Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (GBA)

Samoht

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Samoht: 2008-06-27 10:19:43 am

2008-02-09 02:44:25 am

I think a topic of this should be started. Any new run ideas?

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ZFG

2008-02-09 03:13:10 am

MrGrunz is a guay

A new segmented any% using the ocarina glitch sub 2:25. I would try it after my first few speedruns but my gameboy player disk is so ****ing scratched :(.

Samoht

2008-02-09 04:05:06 am

I actually think it could be faster then that. with the ability to skip the royal valley, water fall, part of the temple of droplets (which i think is a retarded name for a dungeon :P), alot of dark hyrule castle, and if you go very fast, it could probably save a good 30 minutes off of TSAs run, resulting in sub 2:20 (despite the time it takes to save). i might also try a run of this after finishing or quitting my oot one. BTW, can someone tell me where the gba input is on the GCN? I might sound stupid, but i cant find it.

ZFG

2008-02-09 05:05:41 am

MrGrunz is a guay

It could probably be sub 2:20 but I didn't want to make the aim too low.

Do you have the gameboy player?

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2008-02-09 05:11:00 am

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BTW, can someone tell me where the gba input is on the GCN? I might sound stupid, but i cant find it.

If you mean one of these...

http://www.amazon.com/Game-Player-Accessory-Nintendo-GameCube/dp/B000090W86

...you will have trouble finding it, unless you are looking in a shop. And even then you will need a bit of luck I would believe. The Gameboy player is not standard on the Gamecube. You need to buy it first.

Edit: Oh and I would switch to this now. OoT seems to be the most sped run game. I would go back to it if you ever get more experience by completing this run.

No offense intended, we have all got to start some where, but being thrown in at the deep end is not always a good thing.

e_alert

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e_alert: 2008-02-11 05:57:12 am

2008-02-11 05:48:41 am

With overall optimisation, including better use and management of items, getting the right Tiger Scrolls, an updated route, and making no mistakes, with the current tricks (excluding aforementioned Ocarina Glitch) about 2:20 is the limit. Making no mistakes is the key - like TSA said in his comments, the consequences for mistakes in a TMC run are large.

With the Ocarina Glitch, sub-2:00 might be possible, depending on how useful the glitch turns out to be for speed running. I imagine it will find the most use in dungeons, allowing a lot of skipping due to the nature of how dungeons work.

I actually tried running this game a couple of years ago, but I never ended up completing it due to a lack of GBP. So it would be great to see someone run this.

ZFG

2008-02-12 09:15:13 pm

MrGrunz is a guay

I found something for the first boss. It is impossible to beat it in less than 3 cycles. In fact, you can only hit it 3 times for cycles 1 and 2 then mash like hell on 3 and still get the same as you would if you mashed like hell on 1 and 2.

Samoht

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Samoht: 2008-02-13 09:08:15 pm

2008-02-13 09:02:28 pm

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I found something for the first boss. It is impossible to beat it in less than 3 cycles. In fact, you can only hit it 3 times for cycles 1 and 2 then mash like hell on 3 and still get the same as you would if you mashed like hell on 1 and 2.

I guess that saves button mashing energy. Also, does anyone know if you can beat the first miniboss in 1 cycle? my record is 2 cycles, but on the second cycle i only had to strike a few times

P.S. Im not a n00b at oot, paused, im actually very good at it

Zurreco

2008-02-13 10:15:06 pm

Just call me the cynicism machine

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does anyone know if you can beat the first miniboss in 1 cycle?

2 cycle minimum, as demonstrated by Atma.

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2008-02-13 10:41:27 pm

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P.S. Im not a n00b at oot, paused, im actually very good at it

If you are offended you should not have been.

It was meant as advice as your new to the site, and usually that means you are new at speed running too.

If you are so very good at it, feel free to try one of the most competed games on the site. It just usually puts most people off once they try. Clearly not the case here. I will definetly watch it when it is submitted.

Samoht

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Samoht: 2008-04-18 10:38:11 pm

2008-02-13 11:10:38 pm

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If you are offended you should not have been.

It was meant as advice as your new to the site, and usually that means you are new at speed running too.

If you are so very good at it, feel free to try one of the most competed games on the site. It just usually puts most people off once they try. Clearly not the case here. I will definetly watch it when it is submitted.

Eh... i wasnt offended at all. its common for people to think your not very good at a game if your a begginner donkey didler. i was just stating that i wasnt bad at the game.

And I'm not new to the site. I'm new to the forum, yes, but I have know about speedrunning for a long time.

ZFG

2008-02-14 10:32:13 pm

MrGrunz is a guay

About the first boss 3 cycle thing, its actually faster to mash on all 3 cycles.

Some small timesavers:

After the last hit to the first boss, using the 1-2 seconds you have before the cutscene, try to run to the middle to minimize the time you have to walk there during the cutscene

I'm not sure what causes this, but sometimes on the first boss when it loses its balance, it will either move right, left, right, left, fall or left, right, left, fall. Until we can figure out how to get LRL consistently, try to get it at least 2/3 cycles. I haven't been able to get it 3 times in a row yet though.

When getting the spin attack, while charging it, move towards the door to minimize the time to get there after getting the scroll.

I think I will try making a route soon.

Samoht

2008-02-14 11:47:05 pm

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About the first boss 3 cycle thing, its actually faster to mash on all 3 cycles.

Some small timesavers:

After the last hit to the first boss, using the 1-2 seconds you have before the cutscene, try to run to the middle to minimize the time you have to walk there during the cutscene

I'm not sure what causes this, but sometimes on the first boss when it loses its balance, it will either move right, left, right, left, fall or left, right, left, fall. Until we can figure out how to get LRL consistently, try to get it at least 2/3 cycles. I haven't been able to get it 3 times in a row yet though.

When getting the spin attack, while charging it, move towards the door to minimize the time to get there after getting the scroll.

I think I will try making a route soon.

Um... im not sure if a route will be worth the work. its pretty obvious if you know where to use glitches. but if you want to you can go ahead anyway, its just that minish cap isnt a very complicated route-planning game like oot.

[quote]About the first boss 3 cycle thing, its actually faster to mash on all 3 cycles.

Some small timesavers:

After the last hit to the first boss, using the 1-2 seconds you have before the cutscene, try to run to the middle to minimize the time you have to walk there during the cutscene

I'm not sure what causes this, but sometimes on the first boss when it loses its balance, it will either move right, left, right, left, fall or left, right, left, fall.  Until we can figure out how to get LRL consistently, try to get it at least 2/3 cycles.  I haven't been able to get it 3 times in a row yet though.

When getting the spin attack, while charging it, move towards the door to minimize the time to get there after getting the scroll.

I think I will try making a route soon.[/quote]
Um... im not sure if a route will be worth the work. its pretty obvious if you know where to use glitches. but if you want to you can go ahead anyway, its just that minish cap isnt a very complicated route-planning game like oot.

ZFG

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ZFG: 2008-02-15 12:12:16 am

2008-02-15 12:12:04 am

MrGrunz is a guay

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Um... im not sure if a route will be worth the work. its pretty obvious if you know where to use glitches. but if you want to you can go ahead anyway, its just that minish cap isnt a very complicated route-planning game like oot.

Well its always good to have a route handy anyway ;). Plus I have found a couple savewarps to save a bit of time.

Samoht

2008-02-15 05:12:59 am

Ok, i decided im going to do an any% segmented minish cap run. Paused, you were right, the oot run is ALOT of work, and id probably want to hold that off for later. However, im not sure id be comfortable submitting it to sda. is there anyone with past-speed demos archive speed run submitting experience who i can ask something?

ZFG

2008-02-15 05:18:50 am

MrGrunz is a guay

Ok, I've got a 4 day weekend so I can probably make a quick route with all those savewarps in a day or 2.

ZFG

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ZFG: 2008-02-22 05:52:24 pm

2008-02-16 08:54:25 pm

MrGrunz is a guay

Heres the route I have so far.

seg 1

-name
-text speed fast
-intro
-talk to smith
-20R in chest
*optional save*
-out door
-jump off ledge to the left
-go to hyrule town
-get shield
-go to NHF
-deku scrub
-hyrule castle
-cutscene
-save

seg 2

-smiths sword
-exit castle
-make way to minish woods
-get ezlo
-become minish
-go to village
*optional save*
-talk to festari
-get jabber nut
-talk to elder
-go back to festari
-enter DWS
-save

seg 3

-push statue
-get/use key in next room
-pull switch and use mushroom to jump over th water
-press the switch on the right
-go in barrel and press switches on the left
-go in lower-left hole of barrel
-push pot on switches
-statues on switches and get key
-back to barrel room
-upper right hole
-use key
-mushroom acros the room
-statue on switch (roll through enemies here)
-kill red things for key
-go to caterpillar room
-kill it (2C)
-hit switch in last room to open door
-pull web in the barrel
-lilly pad to key
-get big key
-save

seg 4

-pull web on left side
-get 20R chest
-save

seg 5

-go to boss (3C)
-element
-HC if you want
-go to elder
-get bombs
-go to eastern hills
*optional save*
-mushroom launch across gap
-go to south hyrule field
-get SHF warp stone thing
-go to hyrule town
*optional save*
-kinstone fusion
-spin attack
-tribly highlands
*optional save*
-go down ladder
-blow up wall
-get bottle
-go to Mt crennel
-save

seg 6

-get water
-go on right vine for 20R
-water other vine
-get mineral wter
-go right and blow up wall
-go in the cave
-mushroom across gap
-exit and whirlwind across
-find minish rock
-get sed and plant it
-mineral water on seed
-mushroom trick to skip cave
-get grip ring
-go to long climbable wall and up
-mushroom across gap
-rock puzzle
-get up to merlaris mines
-cave of flames
-save

seg 7

-blow up wall in 2nd room (use bob-omb like enemy)
-kill spike shell things
-down stairs
-go to mine kart
-blow up another wall (bob-omb again)
-kill helmet guys
-minish
-go to fiery room
-unminish
-hit switch and go in next room
-hit switch
-get key
-get in mine kart
-use key
-hit kark switch
-in kart again
-go to upside down kart room
-kill silver chus for CoP
-go back to upside down kart room
-flip kart and ride
-get key
-ride again
-use key in the room after CoP
-minish through maze
-flip kart
-kart switch
-ride
-enemies in hole
-hit switch
-go to boss door room
-ride platforms to whirlwinds
-get 100R chest near bottom right corner of last room
-whirlwind to BK
*optional hit switch and save*
-in the boss room
-kill him (3C)
-element & HC
-get white sword
-down the mountain
-go to hyrule town and get the warp stone
-go to hyrule castle
-elemental sanctuary
-infuse sword
-save in hyrule castle garden

seg 8

-kill moblins
-go to western wood & cutscene
-go to castor wilds
-go in and out of swamp water
-save

seg 9

-go to hyrule town via tribly highlands (push rock in hole)
-go to rem's store
-get witches hut on map
-go to lon lon ranch
-get key
-go to lake hylia with whirlwinds
-go to minish woods
-buy wake up mushroom from witches hut
-save

seg 10

-go to hyrule town
-give rem WUM
-get pegasus boots
-save

seg 11

-dash across town to tribly highlands
-go to western wood
-go to castor wilds
-save

seg 12

-get the yellow kinstone from the cave with lots of grass surounding it
-save

seg 13

-dash to the minish pedestal in the north west
-get the bow
-save

seg 14

-get the kinstone from the north east cave
-save

seg 15

-get the kinstone from the southen most cave
-go left to the statues
-fuse and go to wind ruins
-save

seg 16

-go through wind ruins to fortress of winds
-save in FoW

seg 17

Use This video as a route exept savewarp after the first key, second key and big key.

seg 18

-go to boss
-get HC if you want
-ALL MIGHTY OCARINA!
-warp to lake hylia
-talk to minish
-warp to hyrule town
-save

seg 19

-go to library
-go upstairs
-go outside and turn minish
-talk to yellow picori on bookshelf
-go back outside and grow
-go downstairs and talk to librarian
-get water in bottle
-go to purble house
-douse fire
-minish to other house
-push book down
-go back to other house and grow
-get book
-save

seg 20

-dash to library
-give book
-dash to coffe house
-minish
-go to left side of town
-grow in carpenter house
-get water
-go to the house with the dog next to it
-put out the fire
-go to carpenters house and become minish
-go to dog and tell him to move
-go back to purple house
-talk to the minish in the hole
-go up the chimney
-go to wind tribe guy's house
-go out the back and go to the hole in the fountain
-get power braclets
-save

seg 21

-dash to the left side
-dash to purple house
-go to the top of the house
-stand on the book while doubled to make it fall
-grow in carpenters house
-get book
-save

seg 22

-dash to library
-give book
-go outside and warp to lake hylia
-go to lon lon ranch to the left
-use whirlwinds to go to minish woods
-use mole mits on hole under witches hut
-go up until you find the ladder
-go right to hagens house
-dash into tree
-minish and go to hagens house from the back
-push the book down
-go back outside and grow
-get book
-go outside and warp to hyrule town
*optional save*
-dash to library
-give book
-go upstairs and minish
-get to librari
-get flippers
-save

seg 23

-warp to lake hylia
-swim to temple of droplets
-save inside

seg 24

Use this video as a route exept use the ice block puzzle skip.

seg 25

-use blue warp
-do ocarina glitch down the stairs
-get to 2nd switch
-fight boss. Use maximum optimization
-HC and element
-exit
-gustaf cutscene
-warp to hyrule town
-dash across NHF
-sneak past gauds
-get to elemental sanctuary
-infuse sword
-go back to garden
-warp to hyrule town
-save

seg 26

-go to school
-get the red kinstone at the top of school
-save

seg 27

-go to wind tribe guy's house
-fuse kinstones
-warp to SHF
-dash to warp
-ocarina glitch past fat lady
-ocarina glitch past small guy
-go to palace of winds
-save

seg 28

Use This video as a route. Save after the blue warp if you want. At 2:47 you can jump down to skip half of the room and save a few seconds

seg 29(If you save at blue warp)

Use this video as a route. Warp to hyrule town after gyorg pair.

For both seg 26 and 27, When continuosly jumping on the clouds to go up to the next room, always jump at the back of the cloud and you can skip jumping on the last one.

Seg 30

-dash across NHF to the castle
-get to the sanctuary
-infuse sword
-cutscene
-unstone gaurds/old guy
-get to dark hyrule castle
-save

seg 31 - 36

(Save after going in and out of the castle for the savewarp point and save after big key)

On some bosses/minibosses I put #C. This means how many cycles it should be. Any more and you should restart the segment. Also for the first boss, (and 4th miniboss) go to the side that it leans to first and it should only do 3 leans.

Heres the route I have so far.

seg 1

-name
-text speed fast
-intro
-talk to smith
-20R in chest
*optional save*
-out door
-jump off ledge to the left
-go to hyrule town
-get shield
-go to NHF
-deku scrub
-hyrule castle
-cutscene
-save

seg 2

-smiths sword
-exit castle
-make way to minish woods
-get ezlo
-become minish
-go to village
*optional save*
-talk to festari
-get jabber nut
-talk to elder
-go back to festari
-enter DWS
-save

seg 3

-push statue
-get/use key in next room
-pull switch and use mushroom to jump over th water
-press the switch on the right
-go in barrel and press switches on the left
-go in lower-left hole of barrel
-push pot on switches
-statues on switches and get key
-back to barrel room
-upper right hole
-use key
-mushroom acros the room
-statue on switch (roll through enemies here)
-kill red things for key
-go to caterpillar room
-kill it (2C)
-hit switch in last room to open door
-pull web in the barrel
-lilly pad to key
-get big key
-save

seg 4

-pull web on left side
-get 20R chest
-save

seg 5

-go to boss (3C)
-element
-HC if you want
-go to elder
-get bombs
-go to eastern hills
*optional save*
-mushroom launch across gap
-go to south hyrule field
-get SHF warp stone thing
-go to hyrule town
*optional save*
-kinstone fusion
-spin attack
-tribly highlands
*optional save*
-go down ladder
-blow up wall
-get bottle
-go to Mt crennel
-save

seg 6

-get water
-go on right vine for 20R
-water other vine
-get mineral wter
-go right and blow up wall
-go in the cave
-mushroom across gap
-exit and whirlwind across
-find minish rock
-get sed and plant it
-mineral water on seed
-mushroom trick to skip cave
-get grip ring
-go to long climbable wall and up
-mushroom across gap
-rock puzzle
-get up to merlaris mines
-cave of flames
-save

seg 7

-blow up wall in 2nd room (use bob-omb like enemy)
-kill spike shell things
-down stairs
-go to mine kart
-blow up another wall (bob-omb again)
-kill helmet guys
-minish
-go to fiery room
-unminish
-hit switch and go in next room
-hit switch
-get key
-get in mine kart
-use key
-hit kark switch
-in kart again
-go to upside down kart room
-kill silver chus for CoP
-go back to upside down kart room
-flip kart and ride
-get key
-ride again
-use key in the room after CoP
-minish through maze
-flip kart
-kart switch
-ride
-enemies in hole
-hit switch
-go to boss door room
-ride platforms to whirlwinds
-get 100R chest near bottom right corner of last room
-whirlwind to BK
*optional hit switch and save*
-in the boss room
-kill him (3C)
-element & HC
-get white sword
-down the mountain
-go to hyrule town and get the warp stone
-go to hyrule castle
-elemental sanctuary
-infuse sword
-save in hyrule castle garden

seg 8

-kill moblins
-go to western wood & cutscene
-go to castor wilds
-go in and out of swamp water
-save

seg 9

-go to hyrule town via tribly highlands (push rock in hole)
-go to rem's store
-get witches hut on map
-go to lon lon ranch
-get key
-go to lake hylia with whirlwinds
-go to minish woods
-buy wake up mushroom from witches hut
-save

seg 10

-go to hyrule town
-give rem WUM
-get pegasus boots
-save

seg 11

-dash across town to tribly highlands
-go to western wood
-go to castor wilds
-save

seg 12

-get the yellow kinstone from the cave with lots of grass surounding it
-save

seg 13

-dash to the minish pedestal in the north west
-get the bow
-save

seg 14

-get the kinstone from the north east cave
-save

seg 15

-get the kinstone from the southen most cave
-go left to the statues
-fuse and go to wind ruins
-save

seg 16

-go through wind ruins to fortress of winds
-save in FoW

seg 17

Use [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CH8XPtxTB4]This video[/url] as a route exept savewarp after the first key, second key and big key.

seg 18

-go to boss
-get HC if you want
-ALL MIGHTY OCARINA!
-warp to lake hylia
-talk to minish
-warp to hyrule town
-save

seg 19

-go to library
-go upstairs
-go outside and turn minish
-talk to yellow picori on bookshelf
-go back outside and grow
-go downstairs and talk to librarian
-get water in bottle
-go to purble house
-douse fire
-minish to other house
-push book down
-go back to other house and grow
-get book
-save

seg 20

-dash to library
-give book
-dash to coffe house
-minish
-go to left side of town
-grow in carpenter house
-get water
-go to the house with the dog next to it
-put out the fire
-go to carpenters house and become minish
-go to dog and tell him to move
-go back to purple house
-talk to the minish in the hole
-go up the chimney
-go to wind tribe guy's house
-go out the back and go to the hole in the fountain
-get power braclets
-save

seg 21

-dash to the left side
-dash to purple house
-go to the top of the house
-stand on the book while doubled to make it fall
-grow in carpenters house
-get book
-save

seg 22

-dash to library
-give book
-go outside and warp to lake hylia
-go to lon lon ranch to the left
-use whirlwinds to go to minish woods
-use mole mits on hole under witches hut
-go up until you find the ladder
-go right to hagens house
-dash into tree
-minish and go to hagens house from the back
-push the book down
-go back outside and grow
-get book
-go outside and warp to hyrule town
*optional save*
-dash to library
-give book
-go upstairs and minish
-get to librari
-get flippers
-save

seg 23

-warp to lake hylia
-swim to temple of droplets
-save inside

seg 24

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOyVze4sCq8]Use this video[/url] as a route exept use the ice block puzzle skip.

seg 25

-use blue warp
-do ocarina glitch down the stairs
-get to 2nd switch
-fight boss.  Use maximum optimization
-HC and element
-exit
-gustaf cutscene
-warp to hyrule town
-dash across NHF
-sneak past gauds
-get to elemental sanctuary
-infuse sword
-go back to garden
-warp to hyrule town
-save

seg 26

-go to school
-get the red kinstone at the top of school
-save

seg 27

-go to wind tribe guy's house
-fuse kinstones
-warp to SHF
-dash to warp
-ocarina glitch past fat lady
-ocarina glitch past small guy
-go to palace of winds
-save

seg 28

Use [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPIwaRSGcY0]This video[/url] as a route.  Save after the blue warp if you want.  At 2:47 you can jump down to skip half of the room and save a few seconds

seg 29(If you save at blue warp)

Use [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2zJh8oOC2Q]this video[/url] as a route.  Warp to hyrule town after gyorg pair.

For both seg 26 and 27, When continuosly jumping on the clouds to go up to the next room, always jump at the back of the cloud and you can skip jumping on the last one.

Seg 30

-dash across NHF to the castle
-get to the sanctuary
-infuse sword
-cutscene
-unstone gaurds/old guy
-get to dark hyrule castle
-save

seg 31 - 36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX-kBzbFCAY (Save after going in and out of the castle for the savewarp point and save after big key)

On some bosses/minibosses I put #C.  This means how many cycles it should be.  Any more and you should restart the segment.  Also for the first boss, (and 4th miniboss)  go to the side that it leans to first and it should only do 3 leans.

Samoht

2008-02-17 01:00:36 am

nice route, but do you think it might save time if you do the cucco collecting for 70 rupees instead of the chests? i dont really think it does, but its just an idea

ZFG

2008-02-17 01:47:17 am

MrGrunz is a guay

No, the chests only take 15 seconds to get, max. Cucco collecting takes 30+ and traveling time.

Samoht

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Samoht: 2008-05-25 11:14:54 am

2008-02-17 05:35:30 am

Oh ok

Greenalink

2008-02-17 03:50:02 pm

DS Dictator

Quote:

Heres the route I have so far.

seg 13(?)

Use This video as a route exept savewarp after the first key, second key and big key.

I'll finish the route later.

Seems like my runs are useful speed source, I'll try and make the 5th dungeon run followed by Hyrule castle (2 types depending on SDA rules with the Ocarina glitch).

Samoht

2008-02-17 05:53:05 pm

Quote:

Seems like my runs are useful speed source, I'll try and make the 5th dungeon run followed by Hyrule castle (2 types depending on SDA rules with the Ocarina glitch).

youre greenalink from youtube? your runs are awesome!

ZFG

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ZFG: 2008-02-17 07:52:29 pm

2008-02-17 07:40:14 pm

MrGrunz is a guay

Updated route up to Palace of winds

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Seems like my runs are useful speed source, I'll try and make the 5th dungeon run followed by Hyrule castle (2 types depending on SDA rules with the Ocarina glitch).

Yes they are. I hope to se the PoW speedrun soon :D. You don't nee to do a dark hyrule castle one now though because pika did a video route for it (not a speedrun though). And if the ocarina glitch is banned then we should let this topic burn in hell. And besides, the walk through walls glitch is legal in pokemon R/B/Y and I don't see how the ocarina glitch is much different besides maybe a seperate category.

Also, can someone try doing this glitch to get into the house with the dog next to it and douse the flames to get the power braclets early? This might skip the first book, but its probably TAS only if it does.

Greenalink

2008-02-17 11:28:07 pm

DS Dictator

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Updated route up to Palace of winds

Yes they are. I hope to se the PoW speedrun soon :D. You don't nee to do a dark hyrule castle one now though because pika did a video route for it (not a speedrun though). And if the ocarina glitch is banned then we should let this topic burn in hell. And besides, the walk through walls glitch is legal in pokemon R/B/Y and I don't see how the ocarina glitch is much different besides maybe a seperate category.

Also, can someone try doing this glitch to get into the house with the dog next to it and douse the flames to get the power braclets early? This might skip the first book, but its probably TAS only if it does.

True and the Ocarina glitch isn't used throughout of the whole game nor was the Go through Walls glitch in Pokemon Blue they are way different to the Up+Down glitch run used in A Link to the Past

Samoht

2008-02-18 01:58:32 am

hey, i noticed something. vaati has the exact same laugh as the happy mask shop salesman.