Mystical Ninja for SNES

Estryark

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2014-02-18 09:58:11 am

People will either want to pick another minigame or go without them at all if they don't want to lotto. For me that's two different routes. If we put those two together for an any% category, everybody will go dice in the end because its the fastest with the biggest chance of winning, I personally think that this is not the way to go and think that they should be split up.

This whole thing is complicated and I can't really figure it out.
Glitched lotto should be is own thing
Normal lotto, or any other kind of minigames, whack-a-mole, dice etc, should all be together in the same category but this seems to cause issues for other people...
Not using any of those above, is a 3rd one.

Beardini

2014-03-29 08:19:54 pm

honestly i could care less about 100% any% rulings. but i do demand 1p controlling 2p to be called ForeverAlone% or FA% for short i think its pretty fitting lol and congrats to flamecookie for his new pb! *updated first post

FlameCookie

2014-04-12 03:25:51 am

Thanks. Is it possible to get a better glitchless lottery than this?

Beardini

2014-05-23 02:56:18 pm

If anyone is still here haha
I would like to propose any% lottery and low% is with or without minigames I believe that would be fair.

FawkesFire

2014-06-27 01:07:57 am

Heya! I just started running this game, and i'd love someone to practice races with, or just talk about the game or whatever. Hope someone sees this! Smiley

Beardini

2014-06-28 01:18:10 am

yeah def man everyone seemed to abandoned the thread hit me up anytime i stream at twitch.tv/beardini

PrinnyTonic

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PrinnyTonic: 2014-06-28 07:59:24 am

2014-06-28 07:58:55 am

German to the Past

Hey. Since I am a little burned out on ALTTP I recently finally started practicing Goemon.

I am currently playing 1player 2 Controllers with Mini Games but without Lotto. (So it's low% No Lotto? I used to call it Any% 2P no gmbl)

Since I have to manouver Goemon and Ebisumaru at some points I adapted the technique I've seen on the Lost Viking run at SGDQ. This gives the possibility to move both characters at the same time (without using your feet - shoutouts to Heide ), so it's pretty precise.
Using this technique I can have Ebisumaru attack some dudes before the Sasuke-fight - which I still suck balls at. But I can also sacrifice him very efficently after the monkey-mountain wrong warp by having him damaged just enough to die by the first monkey. Have this video (ignore the SGDQ audio in the back :D)

Hope it is usefull. :\

Beardini

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Beardini: 2014-06-28 11:33:06 pm

2014-06-28 04:28:17 pm

heh yeah that trick is necessary heid was going to use that trick but he just learned about it like a week before his run from the japanese rta's. Yeah i watched the lost vikings run on sgdq very interesting how he held the controllers though cannot help me sadly since i use an arcade stick kinda makes me jealous lol. im so happy to hear from you prinny! thought everyone abandon the game Sad

some edits
could of been the TAS i recommend everyone to watch the mystical ninja tas runs they show alot of tricks i know the japanese runs are hard to watch cause niconico isnt that friendly lol anyway welcome fire and wb prinny <3

FawkesFire

2014-06-29 01:08:19 am

Hey thanks for the welcome! Prinny or Beard, can you guys explain the wrong way warp? I can't seem to get the one Prinny just linked consistantly. Does the 2P have to be moving a certain way? Do I have to enter the Tanooki zone a special way? Sometimes I get softlocked onto another screen while doing it. Thanks for the help!

PrinnyTonic

2014-06-29 07:37:52 am

German to the Past

Hey Fawkes,

An easy and consistenr way to get the wrong warp is as follows:

* Enter the screen before the Tanooki.
* Hold A on the controller of your moving character (goemon in my example). This allows the view to scroll even more than usual.
* move left until you are not able to do so anymore. (Do not let go of the a button)
* hold right on the other controller so that the character walks into the right side of the screen (still holding a on the first controller)
*while walkong right on Pad 2 and holding A on Pad 1 enter the screen transition to the Tanooki with your charakter.

The softlock occurs if you do this method on any other of those screens than the last one.
Give me a shot if it worked for you. If not I'll provide you with a video.

@Beardini: will you be at evo?

When are good times (including timezone) for both of you to watch any of my practice streams?

PrinnyTonic

2014-06-29 08:08:23 am

German to the Past

In terms of Categorys:

* Any% - Everying goes
* Any% (Warpless) - No wrong warps
* Any% (No Lotto) - No Lotto, Mini Games go. I would put dice as "Lotto" since it is conpletly luck based. So "no GMBL" (no gamble) would be good.

Beardini

2014-06-29 09:09:18 am

Nah, last time ive been at evo was when sf4 released heh, I havent been serious in fighting games in awhile.
But we still get to use low% So lets call

Low% - no gambling (this category includes minigames since it is a pretty big time sink)
Any% - gambling (dice or lottery)
well warps is only able to be done with 2p and once 2p is entered its automatically stated as 2p run even if 1 person is controller both characters. but you could use the tag (Warpless) for a 2p run
i think it would be easier to just call it low% and sda should accept the tag since we are running with just enough funds throughout the game

was thinking about maybe
100% = all golden cats? i think that would be cool heh

PrinnyTonic

2014-06-29 09:31:46 am

German to the Past

All golden cats sounds legit. Maybe also all super arts?

So are we on the same page counting dice game as Lotto?

So I am doing Low% (1P2C) right now.

Beardini

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2014-06-29 09:47:13 am

all super arts would be hard since you lose the super art after every level
yeah same page on dice as lotto
same low% i think most people will do that category since it has most to offer, flamecookie was the only one that did 1pany% he kind of disappeared after i showed him the lottery glitch

ill change the first page later tonight

quick edit yeah we could do all super arts throughout the game to show em off it would be harder cause only certain super arts show up throughout the game i think you can get em again at the last stage we would have to see if that would pan out since the 2 super arts arent always the same i know the mount one shows up repeatedly but yeah

PrinnyTonic

2014-06-29 10:09:14 am

German to the Past

Yeah... Gold cats would be better. Don't you need money to buy the SAs, too? Also a point against it.

Beardini

2014-06-29 10:11:27 am

yeah i think the flying one is necessary in the castle against sasuke i think thats all you would need though or if you had 2 people wouldnt need it

FawkesFire

2014-06-29 04:47:01 pm

I can pretty much watch your guy's streams whenever, Beard you haven't been live since you told me I could come say hi. Smiley

This is the first game i've ever even considered speedrunning, and just started a few days ago, so the low% warpless is what i've been running and trying to get a good path with. I don't think the warp looks too hard though, and shouldn't take me much practice to get. Thank you so much for starting up conversation again! Prinny, I'll try that warp some more and let you know how it goes.

PrinnyTonic

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2014-06-30 01:43:49 am

German to the Past

If you need help with the other two warps, just leave a message Smiley

One thing that bugs me with the categorys right now is the way we handle 2P. I think 1P2C should be sepperate from 2P. If you watch the TAS, you can see so much mire stuff you can do with 2 human players that are not practical in 1P2C.

Also, should we consider splitting it up like this:

Any%
Any% (No Lotto)
Low%

Low% being runs without Lotto or Mini Games. After reconsidering I think it i better this way since the low% route would be completly different than the Any% route since you have to clear some other secret passages. Thoughts?

FawkesFire

2014-06-30 03:35:08 am

I can nail the mole game, I'm really not interested in doing the Lotto or Dice, so Low% might be my run of choice. Even if it isn't close to as fast, I think it shows off more of the game and slightly more skill. (And RNG based attempts make me barf)

PrinnyTonic

2014-06-30 09:43:43 am

German to the Past

Maybe I'll practice on stream in about an hour.

Beardini

2014-06-30 01:23:28 pm

I hear what your saying prinny with the 1P2C the problem is sda rules once second player enters the game it becomes a 2 player run. Unless sda changes that rule for 1p2c cant really do anything about it. (other than putting a note in the speedrun when I list it on first page) Also with the Any% low% Any%(Lotto) i dont think that would be a good idea thats basically saying..
minigames
lottery
nothing
as different categories we all know minigames will be dropped once a decent nothing route is found I would rather lumpsum those two than anything

PrinnyTonic

2014-07-16 02:44:05 pm

German to the Past

Streaming right now. http://www.twitch.tv/omfgprinnydood

WAMOH

2014-07-21 04:37:19 pm

Hi. What are the super arts ? Are they the secret items, like kid dracula head (stage 1) and lollipo (stage 3) ? Btw, what/where are all the secrets/golden cats on this game ? So far i got:

stage 1: kid dracula at horo entrance / cave under the bell
stage 2: cave at left of sauna / a secret item at red bridge
stage 3: lollipop at entrance / a secret item at the right side on the beggining of the final bridge (parodius one)
stage 4: two caves (one on the second area and one on the left white bulding)
stage 5: secret item at the last mailbox, before the falling rocks

Beardini

2014-07-27 08:26:15 pm

well hmm off the top of my head the secret items are
s1 horo
s2 bridge & very right of cave entrance
s3 entrance ticket window & exit on the right entrance of bridge
s4 none
s5 mailbox
s6 none
s7 none
s8 none
s9 none

secret entrances
s1 under bell
s2 left of sauna
s3 none
s4 right of shop between two buildings & left end of white building by bridge
s5 underneath platform in dungeon entrance
s6 if you go straight up from start & by houses on right at the very bottom right area secret is top left
s7 none
s8 3 different statue areas
s9 left of king & go right from left of king secret pass the up exit should be on that wall

lets see super arts are just jutsu you can pay money for like the mount full screen attack or making your guy flying

golden cats ill try and remember
s1 secret
s2 secret
s3 none
s4 secret, 2 behind the walls of the first area of the dungeon and top of the pole climb
s5 under platform area , 2 hidden in the different crawl spaces
s6 not sure
s7 2 in the dungeon
s8 3? each statue
s9 2 ea secret

not 100% on those cats ill make a definate list eventually this is just top of my head

well hmm off the top of my head the secret items are
s1 horo
s2 bridge & very right of cave entrance
s3 entrance ticket window & exit on the right entrance of bridge
s4 none
s5 mailbox
s6 none
s7 none
s8 none
s9 none

secret entrances
s1 under bell
s2 left of sauna
s3 none
s4 right of shop between two buildings & left end of white building by bridge
s5 underneath platform in dungeon entrance
s6 if you go straight up from start & by houses on right at the very bottom right area secret is top left
s7 none
s8 3 different statue areas
s9 left of king & go right from left of king secret pass the up exit should be on that wall

lets see super arts are just jutsu  you can pay money for like the mount full screen attack or making your guy flying

golden cats ill try and remember
s1 secret
s2 secret
s3 none
s4 secret, 2 behind the walls of the first area of the dungeon and top of the pole climb
s5 under platform area ,  2 hidden in the different crawl spaces
s6 not sure
s7 2 in the dungeon
s8 3? each statue
s9 2 ea secret

not 100% on those cats ill make a definate list eventually this is just top of my head

Heidrage

2014-08-05 06:20:09 pm

Willing to teach you the impossible

It is cool to see what yall are doing to this game. Im glad yall are enjoying it.