AGDQ 2016 Game Submissions Information (Submissions are now closed)

PixelKaye

2015-10-13 12:04:39 pm

Very Thanks..!!

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Rest in Peace, Legend of Mana. We'll never see you at a GDQ event.

It's been rejected for like 4/5 years straight now, it's never going to happen

Hopefully Matty will be able to give a good reason why, so then there will be closure. That's all I'm asking for. That way we know in the future.

rowrow_

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rowrow_: 2015-10-13 12:22:49 pm

rowrow_: 2015-10-13 12:21:22 pm

2015-10-13 12:20:08 pm

no more umbreons pls

Given that Matty has it in writing that he's responding to rejection responses ( Tongue

), I'd like to ask, though I can justify GDQ rejecting a game like Spore as it features no sequence breaks (though many games have gotten into a GDQ without sequence breaks, namely Super Mario Bros. The Lost Levels);

Why reject Pokemon Stadium 2 Challenge Cup?

I can tell right at the start whether a team is runnable (for example, if I get a team that consists of Umbreon, Steelix/Golem/Rhydon, Crobat as part of the team), and simply reset to generate a new team on a completely normal playthrough of Challenge Cup, with only a minute lost for resetting right off the bat.

Terrible RNG can hurt a run, but the mechanics of Challenge Cup feature "continues" for perfect battles won, which are easy to obtain within the first 3 fights alone.

Additionally, I can justify rejecting Blindfolded because in general it's not marathon safe, however it's certainly as safe as something like Punch Out Blindfolded, Pokemon Blue Blindfolded. However, I may be wrong but I have a strong feeling that Pokemon Stadium 2 Blindfolded is a really eye-catching category that would reasonably boost viewership. I don't think there's been a single "bust" any given year where a blindfolded category premiered at GDQ and the viewership didn't skyrocket.

I don't mind being rejected for AGDQ, especially since this frees up my budget for 2016, but I'd like to know if there are extenuating circumstances behind these rejections so I can prune these submissions for SGDQ 2016.

Given that Matty has it in writing that he's responding to rejection responses ( :P ), I'd like to ask, though I can justify GDQ rejecting a game like Spore as it features no sequence breaks (though many games have gotten into a GDQ without sequence breaks, namely Super Mario Bros. The Lost Levels);

[size="16"][b]Why reject Pokemon Stadium 2 Challenge Cup?[/b][/size]

I can tell right at the start whether a team is runnable (for example, if I get a team that consists of Umbreon, Steelix/Golem/Rhydon, Crobat as part of the team), and simply reset to generate a new team on a completely normal playthrough of Challenge Cup, with only a minute lost for resetting right off the bat.

Terrible RNG can hurt a run, but the mechanics of Challenge Cup feature "continues" for perfect battles won, which are easy to obtain within the first 3 fights alone.

Additionally, I can justify rejecting Blindfolded because in general it's [i]not[/i] marathon safe, however it's certainly as safe as something like Punch Out Blindfolded, Pokemon Blue Blindfolded. However, I may be wrong but I have a strong feeling that Pokemon Stadium 2 Blindfolded is a really eye-catching category that would reasonably boost viewership. I don't think there's been a single "bust" any given year where a blindfolded category premiered at GDQ and the viewership didn't skyrocket.

I don't mind being rejected for AGDQ, especially since this frees up my budget for 2016, but I'd like to know if there are extenuating circumstances behind these rejections so I can prune these submissions for SGDQ 2016.

Mystery

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Mystery: 2015-10-13 01:00:16 pm

Mystery: 2015-10-13 12:59:33 pm

2015-10-13 12:59:22 pm

People, keep in mind that there are a TON of good games that are submitted all the time and there's just no place in the schedule for all good runs, so yes, even if your run is very entertaining and cool and all that, sacrifices has to be made. Your game just might draw the short straw.

Also, no matter how you try to pick up cut runs, it's going to be unfair to someone. Even if you just list the games, there's only 4 hours in there and there are many, many runs. Which are you going to fit? What if many runs have roughly equal votes? There's just no good way of doing it. It's likely you'll just end with a lot of salty people anyway.

doicm

2015-10-13 01:14:44 pm

Quote from Mystery:

People, keep in mind that there are a TON of good games that are submitted all the time and there's just no place in the schedule for all good runs, so yes, even if your run is very entertaining and cool and all that, sacrifices has to be made. Your game just might draw the short straw.

Also, no matter how you try to pick up cut runs, it's going to be unfair to someone. Even if you just list the games, there's only 4 hours in there and there are many, many runs. Which are you going to fit? What if many runs have roughly equal votes? There's just no good way of doing it. It's likely you'll just end with a lot of salty people anyway.

Along with this, if they are doing 7 full days of runs (assumption), that's only 168 hours to fit on (including setup time, etc.). That is IF they are doing 7 full days. Considering there's only 245 (that I can see atm) hours progressing with not even everyone having submitted so far, and there will be extra hours added to that, there's going to be extra cuts on top of that.

It's perfectly reasonable to ask why your run got rejected. I just wanted to add that there's a good proportion of hours being cut on top of all of the other hours in the long run. In my opinion though, I feel it's rude to bash on another's run when yours or another's run doesn't make it into the first or the final cut, whether in this forum or another forum (i.e. Twitter, reddit). I feel some respect should be given to the selection committee as well as the people who have made it past the first round. Also, my condolences to those weren't able to make it past first cuts, as it is a tough selection process, I can imagine. I don't know everything that goes on, but I can't imagine it's easy to reject games and face the criticism that's likely to be received. In any case, it comes with any sort of entertainment bid that you give, whether it be theater tryouts or "eSports", however you want to call this.

[quote="Mystery"]People, keep in mind that there are a TON of good games that are submitted all the time and there's just no place in the schedule for all good runs, so yes, even if your run is very entertaining and cool and all that, sacrifices has to be made. Your game just might draw the short straw.

Also, no matter how you try to pick up cut runs, it's going to be unfair to someone. Even if you just list the games, there's only 4 hours in there and there are many, many runs. Which are you going to fit? What if many runs have roughly equal votes? There's just no good way of doing it. It's likely you'll just end with a lot of salty people anyway.[/quote]
Along with this, if they are doing 7 full days of runs (assumption), that's only 168 hours to fit on (including setup time, etc.). That is IF they are doing 7 full days. Considering there's only 245 (that I can see atm) hours progressing with not even everyone having submitted so far, and there will be extra hours added to that, there's going to be extra cuts on top of that.

It's perfectly reasonable to ask why your run got rejected. I just wanted to add that there's a good proportion of hours being cut on top of all of the other hours in the long run. In my opinion though, I feel it's rude to bash on another's run when yours or another's run doesn't make it into the first or the final cut, whether in this forum or another forum (i.e. Twitter, reddit). I feel some respect should be given to the selection committee as well as the people who have made it past the first round. Also, my condolences to those weren't able to make it past first cuts, as it is a tough selection process, I can imagine. I don't know everything that goes on, but I can't imagine it's easy to reject games and face the criticism that's likely to be received. In any case, it comes with any sort of entertainment bid that you give, whether it be theater tryouts or "eSports", however you want to call this.

sumichu

2015-10-13 01:56:18 pm

ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

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As a gentle reminder, I'd like to remind everyone that the AGDQ 2016 game committee does not take individual (or group) requests for a game to be run, as stated in the...

The game committee still has full control, this is a private poll to runners only and the results are private to the committee. The committee only seems to get an idea of what thousands of people want after the decision is made on a game.

Also, even if it is a preexisting rule, isn't that the point of suggesting change? To improve? Everything about the Community Block is a good decision/idea. I'd like to hear specific reasons against it, convincing the supporters on how said reasons would make it a definate "no".

My post wasn't in response to your suggestion, but rather, just a reminder since this is the AGDQ 2016 Game Submissions thread. We've been getting requests to have x, y, and z game added into the schedule lately.

BubblesDelFuego

2015-10-13 02:32:57 pm

That's "Mr." Speedrunner, to you

Quote from sumichu:

Quote from BubblesDelFuego:

Quote from sumichu:

As a gentle reminder, I'd like to remind everyone that the AGDQ 2016 game committee does not take individual (or group) requests for a game to be run, as stated in the...

The game committee still has full control, this is a private poll to runners only and the results are private to the committee. The committee only seems to get an idea of what thousands of people want after the decision is made on a game.

Also, even if it is a preexisting rule, isn't that the point of suggesting change? To improve? Everything about the Community Block is a good decision/idea. I'd like to hear specific reasons against it, convincing the supporters on how said reasons would make it a definate "no".

My post wasn't in response to your suggestion, but rather, just a reminder since this is the AGDQ 2016 Game Submissions thread. We've been getting requests to have x, y, and z game added into the schedule lately.

Ohhhhh.
Sorry Sumichu ├┬┴┬┴┬┴┬┴┤ᴗ•)~

[quote="sumichu"][quote="BubblesDelFuego"][quote="sumichu"]As a gentle reminder, I'd like to remind everyone that the AGDQ 2016 game committee does not take individual (or group) requests for a game to be run, as stated in the... [/quote]

The game committee still has full control, this is a private poll to runners only and the results are private to the committee. The committee only seems to get an idea of what thousands of people want [i]after[/i] the decision is made on a game.

Also, even if it is a preexisting rule, isn't that the point of suggesting change? To improve? Everything about the Community Block is a good decision/idea. I'd like to hear specific reasons against it, [b]convincing the supporters[/b] on how said reasons would make it a definate "no".[/quote]

My post wasn't in response to your suggestion, but rather, just a reminder since this is the AGDQ 2016 Game Submissions thread.  We've been getting requests to have x, y, and z game added into the schedule lately.[/quote]

Ohhhhh.
Sorry Sumichu ├┬┴┬┴┬┴┬┴┤ᴗ•)~

Lioran

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Lioran: 2015-10-13 02:57:36 pm

2015-10-13 02:55:23 pm

Super metroid gets a joke category submission in progress that doesn't even have 1 week of practice over 2 years involvement romhack. good job who ever made that choice. Super metroid 3 main category are getting super stale, races are just not up to standard. I don't think 2p1c is what Super metroid needs.
Only thing that could save it at this point is a RBO submission else SM should skip an event.

rowrow_

2015-10-13 03:22:29 pm

no more umbreons pls

Quote from doicm:

Quote from Mystery:

so yes, even if your run is very entertaining and cool and all that, sacrifices has to be made. Your game just might draw the short straw

It's perfectly reasonable to ask why your run got rejected. I just wanted to add that there's a good proportion of hours being cut on top of all of the other hours in the long run.

This isn't the case in the first round of cuts. I guarantee you any or even all runs are being rejected for reasons that aren't simply "We need to fill the time bank/make cuts." That's what the second round of cuts would be for (second round of cuts may include factors that aren't just "We need to fill the time bank/make cuts." mind you, but the first rejections are pretty much for reasons that AREN'T about time constraints, excluding 7 hour runs being submitted)

Also, I am asking because Cool Matty did mention responding to rejections, and I'd like to know what exactly led to my getting cut before a second round cut so I know what to change when I submit for future GDQ.

Quote from Cool Matty:

I'll be catching up on reject responses later this afternoon.

[quote="doicm"][quote="Mystery"]so yes, even if your run is very entertaining and cool and all that, sacrifices has to be made. Your game just might draw the short straw[/quote]
It's perfectly reasonable to ask why your run got rejected. I just wanted to add that there's a good proportion of hours being cut on top of all of the other hours in the long run.[/quote]
This isn't the case in the first round of cuts. I guarantee you any or even all runs are being rejected for reasons that aren't simply "We need to fill the time bank/make cuts." That's what the second round of cuts would be for (second round of cuts may include factors that aren't just "We need to fill the time bank/make cuts." mind you, but the first rejections are pretty much for reasons that AREN'T about time constraints, [i]excluding 7 hour runs being submitted[/i])

Also, I am asking because Cool Matty did mention responding to rejections, and I'd like to know what exactly led to my getting cut before a second round cut so I know what to change when I submit for future GDQ.

[quote="Cool Matty"]I'll be catching up on reject responses later this afternoon.[/quote]

keymakr

2015-10-13 05:34:35 pm

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Just a quick question, you say on the submission info that the attached video to a submission should be a full, complete run of the game by the runner. Is it acceptable to provide highlights of glitches/tricks executed during the run? Or do you guys really only want a full game run and anything else would cause the submission to be rejected?

Thanks.

Hey, any chance someone involved with game selection can just give me a quick response to this? I realize you guys are super busy and I don't mean to be a pain. Was hoping to finalize my submission video tonight. I'm inclined to believe what kirbymastah said before, but just want to confirm.

Thanks.

Cool Matty

2015-10-13 05:36:35 pm

Crawlathon WR, get down on my level.

Quote from keymakr:

Just a quick question, you say on the submission info that the attached video to a submission should be a full, complete run of the game by the runner. Is it acceptable to provide highlights of glitches/tricks executed during the run? Or do you guys really only want a full game run and anything else would cause the submission to be rejected?

Thanks.

Hey, any chance someone involved with game selection can just give me a quick response to this? I realize you guys are super busy and I don't mean to be a pain. Was hoping to finalize my submission video tonight. I'm inclined to believe what kirbymastah said before, but just want to confirm.

Thanks.

Nothing sells a run more than a full run video. IMO, a highlights video seems more designed to disguise the flaws than it is to highlight the run.

keymakr

2015-10-13 05:41:42 pm

Quote from Cool Matty:

Nothing sells a run more than a full run video. IMO, a highlights video seems more designed to disguise the flaws than it is to highlight the run.

Ok, thats what I thought. Thanks for the super fast response and thanks for all the work you put in Cheesy

I'll just go ahead and put together a quick run to submit. Thanks again ^^

Alventenie

2015-10-13 05:44:22 pm

I would say don't rush just to get a quick video. You still have a few days until submissions close so do a run that is a good representation of your game =).

Cool Matty

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Cool Matty: 2015-10-13 06:15:53 pm

2015-10-13 06:15:12 pm

Crawlathon WR, get down on my level.

Legend of Mana:

Committee acknowledges it's a great game, but not necessarily an impressive speedgame. Basically, it's too easy, and focuses on just boss stun-locking.

Pokemon Stadium 2

Not as well-received as the main game series.

PixelKaye

2015-10-13 06:29:34 pm

Very Thanks..!!

I guess I should have mentioned the changes to the route where we don't stunlock anymore. Womp. Ah well. Thanks Matty!

rowrow_

2015-10-13 07:31:41 pm

no more umbreons pls

That's a shame, Blindfolded is fun to run. I guess I'll just skip out on submitting it entirely

ShiningDragoon

2015-10-13 07:46:46 pm

Haha knew that overdrive wouldn't make it in Tongue

And Rygar was just done, maybe The blaster master race will emerge victorious. We need to work on Overdrive more tbh, make an any% run for it etc. i'm pretty sure sub 1hr 20 is viable (still really long for an event like this), but not sure what any% will look like tbh... course no one has really even seen Blaster Master Overdrive.

Cyberdemon531

2015-10-13 08:24:53 pm

Would appreciate further reasoning on why Doom 2 UV Max was rejected. Thanks!

urboykyle

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urboykyle: 2015-10-13 08:32:59 pm

2015-10-13 08:31:46 pm

Hey, Yashichi submitted Left4Dead 2 coop with him, myself, Taylortotftw, DailySRL, and Rawrica and it got accepted after being processed, but then when we checked today it says that it was rejected. Was there any specific reason for this? Yashichi would ask this himself but he is banned for some reason.

Cool Matty

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Cool Matty: 2015-10-13 08:51:48 pm

MURPHAGATOR!: 2015-10-13 08:49:15 pm

2015-10-13 08:43:24 pm

Crawlathon WR, get down on my level.

Quote from urboykyle:

Hey, Yashichi submitted Left4Dead 2 coop with him, myself, Taylortotftw, DailySRL, and Rawrica and it got accepted after being processed, but then when we checked today it says that it was rejected. Was there any specific reason for this? Yashichi would ask this himself but he is banned for some reason.

You may submit the game yourselves without Yashichi, he is banned from the event.

daily

2015-10-13 09:13:50 pm

Super sad how unprofessionally Yashichi's ban was handled, regardless of his actions before. Instead of letting him know when before he submitted the run, you let everybody know before he even had time to figure it out. You not only got our hopes up by letting our run progress and then overnight rejecting it, not letting us know why, you also punished him way after the offense happened, and there was even communication between the two when it happened.

https://twitter.com/GDQMonitor/status/627662703197196289

I don't think you care at all, but I won't be attending any GDQ event when the administration is this poor and situations like this are this poorly handled. I have to say that Games Done Quick honestly has some of the worst PR I've ever seen in a company as professional as you all seem to project yourselves to be. Our group has decided to not resubmit Left 4 Dead 2 out of respect for Yashi, but good luck to all other submitters, and GDQ in general.

Tterraj42

2015-10-13 09:23:43 pm

Games!

Quote from Cool Matty:

Quote from keymakr:

Just a quick question, you say on the submission info that the attached video to a submission should be a full, complete run of the game by the runner. Is it acceptable to provide highlights of glitches/tricks executed during the run? Or do you guys really only want a full game run and anything else would cause the submission to be rejected?

Thanks.

Hey, any chance someone involved with game selection can just give me a quick response to this? I realize you guys are super busy and I don't mean to be a pain. Was hoping to finalize my submission video tonight. I'm inclined to believe what kirbymastah said before, but just want to confirm.

Thanks.

Nothing sells a run more than a full run video. IMO, a highlights video seems more designed to disguise the flaws than it is to highlight the run.

I'd agree if it weren't mathematically impossible for the committee to watch all (or even most) of every run. I think a highlight / summary video saves them work and keeps them from skimming over all the good parts. Though full runs should still be linked off of the summary video.

[quote="Cool Matty"][quote="keymakr"][quote="keymakr"]Just a quick question, you say on the submission info that the attached video to a submission should be a full, complete run of the game by the runner. Is it acceptable to provide highlights of glitches/tricks executed during the run? Or do you guys really only want a full game run and anything else would cause the submission to be rejected?

Thanks.[/quote]

Hey, any chance someone involved with game selection can just give me a quick response to this? I realize you guys are super busy and I don't mean to be a pain. Was hoping to finalize my submission video tonight. I'm inclined to believe what kirbymastah said before, but just want to confirm.

Thanks.[/quote]

Nothing sells a run more than a full run video. IMO, a highlights video seems more designed to disguise the flaws than it is to highlight the run.[/quote]

I'd agree if it weren't mathematically impossible for the committee to watch all (or even most) of every run. I think a highlight / summary video saves them work and keeps them from skimming over all the good parts. Though full runs should still be linked off of the summary video.

DrTChops

2015-10-13 09:26:29 pm

Hey there, I'd like to know why Dredd vs. Death was rejected, thanks!

keymakr

2015-10-13 09:48:39 pm

Quote from Tterraj42:

I'd agree if it weren't mathematically impossible for the committee to watch all (or even most) of every run. I think a highlight / summary video saves them work and keeps them from skimming over all the good parts. Though full runs should still be linked off of the summary video.

Yeah, that was my original thought as well, but you can always just put timestamps in the video description (if your hosting on youtube anyway) to interesting parts of the run.

Anyways I happened to pb tonight while i was doing a commentary run, so i guess that worked out fine haha. I'll see if i can get my submission in tomorrow.

TonyOgbot

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TonyOgbot: 2015-10-13 10:59:19 pm

2015-10-13 10:54:41 pm

Since there are quite a few Shantae speedrunners submitting for the Pirate's Curse race, I would like to mention that if there is any qualms having a multi PC race of the game, the game plays the exact same on the Wii U and in turn if it helps setup, it can be done on the console version instead.

Also, Nosraef has said that he would be comfortable couching for the race if TheSoundDefense were to submit for the race as well.

Thank you for your consideration. God bless.

EDIT: Also, since it looks like rejection reasons are being supplied, may I please get reasons as to why a PRIME Playstation Nation representative such as Jumping Flash! and Mighty Switch Force! HyperDrive Edition have been rejected? Once again, thank you for your consideration.

PixelKaye

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PixelKaye: 2015-10-13 11:16:24 pm

2015-10-13 11:15:47 pm

Very Thanks..!!

If you get a HUGE new PB in your run after it made the first round cuts (or in my case, the same exact time it made the cuts), is it possible to update the estimated time and video after the cuts are over? I may have just taken 2 huge minutes off my 8 month old Blaster Master PB...

(I only ask because I didn't see the question answered previously)