Mystical Ninja for SNES

Heidrage

2013-08-05 01:35:04 pm

Willing to teach you the impossible

It can be improved just with cleaner play. So new strats can bring in more time as well.

Beardini

2013-08-05 01:52:33 pm

to cancel your attack you can either use jump button (easiest) or up or down the yo-yo can only be canceled by up or down three coins can only be on the screen at once so keep that in mind yeah I cant find anything about bypassing the lotto its hurts me brainz Sad

its mandatory to have (as of right now)
980 x2 + throwing coinage

been finding some glitches as of lately nothing grand except one that intrigues me is you can actually jump out of bounds and get stuck (moving left or right) so maybe it can bypass getting the book but i doubt it ill have to play around some more

Heidrage

2013-08-05 02:08:50 pm

Willing to teach you the impossible

I think I am going to tinker with the 2p idea. See if anything is possible and realistic.

sledge

2013-08-05 02:27:06 pm

Perhaps a gamble-less run would be less frustrating to work on? Here's a 30:37 for reference http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm20751775

Estryark

2013-08-05 03:57:49 pm

I know what you mean there but asking to do a slower route is like aiming for a second place ;P

Heidrage

2013-08-05 05:07:59 pm

Willing to teach you the impossible

I was brought up to believe that second place was the first place loser. I dont like that mentality but it applies to top tier speedrunning

Beardini

2013-08-06 06:28:23 am

anyway heres what im playing with if anyone else wants to see if they can find anything

http://www.twitch.tv/beardini/c/2701659

http://www.twitch.tv/beardini/c/2701674

its actual to walk out of bounds once you pass the barrier it seems i dont know if thats true for all maps but it seems that
walking around at the might lead to something, or nothing who knows i think that the statue map is easiest to pull it off but you can get somewhat through on other maps

Estryark

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2013-08-06 09:23:05 pm

Here ya go 10 fights.
Some I could pull off a coin before the bombs. It's pretty sweet.

http://www.twitch.tv/estryark_/c/2705550

I like this bomb strat, I wonder if I can be useful against the Shogan (the guy with the big box).

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anyway heres what im playing with if anyone else wants to see if they can find anything

http://www.twitch.tv/beardini/c/2701659

http://www.twitch.tv/beardini/c/2701674

its actual to walk out of bounds once you pass the barrier it seems i dont know if thats true for all maps but it seems that
walking around at the might lead to something, or nothing who knows i think that the statue map is easiest to pull it off but you can get somewhat through on other maps

Yeah well, you can't actually walk when you get there, you are stuck unless you come back in the critical path. We'll have to check where this can be useful but I can't tell off the top of my head.
Also did you beat Last Ninja yet dude? ;P

Heidrage

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2013-08-06 10:31:07 pm

Willing to teach you the impossible

I kinda meant all in the same video even with failures. That would show the issues with the strat given it had any.

Are you just holding down and mashing to shoot that fast?

I dont know it it will work on the Box boss as he moves around a bunch. Second phase maybe, first phase I think is rather slim. Wont work on the face.

Take 3 bombs for lantern man (2 of them) and it is ten bombs per purchase?

Estryark

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Estryark: 2013-08-07 07:31:12 am

Estryark: 2013-08-07 07:23:52 am

2013-08-07 06:37:17 am

Quote from Heidrage:

I kinda meant all in the same video even with failures. That would show the issues with the strat given it had any.

Are you just holding down and mashing to shoot that fast?

I think showing the failures would be unecessary and it would be a pain to watch because of all the load states. I have the raws in my recorded section but they're all hidden. I guess I can unhide one for you if you really want

As already explained, to shoot fast you have to press down to cancel the recovery time of each of your coin tosses so I just mash down and Y to make sure I will shoot as fast as possible. That's why you see me proning repeatedly as I throw coins. You can also do this while in mid-air.

For the bomb strat against Lantern man, you don't want to stand too close and you don't want to stand too far. Give yourself 3-4 pixels of space between you and Lantern's arm. I do a small jump (tap B) and throw one bomb as I go upward. Wait a split second, then mash down and Y for the other bombs as I am about to fall down. If your position is correct, the first bomb should hit the side of his head and the two other bombs should detonate at the same time after Lantern's invincibility frames. If your first bomb lands at the top of his head, you'll know it's a miss and your last bombs will hit the ground, that means you were standing too close or you held jump.

It's very simple to understand but the tricky part is to stand at the right spot and drop the two last bombs as quick as possible. If there is too much interval, one bomb will miss.

Quote from Heidrage:

Take 3 bombs for lantern man (2 of them) and it is ten bombs per purchase?

You throw 3 bombs at him and it's 3 per purchase for 30$.

[quote="Heidrage"]I kinda meant all in the same video even with failures. That would show the issues with the strat given it had any.

Are you just holding down and mashing to shoot that fast?[/quote]

I think showing the failures would be unecessary and it would be a pain to watch because of all the load states. I have the raws in my recorded section but they're all hidden. I guess I can unhide one for you if you really want

As already explained, to shoot fast you have to press down to cancel the recovery time of each of your coin tosses so I just mash down and Y to make sure I will shoot as fast as possible. That's why you see me proning repeatedly as I throw coins. You can also do this while in mid-air.

For the bomb strat against Lantern man, you don't want to stand too close and you don't want to stand too far. Give yourself 3-4 pixels of space between you and Lantern's arm. I do a small jump (tap B) and throw one bomb as I go upward. Wait a split second, then mash down and Y for the other bombs as I am about to fall down. If your position is correct, the first bomb should hit the side of his head and the two other bombs should detonate at the same time after Lantern's invincibility frames. If your first bomb lands at the top of his head, you'll know it's a miss and your last bombs will hit the ground, that means you were standing too close or you held jump.
 
It's very simple to understand but the tricky part is to stand at the right spot and drop the two last bombs as quick as possible. If there is too much interval, one bomb will miss.

[quote="Heidrage"]Take 3 bombs for lantern man (2 of them) and it is ten bombs per purchase?[/quote]

You throw 3 bombs at him and it's 3 per purchase for 30$.

Beardini

2013-08-07 03:57:34 pm

that no money run was good, right up until he had to go through those statues, the last ninja must wait for now Sad

i need a break from that game haha i was too devastated

Estryark

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Estryark: 2013-08-08 10:24:40 am

2013-08-07 08:57:09 pm

I watched it just now as well. It's good but personally I think that it's a boring category...at least it's possible to do multiple full runs.

EDIT: I've been thinking about doing runs on the US cart instead of trying to beat the Japanese time, it's too crazy. Is it possible to submit times for a US version of a game even though the time is behind the Japanese version?

Beardini

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2013-12-03 06:18:11 am

well been looking into this 2p warp for heidrage and seeing the same thing come up opposite directions with the a button held heres a gif form of it https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16729527/24.gif ill try and do some more testing with it on my own (taken from tas run by zggzdydp)

Beardini

2013-12-03 10:29:56 am

did some testing this morning http://www.twitch.tv/beardini/c/3336294 theres me doing it, couldnt get it to work where you wanted it to heid i think its impossible due to it being a different map although your behind the palace of the king but i believe its still a different map entirely thats my theory anyway yup....

Beardini

2013-12-05 10:03:12 pm

so what ive concluded so far none of my theories work and even though i triple bombed the other bosses damage didnt scale for me like on the lantern boss its a dark day for me lol looking at the tas i guess cause theres 2 players somehow the trick worked but wont with 1p i dunno

Heidrage

2013-12-10 05:31:49 pm

Willing to teach you the impossible

So bombs are only useable on lantern man. That saves some money.

kakka_rot

2013-12-12 06:50:32 pm

Remember your mantra.

Just posting to say I support this thread
cheers.

Beardini

2013-12-15 11:29:37 am

heres that glitch i mentioned before in your chat heid its trying to make the face but it cannot since the dimple landed outside the screen

Beardini

2013-12-23 10:45:16 am

why is this thread access denied everytime i go to it? until i login

Heidrage

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Heidrage: 2013-12-23 12:42:13 pm

2013-12-23 12:42:04 pm

Willing to teach you the impossible

No idea.

Wrong warp notes for 1p runs: You can only wrong warp once because once the other player game overs, they cant steal a life from the other player. That is unless you can get both players to the next area in a fast manner.

I have been playing around with wrong warping in stage 5 as it does save the most time. I would like to carry over 2p and skip buying the pass, but I dont know how to do it exactly. So this is where I ask my best friend in the whole wide world Beardini to help explain how to do it. A gif like the one a few posts up would work as well. I would like to know how generous is the timing? I know 2p needs to jump as p1 enters the area, but how frame perfect is it?

Beardini

2013-12-27 08:51:09 pm

skip buying the pass hmm i tried the king room with and without the pass you got a video of someone else doing it cause i tried already if you post the vid before sunday ill spend all day trying to find it on sunday

Heidrage

2013-12-27 10:11:10 pm

Willing to teach you the impossible

Beardini

2013-12-29 10:01:32 pm

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16729527/skip.gif.gif

you dont need to jump just hold a, um you can use it anywhere at the entrance portal when you exit to the tanuki the problem is you need to be at the very edge of the the screen to do it, i made that gif to show you an easy way you dont need to touch 2nd player when you enters only the last minute and go right with him and hold a and enter the portal as normal with goemon so there is room but not really only on the entrance to the dungeon portal but you need to be on the edge of the screen with both characters thats pretty important

Heidrage

2014-01-02 07:56:48 pm

Willing to teach you the impossible

I am gunna have to say that this is a 2p only strat as I cant make both players all the way to the boss. But I really hope I can get someone else to do a coop run with me some time or another duo steps up. This stuff is awesome.

Beardini

2014-01-05 12:43:27 am

probably coulda helped you if you wanted to do a 2p player thing whenever you get back hit me up we can try zsnes or something see how laggy it is