Legend of Zelda Speed run

2009-03-19 03:41:37 pm

Hi! I'm andrewg!

Yeah, that's kinda how I came to the conclusion that hoarding secrets is just a dumb idea. It doesn't matter if you're the "best in the world" if your tactics are hidden. It doesn't put people at the same playing field. If you are as good as you claim, you shouldn't have a problem with releasing your tactics to the public. If you get beaten then oh well... you're not the best, but you can reclaim the title. Similarly, my Super Mario World run used a tactic not seen in previous runs (keeping flying ability through doors) and I sent in my run. Others have beaten me now using that technique themselves now. LucidFaia beat my run by 2 seconds and Rodrigo actually beat my run by 1 second, had I kept my tactics hidden, they may not have achieved those times. I mean with smb1, I used a glitch no one knew about and I could have kept it secret as well and claimed "yea, I beat smb in 5:00 and I'm not telling anyone how", but...

1. No one would believe me.
2. What does it matter since it's impossible for anyone to reach that time without that tactic?

I don't want to be considered the world champ if I know I'm just keeping secrets from others and that's why I'm "the best".

Yeah, that's kinda how I came to the conclusion that hoarding secrets is just a dumb idea. It doesn't matter if you're the "best in the world" if your tactics are hidden. It doesn't put people at the same playing field. If you are as good as you claim, you shouldn't have a problem with releasing your tactics to the public. If you get beaten then oh well... you're not the best, but you can reclaim the title. Similarly, my Super Mario World run used a tactic not seen in previous runs (keeping flying ability through doors) and I sent in my run. Others have beaten me now using that technique themselves now. LucidFaia beat my run by 2 seconds and Rodrigo actually beat my run by 1 second, had I kept my tactics hidden, they may not have achieved those times. I mean with smb1, I used a glitch no one knew about and I could have kept it secret as well and claimed "yea, I beat smb in 5:00 and I'm not telling anyone how", but...

1. No one would believe me.
2. What does it matter since it's impossible for anyone to reach that time without that tactic?

I don't want to be considered the world champ if I know I'm just keeping secrets from others and that's why I'm "the best".

Tigger77

2009-03-19 03:54:39 pm

I survived MIKE-Fest 1

Yeah you pointed it out.
But I think it's ok to hold your taktiks a sercet until you finished with the run and let it first see at submission. But if you recodnice that you canot finished the run you shuod tell the others about that trick

Arctic_Eagle

2009-03-19 05:21:51 pm

Quote from ktwo:

...what difference would it make to publish them ? I guess you could draw a parallel to the 5 min run of smb. It will probably stand until the end of time and that doesn't change with the run being published or not. It's just executed perfectly. If on the other hand there was a trick that the runner wants to keep a secret and that explains the difference between these times and published runs, it doesn't sound very likely that this trick would be so ingenious that only one person in the whole world could figure it out ? (unless the claimer happens to be the reincarnation of Pierre de Fermat of course)

To be fair, some people value "smartness" higher than "pure skills" when it comes to gaming. But the quality of "pure skills" in gaming are much better protected than "smartness" with the transparency of published runs.

kareshi

2009-03-19 11:18:27 pm

Dear Rodrigo Lopez:

RJ - Jaws record at TG, no video
Kareshi - New Jaws record at TG and SDA
RJ - Beat my Jaws record for TG, no video
Kareshi - Beat that one, TG and SDA
RJ - Beat that one, TG only, no video
Kareshi - Beat that one, TG and SDA. RJ tries, fails, retires attempts on that game, accuses me of cheating.

That's how I know I'm the best at Jaws.

Tompa

2009-03-20 12:41:39 am

Not the first time Rodrigo has been a jerk really...
http://speeddemosarchive.com/forum/index.php/topic,3957.90.html

I believe we can expect what his comments will be.

"I will understand all this as a joke :D"
"You guys are funny :D"

And things like that.

Spider-Waffle

(user is banned)

2009-03-20 12:49:45 am

Don't think! feeeeeal

How much of a world record is one that the world doesn't get empirical evidence for?

As far as I'm concerned if I can't see it it means nothing.

Hattori HANZo

2009-03-20 05:14:18 am

contraddicted

Please don't feed the troll.

Discussions about the existence of any records are worthless without any evidence. If I'm right, there's still a high bounty on disproving that Jesus is the son of the flying spaghetti monster.
If Rodrigo doesn't submit to SDA it is his decision. Maybe he just doesn't want to reveal his real name, doesn't want to bother recording his attempts or can't afford the equipment.
If he doesn't want to provide further information on how he saved time, it is his decision. There's no obligation to reveal or share any knowledge.

If you do not believe him, it is your decision.

andrewg

2009-03-20 06:30:41 am

Hi! I'm andrewg!

"If Rodrigo doesn't submit to SDA it is his decision. Maybe he just doesn't want to reveal his real name, doesn't want to bother recording his attempts or can't afford the equipment."

He does all these things, just doesn't submit.

I mean, I believe his claims because he's a very good gamer. So why not share these nice records?

AKA

2009-03-20 09:21:29 am

He's back!

Perhaps he values knowledge over skill.

TSA

Edit history:

TSA: 2009-03-20 10:34:55 am

2009-03-20 10:24:45 am

Retired

Quote from Rodrigo:

Well, let me talk about my Legend of Zelda records:

A Link to the Past - (01:36:43) - Fantastic run, my most perfect run of Legend of Zelda, a run wihout mistakes, my most perfect strategy, I believe that this record won't be beaten for anyone in this planet.

3 years ago I would have proved you wrong. Your all-or-nothing gambling technique is gutsy, like your Zelda 1 bomb strategy, but your swordplay in Zelda 1 needs work (from the limited vids you put online awhile ago). Good times all around though, I still wish you would put up videos someday so everyone could see them - maybe when you retire?

ktwo

2009-03-20 11:13:21 am

Sure, one does by no means have to submit to sda or reveal strategies and everything can of course be true. Coming up with new fantastic strategies in not one, but in several games in a very disputed game series and claim that noone else in the whole world would be able to find them sounds a bit suspicious if you ask me though. I have just seen this a few too many times before (not necessarily in game related topics) and I can't avoid getting some alarm bells to ring. I guess I have a too dark perception of humanity to be able to believe.

Thanks for the link to the other thread Tompa. I was particularly entertained by the excuses for not publishing anything. How about the one about the expensive postal fees ? I'm glad there was enough money for the tv, recording eq, consoles, games, computer and internet connection though... It would be interesting to have the same problem : producing world record runs in such a rate that posting them would bring me to the verge of ruin.

I feel unease picking on a specific person, as I don't know rodrigo at all, but from what I've seen here it almost looks as if he's making everything he can to discredit himself. If he's already proved in many other games that he's able to come up with ingenious solutions that noone thought about before, then I apologize sincerely.

Sure, one does by no means have to submit to sda or reveal strategies and everything can of course be true. Coming up with new fantastic strategies in not one, but in several games in a very disputed game series and claim that noone else in the whole world would be able to find them sounds a bit suspicious if you ask me though. I have just seen this a few too many times before (not necessarily in game related topics) and I can't avoid getting some alarm bells to ring. I guess I have a too dark perception of humanity to be able to believe.

Thanks for the link to the other thread Tompa. I was particularly entertained by the excuses for not publishing anything. How about the one about the expensive postal fees ? I'm glad there was enough money for the tv, recording eq, consoles, games, computer and internet connection though...  It would be interesting to have the same problem : producing world record runs in such a rate that posting them would bring me to the verge of ruin.

I feel unease picking on a specific person, as I don't know rodrigo at all, but from what I've seen here it almost looks as if he's making everything he can to discredit himself. If he's already proved in many other games that he's able to come up with ingenious solutions that noone thought about before, then I apologize sincerely.

Breakdown

2009-03-20 05:05:28 pm

Haters gonna hate

Rodrigo, let me lead off by saying I in no way doubt the validity of your times. I'm knowledgeable enough in Zelda 2 to see how all the posted times are possible (I said myself in my comments for my 1:17:15 SS that 1:14:XX is likely possible with great luck and execution), and recognize just how good your quality of play must be to achieve them. Can't firmly attest to the other games, but nothing seems impossible, so good work on your records.

What I fail to understand is that if you have no plans of making full game videos publicly available, why post about it here? I know you've been submitting to TG exclusively to this point, which is your choice for whatever reason and more power to you. A good amount of people on this site check TG as well, so word would get around to those interested here soon enough after they get posted there. But why come to a site that's sole purpose is to host videos of fast times stating you have these great times recorded and ready for submission, but aren't going to submit them here? People come to SDA to see actual videos, and posts like the ones you made a few days ago and previous to that are basically just a slap in the face to the forum readers (and don't get me started on those "last couple minutes of gameplay footage" vids you posted last time around). If you want to submit here, great, I'm sure lots of people would love to see them. If you just want to make brag posts (because that's all you're doing), just stop.

Rodrigo, let me lead off by saying I in no way doubt the validity of your times.  I'm knowledgeable enough in Zelda 2 to see how all the posted times are possible (I said myself in my comments for my 1:17:15 SS that 1:14:XX is likely possible with great luck and execution), and recognize just how good your quality of play must be to achieve them.  Can't firmly attest to the other games, but nothing seems impossible, so good work on your records.

What I fail to understand is that if you have no plans of making full game videos publicly available, why post about it here?  I know you've been submitting to TG exclusively to this point, which is your choice for whatever reason and more power to you.  A good amount of people on this site check TG as well, so word would get around to those interested here soon enough after they get posted there.  But why come to a site that's sole purpose is to host videos of fast times stating you have these great times recorded and ready for submission, but aren't going to submit them here?  People come to SDA to see actual videos, and posts like the ones you made a few days ago and previous to that are basically just a slap in the face to the forum readers (and don't get me started on those "last couple minutes of gameplay footage" vids you posted last time around).  If you want to submit here, great, I'm sure lots of people would love to see them.  If you just want to make brag posts (because that's all you're doing), just stop.

Spider-Waffle

(user is banned)

2009-03-21 01:22:36 am

Don't think! feeeeeal

I agree, it just makes people think less of you as a person, while gaining no respect for your speedrunning.

Rodrigo

2009-03-21 07:11:48 am

Videogame Master

Quote from Tigger77:

Are you going to submitt some of this run's?

No.

Quote from Arctic_Eagle:

Are you expecting a lot of Zelda II gaming this year Rodrigo? Wink

When you say you have no enemy encounters in your 1:01:19 run, does that include no enemy encounters when walking on the path too, you know those one-screen no side-scrolling encounters without enemies? Or do you have some of them?

Nice to talk with you. I just have intentional encounters for win seconds and cut screens, like happens when you are going to the last palace, but, random enconters in the map...no!
Maybe I'll try something in this year, I have other RPGs to play, Drakkhen, Wild Arms 2 or Landstalker.

Quote from Tompa:

Without having watching your ALttP run, I'm pretty sure I can improve it thanks to some tricks I know.

I doubt! A Link to the Past and Four Swords Adventures nobody won't catch!

Quote from Tompa:

But please Rodrigo, you don't need to come here just to brag. Why couldn't you just submit your runs to SDA as well? People, including myself, will appreciate it a lot. And don't just submit the last few minutes of the runs that shows the final boss and the credits, because that's just retarded.

Sincerely, doesn't matter what you think about my "final moments" of the Legend of Zelda records, the videos not shows anything for anybody, there not teach nothing.

Quote from andrewg:

Yeah, that's kinda how I came to the conclusion that hoarding secrets is just a dumb idea. It doesn't matter if you're the "best in the world" if your tactics are hidden. It doesn't put people at the same playing field. If you are as good as you claim, you shouldn't have a problem with releasing your tactics to the public. If you get beaten then oh well... you're not the best, but you can reclaim the title. Similarly, my Super Mario World run used a tactic not seen in previous runs (keeping flying ability through doors) and I sent in my run. Others have beaten me now using that technique themselves now. LucidFaia beat my run by 2 seconds and Rodrigo actually beat my run by 1 second, had I kept my tactics hidden, they may not have achieved those times. I mean with smb1, I used a glitch no one knew about and I could have kept it secret as well and claimed "yea, I beat smb in 5:00 and I'm not telling anyone how", but...

1. No one would believe me.
2. What does it matter since it's impossible for anyone to reach that time without that tactic?

I don't want to be considered the world champ if I know I'm just keeping secrets from others and that's why I'm "the best".

Before You, Scott and Adam to be the WR holder in the Super Mario World, I was the first guys to be the World Record Holder, but my old run was done without any major tricks, my speedrun was done "easy", this happen with my Metroid record, my record was done without skip the bosses, I did a normal run, but I can catch Christopher Knight record if I do using all my tricks in this game.
So, your record wasn't a "mirror" for my record, because the most important tricks I already know, I watched your video and I can say the I have 2 tricks that I didn't seen in your video, and this tricks saves important seconds. My SMW run is not the best, my Star World 1 is terrible and Bowser Castle is not my best, I can improve my record 100%, but is not necessary to play now.

Quote from kareshi:

Dear Rodrigo Lopez:

RJ - Jaws record at TG, no video
Kareshi - New Jaws record at TG and SDA
RJ - Beat my Jaws record for TG, no video
Kareshi - Beat that one, TG and SDA
RJ - Beat that one, TG only, no video
Kareshi - Beat that one, TG and SDA. RJ tries, fails, retires attempts on that game, accuses me of cheating.

That's how I know I'm the best at Jaws.

Dude, sorry, I don't undestand nothing in your post!

Quote from Tompa:

Not the first time Rodrigo has been a jerk really...
http://speeddemosarchive.com/forum/index.php/topic,3957.90.html

I believe we can expect what his comments will be.

"I will understand all this as a joke :D"
"You guys are funny :D"

And things like that.

Yes, it is very, very funny. Your commnets about me is hilarious. It's true.

I call me, STUPID, IDIOT, JERK, Wow, this is hilarious, you let me with a INCREDIBLE MOTIVATION for send my videos for SDA. When you are not "eulogizing" myself, you are imploring that I sent my videos for here.

Who wants to know why I don't send records here? I never was Welcome!

"Sorry Rodrigo, but I hate TG and honestly don't care that much about your record unless you send it here so more than the admins at TG can see it."

Will win a candy, who said this?

Why you hate? Because if TG doesn't exist I need to send here for a score confirmation?

"As I said on my forum, no video, no record."

Michael, Need I your confirmation for my score is valid? Are you the Worldwide Zelda Expert referee?

"You guys are funny :D"

Quote from EvilJogga:

Please don't feed the troll.

Discussions about the existence of any records are worthless without any evidence. If I'm right, there's still a high bounty on disproving that Jesus is the son of the flying spaghetti monster.
If Rodrigo doesn't submit to SDA it is his decision. Maybe he just doesn't want to reveal his real name, doesn't want to bother recording his attempts or can't afford the equipment.
If he doesn't want to provide further information on how he saved time, it is his decision. There's no obligation to reveal or share any knowledge.

If you do not believe him, it is your decision.

Oh...oh my God.....Finally, FINALLY! Shocked

Thank you, a person in my side.

God bless you!

Quote from TSA:

Quote from Rodrigo:

Well, let me talk about my Legend of Zelda records:

A Link to the Past - (01:36:43) - Fantastic run, my most perfect run of Legend of Zelda, a run wihout mistakes, my most perfect strategy, I believe that this record won't be beaten for anyone in this planet.

3 years ago I would have proved you wrong. Your all-or-nothing gambling technique is gutsy, like your Zelda 1 bomb strategy, but your swordplay in Zelda 1 needs work (from the limited vids you put online awhile ago). Good times all around though, I still wish you would put up videos someday so everyone could see them - maybe when you retire?

3 years ago....long time, right? And will you prove one day that I am wrong? Why you don't join with Tompa & friends and try to do something for cut my tongue. If one day you got it, send for TG, if TG confirms is enough to me, because, you probably won't send here, I'll watch your video and your secrets, right? Or not, because "No video, No record", right?

Quote from Breakdown:

Rodrigo, let me lead off by saying I in no way doubt the validity of your times. I'm knowledgeable enough in Zelda 2 to see how all the posted times are possible (I said myself in my comments for my 1:17:15 SS that 1:14:XX is likely possible with great luck and execution), and recognize just how good your quality of play must be to achieve them. Can't firmly attest to the other games, but nothing seems impossible, so good work on your records.

What I fail to understand is that if you have no plans of making full game videos publicly available, why post about it here? I know you've been submitting to TG exclusively to this point, which is your choice for whatever reason and more power to you. A good amount of people on this site check TG as well, so word would get around to those interested here soon enough after they get posted there. But why come to a site that's sole purpose is to host videos of fast times stating you have these great times recorded and ready for submission, but aren't going to submit them here? People come to SDA to see actual videos, and posts like the ones you made a few days ago and previous to that are basically just a slap in the face to the forum readers (and don't get me started on those "last couple minutes of gameplay footage" vids you posted last time around). If you want to submit here, great, I'm sure lots of people would love to see them. If you just want to make brag posts (because that's all you're doing), just stop.

Already was answered why I not send here!

Brag posts? No, It is my opinion, if you not like, please, don't read this topic.

Quote from Spider-Waffle:

I agree, it just makes people think less of you as a person, while gaining no respect for your speedrunning.

"Respect for your speedrunning".......humm, interesting.....

I am not looking for respect, I don't be looking for "Congratulations", "Amazing Record", "WOW", "Well Done Rodrigo"

Since 1999 I sent my records for Twin Galaxies, everything that I conquered was there and my respect I conquered there, but I am looking for respect like a person, not like a gamer, and the respect that I am looking I not found here, because I never was welcome, I don't know why, because I send my record for TG, maybe.

I know my skills, I know what I can do, I am not the best and I am not the worst.

When I began to play with people of other countries, I thought that the limit was what I could do, but no, is not limit for a record, any kind of record can be done, the most fast, the most points, I don't doubt of any kind of record is possible, but HERE, HERE in the Speed Demos Archive I only can to see a slogan "I only believe, seen".

A few months ago, a guy with name BabyMia0101 watched my "final Moments" of the Legend of Mana in my Youtube channel and this is his comments:

"WTH? How can you say you really beat Legend of Mana in little less than two hours?! With the cutscenes that you're forced to watch, that CAN'T be possible. PLUS, you have to run around like an idiot to GET anywhere. ...AND YOU HAVE TO LEVEL, TOO. See why I don't believe you?"

We know that is possible, I did, other guy of SDA did, but he not believe, What I'll say for him?

So, nobody believe that I did a Perfect Pitfall! World record?
Nobody believe that Billy Mitchel did 1,050,200 in Donky Kong.

We watched the "Final moments" of Steve Wiebe doing 1,049,100, do you believe? I believe.

Probably SDA not believe, because the slogan is "I only believe, seen"

Guys, I am not a bad guy, but, I must say what I think.

I hope one day send my records here, but, now...it is impossible!

[quote="Tigger77"]
Are you going to submitt some of this run's?
[/quote]

No.

[quote="Arctic_Eagle"]
Are you expecting a lot of Zelda II gaming this year Rodrigo?  ;)

When you say you have no enemy encounters in your 1:01:19 run, does that include no enemy encounters when walking on the path too, you know those one-screen no side-scrolling encounters without enemies? Or do you have some of them?

[/quote]

Nice to talk with you. I just have intentional encounters for win seconds and cut screens, like happens when you are going to the last palace, but, random enconters in the map...no!
Maybe I'll try something in this year, I have other RPGs to play, Drakkhen, Wild Arms 2 or Landstalker.

[quote="Tompa"]
Without having watching your ALttP run, I'm pretty sure I can improve it thanks to some tricks I know.[/quote]

I doubt! A Link to the Past and Four Swords Adventures nobody won't catch!

[quote="Tompa"]
But please Rodrigo, you don't need to come here just to brag. Why couldn't you just submit your runs to SDA as well? People, including myself, will appreciate it a lot. And don't just submit the last few minutes of the runs that shows the final boss and the credits, because that's just retarded.
[/quote]

Sincerely, doesn't matter what you think about my "final moments" of the Legend of Zelda records, the videos not shows anything for anybody, there not teach nothing.

[quote="andrewg"]
Yeah, that's kinda how I came to the conclusion that hoarding secrets is just a dumb idea. It doesn't matter if you're the "best in the world" if your tactics are hidden. It doesn't put people at the same playing field. If you are as good as you claim, you shouldn't have a problem with releasing your tactics to the public. If you get beaten then oh well... you're not the best, but you can reclaim the title. Similarly, my Super Mario World run used a tactic not seen in previous runs (keeping flying ability through doors) and I sent in my run. Others have beaten me now using that technique themselves now. LucidFaia beat my run by 2 seconds and Rodrigo actually beat my run by 1 second, had I kept my tactics hidden, they may not have achieved those times. I mean with smb1, I used a glitch no one knew about and I could have kept it secret as well and claimed "yea, I beat smb in 5:00 and I'm not telling anyone how", but...

1. No one would believe me.
2. What does it matter since it's impossible for anyone to reach that time without that tactic?

I don't want to be considered the world champ if I know I'm just keeping secrets from others and that's why I'm "the best". 
[/quote]

Before You, Scott and Adam to be the WR holder in the Super Mario World, I was the first guys to be the World Record Holder, but my old run was done without any major tricks, my speedrun was done "easy", this happen with my Metroid record, my record was done without skip the bosses, I did a normal run, but I can catch Christopher Knight record if I do using all my tricks in this game.
So, your record wasn't a "mirror" for my record, because the most important tricks I already know, I watched your video and I can say the I have 2 tricks that I didn't seen in your video, and this tricks saves important seconds. My SMW run is not the best, my Star World 1 is terrible and Bowser Castle is not my best, I can improve my record 100%, but is not necessary to play now.

[quote="kareshi"]
Dear Rodrigo Lopez:

RJ - Jaws record at TG, no video
Kareshi - New Jaws record at TG and SDA
RJ - Beat my Jaws record for TG, no video
Kareshi - Beat that one, TG and SDA
RJ - Beat that one, TG only, no video
Kareshi - Beat that one, TG and SDA. RJ tries, fails, retires attempts on that game, accuses me of cheating.

That's how I know I'm the best at Jaws.
[/quote]

Dude, sorry, I don't undestand nothing in your post!

[quote="Tompa"]
Not the first time Rodrigo has been a jerk really...
http://speeddemosarchive.com/forum/index.php/topic,3957.90.html

I believe we can expect what his comments will be.

"I will understand all this as a joke :D"
"You guys are funny :D"

And things like that.
[/quote]

Yes, it is very, very funny. Your commnets about me is hilarious. It's true.

I call me, STUPID, IDIOT, JERK, Wow, this is hilarious, you let me with a INCREDIBLE MOTIVATION for send my videos for SDA. When you are not "eulogizing" myself, you are imploring that I sent my videos for here.

[u][size=10pt]Who wants to know why I don't send records here? I never was Welcome![/size][/u]

"Sorry Rodrigo, but I hate TG and honestly don't care that much about your record unless you send it here so more than the admins at TG can see it."

Will win a candy, who said this?

Why you hate? Because if TG doesn't exist I need to send here for a score confirmation?

"As I said on my forum, no video, no record."

Michael, Need I your confirmation for my score is valid? Are you the Worldwide Zelda Expert referee?

"You guys are funny  :D"

[quote="EvilJogga"]
Please don't feed the troll.

Discussions about the existence of any records are worthless without any evidence. If I'm right, there's still a high bounty on disproving that Jesus is the son of the flying spaghetti monster.
If Rodrigo doesn't submit to SDA it is his decision. Maybe he just doesn't want to reveal his real name, doesn't want to bother recording his attempts or can't afford the equipment.
If he doesn't want to provide further information on how he saved time, it is his decision. There's no obligation to reveal or share any knowledge.

If you do not believe him, it is your decision.
[/quote]

Oh...oh my God.....Finally, FINALLY!  :o

Thank you, a person in my side.

God bless you!

[quote="TSA"]
[quote="Rodrigo"]
Well, let me talk about my Legend of Zelda records:

A Link to the Past - (01:36:43) - Fantastic run, my most perfect run of Legend of Zelda, a run wihout mistakes, my most perfect strategy, I believe that this record won't be beaten for anyone in this planet.
[/quote]

3 years ago I would have proved you wrong.  Your all-or-nothing gambling technique is gutsy, like your Zelda 1 bomb strategy, but your swordplay in Zelda 1 needs work (from the limited vids you put online awhile ago). Good times all around though, I still wish you would put up videos someday so everyone could see them - maybe when you retire?
[/quote]

3 years ago....long time, right? And will you prove one day that I am wrong? Why you don't join with Tompa & friends and try to do something for cut my tongue. If one day you got it, send for TG, if TG confirms is enough to me, because, you probably won't send here, I'll watch your video and your secrets, right? Or not, because "No video, No record", right?

[quote="Breakdown"]
Rodrigo, let me lead off by saying I in no way doubt the validity of your times.  I'm knowledgeable enough in Zelda 2 to see how all the posted times are possible (I said myself in my comments for my 1:17:15 SS that 1:14:XX is likely possible with great luck and execution), and recognize just how good your quality of play must be to achieve them.  Can't firmly attest to the other games, but nothing seems impossible, so good work on your records.

What I fail to understand is that if you have no plans of making full game videos publicly available, why post about it here?  I know you've been submitting to TG exclusively to this point, which is your choice for whatever reason and more power to you.  A good amount of people on this site check TG as well, so word would get around to those interested here soon enough after they get posted there.  But why come to a site that's sole purpose is to host videos of fast times stating you have these great times recorded and ready for submission, but aren't going to submit them here?  People come to SDA to see actual videos, and posts like the ones you made a few days ago and previous to that are basically just a slap in the face to the forum readers (and don't get me started on those "last couple minutes of gameplay footage" vids you posted last time around).  If you want to submit here, great, I'm sure lots of people would love to see them.  If you just want to make brag posts (because that's all you're doing), just stop.
[/quote]

Already was answered why I not send here!

Brag posts? No, It is my opinion, if you not like, please, don't read this topic.

[quote="Spider-Waffle"]
I agree, it just makes people think less of you as a person, while gaining no respect for your speedrunning.
[/quote]

"Respect for your speedrunning".......humm, interesting.....

I am not looking for respect, I don't be looking for "Congratulations", "Amazing Record", "WOW", "Well Done Rodrigo"

Since 1999 I sent my records for Twin Galaxies, everything that I conquered was there and my respect I conquered there, but I am looking for respect like a person, not like a gamer, and the respect that I am looking I not found here, because I never was welcome, I don't know why, because I send my record for TG, maybe.

I know my skills, I know what I can do, I am not the best and I am not the worst.

When I began to play with people of other countries, I thought that the limit was what I could do, but no, is not limit for a record, any kind of record can be done, the most fast, the most points, I don't doubt of any kind of record is possible, but HERE, HERE in the Speed Demos Archive I only can to see a slogan "I only believe, seen".

A few months ago, a guy with name BabyMia0101 watched my "final Moments" of the Legend of Mana in my Youtube channel and this is his comments:

"WTH? How can you say you really beat Legend of Mana in little less than two hours?! With the cutscenes that you're forced to watch, that CAN'T be possible. PLUS, you have to run around like an idiot to GET anywhere. ...AND YOU HAVE TO LEVEL, TOO. See why I don't believe you?"

We know that is possible, I did, other guy of SDA did, but he not believe, What I'll say for him?

So, nobody believe that I did a Perfect Pitfall! World record?
Nobody believe that Billy Mitchel did 1,050,200 in Donky Kong.

We watched the "Final moments" of Steve Wiebe doing 1,049,100, do you believe? I believe.

Probably SDA not believe, because the slogan is "I only believe, seen"

Guys, I am not a bad guy, but, I must say what I think.

I hope one day send my records here, but, now...it is impossible!

groobo

2009-03-21 08:03:36 am

boss

Quote from Rodrigo:

Well, let me talk about my Legend of Zelda records:

blahblahblah

Quote from Rodrigo:

Brag posts? No

ok

ZFG

2009-03-21 10:06:03 am

MrGrunz is a guay

Rodrigo if you're not sending the runs here because you aren't welcome here, sending the runs will instantly make you welcome because the only reason people hate you is for not sending the runs here. Send them here and you will get everybodys respect.

And besides, speedrunning is more than just having a record, its also about showing it off and entertaining. Theres nothing entertaining about seeing some guys name next to a time, no one cares. Please send the runs in.

Tompa

2009-03-21 11:07:56 am

The reasons why I started to dislike TG had nothing to with you from the beginning. But the fact that TG have very odd rules to the games and no videos to show how it is done. Most people aren't interested in simply seeing a time of how fast the game was beaten, we want to see how it was done and that's what makes the times impressive.

Another thing is that it is impossible for us to verify if a run is actually beaten in the time that it says. Or if TG has written the wrong time. One run that comes in mind is this run. That time is likely impossible to get with TAS tricks and no way to do it in real time without using the warps.
And even if the run is very old, there's no assurance that there are others runs that has the same error.

Also, the fact that people at TG ignores all other runs that there are around the internet, even from official (Yeah, in my eyes official) sites like http://mariokart64.com/ and similar. As they only go by the official mark that TG has from Guinness World Records so they don't need to care about other runs, because if they beat a time on TG, or submits a time of a game that has none, it automatically becomes the "world record", even though there can be runs that are hours faster.

What makes me dislike you, Rodrigo, is the fact that you come here to just tell everyone about your times, which I can't neglect are impressive, and you call people weak because we are helping each other out at SDA to achieve the fastest times. And that you say that you have found all the tricks you use in your runs yourself and have gotten no assistans whatsoever from other videos. Which should be bullshit.
And the fact that you claim them to be absolutely perfect and aren't even improveable by a second... A speedrun is nearly always improveable. And by looking at the last 5 minutes of your ALttP run on YouTube, I see several mistakes in it, and tricks that you aren't using. Where is the perfection you say?

You just need to change you attitude if you want people to like you. I could actually offer myself to pay some of the shipping so you can send your runs to SDA as well, I would gladly do that. As you have said earlier that the shipping cost is too high.
People who will see your runs might (And will...) find improvements to them and then you can do even faster runs. Right? Wink

And sorry for me being so hateful to you, I'm just a bit annoyed by your attitute, as said. But I hope that you could do better :P.

The reasons why I started to dislike TG had nothing to with you from the beginning. But the fact that TG have very odd rules to the games and no videos to show how it is done. Most people aren't interested in simply seeing a time of how fast the game was beaten, we want to see how it was done and that's what makes the times impressive.

Another thing is that it is impossible for us to verify if a run is actually beaten in the time that it says. Or if TG has written the wrong time. One run that comes in mind is [url=http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&pi=32&gi=174&vi=14452]this[/url] run. That time is likely impossible to get with TAS tricks and no way to do it in real time without using the warps.
And even if the run is very old, there's no assurance that there are others runs that has the same error.

Also, the fact that people at TG ignores all other runs that there are around the internet, even from official (Yeah, in my eyes official) sites like http://mariokart64.com/ and similar. As they only go by the official mark that TG has from Guinness World Records so they don't need to care about other runs, because if they beat a time on TG, or submits a time of a game that has none, it automatically becomes the "world record", even though there can be runs that are hours faster.

What makes me dislike you, Rodrigo, is the fact that you come here to just tell everyone about your times, which I can't neglect are impressive, and you call people weak because we are helping each other out at SDA to achieve the fastest times. And that you say that you have found all the tricks you use in your runs yourself and have gotten no assistans whatsoever from other videos. Which should be bullshit. 
And the fact that you claim them to be absolutely perfect and aren't even improveable by a second... A speedrun is nearly always improveable. And by looking at the last 5 minutes of your ALttP run on YouTube, I see several mistakes in it, and tricks that you aren't using. Where is the perfection you say?

You just need to change you attitude if you want people to like you. I could actually offer myself to pay some of the shipping so you can send your runs to SDA as well, I would gladly do that. As you have said earlier that the shipping cost is too high. 
People who will see your runs might (And will...) find improvements to them and then you can do even faster runs. Right? ;)

And sorry for me being so hateful to you, I'm just a bit annoyed by your attitute, as said. But I hope that you could do better :P.

snorlax

2009-03-21 11:32:39 am

zzzzzzzzzz

Until Rodrigo decides to actually submit videos, the only purpose of him posting times here is for people who are actually running the games to have a goal. It's possible that he never achieved those times given that there's no proof, even though I don't think he's ever given a reason not to believe his times, but it's good to assume that those times are real and to strive to beat them. All he did was post the times here and his opinions of the relative quality of each run, so you guys have that carrot to chase after. Insulting him for doing so makes no sense.

Rodrigo, like everyone else, I would very much like to see your runs. It's true that people overreact to your postings here, but you do seemingly undermine the purpose of this site, which is runs supported with videos. They will have the same reaction here for anyone who makes unsupported claims. I'm not sure how exactly you are expecting to feel "welcome" here; this isn't really a social networking site. People come here to talk about video games, more specifically how to go faster in them. Posting a bunch of times does not contribute a lot to the discussion other than sparking speculation and doubt.

I think you will feel much more appreciated if you actually give a little first; respect is a two-way street. Try posting one run, and see what reaction you get. You will mostly get compliments and a little constructive criticism that actually makes good discussion, and people will of course want more from you. I don't think there's anyway to repair your reputation here and get the "welcome" feeling that you want without giving us a little first. If you want to keep your runs and your secrets to yourself, that is your decision, but don't expect much support from most people here until that changes.

Until Rodrigo decides to actually submit videos, the only purpose of him posting times here is for people who are actually running the games to have a goal.  It's possible that he never achieved those times given that there's no proof, even though I don't think he's ever given a reason not to believe his times, but it's good to assume that those times are real and to strive to beat them.  All he did was post the times here and his opinions of the relative quality of each run, so you guys have that carrot to chase after.  Insulting him for doing so makes no sense.

Rodrigo, like everyone else, I would very much like to see your runs.  It's true that people overreact to your postings here, but you do seemingly undermine the purpose of this site, which is runs supported with videos.  They will have the same reaction here for anyone who makes unsupported claims.  I'm not sure how exactly you are expecting to feel "welcome" here; this isn't really a social networking site.  People come here to talk about video games, more specifically how to go faster in them.  Posting a bunch of times does not contribute a lot to the discussion other than sparking speculation and doubt.

I think you will feel much more appreciated if you actually give a little first; respect is a two-way street.  Try posting one run, and see what reaction you get.  You will mostly get compliments and a little constructive criticism that actually makes good discussion, and people will of course want more from you.  I don't think there's anyway to repair your reputation here and get the "welcome" feeling that you want without giving us a little first.  If you want to keep your runs and your secrets to yourself, that is your decision, but don't expect much support from most people here until that changes.

Breakdown

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Breakdown: 2009-03-21 04:16:59 pm

2009-03-21 11:44:30 am

Haters gonna hate

Not sure why I'm bothering, but. . .

If you actually read my post you'd see I didn't once ask why you weren't submitting here, I asked why are you posting here about your times if you have no plans to submit. Here's a helpful guide:

Good Reasons To Post At SDA

1. You're interested in doing a run for a game and want to generate some feedback on your routes and strategies or simply post about your progress.

2. You have some feedback or advice for somebody who's working on a run.

3. You've watched and enjoyed a run and want to congratulate the runner.

Now, lets take a look at the kinds of posts you generally (if not exclusively) make here:

1. I've got new records. I are so great! (You can deny it all you want, that's what they boil down to.)

2. No, I won't be submitting to SDA.

3. Why do you guys hate me, it must be because I'm from TG, well I'll never submit here!

Lather, rinse, and repeat a couple times a year.

Now I won't say there isn't a fair amount of TG hate among forum members here. While I personally don't really get why (I prefer SDA certainly and don't agree with a lot of TG's policies, but they're more than entitled to run their site the way they want to), but I don't think the kind of response you get here is because you submit to TG. Honestly, I believe it to be quite the opposite. You are one of the more (if not most) vocal members of a small group of people who posts here but only submits to TG, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that a lot of the TG haters on this site formed their opinions due in no small part to the way you present yourself here. If you view yourself as an ambassador for TG on these boards, you're a poor one at best. You really can't blame the fact that you submit solely to TG for the responses you get here, it's strictly on you, and the fact that you mention TG in just about every post you make here makes people associate your behavior with TG as a whole. As far as TG hate on this site goes you are part of the cause, not a victim of the effect in my opinion.

If you want a warmer response here, ZFG and snorlax have it right. Talk some strategy, support a run in progress, or even *gasp* submit a run of your own (just because your pride got injured a bit doesn't make it impossible, though really I doubt you ever intended to submit at all). If you're not going to do any of those things, you aren't doing any good here and I'd again recommend that you just stop posting.

Not sure why I'm bothering, but. . .

If you actually read my post you'd see I didn't once ask why you weren't submitting here, I asked why are you posting here about your times if you have no plans to submit.  Here's a helpful guide:

Good Reasons To Post At SDA

1.  You're interested in doing a run for a game and want to generate some feedback on your routes and strategies or simply post about your progress.

2.  You have some feedback or advice for somebody who's working on a run.

3.  You've watched and enjoyed a run and want to congratulate the runner.

Now, lets take a look at the kinds of posts you generally (if not exclusively) make here:

1.  I've got new records.  I are so great!  (You can deny it all you want, that's what they boil down to.)

2.  No, I won't be submitting to SDA.

3.  Why do you guys hate me, it must be because I'm from TG, well I'll never submit here!

Lather, rinse, and repeat a couple times a year.

Now I won't say there isn't a fair amount of TG hate among forum members here.  While I personally don't really get why (I prefer SDA certainly and don't agree with a lot of TG's policies, but they're more than entitled to run their site the way they want to), but I don't think the kind of response you get here is because you submit to TG.  Honestly, I believe it to be quite the opposite.  You are one of the more (if not most) vocal members of a small group of people who posts here but only submits to TG, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that a lot of the TG haters on this site formed their opinions due in no small part to the way [b]you[/b] present yourself here.  If you view yourself as an ambassador for TG on these boards, you're a poor one at best.  You really can't blame the fact that you submit solely to TG for the responses you get here, it's strictly on you, and the fact that you mention TG in just about every post you make here makes people associate your behavior with TG as a whole.  As far as TG hate on this site goes you are part of the cause, not a victim of the effect in my opinion.

If you want a warmer response here, ZFG and snorlax have it right.  Talk some strategy, support a run in progress, or even *gasp* submit a run of your own (just because your pride got injured a bit doesn't make it impossible, though really I doubt you ever intended to submit at all).  If you're not going to do any of those things, you aren't doing any good here and I'd again recommend that you just stop posting.

MrGrunz

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MrGrunz: 2009-03-21 12:48:14 pm

2009-03-21 12:40:37 pm

Merry Chrismas =)

I don't like people, who tell everybody, how good they are, what amazing runs they did, that they could beat everybody here etc.

hey guys, I've just did another MM run and reached a time about 1:30 and improved my old one by one hour, but I won't share it with you. maybe I'll beat every other run on SDA soon, because I'm the best

how does this sound?
dumb, doesn't it?

I don't believe, that you're a good gamer at any game until you prove it Wink

you don't have to submit it to SDA, just show us a video. upload it on youtube, megaupload or something

oh, and finding new tricks is something, that makes you to an great gamer, too, so if you have new tricks, simple share them with us. I don't really understand, why you don't want to share them with us.
I'm always really proud, if I come up with a new trick for MM or OoT Wink

and please don't say, that you're runs were only beating because of new tricks.
in the majority of cases runs with a lot of tricks requier a lot more skill than runs with natural route. just have a look on OoT. TSA's runs aren't on the same level than runs are nowadays.

I don't like people, who tell everybody, how good they are, what amazing runs they did, that they could beat everybody here etc.

hey guys, I've just did another MM run and reached a time about 1:30 and improved my old one by one hour, but I won't share it with you. maybe I'll beat every other run on SDA soon, because I'm the best

how does this sound?
dumb, doesn't it?

I don't believe, that you're a good gamer at any game until you prove it ;)
you don't have to submit it to SDA, just show us a video. upload it on youtube, megaupload or something

oh, and finding new tricks is something, that makes you to an great gamer, too, so if you have new tricks, simple share them with us. I don't really understand, why you don't want to share them with us.
I'm always really proud, if I come up with a new trick for MM or OoT ;)

and please don't say, that you're runs were only beating because of new tricks. 
in the majority of cases runs with a lot of tricks requier a lot more skill than runs with natural route. just have a look on OoT. TSA's runs aren't on the same level than runs are nowadays.

Hattori HANZo

2009-03-21 12:42:29 pm

contraddicted

Quote from Rodrigo:

Quote from EvilJogga:

Please don't feed the troll.

Discussions about the existence of any records are worthless without any evidence. If I'm right, there's still a high bounty on disproving that Jesus is the son of the flying spaghetti monster.
If Rodrigo doesn't submit to SDA it is his decision. Maybe he just doesn't want to reveal his real name, doesn't want to bother recording his attempts or can't afford the equipment.
If he doesn't want to provide further information on how he saved time, it is his decision. There's no obligation to reveal or share any knowledge.

If you do not believe him, it is your decision.

Oh...oh my God.....Finally, FINALLY! Shocked

Thank you, a person in my side.

God bless you!

There might have been a misunderstanding. I neither intended to join any side of this discussion, mainly because I have never consciously seen you here before and have no idea what went on in the past etc.
I just wanted to make people think about what has happened in the topic Tompa linked and what may happen this time.

I can't tell whether you actually have been disliked here from the first second or not, as I wasn't a witness of the events and don't really care for that. The latter is true mainly because I don't see a point in keeping up any aggressive behaviour or accusations of past times. From my experience in RL as much as in forums I can tell you that I have seen the kind of "discussion" going on here quite often. Besides consuming time of people involved and annoying most people, who do not want to read through this kind of stuff, there is nothing it does.

You most likely won't arrive at an agreement about was has led to this controversy and who is responsible for what. So just shake hands or ignore each other.

[quote="Rodrigo"]
[quote="EvilJogga"]
Please don't feed the troll.

Discussions about the existence of any records are worthless without any evidence. If I'm right, there's still a high bounty on disproving that Jesus is the son of the flying spaghetti monster.
If Rodrigo doesn't submit to SDA it is his decision. Maybe he just doesn't want to reveal his real name, doesn't want to bother recording his attempts or can't afford the equipment.
If he doesn't want to provide further information on how he saved time, it is his decision. There's no obligation to reveal or share any knowledge.

If you do not believe him, it is your decision.
[/quote]

Oh...oh my God.....Finally, FINALLY!  :o

Thank you, a person in my side.

God bless you!
[/quote]

There might have been a misunderstanding. I neither intended to join any side of this discussion, mainly because I have never consciously seen you here before and have no idea what went on in the past etc.
I just wanted to make people think about what has happened in the topic Tompa linked and what may happen this time.

I can't tell whether you actually have been disliked here from the first second or not, as I wasn't a witness of the events and don't really care for that. The latter is true mainly because I don't see a point in keeping up any aggressive behaviour or accusations of past times. From my experience in RL as much as in forums I can tell you that I have seen the kind of "discussion" going on here quite often. Besides consuming time of people involved and annoying most people, who do not want to read through this kind of stuff, there is nothing it does.

You most likely won't arrive at an agreement about was has led to this controversy and who is responsible for what. So just shake hands or ignore each other.

connect4

2009-03-21 02:40:02 pm

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I think the issue here is an unfortunate self-cycle. Rodrigo wants to hold the world record without video proof to the world (merely the proof of verification by a (subset of) TG refs. Most of the animosity on this forum is due to the belief that records should be shown. I respect Rodrigo's decision to not show the evidence (as it's his right), even if I disagree with it myself.

That being said, the negative reaction causes Rodrigo not to submit his runs, which leads to more negative reaction, which furthers Rodrigo's resolve, etc. Rodrigo, if you do submit the runs (or even only a couple), I'm sure that you'll gain much more acceptance from the SDA community and be welcomed in. Again, it's your choice, but it's a possible solution to this negative cycle.

groobo

2009-03-21 03:04:52 pm

boss

I don't think it's as much about seeing proof as it's about entertainment, passing time, or whatever reason one came to sda. Posting times and bragging about them is what tg does so that they can jerk off over them later, so spare your breath and stay there. I'd kick you in the balls if I had the chance.

andrewg

2009-03-21 03:07:57 pm

Hi! I'm andrewg!

I just want to say that I'm 100% sure that Rodrigo's claims are true. He is an excellent gamer in many games.

Sorry if I was mistaken with Super Mario World, but I assume you watched my video and (possibly?) picked up tactics from it. It's just that you happened to submit pretty close after my run, so I would have thought you may have watched it and "mirrored" some of it, but if that's not the case then I'm sorry.

I'm still a little confused why you won't submit to SDA. The only reason people are getting upset about this is because you say all your times (which are very nice times) and then tell everyone you won't submit them. So many people won't believe you even though your times are true. But there's always going to be a ton of people who won't believe the times no matter what.

I get angry at TG people who look at records at SDA and don't believe them and I also get mad at people from SDA who look at the records at TG and don't believe them. All the videos on both sites have been verified by knowledgeable people and so I trust 99.99% of scores/times on TG and SDA.

With a video, there is no reason to doubt that the record is real though. Hence "Seeing is believing".

Rodridgo, when you post your times and then don't send a video it seems like you're taunting SDA, but I don't think that's your intention. Many people won't believe you even though your records are real. Your videos are great and people want to watch them.

I just want to say that I'm 100% sure that Rodrigo's claims are true. He is an excellent gamer in many games.

Sorry if I was mistaken with Super Mario World, but I assume you watched my video and (possibly?) picked up tactics from it. It's just that you happened to submit pretty close after my run, so I would have thought you may have watched it and "mirrored" some of it, but if that's not the case then I'm sorry.

I'm still a little confused why you won't submit to SDA. The only reason people are getting upset about this is because you say all your times (which are very nice times) and then tell everyone you won't submit them. So many people won't believe you even though your times are true. But there's always going to be a ton of people who won't believe the times no matter what.

I get angry at TG people who look at records at SDA and don't believe them and I also get mad at people from SDA who look at the records at TG and don't believe them. All the videos on both sites have been verified by knowledgeable people and so I trust 99.99% of scores/times on TG and SDA.

With a video, there is no reason to doubt that the record is real though. Hence "Seeing is believing".

Rodridgo, when you post your times and then don't send a video it seems like you're taunting SDA, but I don't think that's your intention. Many people won't believe you even though your records are real. Your videos are great and people want to watch them.

dex

2009-03-21 03:50:36 pm

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Rodrigo, what's the actual purpose of posting your times here if you aren't going to submit any runs? I don't doubt your claims are true (even though I have no proof), it's just that on SDA video = everything. The reason you get a 'cold reaction' to your times from people is exactly because we value videos the most. It's not just about the name and numbers - in fact, the numbers are of secondary importance. Entertainment counts the most. And as impressive as your times are, they aren't entertaining to people on SDA, because there's no video. Also, your posts seem to spark nothing but flaming and useless name-calling, so please treat this as a warning and think more before posting again, or don't post at all. Your behaviour borders on trolling, and that's a bad thing.