Final Fantasy VIII

2005-08-31 09:40:52 am

King of hearts

... Either I'm doing something wrong or I can't get the link to work for some reason... Anyway the Japanese version must have Omega's lv at what your average party's level is which is what happenes with every enemy or boss in the game. In the American version though (don't know about others), Omega is at a set level of 100 that cannot be altered in any way. I guess they must've realized he's too easy if not at level 100. I can tell without downloading because at max the lion heart limit can do is about 240,000 damage (8 hit renzokuken followed by 15 or 16 hits of 9999 damage). Omega at 100 has about 1,100,000 hp... yeah, a million. He is the only exception in the game that doesn't follow the "enemies will be at your party's average level" rule. Even Ultimacia, the final boss, follows that rule. I'm not sure about Ultima Weapon though...

MMAN

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MMAN: 2005-08-31 09:47:41 am

2005-08-31 09:47:14 am

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Omega at 100 has about 1,100,000 hp... yeah, a million. He is the only exception in the game that doesn't follow the "enemies will be at your party's average level" rule. Even Ultimacia, the final boss, follows that rule. I'm not sure about Ultima Weapon though...

There are also the enemies on the heaven and hell peninsula's (I think), they are unique like that as well.

Mkt2015

2005-08-31 09:55:48 am

MGS for PS1 forever.

All I know is that when I finally got down to Ultima Weapon....being in the groove that I was with meltdown followed by renzokuken...I killed him...2/3 of a turn and then I realized that I hadn't gotten Eden from him so I had to reset and purposely skip a turn the next time just to get her.

darkwasabi

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darkwasabi: 2005-08-31 10:01:21 am

2005-08-31 09:59:06 am

King of hearts

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@darkwasabi on superplay chronicles thers a one turn omega clear vid if you are interested. It uses meltdown, the "armaggedon fist" and lionheart. heres the url http://www.planetdreamcast.com/orochinagi/spc/

Oh oops, when I saw "one turn" I though one move. Yeah, Zell has that potential, but it is extremely hard to get perfect times. My record with the O->X combo (either booya or punch rush) is 0.03 seconds, but it's very rare that I get that. The other one is like 0.07 because the d-pad is connected so if you push down right, left goes up, taking slightly longer. Just wanted to know how it compares to the video's time. Oh yeah, and I forgot Island Closest to Heaven/Hell, always at 100 too.

Rah

2005-08-31 10:01:25 am

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... Either I'm doing something wrong or I can't get the link to work for some reason... Anyway the Japanese version must have Omega's lv at what your average party's level is which is what happenes with every enemy or boss in the game.

You have to have an account at fileplanet and be loged in to download this vid. Oh and the partys lvl in this vid is 100.

KnifeRun

2005-08-31 04:30:35 pm

more keys then pablo escobar

thank you for help...

it'll help...

soon i'll have no net connection... so hopefuly in that time... i'll have an update on my runs... and this game will be one of them...

darkwasabi

2005-09-01 10:27:36 am

King of hearts

Ok, since planning has been done for a while and I still don't know if any site would accept this run, I've decided to post what the run would be (god... this will be long...).

First off I junction Shiva and Quezacotl with card and I Mag Ref. Go and face I and gain 20 ap. Next I go and save at the closest spot near the beach while on the road (last time I got into 4 or 5 battles walking from Ifrit's straight to the beach).

I face 4 Fastitocalon-Fs for 12 ap and get at least 5 fish fins. I needed to save because it's kinda rare for them to drop 2 and I need to save time and not face 3 battles. I learn IMagRef and make 100 waters. Go and do the whole dollet thing, face Elvoret and kill him in two renzokukens with water junct to str. I run from all the XATM battles except the manditory one. I also learn boost with Shiva for the raldo and granaldo battle, I kill granaldo with one renzo and the raldos imediately after with a boosted Shiva (they attack very fast which wastes time).

Next I save before the timber mission and I face one of the trepe fans for quistis' card. Next I face Diablos, no save necessary before this: he's easy, contrary to popular belief. I just hit him with limits while he can't kill me except when he attacks which is rare and I can follow up with a phoenix down.

*sigh* I'm tired of typing (I don't type too fast). I'd rather just answer general questions than type it all out. For that first part anyway, I can't see any time improvements for it, but any suggestions or tips are welcome. I'm just waiting to see if Radix'll answer my PM (would he?). Or should I use another form of communication?

Ok, since planning has been done for a while and I still don't know if any site would accept this run, I've decided to post what the run would be (god... this will be long...).

First off I junction Shiva and Quezacotl with card and I Mag Ref.  Go and face I and gain 20 ap.  Next I go and save at the closest spot near the beach while on the road (last time I got into 4 or 5 battles walking from Ifrit's straight to the beach).

I face 4 Fastitocalon-Fs for 12 ap and get at least 5 fish fins.  I needed to save because it's kinda rare for them to drop 2 and I need to save time and not face 3 battles.  I learn IMagRef and make 100 waters.  Go and do the whole dollet thing, face Elvoret and kill him in two renzokukens with water junct to str.  I run from all the XATM battles except the manditory one.  I also learn boost with Shiva for the raldo and granaldo battle,  I kill granaldo with one renzo and the raldos imediately after with a boosted Shiva (they attack very fast which wastes time).

Next I save before the timber mission and I face one of the trepe fans for quistis' card.  Next I face Diablos, no save necessary before this:  he's easy, contrary to popular belief.  I just hit him with limits while he can't kill me except when he attacks which is rare and I can follow up with a phoenix down.

*sigh* I'm tired of typing (I don't type too fast).  I'd rather just answer general questions than type it all out.  For that first part anyway, I can't see any time improvements for it, but any suggestions or tips are welcome.  I'm just waiting to see if Radix'll answer my PM (would he?).  Or should I use another form of communication?

Radix

2005-09-01 04:22:15 pm

I'm addicted to games

12 hours is a crazy long time ... that's half a day!
I think it's best left up to a dedicated final fantasy site.

DTaeKim

2005-09-01 05:30:43 pm

How much time is spent on dialogue?

darkwasabi

2005-09-01 08:01:47 pm

King of hearts

Yeah, I didn't think this would work out. 12 hours is damn long and most of it is storyline dialogue. I'd estimate about 7 hours of it all is dialogue. Oh well, at least I pwned Omega and could beat him within 12 (haven't done it yet but I know it's possible). I was thinking of doing a FFX-2 speedrun but I found someone already wrote a guide on that. Though I think it can be done faster than 5 hours but damn it.

darkwasabi

2005-09-01 10:21:10 pm

King of hearts

Hey, what if I just make a guide of this on gamefaqs? It would be better than the "speed" guide currently there and would include an Omega battle. Sorry, I know this isn't really the forum to be posting this in and I know I've been kinda annoying with double and triple posts but I don't know who to ask or if they would accept it. I mean it is pretty long after the game's release. I also spent a damn long time looking into this and I feel that I've wasted so much time, it just makes me sad... that nothing good has come of this... Please help.

miluda

2005-09-02 01:45:41 am

darkwasabi, can you tell me what your end of disk times were? I started a run myself a few months ago but abandoned it before Trabia.

Diablos was really easy with Firaga junctioned to Zell. Took 6 hits with the limit break :p

darkwasabi

2005-09-02 03:21:52 am

King of hearts

Er, sorry don't really have them. I had about 12 blocks total to save on and I tried to keep some earlier ones in case I skrewed myself over and have to go back. Since I didn't really know what I needed, I took a lot of time looking at the saves trying to decide which one to write over. This is why I said before I can shave off a lot of time in the real run. The only one that's actually somewhat accurate (but I still had some mistakes, like the raldo/granaldo battle) was my save after the Diablos battle which I think was 1:43. Everything else is just all over the place. Though I think I beat the first disk in 3:50 or 4:00.

tonicsolution

2005-09-03 11:58:44 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

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Diablos was really easy with Firaga junctioned to Zell. Took 6 hits with the limit break :p

why would you have Firagas on a speed run, and why would you wait until you have them? surely it's best to fight Diablos as soon as you leave Balamb Garden...

also i'm not sure if everyone knows, as i haven't seen it mentioned yet.. but if you draw-cast Demi on Diablos he uses a Curaga on the person who did that.. for some reason... :-/

Lag.Com

2005-09-03 01:15:04 pm

sda loyalist

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but if you draw-cast Demi on Diablos he uses a Curaga

I used that extensively when beating him up, it's a good way to make sure you never die. The battle can be rather long if you challenge him right away; if you get enough APs from boss encounters I guess Enc-Half/None is worth it.

miluda

2005-09-03 04:14:22 pm

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why would you have Firagas on a speed run, and why would you wait until you have them? surely it's best to fight Diablos as soon as you leave Balamb Garden...

I did fight Diablos before going to the Train to Timber. I got the Firagas from refining some of the 16 wizard stones you get from the Genaldo fight. Diablos got pasted in a couple of minutes.

McBAIN

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McBAIN: 2005-09-03 07:57:18 pm

2005-09-03 07:56:00 pm

MegaZpeed

Why don't you only record/segment important stuff?
Like boss fights and missions... or where you get important items and stuff.
i don't think a whole lot of people want to see you running around talking to people to further trigger the story. (like the part where you have to find the general in zell's town, with the fish and all bla bla, boring stuff)

And i'm positive 99% of the people don't want to watch a 12 hours run. Then just show your final time in the last movie/segement or something (if that's possible)

This way you can still do the run, and i'd certainly watch it. (i'm only interested in bossfights though)

Zen

2005-09-04 12:13:47 am

Forward standard-by-ten .

I'd watch it with the dialogue cut out.

Also, remember that blind works on Diablo. Makes an early fight with him a LOT less stressful.

darkwasabi

2005-09-04 12:36:49 am

King of hearts

For the Diablos fight, having 80 of the (element here)agas is only slighty stronger than 100 waters, though this could get stronger if you make blizagas and wait 'till you draw at Timber's blizzaga draw point for more. I used waters since I need the wizard stones later for dispells and stops. It's actually quicker to pound him down with limits than drawing and casting demis. Plus you need pretty high mag to actually be able to draw them. I never knew about blinding him 'till not that long ago but I found out that everytime you cast a magic on him, he counters with a demi. This doesn't make him harder but it adds a lot of unnecessary time because blind misses a lot.

I was thinking, what if I just show the last segment and then just explain exactly how I got there and my times at certain points in the game. But I don't know if that'll be OK. What I mean is I could record it all, so someone can see it's legit, and just show the last one. And besides, even if it's almost 12, people could just skip past the dialogue and get to the good stuff. When I watched the castlevania or FF3 runs, I usually skip past the mindless killing to level up and see how the guy gets past some stuff or see what is skipped.

For the Diablos fight, having 80 of the (element here)agas is only slighty stronger than 100 waters, though this could get stronger if you make blizagas and wait 'till you draw at Timber's blizzaga draw point for more.  I used waters since I need the wizard stones later for dispells and stops.  It's actually quicker to pound him down with limits than drawing and casting demis.  Plus you need pretty high mag to actually be able to draw them.  I never knew about blinding him 'till not that long ago but I found out that everytime you cast a magic on him, he counters with a demi.  This doesn't make him harder but it adds a lot of unnecessary time because blind misses a lot.

I was thinking, what if I just show the last segment and then just explain exactly how I got there and my times at certain points in the game.  But I don't know if that'll be OK.  What I mean is I could record it all, so someone can see it's legit, and just show the last one.  And besides, even if it's almost 12, people could just skip past the dialogue and get to the good stuff.  When I watched the castlevania or FF3 runs, I usually skip past the mindless killing to level up and see how the guy gets past some stuff or see what is skipped.

Leon

2005-09-04 12:49:31 am

BOOM!!!!!

For Diablo i always:

DRAW - STOCK - DEMI - MAGIC - DEMI

or

DRAW - CAST - DEMI

the first one is best as it foces Diablo to cast Curaga where as the second one doesn't.

McBAIN

2005-09-04 01:54:33 pm

MegaZpeed

Remember that skipping the boring parts yourself leaves you with still needed to download 12hrs of video, which is a lot (most of the times i don't mind big files, but this one is bound to get super big then)

Also, i'm not interested in your last segment, or your time. (how rude it may sound) I'm actually only interested in cool boss fights. Speedrunning for me is entertainment, not to see what the time was that someone has gotten. (unless it's reeaaaally quick, but time doesn't say too much, it's the execution)

Mr. Guest

2005-09-04 08:34:13 pm

Eh, I don't know if this will help, but...if you're going to use the faq over at GFAQs for this run, then I' suggest a few things:

1. I find that I only need to play cards for the Quistis and Pandemona cards(Triples and Tornadoes = important). Imo, the Laguna, Ward, Rinoa, Zell, and Seifer cards aren't really worth it. With your low levels and high junctions, the castle should be a breeze.(except for Shockwave Pulsar, in which you could use a Hero.)

2. I only junction Zell and Squall. Squall when necessary, and Zell for the rest of the game...only because Zell can get more hits in than Squall, and Zell's Attack stat is larger. I wouldn't waste time trying to get 300 of every spell. This also makes the second Biggs/Wedge boss fight much faster, as you'll only be drawing 100 reflects, rather than 300.

3.Skip Cerberus. You can just get the Speed Scroll in Lunatic Pandora later in the game, and junction your 80 Blizagas/Firagas/Thundagas to Speed.

4.Set the Battle Speed and Text Speed to fast/high.

5. Have Shiva learn Ice-Mag first, that way you can quickly beat Diablos with Zell right after you leave Balamb Garden to go on the Timber Mission.

6. Don't go hunting for Meltdown/Gayla cards. The 5 meltdowns you get from the Gayla Card you get from the starting guy near the elevator is plenty. You only need to use one meltdown against the Ruby Dragon, and the other four against the final boss/bosses.

7. Call me crazy, but its faster to use Quezacotl against that Spider machine thing in Dolet rather than JUST limits and Thunder spells. With the high battle speed, he shouldn't take too long to summon.

BTW, for the Hero I mentioned earlier, I think you automatically come across one in the process of the game, but I'll check just in case...well, I hope this helps. Thanks and good luck.

Eh, I don't know if this will help, but...if you're going to use the faq over at GFAQs for this run, then I' suggest a few things:

1. I find that I only need to play cards for the Quistis and Pandemona cards(Triples and Tornadoes = important). Imo, the Laguna, Ward, Rinoa, Zell, and Seifer cards aren't really worth it. With your low levels and high junctions, the castle should be a breeze.(except for Shockwave Pulsar, in which you could use a Hero.)

2. I only junction Zell and Squall. Squall when necessary, and Zell for the rest of the game...only because Zell can get more hits in than Squall, and Zell's Attack stat is larger. I wouldn't waste time trying to get 300 of every spell. This also makes the second Biggs/Wedge boss fight much faster, as you'll only be drawing 100 reflects, rather than 300.

3.Skip Cerberus. You can just get the Speed Scroll in Lunatic Pandora later in the game, and junction your 80 Blizagas/Firagas/Thundagas to Speed.

4.Set the Battle Speed and Text Speed to fast/high.

5. Have Shiva learn Ice-Mag first, that way you can quickly beat Diablos with Zell right after you leave Balamb Garden to go on the Timber Mission.

6. Don't go hunting for Meltdown/Gayla cards. The 5 meltdowns you get from the Gayla Card you get from the starting guy near the elevator is plenty. You only need to use one meltdown against the Ruby Dragon, and the other four against the final boss/bosses.

7. Call me crazy, but its faster to use Quezacotl against that Spider machine thing in Dolet rather than JUST limits and Thunder spells. With the high battle speed, he shouldn't take too long to summon.

BTW, for the Hero I mentioned earlier, I think you automatically come across one in the process of the game, but I'll check just in case...well, I hope this helps. Thanks and good luck.

Mr. Guest

2005-09-04 08:37:50 pm

Oh, and for Diablos, I just Blind him, then use limits with Zell. Much faster. Yes, your Magic stat sucks at that point in the game, with a couple of tries, he goes blind. Draw the Blind spells from Granaldo(or whatever the hell its called). I find 6 or seven to be plenty...

darkwasabi

2005-09-04 11:28:34 pm

King of hearts

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Eh, I don't know if this will help, but...if you're going to use the faq over at GFAQs for this run, then I' suggest a few things:

1. I find that I only need to play cards for the Quistis and Pandemona cards(Triples and Tornadoes = important). Imo, the Laguna, Ward, Rinoa, Zell, and Seifer cards aren't really worth it. With your low levels and high junctions, the castle should be a breeze.(except for Shockwave Pulsar, in which you could use a Hero.)

2. I only junction Zell and Squall. Squall when necessary, and Zell for the rest of the game...only because Zell can get more hits in than Squall, and Zell's Attack stat is larger. I wouldn't waste time trying to get 300 of every spell. This also makes the second Biggs/Wedge boss fight much faster, as you'll only be drawing 100 reflects, rather than 300.

3.Skip Cerberus. You can just get the Speed Scroll in Lunatic Pandora later in the game, and junction your 80 Blizagas/Firagas/Thundagas to Speed.

4.Set the Battle Speed and Text Speed to fast/high.

5. Have Shiva learn Ice-Mag first, that way you can quickly beat Diablos with Zell right after you leave Balamb Garden to go on the Timber Mission.

6. Don't go hunting for Meltdown/Gayla cards. The 5 meltdowns you get from the Gayla Card you get from the starting guy near the elevator is plenty. You only need to use one meltdown against the Ruby Dragon, and the other four against the final boss/bosses.

7. Call me crazy, but its faster to use Quezacotl against that Spider machine thing in Dolet rather than JUST limits and Thunder spells. With the high battle speed, he shouldn't take too long to summon.

BTW, for the Hero I mentioned earlier, I think you automatically come across one in the process of the game, but I'll check just in case...well, I hope this helps. Thanks and good luck.

The FAQ on gamefaqs was clearly untested since you can skip so many things it said. I barely did anything that FAQ said except obvious ones like Quistis card and tents to curagas

1. Yes Quistis is important but not pandemona. It's good but not necessary. I would just take more time to get it.

2. Squall is better only in this case because he's much faster. Zell kicks ass but he's just too slow. Also, reflects are unnecessary because getting dispells is much quicker and almost as effective.

3. Stops junction 34 better in spd and are just as easy to get.

6. I was thinking of doing that but I found out that those meltdowns were enough. One for ruby and one for Omega.

7. Limits are faster. At that point I won't have any summag+XX so his attack did about 450 unboosted, I won't have boost either. One renzokuken with water junctioned to str did about 220-250 dmg per hit, 4 hits each, and is executed in less than 9 seconds. Quezacotl takes about 23 seconds just for his animation.

And I hate heros, you get 1 each from the 3rd and 4th battle with Seifer but sometimes he doesn't drop one. I don't like 'em and won't need 'em even with the extremely limited amount I will have. I sell them ;).

Don't take this the wrong way though. Almost all these suggestions went through my head during planning, but I found quicker meathods. So far all strategies are rock solid so I don't think any suggestions will help at this point. Thanks anyway Mr. Guest.

And about the last segment thing. I said that because it would be the Omega battle which IMHO would be the most interesting segment.

Since I don't think I can get this site to accept this (understandably so), anyone know of any other sites like this that would? I just don't want a whole weeks worth of playing and planning to go to waste.

[quote]Eh, I don't know if this will help, but...if you're going to use the faq over at GFAQs for this run, then I' suggest a few things:

1. I find that I only need to play cards for the Quistis and Pandemona cards(Triples and Tornadoes = important). Imo, the Laguna, Ward, Rinoa, Zell, and Seifer cards aren't really worth it. With your low levels and high junctions, the castle should be a breeze.(except for Shockwave Pulsar, in which you could use a Hero.)

2. I only junction Zell and Squall. Squall when necessary, and Zell for the rest of the game...only because Zell can get more hits in than Squall, and Zell's Attack stat is larger. I wouldn't waste time trying to get 300 of every spell. This also makes the second Biggs/Wedge boss fight much faster, as you'll only be drawing 100 reflects, rather than 300.

3.Skip Cerberus. You can just get the Speed Scroll in Lunatic Pandora later in the game, and junction your 80 Blizagas/Firagas/Thundagas to Speed.

4.Set the Battle Speed and Text Speed to fast/high.

5. Have Shiva learn Ice-Mag first, that way you can quickly beat Diablos with Zell right after you leave Balamb Garden to go on the Timber Mission.

6. Don't go hunting for Meltdown/Gayla cards. The 5 meltdowns you get from the Gayla Card you get from the starting guy near the elevator is plenty. You only need to use one meltdown against the Ruby Dragon, and the other four against the final boss/bosses.

7. Call me crazy, but its faster to use Quezacotl against that Spider machine thing in Dolet rather than JUST limits and Thunder spells. With the high battle speed, he shouldn't take too long to summon.

BTW, for the Hero I mentioned earlier, I think you automatically come across one in the process of the game, but I'll check just in case...well, I hope this helps. Thanks and good luck.[/quote]

The FAQ on gamefaqs was clearly untested since you can skip so many things it said.  I barely did anything that FAQ said except obvious ones like Quistis card and tents to curagas

1.  Yes Quistis is important but not pandemona.  It's good but not necessary.  I would just take more time to get it.

2.  Squall is better only in this case because he's much faster.  Zell kicks ass but he's just too slow.  Also, reflects are unnecessary because getting dispells is much quicker and almost as effective.

3.  Stops junction 34 better in spd and are just as easy to get.

6.  I was thinking of doing that but I found out that those meltdowns were enough.  One for ruby and one for Omega.

7.  Limits are faster.  At that point I won't have any summag+XX so his attack did about 450 unboosted, I won't have boost either.  One renzokuken with water junctioned to str did about 220-250 dmg per hit, 4 hits each, and is executed in less than 9 seconds.  Quezacotl takes about 23 seconds just for his animation.

And I hate heros, you get 1 each from the 3rd and 4th battle with Seifer but sometimes he doesn't drop one.  I don't like 'em and won't need 'em even with the extremely limited amount I will have.  I sell them  ;).

Don't take this the wrong way though.  Almost all these suggestions went through my head during planning, but I found quicker meathods.  So far all strategies are rock solid so I don't think any suggestions will help at this point.  Thanks anyway Mr. Guest.

And about the last segment thing.  I said that because it would be the Omega battle which IMHO would be the most interesting segment.

Since I don't think I can get this site to accept this (understandably so), anyone know of any other sites like this that would?  I just don't want a whole weeks worth of playing and planning to go to waste.

Lag.Com

2005-09-05 11:44:49 am

sda loyalist

I'm quite interested in this 'run', especially the spell economy, something you never really come across when playing the game normally. I'll host it when it comes up. Don't count on good download speeds though. Smiley