breaks my rythem. I'm constantly retrying it and because of the time i'm after i really have to minimize mistakes to almost nothing. So in essence i should be making a flawless segmested run. Some lee way of course for a few mistakes though.

As for doing 34 SS in the future? yes i will be, and i want to because it's what i set out to do at the start i know  :). However i really want to get this ultra harcore test out the way because i think i can get 33. If it turns out to be 34 i'll probably scrap it and do a SS 34 instead and send that in and be done with it. I'm definatly capable of this and i will enjoy this more as its just one big run without stopping my rythm. I prefer to watch SS to segmented as well. I understand about the SS run would be more entertaining and like you i've being doing SS runs as long as i can remember when i started speed running this game. I hopefully won't take too long on this segmented run. But trust me if it turns out to be 33. it will look unbelievable. This time last year i never would have thought you could get PAL time down this far.

Cool what times have you managed to get ridd3r

Master 88. I understand what you mean when you say I can,t even imagine 33 minutes segmented or SS run on PAL. This sounds just too hardcore goal with human. 
To a large extent i agree with you but it is possible. But you'll simply be trying to get this time for a very, very long time SS i feel and after speed running this game intensly for a 2 and a half years your patience tends to wear a bit thin >:( lol.

I've watched Reeves 28 and a half minute savestate run on NTSC but again he worked the bosses to his favour to get this time and he abused slowdown to do perfect ledge grabbing ( wrecked ship climb springs to mind) in some rooms so i dont actually consider this the limit. 29 though absolutley  :) So 32 SS PAL with hardly any screw ups and favourable phantoon and draygon would also be the limit.

just thought, when i do the SS 34 it wont be accepted if ive allready got a segmented that is faster. ( if the segmented turns out to be 33 that is.

moooh

2010-02-09 07:51:22 am

Exoray

Quote from giganotabehemoth87:

just thought, when i do the SS 34 it wont be accepted if ive allready got a segmented that is faster. ( if the segmented turns out to be 33 that is.

It's the other way around. Segmented runs are expected to be faster than SS runs since you have the opportunity of optimizing even more.
If you make a segmented 33 minute run and after that a single segment 34 run, both can be accepted.

ridd3r.

2010-02-09 11:57:55 am

we have lift off

Yeah that's right, the only way to obsolete a SS run is to do a faster SS run. Also I didn't mean I have been running this game (Max Payne is what I'm running), I did speedrun this a bit for fun but not trying to break any records or anything.

Glad to see you will do a SS as well, good luck with both runs Smiley

giganotabehemoth87

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giganotabehemoth87: 2010-02-09 11:49:05 pm

2010-02-09 05:33:30 pm

Quote from moooh:

Quote from giganotabehemoth87:

just thought, when i do the SS 34 it wont be accepted if ive allready got a segmented that is faster. ( if the segmented turns out to be 33 that is.

It's the other way around. Segmented runs are expected to be faster than SS runs since you have the opportunity of optimizing even more.
If you make a segmented 33 minute run and after that a single segment 34 run, both can be accepted.

ahh that does make sense. good good.

Quote from ridd3r.:

Yeah that's right, the only way to obsolete a SS run is to do a faster SS run. Also I didn't mean I have been running this game (Max Payne is what I'm running), I did speedrun this a bit for fun but not trying to break any records or anything.

Glad to see you will do a SS as well, good luck with both runs Smiley

ahh ok, good luck with that run m8. Cheers

Quick update. Segment two done. From ship to red brinstar save. Must say this segment was giving me nightmares. Probabaly raised my blood pressure a bit . There's some neat tricks i managed to pull off in this segment but overall i failed quite a few easy sections. No doubt due to nerves. I decided to accept this segment anyway because it really was a major pain in the ass and needed to get it out the way for my own healths sake lol. I've practised segment three a couple times and i can do that flawlessly so i have high hopes for that. I believe 33 is still just within reach Smiley

[quote="moooh"]
[quote="giganotabehemoth87"]
just thought, when i do the SS 34 it wont be accepted if ive allready got a segmented that is faster. ( if the segmented turns out to be 33 that is.
[/quote]

It's the other way around. Segmented runs are expected to be faster than SS runs since you have the opportunity of optimizing even more.
If you make a segmented 33 minute run and after that a single segment 34 run, both can be accepted.
[/quote] ahh that does make sense. good good.

[quote="ridd3r."]
Yeah that's right, the only way to obsolete a SS run is to do a faster SS run. Also I didn't mean I have been running this game (Max Payne is what I'm running), I did speedrun this a bit for fun but not trying to break any records or anything.

Glad to see you will do a SS as well, good luck with both runs :)
[/quote] ahh ok, good luck with that run m8. Cheers

Quick update. Segment two done. From ship to red brinstar save. Must say this segment was giving me nightmares. Probabaly raised my blood pressure a bit . There's some neat tricks i managed to pull off in this segment but overall i failed quite a few easy sections. No doubt due to nerves. I decided to accept this segment anyway because it really was a major pain in the ass and needed to get it out the way for my own healths sake lol. I've practised segment three a couple times and i can do that flawlessly so i have high hopes for that. I believe 33 is still just within reach  :)

ridd3r.

2010-02-10 09:27:06 am

we have lift off

Did you manage the chozo skip? How did the phantoon fight go?