Vampire: Bloodlines (Tremere Run on SDA)

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TheVoid: 2007-11-18 10:13:47 pm

2007-11-18 09:05:57 pm

Yes the whole temple part will be quite tricky with the low stats and all. Getting into the temple, luck manipulation FTW Wink

With a Katana you should be able to "floor" some of those guys in the doorway where I was stuck for a while in the uploaded video (And that's actually the only problem spot in this part mainly because of that stupid bow guy since he's blocking the doorway). You can maybe lure him away.

I actually think it would be better to restart the entire run and focus the most on other stats such as Ranged/Firearms and Celerity. You could even do short sidequests or ways to earn a little extra Experience Points along the way since you've got like 35/40 minutes or so of uhm, "spare time"... Whoa, whole new planning required Wink

Also, I thought maybe it would be better not to spend the 2 points in the beginning to Dexterity, but instead it's maybe better to apply it to Strength (Or possibly Stamina? Or both 1 point?). If you just max Security and use Blood Buff you'll also get Lockpicking 10. I thought this would be more convenient since Blood Buff raises Dexterity until it's +5, so then you have some more Strength for any fighting parts (And/or a little more Bashing against bullets and such).

EDIT: Maybe a starting character with this:

Strength +2
Perception +1
Dodge +3
Security +2
Scholarship +1
Celerity +1

EDIT: I've just ran a bit through the game with the character I talked about above and you don't really need to add +2 to Security since you won't be doing much lockpicking (When you need to pickup the Horror Tape Part 2, there's a door which requires a lockpicking skill of 10, but it's just better to spend about 15 extra seconds to just go the other way around instead of upping the lockpicking skill that high). Better spend the other point on Firearms or Melee. I'm saying "or Melee" because the Utica didn't really have too much impact on Ming Xiao (I had a Ranged skill of 7 at the moment I faced her). So maybe it's better to upgrade Melee and just go at it with the Katana (Or bare hands possibly...), I don't know yet about that but I'll start a new character and try it out.

I've found another nice shortcut in the sewer parts after Andrei. There are some locked doors that you can still open from the locked side, and this particular door makes for a bit weird kind of shortcut. I shall make a video of it so you can see why I say weird Smiley

But it skips a nice portion of the sewers. Here's the video.
In case you're wondering, I wasn't able to open the door in the sewers in Hollywood, otherwise you could skip a big part and immediately go to this shortcut Wink

But I shall check it a little better in my next playthrough.

Couldn't find a way to open the little door to reach Gary early though, seems not possible :-/ Unless you can maybe somehow glitch a little through a wall in some way, then you could probably activate the door (Checked it with noclip) but I couldn't get it done.

I also picked up the Gladjum just before Gary, it gives a little longer duration for the Disciplines but I'm not sure if it's really needed. I don't think so actually.

Oh and yes, the temple part is pretty tough but it's doable.

EDIT: There was another little trick by the way. After you've visited Isaac in Hollywood, a girl (Forgot her name) starts talking to you on the streets right? Just before you trigger that conversation, shoot with a gun and she'll be scared and won't start talking to you (You'll get a Criminal Violation but it's possible to not encounter a cop so you can safely enter the game shop). She won't talk to you ever, when you run past her a couple of times while doing quests, she will run towards you but won't say anything.

Yes the whole temple part will be quite tricky with the low stats and all. Getting into the temple, luck manipulation FTW ;) With a Katana you should be able to "floor" some of those guys in the doorway where I was stuck for a while in the uploaded video (And that's actually the only problem spot in this part mainly because of that stupid bow guy since he's blocking the doorway). You can maybe lure him away.

I actually think it would be better to restart the entire run and focus the most on other stats such as Ranged/Firearms and Celerity. You could even do short sidequests or ways to earn a little extra Experience Points along the way since you've got like 35/40 minutes or so of uhm, "spare time"... Whoa, whole new planning required ;)

Also, I thought maybe it would be better not to spend the 2 points in the beginning to Dexterity, but instead it's maybe better to apply it to Strength (Or possibly Stamina? Or both 1 point?). If you just max Security and use Blood Buff you'll also get Lockpicking 10. I thought this would be more convenient since Blood Buff raises Dexterity until it's +5, so then you have some more Strength for any fighting parts (And/or a little more Bashing against bullets and such).

EDIT: Maybe a starting character with this:

Strength +2
Perception +1
Dodge +3
Security +2
Scholarship +1
Celerity +1

EDIT: I've just ran a bit through the game with the character I talked about above and you don't really need to add +2 to Security since you won't be doing much lockpicking (When you need to pickup the Horror Tape Part 2, there's a door which requires a lockpicking skill of 10, but it's just better to spend about 15 extra seconds to just go the other way around instead of upping the lockpicking skill that high). Better spend the other point on Firearms or Melee. I'm saying "or Melee" because the Utica didn't really have too much impact on Ming Xiao (I had a Ranged skill of 7 at the moment I faced her). So maybe it's better to upgrade Melee and just go at it with the Katana (Or bare hands possibly...), I don't know yet about that but I'll start a new character and try it out.

I've found another nice shortcut in the sewer parts after Andrei. There are some locked doors that you can still open from the locked side, and this particular door makes for a bit weird kind of shortcut. I shall make a video of it so you can see why I say weird :) But it skips a nice portion of the sewers. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLyDrtFkP5s]Here's[/url] the video.
In case you're wondering, I wasn't able to open the door in the sewers in Hollywood, otherwise you could skip a big part and immediately go to this shortcut ;) But I shall check it a little better in my next playthrough.

Couldn't find a way to open the little door to reach Gary early though, seems not possible :-/ Unless you can maybe somehow glitch a little through a wall in some way, then you could probably activate the door (Checked it with noclip) but I couldn't get it done.

I also picked up the Gladjum just before Gary, it gives a little longer duration for the Disciplines but I'm not sure if it's really needed. I don't think so actually.

Oh and yes, the temple part is pretty tough but it's doable.

EDIT: There was another little trick by the way. After you've visited Isaac in Hollywood, a girl (Forgot her name) starts talking to you on the streets right? Just before you trigger that conversation, shoot with a gun and she'll be scared and won't start talking to you (You'll get a Criminal Violation but it's possible to not encounter a cop so you can safely enter the game shop). She won't talk to you ever, when you run past her a couple of times while doing quests, she will run towards you but won't say anything.

kn1ves

2007-11-19 02:02:45 am

rabble

the best available weapon using the big sequence break will be the lassiter from tseng (i think thats his name), the "herbal shop" guy, and that usually only does 5 or so dmg per shot with the occasional one doing in the 10s with ranged at 7. using a katana or melee on ming will be tough since that makes it harder to stay behind her. aside from that, killing the little things that spawn from her will be tough without the flamethrower available. but to even get the lassiter will require spending more time to get money. the whole thing seems like a big headache, lol.

kn1ves

2007-11-19 07:21:57 pm

rabble

there are two places that immediately come to mind to get quick cash. in one of the rooms at the luck e star there is $200 just sitting on the desk. need lockpick 6 to get in for it. also in hollywood, the side mission where you help ash leave is pretty quick if you do the clothes swap. need persuasion 4 i think though, but you get $250 for that.

TheVoid

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TheVoid: 2007-11-19 07:39:59 pm

2007-11-19 07:29:42 pm

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there are two places that immediately come to mind to get quick cash. in one of the rooms at the luck e star there is $200 just sitting on the desk. need lockpick 6 to get in for it.

That could be an option, with the stats scheme I'm using you can get exactly lockpicking 6 with Blood Buff, so it's just a quick in and out of the building.

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also in hollywood, the side mission where you help ash leave is pretty quick if you do the clothes swap. need persuasion 4 i think though, but you get $250 for that.

Hmm, to get Persuasion 4 that would require 6 Experience Points. That should be possible.

I'll start looking for other quick options.

EDIT: You can also quickly get 250 which is actually Mercurio's money in the first mission (And of course just don't give it back to him, I'm not sure if this would have any consequences but I doubt it). Just let those enemies destroy the window and then jump through the window.

kn1ves

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kn1ves: 2007-11-19 08:54:35 pm

2007-11-19 08:20:51 pm

rabble

you can get $150 if you take velvet's first mission from vesuvius. you get to take the money from the change machine at the sin bin, which could work out nicely since you have to go there for info on the snuff film anyway. dont even have to finish the mission to get the money. so theres $600 right there from that, the money at the luck e star, and the money from ash. looks like once you go to chinatown mercurio unlocks the jaegerspas, so if i go back to my part 8 save i might be able to do this without redoing everything because i have lots of xp saved at this point that i spent on lockpicking, which i wouldnt do now.

edit: went to see mercurio with my part 8 save and he still had the jaeg. another quick money place is to go to the diner in santa monica and tell the cashier you're the health inspector. only get $50 but that will buy more clips for the gun.

TheVoid

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TheVoid: 2007-11-19 09:56:39 pm

2007-11-19 09:54:46 pm

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you can get $150 if you take velvet's first mission from vesuvius. you get to take the money from the change machine at the sin bin, which could work out nicely since you have to go there for info on the snuff film anyway. dont even have to finish the mission to get the money. so theres $600 right there from that, the money at the luck e star, and the money from ash.

The $150 from the Sin Bin cash machine is a very good one yes, but I'm not sure about Vesuvius' first mission. I just played the mission but you only get 2 Experience Points from it or am I missing something?
The door in the Lucky Star is lockpicking 8 by the way, for my scheme that wouldn't be really useful Wink

EDIT: Oh wait a second, without Vesuvius' first mission you can't get the money out of the cash machine. Ok.

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looks like once you go to chinatown mercurio unlocks the jaegerspas, so if i go back to my part 8 save i might be able to do this without redoing everything because i have lots of xp saved at this point that i spent on lockpicking, which i wouldnt do now.

Hmm, you sure you don't want to polish all the previous stuff? There are quite some things that could be done faster. Otherwise I'll try to beat your run sometime (Maybe sooner than I thought since I'm quite tempted to start with it actually... ;)).

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another quick money place is to go to the diner in santa monica and tell the cashier you're the health inspector. only get $50 but that will buy more clips for the gun.

Yeah, but it's only $50, how much ammo can you buy from that? I'm not sure if that would be really worth it.

[quote]you can get $150 if you take velvet's first mission from vesuvius. you get to take the money from the change machine at the sin bin, which could work out nicely since you have to go there for info on the snuff film anyway. dont even have to finish the mission to get the money. so theres $600 right there from that, the money at the luck e star, and the money from ash.[/quote]
The $150 from the Sin Bin cash machine is a very good one yes, but I'm not sure about Vesuvius' first mission. I just played the mission but you only get 2 Experience Points from it or am I missing something?
The door in the Lucky Star is lockpicking 8 by the way, for my scheme that wouldn't be really useful ;)
[b]EDIT: Oh wait a second, without Vesuvius' first mission you can't get the money out of the cash machine. Ok.[/b]

[quote]looks like once you go to chinatown mercurio unlocks the jaegerspas, so if i go back to my part 8 save i might be able to do this without redoing everything because i have lots of xp saved at this point that i spent on lockpicking, which i wouldnt do now.[/quote]
Hmm, you sure you don't want to polish all the previous stuff? There are quite some things that could be done faster. Otherwise I'll try to beat your run sometime (Maybe sooner than I thought since I'm quite tempted to start with it actually... ;)).

[quote]another quick money place is to go to the diner in santa monica and tell the cashier you're the health inspector. only get $50 but that will buy more clips for the gun.[/quote]
Yeah, but it's only $50, how much ammo can you buy from that? I'm not sure if that would be really worth it.

kn1ves

2007-11-19 11:15:59 pm

rabble

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The $150 from the Sin Bin cash machine is a very good one yes, but I'm not sure about Vesuvius' first mission. I just played the mission but you only get 2 Experience Points from it or am I missing something?
The door in the Lucky Star is lockpicking 8 by the way, for my scheme that wouldn't be really useful Wink

EDIT: Oh wait a second, without Vesuvius' first mission you can't get the money out of the cash machine. Ok.

you don't have to finish the vesuvius mission to get the cash, wasnt thinking about whether or not it was useful for xp. since you have to go to the sin bin anyway for info might as well make a quick stop at vesusvius so you can get the money when you go there.

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The door in the Lucky Star is lockpicking 8 by the way, for my scheme that wouldn't be really useful

yea, but picking up with my part 8 save would only require spending 6 xp on security to get it to 6 overall and then could just use bloodbuff for the other 2. and $50 would be good for 2 clips i believe. since its right by the cab in santa monica and only takes 10 seconds it could be worth it depending on how much money you have by that point.

[quote]The $150 from the Sin Bin cash machine is a very good one yes, but I'm not sure about Vesuvius' first mission. I just played the mission but you only get 2 Experience Points from it or am I missing something?
The door in the Lucky Star is lockpicking 8 by the way, for my scheme that wouldn't be really useful ;)
[b]EDIT: Oh wait a second, without Vesuvius' first mission you can't get the money out of the cash machine. Ok.[/b]
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you don't have to finish the vesuvius mission to get the cash, wasnt thinking about whether or not it was useful for xp. since you have to go to the sin bin anyway for info might as well make a quick stop at vesusvius so you can get the money when you go there.

[quote] The door in the Lucky Star is lockpicking 8 by the way, for my scheme that wouldn't be really useful[/quote]
yea, but picking up with my part 8 save would only require spending 6 xp on security to get it to 6 overall and then could just use bloodbuff for the other 2. and $50 would be good for 2 clips i believe. since its right by the cab in santa monica and only takes 10 seconds it could be worth it depending on how much money you have by that point.

TheVoid

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TheVoid: 2007-11-20 01:09:19 am

2007-11-20 01:01:51 am

Well, I think I've got my route and planning figured out. I don't have to activate the Vesuvius mission since I gather enough money (I also gather some extra watches and rings which are close by in several parts. By the way, you can also sell the Lockpick in case you didn't think about that yet).

At some point I went to Mercurio and bought the Jaegerspas and ammo and only had about 36 total ammo, but I didn't do the Ash mission yet. So I went back to Hollywood and did the mission but then I also saw that I gained 3 Experience Points. Because of those extra points I looked at the stats to see if I could use them and then I suddenly noticed Finance/Haggle (Which exactly costs me 3 points to upgrade) Smiley

So then I've got a Haggle of 2 which makes the Jaegerspas suddenly cost about 487 (-$26) and the ammo 20 (-$1) plus the $250 from the Ash mission (Then I loaded a save and did the Ash mission first, then bought all the stuff) and I had the gun with about 142 total ammo, should be enough Wink

And all my Experience Points are nicely spend, no points left anymore at the end Smiley

I think I can probably skip some watches/rings though. In your last segment, you enter the boss battle with 134 ammo and you have 11 ammo left after defeating Ming Xiao, so that means I could skip like 3 watches/rings.

Well, I think I've got my route and planning figured out. I don't have to activate the Vesuvius mission since I gather enough money (I also gather some extra watches and rings which are close by in several parts. By the way, you can also sell the Lockpick in case you didn't think about that yet).

At some point I went to Mercurio and bought the Jaegerspas and ammo and only had about 36 total ammo, but I didn't do the Ash mission yet. So I went back to Hollywood and did the mission but then I also saw that I gained 3 Experience Points. Because of those extra points I looked at the stats to see if I could use them and then I suddenly noticed Finance/Haggle (Which exactly costs me 3 points to upgrade) :) So then I've got a Haggle of 2 which makes the Jaegerspas suddenly cost about 487 (-$26) and the ammo 20 (-$1) plus the $250 from the Ash mission (Then I loaded a save and did the Ash mission first, then bought all the stuff) and I had the gun with about 142 total ammo, should be enough ;)

And all my Experience Points are nicely spend, no points left anymore at the end :)

I think I can probably skip some watches/rings though. In your last segment, you enter the boss battle with 134 ammo and you have 11 ammo left after defeating Ming Xiao, so that means I could skip like 3 watches/rings.

kn1ves

2007-11-20 01:25:29 am

rabble

well, sounds like you got this all figured out :P. think i'll sit this one out and wait for you to give this a try.

TheVoid

2007-11-20 11:32:50 am

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well, sounds like you got this all figured out :P.

Yeah, the only thing I actually need to figure out now is the segmentation Wink

(And I can skip picking up 1 Pill Bottle and 1 Normal Watch in the apartment in the beginning, possibly I can skip 1 Silver Ring too). I actually need to have a bit closer look at the autosaving, since you don't get save penalties that way but you said they were quite unreliable so I want to check that a bit better myself.

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think i'll sit this one out and wait for you to give this a try.

Sorry that I overtook your run Wink

Maybe you would like to start with a different clan?

kn1ves

2007-11-20 10:50:20 pm

rabble

might have to do that. trying to think what clan would be best to use.

toreador would be easiest to switch to since they have celerity too, but that would make the run pretty much the same as brujah which would be pretty boring.

ventrue seems like they have pretty worthless disciplines, so no to them.

nosferatu would be interesting and having obfuscate is a definite plus. would be hard to max out animalism as well though which keeps them from being at their most effective.

gangrel looked like it would be good with a combo of protean and animalism. you can max out protean and beckett gives you animalism(5). unfortunately that is after the giovanni mansion. still might be workable however.

malkavians are just plain fun to play, so the downsides for me arent as important. obfuscate is very useful and dementation can be effective against ming. of course getting them both to level 5 would be pretty hard.

tremere is in my eyes the best choice. thaumaturgy would only need to be at level 3 since levels 4 and 5 arent worth their blood cost to use. blood strike is great because it restores blood points if used correctly and blood shield helps with the issue of defense. dominate would only need to be at level 2 to help get past people, but level 3 is still useful so might be worth getting that. the big plus here is that blood strike eliminates the need to level melee and unarmed because it can handle most enemies, so there will be extra xp to spend on upgrading other things.

having said all that, still not sure which one i would pick. tremere is in the lead but malkavians are lots of fun. i havent played as gangrel or nosferatu yet so i might do that just for something new, if i decide to do it at all.

might have to do that. trying to think what clan would be best to use.

toreador would be easiest to switch to since they have celerity too, but that would make the run pretty much the same as brujah which would be pretty boring.

ventrue seems like they have pretty worthless disciplines, so no to them.

nosferatu would be interesting and having obfuscate is a definite plus. would be hard to max out animalism as well though which keeps them from being at their most effective.

gangrel looked like it would be good with a combo of protean and animalism. you can max out protean and beckett gives you animalism(5). unfortunately that is after the giovanni mansion. still might be workable however.

malkavians are just plain fun to play, so the downsides for me arent as important. obfuscate is very useful and dementation can be effective against ming. of course getting them both to level 5 would be pretty hard.

tremere is in my eyes the best choice. thaumaturgy would only need to be at level 3 since levels 4 and 5 arent worth their blood cost to use. blood strike is great because it restores blood points if used correctly and blood shield helps with the issue of defense. dominate would only need to be at level 2 to help get past people, but level 3 is still useful so might be worth getting that. the big plus here is that blood strike eliminates the need to level melee and unarmed because it can handle most enemies, so there will be extra xp to spend on upgrading other things.

having said all that, still not sure which one i would pick. tremere is in the lead but malkavians are lots of fun. i havent played as gangrel or nosferatu yet so i might do that just for something new, if i decide to do it at all.

Maglok

2007-11-23 11:20:55 am

Dum die dum

Wow this game is being ripped apart, nice work.

I played through the game as Gangrel, and let me tell you those claws do some pretty nifty damage. Mabye there are options there.

TheVoid

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TheVoid: 2007-11-24 02:20:02 pm

2007-11-23 12:30:19 pm

I actually have barely touched the other clans, yet, so I don't really have a suggestion or anything for you Smiley

I've changed a few things in my planning/scheme. It seemed that Intimidate 2 for the Elizabeth Dane and Intimidate 3 for the Ash mission is enough to complete those missions, because of that I get a Haggle of 3 when I'm going to see Mercurio to buy the weapon which means that I need lesser money. So I'm skipping some more watches and rings. I'm also skipping some Blood Packs and only grab the 3 Blood Packs and 2 Elder Vitae from Grouts Mansion, actually I don't even need the 3 Blood Packs, the 2 Elder Vitae are enough Smiley

I also don't pickup those items which give some extra stats except for the "Frenzy check modifier +1" since that one is really close to a handle so it's easily grabbed and I'm pretty often quite short on Blood so having something to prevent me from going Frenzy is always handy Wink

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Yeah, if only there was some glitchy way of beating her, like getting her stuck somewhere, or constantly damaged or something (Those fires in the corner won't damage her if I'm not mistaken).

I did find some tricky/glitchy way of fighting Ming Xiao. Ming Xiao basically has 2 melee attacks, a close high attack and a far low attack. It's possible to stand not too far away from her and not too close by while crouching, and then she performs/keeps performing the high melee attack but she can't hit you. So you can just sit in front of her and keep shooting her without getting hit. BUT the problem starts when the second big guy appears, he often gets spawned somewhere behind Ming Xiao or in other words further away from you, which means that he'll perform the far low attack and thus hits you. You can, however, at the moment the big guy appears, to move towards him while keeping the same distance to Ming Xiao, and then you have both enemies stalled. But it seems the second big guy will, with each attack, get a little closer by to you which means that he will eventually start hitting you. There was one time where I sat in the corner next to the big buddha statue and I had Ming Xiao stalled, the second big guy also spawned and he somehow couldn't reach me and just stood there doing nothing. I could kill Ming Xiao without any interference. This fight will be very tricky to set up correctly, but it can be done. Fighting Ming Xiao normally with Celerity and staying behind her is very difficult with the second big guy, unless you kill him but then you'll run out of ammo.
So in other words, this last segment will be hell... Wink

By the way, I've checked/timed it and strafejumping is indeed a bit faster than straferunning if performed correctly. Does make the segments a bit harder to optimise though...

And might I add that a 100% run would be totally awesome? Requires a tremendous amount of planning though, but it would rock Smiley

(I had a little post mess up further above in the thread, I accidentally overwrite that post with this post (I was quoting myself about Ming Xiao), so I removed it.)

I actually have barely touched the other clans, yet, so I don't really have a suggestion or anything for you :)

I've changed a few things in my planning/scheme. It seemed that Intimidate 2 for the Elizabeth Dane and Intimidate 3 for the Ash mission is enough to complete those missions, because of that I get a Haggle of 3 when I'm going to see Mercurio to buy the weapon which means that I need lesser money. So I'm skipping some more watches and rings. I'm also skipping some Blood Packs and only grab the 3 Blood Packs and 2 Elder Vitae from Grouts Mansion, actually I don't even need the 3 Blood Packs, the 2 Elder Vitae are enough :) I also don't pickup those items which give some extra stats except for the "Frenzy check modifier +1" since that one is really close to a handle so it's easily grabbed and I'm pretty often quite short on Blood so having something to prevent me from going Frenzy is always handy ;)

[quote]Yeah, if only there was some glitchy way of beating her, like getting her stuck somewhere, or constantly damaged or something (Those fires in the corner won't damage her if I'm not mistaken).[/quote]
I did find some tricky/glitchy way of fighting Ming Xiao. Ming Xiao basically has 2 melee attacks, a close high attack and a far low attack. It's possible to stand not too far away from her and not too close by while crouching, and then she performs/keeps performing the high melee attack but she can't hit you. So you can just sit in front of her and keep shooting her without getting hit. BUT the problem starts when the second big guy appears, he often gets spawned somewhere behind Ming Xiao or in other words further away from you, which means that he'll perform the far low attack and thus hits you. You can, however, at the moment the big guy appears, to move towards him while keeping the same distance to Ming Xiao, and then you have both enemies stalled. But it seems the second big guy will, with each attack, get a little closer by to you which means that he will eventually start hitting you. There was one time where I sat in the corner next to the big buddha statue and I had Ming Xiao stalled, the second big guy also spawned and he somehow couldn't reach me and just stood there doing nothing. I could kill Ming Xiao without any interference. This fight will be very tricky to set up correctly, but it can be done. Fighting Ming Xiao normally with Celerity and staying behind her is very difficult with the second big guy, unless you kill him but then you'll run out of ammo.
So in other words, this last segment will be hell... ;)

By the way, I've checked/timed it and strafejumping is indeed a bit faster than straferunning if performed correctly. Does make the segments a bit harder to optimise though...

And might I add that a 100% run would be totally awesome? Requires a tremendous amount of planning though, but it would rock :)

(I had a little post mess up further above in the thread, I accidentally overwrite that post with this post (I was quoting myself about Ming Xiao), so I removed it.)

Wulfenlord

2007-11-24 02:18:14 pm

I h8 YaBB 1G - SP1!

Great work on this game- I can't wait to see the results.

kn1ves

2007-11-27 04:49:50 am

rabble

just got done with a rough playthrough of all the missions before fighting ming as a tremere and was pleasantly surprised with the results. trance and brain wipe in the dominate discipline are proving more useful than i thought they would be. the sewers were a bit of a rough spot, but not excessively so. i also did some trigger checking with mercurio and heather. talking to him about the jaeg doesnt seem to make it appear sooner. looks like it shows up after you finish the sewers. with heather, i was checking how late you could visit her at your haven to get her "tuition money." since its $500 i figured it would be good to check on that. you have to talk to her after grouts mansion and before going to the museum. this was with me saving her before i went to see mercurio, so i dont know yet if delaying saving her a bit would delay when she offers the money. anyway, that money would cover a good deal of the money needed to get the jaeg and ammo. i had to go back to santa monica to get the money though because i messed up somewhere, got a masquerade violation, and the prince didnt give me the downtown haven. the downtown haven is kind of out of the way, but would most likely be faster to go there to talk to heather for the money and could also pick up 3 more blood packs, which are very useful when playing tremere. i dont remember my exact starting stats, but i know i had persuasion 3 and that let me get past the guard at the beach house without fighting to get the $250 in the vent there. had to fight though to get the astrolite. persuasion 3 also gives a new conversation option when talking to the cop on the dane, so intimidate 2 wouldnt be needed.

Maglok

2007-12-06 01:55:11 pm

Dum die dum

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And might I add that a 100% run would be totally awesome? Requires a tremendous amount of planning though, but it would rock Smiley

But what would be 100%? You'd have to go for the ending with the most bosses I'd say. That means Ming and LaCroix I think? All quests also take quite a bit. But it should be doable within the soft 7 hour limit.

TheVoid

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TheVoid: 2007-12-06 02:22:53 pm

2007-12-06 02:22:14 pm

I actually don't think defeating both the Ming Xiao and LaCroix parts/bosses is needed but it would be awesome to have them all included Wink

Should be asked to mikwuyma I guess.

Maglok

2007-12-06 02:38:08 pm

Dum die dum

If your defining 100% and it includes all quests then you should probably go with the ending that shows you 2 out of the 3 endgame fights.

I also wonder if as a Gangrel with protean you don't beat Ming Xiao a lot easier and thus make it perhaps fast in a speedrun. Celerity actually makes you run faster though? I never played a brujah and I didn't notice that much of it in the run.

TheVoid

2007-12-06 03:03:54 pm

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Celerity actually makes you run faster though? I never played a brujah and I didn't notice that much of it in the run.

I'm not really sure if it actually makes you faster, it's just that the surroundings move slower which give you an advantage.

Kn1ves, working on anything?

Maglok

2007-12-06 03:15:36 pm

Dum die dum

Then are you doing anything that really cuts time by being Brujah? I know that high level protean (and even low level) hits very very hard against vampires and especially bosses.

As a Gangrel you do get -2 on frenzy checks, but I never really frenzied much. Also if you do your physical attributes go +5.

High level protean also ups your stats. Downside, it's a bit slow.

TheVoid

2007-12-06 03:33:34 pm

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Then are you doing anything that really cuts time by being Brujah?

Keep in mind that the classes are seperate categories Smiley

kn1ves

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kn1ves: 2007-12-06 07:30:53 pm

2007-12-06 05:13:55 pm

rabble

my try with tremere is on hold right now. plan on starting it within a week or so, but wont make updates like i did with my previous run unless i do/find something really cool. i found a way to get into the temple without getting hurt much on a consistent basis, but to do it i go through a roof texture...so dunno if it would be allowed. i'll post a vid eventually of it.

maglok, the big plus with brujah and celerity is that you can easily run past the enemies without fighting. it also helped in some of the boss fights to get in more damage more easily. the best example of this would be the 2nd fight with andrei. celerity slowed him down when he jumped out from the ground/blood pools, making it possible to unload a whole clip from the jaeg accurately into his face and avoid being hit by him more easily.

edit: here's my temple entrance video http://rapidshare.com/files/74751462/templeshortcut.avi.html
you just have to make it up without the door guards noticing you. doing it this way keeps the crossbow guys from spawning, but with vampire's weird code i think it may be having some weird effects later...like respawning guys in the part where you get the statues to open the portal. so this may be totally worthless anyway. gonna try checking that now.

edit: looks like it was just random last time, no problems with guys respawning in my latest check of the temple. so if what is in the video is allowed theres an easy way to get in without taking much damage.

my try with tremere is on hold right now. plan on starting it within a week or so, but wont make updates like i did with my previous run unless i do/find something really cool. i found a way to get into the temple without getting hurt much on a consistent basis, but to do it i go through a roof texture...so dunno if it would be allowed. i'll post a vid eventually of it.

maglok, the big plus with brujah and celerity is that you can easily run past the enemies without fighting. it also helped in some of the boss fights to get in more damage more easily. the best example of this would be the 2nd fight with andrei. celerity slowed him down when he jumped out from the ground/blood pools, making it possible to unload a whole clip from the jaeg accurately into his face and avoid being hit by him more easily.

edit: here's my temple entrance video http://rapidshare.com/files/74751462/templeshortcut.avi.html
you just have to make it up without the door guards noticing you. doing it this way keeps the crossbow guys from spawning, but with vampire's weird code i think it may be having some weird effects later...like respawning guys in the part where you get the statues to open the portal. so this may be totally worthless anyway. gonna try checking that now.

edit: looks like it was just random last time, no problems with guys respawning in my latest check of the temple. so if what is in the video is allowed theres an easy way to get in without taking much damage.

Maglok

2007-12-07 09:31:36 am

Dum die dum

Ok that makes sense about the Brujah, that totally makes it the only real choice for the speedrun.

As for the movie as long as you don't leave the confines of the level walking through a texture should be ok.

TheVoid

2007-12-07 09:43:26 am

Nice kn1ves, I remember I did basically the same thing but didn't go to the front temple door. Instead I walked to the backside of the temple, fell down on nothing and tried to open the transition door there but since that would be Out of Bounds I didn't really bother anymore Wink

Looks legal to me so it could be used. It does make the part easier, but does it also make it faster? I actually don't really think so because you need to walk all the way around, and with some luck manipulation, you can get inside pretty quickly.

kn1ves

2007-12-07 11:56:50 am

rabble

with perfect luck i imagine your way is quicker. the big plus with this way is it keeps the crossbow guys from spawning and blocking the door, so it probably isnt much slower and would be a lot less of a headache because it relies less on luck.