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2005-12-31 07:23:18 am

_{Welcome to the Mystical Ninja [Ganbare Goemon] Speedrunning Thread!}

Current Categories
(Up for Debate)
Any% = Any use of Lottery or High or Low Dice game for money.
Low% = Any use of Minigames ex. Mole or Concentration for money.
100% = All Golden Cats
2P = Anytime the 2nd player comes into the game, even for wrong warp.
Warpless = No Wrong Warps.

Tricks of the Trade

* = Swag
Wrong Warps

_{ninja castle warp}

_{kabuki dungeon warp}

_{prison warp}

Lottery Glitch

Bunny Hop*

Lantern Boss Quick Kill

Kabuki Quick Kill

Ninja Castle Spikes

Daruma Quick Kill*

Anchor Spike Skip

Dialogue Skip

2 Masked Bosses 1 Ball

Final Boss Glitch

Sasuke Fight Early Cycle

Completed Runs

どして Low%1P 30:37
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm20751775

どして Any%1P 28:47
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/1354890229

Flamecookie Any%1P 33:44
http://www.twitch.tv/flamecookie/c/3974239

R3DninjaJOSH Any%1P 35:XX
http://www.twitch.tv/r3dninjajosh/c/6192701

そすう + どして Any%2P 28:16
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm23493813

Estryark Low%2P1C 30:22
http://www.twitch.tv/estryark_/c/3663147

AGDQ Heidrage Low% 2P1C 36:04

TAS zggzdydp Any%2P 24:52
http://tasvideos.org/Game/snes-the-legend-of-the-mystical-ninja.html

Game Notes

Every 8 kills a lucky cat will spawn
Every 16 kills a money person will spawn
(Kills reset when walking into a building or dungeon)

If you save the game, all map hidden items spawn even in the hidden areas!

Softlocks/Glitches

Disc Boss - if timed correctly when doing damage with a disc when its going to throw more discs it will skip a cycle and throw 4 discs at once!
Lantern Boss - If you kill him off screen he will stay alive and is virtually unkillable
Otafu Face Boss - If you kill push the jugglers off screen you have wait for the timer to kill you
Otafu Face Boss - If you kill the face close enough to the edge of the screen a dimple will go off screen and he will stare into your soul until you die by the timer
Lifesavers Dungeon - If you die at the ladder part there is a chance to where the game will softlock after you talk to the tanuki the game wont load the dungeon and you just keep walking.. timer doesnt run during this and your character is stuck walking left
Lifesavers Boss - you can kill yourself when fighting the topple part for some swag but when the next stage loads you will have no health and 1 hit will kill you!

Thread title:

[sub]       Welcome to the Mystical Ninja [Ganbare Goemon] Speedrunning Thread! [/sub]
[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16729527/TM_WiiUVC_TheLegendOTheMysticalNinja.png[/img]

Current Categories
(Up for Debate)
Any% = Any use of Lottery or High or Low Dice game for money.
Low% = Any use of Minigames ex. Mole or Concentration for money.
100% = All Golden Cats
2P = Anytime the 2nd player comes into the game, even for wrong warp.
Warpless = No Wrong Warps.

[u]Tricks of the Trade[/u]
[hidden]
* = Swag
[b]Wrong Warps[/b]
[hidden]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbLGqZ7k5bk

[sub]ninja castle warp[/sub]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSHdLWBIO7w

[sub]kabuki dungeon warp[/sub]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPiWvIzG-uU

[sub]prison warp[/sub]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-KJ8skQg3k
[/hidden]

[b]Lottery Glitch[/b]
[hidden]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_9Pz3SSLMo[/hidden]

[b]Bunny Hop*[/b]
[hidden]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jQihJcFO-k[/hidden]

[b]Lantern Boss Quick Kill[/b]
[hidden]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2MNuvKJWlY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luW5LBS0UZY
[/hidden]

[b]Kabuki Quick Kill[/b]
[hidden]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-zzsIe9s-Y[/hidden]

[b]Ninja Castle Spikes[/b]
[hidden]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlHLS-UVYSs[/hidden]

[b]Daruma Quick Kill*[/b]
[hidden]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUriscRlJX0[/hidden]

[b]Anchor Spike Skip[/b]
[hidden]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhrCg7RsDgE[/hidden]

[b]Dialogue Skip[/b]
[hidden]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovH36D5_hnQ[/hidden]

[b]2 Masked Bosses 1 Ball[/b]
[hidden]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYuKKEIx5ZM[/hidden]

[b]Final Boss Glitch[/b]
[hidden]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWwIFEN6MUE[/hidden]

[b]Sasuke Fight Early Cycle[/b]
[hidden]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrj7ZjuI7oY[/hidden]

[/hidden]

[u]Completed Runs[/u]
[hidden]

どして Low%1P 30:37
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm20751775

どして Any%1P 28:47
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/1354890229

Flamecookie Any%1P 33:44
http://www.twitch.tv/flamecookie/c/3974239

R3DninjaJOSH Any%1P 35:XX
http://www.twitch.tv/r3dninjajosh/c/6192701

そすう + どして Any%2P 28:16
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm23493813

Estryark Low%2P1C 30:22
http://www.twitch.tv/estryark_/c/3663147

AGDQ Heidrage Low% 2P1C 36:04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNPmufXBP0s

TAS zggzdydp Any%2P 24:52
http://tasvideos.org/Game/snes-the-legend-of-the-mystical-ninja.html
[/hidden]

[u]Game Notes[/u]

Every 8 kills a lucky cat will spawn
Every 16 kills a money person will spawn
(Kills reset when walking into a building or dungeon)

If you save the game, all map hidden items spawn even in the hidden areas!

[u]Softlocks/Glitches[/u]

[b]Disc Boss[/b] - if timed correctly when doing damage with a disc when its going to throw more discs it will skip a cycle and throw 4 discs at once!
[b]Lantern Boss[/b] - If you kill him off screen he will stay alive and is virtually unkillable
[b]Otafu Face Boss[/b] - If you kill push the jugglers off screen you have wait for the timer to kill you
[b]Otafu Face Boss [/b]- If you kill the face close enough to the edge of the screen a dimple will go off screen and he will stare into your soul until you die by the timer
[b]Lifesavers Dungeon[/b] - If you die at the ladder part there is a chance to where the game will softlock after you talk to the tanuki the game wont load the dungeon and you just keep walking.. timer doesnt run during this and your character is stuck walking left
[b]Lifesavers Boss[/b] - you can kill yourself when fighting the topple part for some swag but when the next stage loads you will have no health and 1 hit will kill you!

Enhasa

2005-12-31 07:39:56 am

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

It is a bit weird that the N64 game has a run but not the original on SNES, which IMHO blows the rest of the Goemons out of the water. My guess would be around 45 minutes, but I haven't done any research on this.

I've forgotten too much of this game to probably be of much help to you, but here is the TAS of it. I'll assume you know what that means. If you don't, I'm sure someone with more intestinal fortitude will be more than willing to explain.

Nathan

2006-01-02 03:22:08 am

I belive that marshmallow calls it an "emu-rape";)

Jon

2006-01-02 05:07:15 am

So, im guessing that one was used on an emulator, with slow-downs and save states, right?

Zurreco

2006-01-03 01:25:17 am

Just call me the cynicism machine

Quote:

So, im guessing that one was used on an emulator, with slow-downs and save states, right?

Assuming that you even clicked on the link, the giant text that reads:

"Please read the Why and How page if you haven't already done so. It explains the rules and methods that apply to all of these movies, particularly the use of savestates and slow-motion."

should answer your question.

Hitomi Koneko

2006-01-03 08:50:36 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Meh... "original" for snes?

I would love to see the Famicom Goemon games, followed by 2, 3 and 4 for the Super Famicom.. maybe even one of the GB games
The other 2 N64 games would be nice as well... and while I'm at it why not the playstion titles?

Weird_Jon

2006-01-05 11:19:22 pm

I have Fury!

Do you think they would accept those Japanese only ones? I would like to do 2, 3, and 4, but I'm have no idea how I'd get them. All I have are Mystical ninja and Goemon's Great Adventure.

Anyway, I was thinking of a fast way to make the $2000 i need for the pass and text. So far I think Mole is the fastest, but that would take about 5 or more minutes.

I was also wondering which would be best to use in boss fights, I saw on the other one he used the pipe, but I would prefer the coins, unless anyone knows which is better?

So far I get about 45 minutes, but i want to try get it down to about 40 or less if I can

Enhasa

2006-01-05 11:31:45 pm

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

Coins are better, if you can afford them of course.

Quote:

Meh... "original" for snes?

Right, the original Mystical Ninja for SNES, compared to the N64 Mystical Ninja. Kinda like saying the original Shadow Hearts when there's Koudelka, or saying the original Soul Reaver when there's Legacy of Kain, or saying the original Digital Devil Saga when there's Shin Megami Tensei. Not exactly, but you know what I mean.

Hitomi Koneko

2006-01-06 06:49:42 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Quote:

Coins are better, if you can afford them of course.

Right, the original Mystical Ninja for SNES, compared to the N64 Mystical Ninja. Kinda like saying the original Shadow Hearts when there's Koudelka, or saying the original Soul Reaver when there's Legacy of Kain, or saying the original Digital Devil Saga when there's Shin Megami Tensei. Not exactly, but you know what I mean.

oh kind of like how before "Mystical Ninja" there was a Ganbare Goemon for the Famicom Disk System?

next time do your research ame-koh.

HidoiMidoriRyuu

2006-01-07 03:12:05 pm

4NT

I'm planning to import Ganbare Goemon 1, 2 and 3. The 1+2 GBA remake and 2 and 3 for SFC. Then I can at least speedrun Ganbare Goemon 2. Dunno about 3, depends on if my recording hardware is compatible. (It's not with PAL60, at least.)

But before that I will finish my GGA run. I am going to resume it when I'm done with uni work.

Enhasa

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2006-01-09 10:02:22 am

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

Quote:

oh kind of like how before "Mystical Ninja" there was a Ganbare Goemon for the Famicom Disk System?

next time do your research ame-koh.

Actually, yes, that is exactly what I was saying. Maybe I should have listed a 4th analogy for you since the first 3 didn't work. And remind me never to mention Final Fantasy 1<x<7, Dragon _____, or Tales of Destiny 2 in your presence.

And I sure hope you really are Japanese if you're going to be throwing around an "insult" like that. And if so, the day I post on a Japanese message board about a game called Legend of the Mystical Ninja in the US, is the day you can start correcting me.

PS - Have a nice day! SDA is known for having some of the friendliest forums around. I hope you enjoy your stay.

Heidrage

2011-06-29 12:06:04 pm

Willing to teach you the impossible

I request control over this thread as to no create another one for the same game Smiley

dballin

2011-06-29 10:16:52 pm

Balls jerky

The posts above yours are worth keeping imo. Who needs a new thread??

Heidrage

2011-06-29 10:50:15 pm

Willing to teach you the impossible

Just trying to follow the rules around here

ZenicReverie

2011-06-30 03:19:12 am

Waiting hurts my soul...

Well, if the previous thread doesn't contain any useful information you're allowed to make a new thread. At least that's been the impression previously. About the only useful post is Enhasa's first (first in this thread, not first ever... Roll Eyes

)

Heidrage

2011-07-01 12:35:37 pm

Willing to teach you the impossible

Ok, well I guess the admin don't take an interest in this game...

AAAAANNNNNNYYYYYYY WWWWWWAAAAAAAYYYYYYY......... I have played around with this game just a bit since the poll ended. I think I can pull out a nice first... Stage? Zone? Area? Chapter? I don't remember what they be called. Anyway, expect a nice vid of the first part soon

WingedKitsune

2011-07-01 02:24:51 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Hehe, I have this game, myself. And I love it. So much fun.

ZAR

2011-07-01 05:35:48 pm

Eeeeyah!

Here's a run on nico video that gets a time of 33 minutes:

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/1286983071

It has alot of useful strategies that you could use for your own run.

Heidrage

2011-07-01 05:38:14 pm

Willing to teach you the impossible

yup, that is why I don't use Nico for research, I cant watch a damn thing on there... Any chance of getting a rip or a link that does not require a log in?

ZAR

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Eeeeyah!

Signing up isn't that hard. There are several guides you can find just from searching.

This one is pretty easy to follow: http://www.wikihow.com/Register-for-NicoVideo

Heidrage

2011-07-01 05:58:44 pm

Willing to teach you the impossible

says video can not be played.

お探しの動画は再生できません

この動画はししゃもの紳士の集いに参加すると視聴できるようになります。

Google trans into:

You can not play videos you're looking for

This video will allow viewers to participate in the meeting of the gentlemen of capelin.

ZAR

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ZAR: 2011-07-01 07:12:58 pm

2011-07-01 06:08:36 pm

Eeeeyah!

I think that the probelm might be that you have to join this guys community: http://com.nicovideo.jp/community/co172435

To do that just click the bright orange box at the top of the page. Then click the little black box.

Heidrage

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Heidrage: 2011-07-01 06:26:32 pm

2011-07-01 06:09:46 pm

Willing to teach you the impossible

Win, thanks

Edit: My next post is gunna be my thoughts as I watch it.

Heidrage

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2011-07-01 06:56:59 pm

Willing to teach you the impossible

Up to the first boss, I see a few things that was not exactly smooth. Does not need to farm for money or go for the extra $100 (I know it is yen or something in the game but IDC!!!) As all the money needed for the run is gathered in the lotto in stage 2 (yes, i expect lots of run attempts ending here for me). Side note, the video quality blows... Again, farming for money is a no no.

WOW LUCKY BASTARD!!!! Hit the lotto on first go. He be set for the rest of the game. Only need 2k and he now has 10k. So just for others to know, either hit the big one once, or the 2nd place prize twice and your golden. As you need 2 items that cost about 1k each to finish the game. Also see he grabbed the kitty (I am sure it has a name) and now has lvl 3 weapon. This makes things a bit tougher but there is a weapon animation cancel given this does happen. During an attack, press the d-pad in the opposite direction and you gain control again. It is my preference to stay at lvl 2 weapon. Second boss can be MUCH faster.

Took an unnecessary hit in third area. I am getting the feeling this is a rather casual run. 3rd boss can be a bit faster, but not much.

I am enjoying up to the 4th boss, and I enjoyed his 4th boss fight.

Ugh, up to fifth boss makes me want to bring up a point about this game. This game is NOT random. Well, in the areas it matters any way. In the 2d areas, everything is set. When in the 3d (ish?) areas the spawns are random. The kitty drops are not though. Every 8th kill, you get a kitty. I will be counting to 8 during this run a bunch. And while streaming, don't expect much chatter from me because of my having to count ALL THE DAMN TIME. Might hear me count it out too :P.

Ending this post and will finish up the rest of the run in the next post. timer on the vid says 21:26

Edit: what is up with the sexy voice that pops up every now and then... makes me think he is getting some while making this run...

Up to the first boss, I see a few things that was not exactly smooth. Does not need to farm for money or go for the extra $100 (I know it is yen or something in the game but IDC!!!) As all the money needed for the run is gathered in the lotto in stage 2 (yes, i expect lots of run attempts ending here for me). Side note, the video quality blows... Again, farming for money is a no no.

WOW LUCKY BASTARD!!!! Hit the lotto on first go. He be set for the rest of the game. Only need 2k and he now has 10k. So just for others to know, either hit the big one once, or the 2nd place prize twice and your golden. As you need 2 items that cost about 1k each to finish the game. Also see he grabbed the kitty (I am sure it has a name) and now has lvl 3 weapon. This makes things a bit tougher but there is a weapon animation cancel given this does happen. During an attack, press the d-pad in the opposite direction and you gain control again. It is my preference to stay at lvl 2 weapon. Second boss can be MUCH faster.

Took an unnecessary hit in third area. I am getting the feeling this is a rather casual run. 3rd boss can be a bit faster, but not much.

I am enjoying up to the 4th boss, and I enjoyed his 4th boss fight.

Ugh, up to fifth boss makes me want to bring up a point about this game. This game is NOT random. Well, in the areas it matters any way. In the 2d areas, everything is set. When in the 3d (ish?) areas the spawns are random. The kitty drops are not though. Every 8th kill, you get a kitty. I will be counting to 8 during this run a bunch. And while streaming, don't expect much chatter from me because of my having to count ALL THE DAMN TIME. Might hear me count it out too :P.

Ending this post and will finish up the rest of the run in the next post. timer on the vid says 21:26

Edit: what is up with the sexy voice that pops up every now and then... makes me think he is getting some while making this run...

Heidrage

2011-07-01 07:13:21 pm

Willing to teach you the impossible

I am now up to 26:50. Some nice things here and there, but overall nothing special. There are a bunch of areas that can be better planned and executed. Multi head boss can be more aggressive, I enjoyed the final head of that boss though, 2 hit kill. The circle platforming I KNOW can be better.

I will not comment on the cloud platforming... Final boss was ok. Got a new trick out of this vid.

Overall, I think a good goal time to start with is sub 31:00. After some playing around myself and strat development, that time will be adjusted. But as of now, I think that is a good goal time.