Twilight Princess (GCN)

ING-X

2011-11-25 08:41:05 am

umad

Ah ok, thanks, I misunderstood what you said last time lol.

Pheenoh

2011-11-26 05:49:14 pm

Pheenoh the mean-o

I got a 4:05 today, which is pretty good for me. >_>

I probably won't be going for anything faster for the next few weeks though; I just wanted to get a somewhat decent time.

As you might be able to tell, the run kinda fell apart at Lanayru gate clip. I despise that trick.

Interslice

2011-11-27 05:07:19 pm

That is one kick ass Master Sword split.

ING-X

2011-12-06 07:02:43 pm

umad

AW YEEEAAAH thumbsup

ING-X

2011-12-14 02:56:15 pm

umad

I updated the wiki with a new, more detailed RTA route with videos: http://speedruns.wikia.com/wiki/Zelda_Twilight#GCN_Any.25_SS_with_Resets_Route

logitechSDAZ

Edit history:

logitechSDAZ: 2011-12-14 04:31:24 pm

logitechSDAZ: 2011-12-14 04:21:20 pm

2011-12-14 04:19:17 pm

With SS with resets, instead of the 2 yellow rupees on top of the house, it is faster to get 2 yellow rupees from a blown up boulder during the Telma escort. Telma's carriage is slow, so it hardly wastes any time at all. Also, breaking the rock before Deku Toad with B&C is probably too risky. Empty the bomb bag during the Telma escort and get water bombs in Lakebed.

ING-X

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ING-X: 2011-12-14 07:55:25 pm

2011-12-14 07:54:48 pm

umad

Well, I never have trouble breaking the rock with B&C, so I'll probably stick with that (considering I don't think I can empty the bomb bag completely during Telma escort considering all the enemies you have to deal with, and I'm not sure if accidentally hitting the carriage with a bomb will blow it off course like the bird bombs will). Also, where are these rocks that you can blow up during Telma escort?

logitechSDAZ

Edit history:

logitechSDAZ: 2011-12-14 10:47:18 pm

2011-12-14 10:45:25 pm

Quote from ING-X:

Also, where are these rocks that you can blow up during Telma escort?

0:53, boulder on left side of screen

ING-X

2011-12-15 01:13:23 pm

umad

Alright, I added those rupees to the route. Good shit.

ING-X

2011-12-22 07:15:55 pm

umad

I did some timing for SS w/ resets, and it turns out that savewarps only save 3:49: 35 seconds in forest, 40 in arbiters, and 2:34 in CitS. If BiT saves 4:25 in segmented, then it saves ~4:05 in SS w/ resets since save+reset takes ~20 seconds. Therefore, the total time is ~7:54, not 10:00 as was assumed. So a perfect time for SS w/ resets (no mistakes) would be 3:34 (vs 3:42 for SS), making the respective goal times 3:40 and 3:48.

Speaking of which, I finished a TP SS w/ resets in 3:50 today. I still have no idea where I'm losing ~10 minutes (I made some pretty bad mistakes but probably not more than like 6-8 minutes), so I'll upload it to youtube later so people can give me advice.

Marche_Fighter_Paladin

2011-12-22 09:27:01 pm

Claimh Happy

For a run of this length, you may very easily be losing time from optimization that you simply can't notice. If you lose half a second every minute, that's 1 minute and 50 seconds over the course of the whole run.

ING-X

2011-12-23 04:34:56 am

umad

That doesn't explain where 10 fucking minutes is coming from though Sad

Marche_Fighter_Paladin

2011-12-23 05:01:40 am

Claimh Happy

You already said you made 6-8 minutes of mistakes. I was explaining the remaining 2-4.

ING-X

2011-12-23 06:17:46 am

umad

No, that 10 minutes is BESIDES the 6-8 minutes of mistakes. :|

André

Edit history:

André: 2011-12-23 06:21:56 am

André: 2011-12-23 06:21:40 am

2011-12-23 06:21:26 am

Main Work!!!

Anyway, we will probably be able to help you further when you'll upload the video Tongue

. but anyway, good job on your improvement since the beginning, if you're persistent with our help and persistence, you'll eventually succeed in this speedrun, I'm sure Smiley

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ING-X

2011-12-23 06:44:56 am

umad

Here's the run (may not be done processing yet when you read this).

Sillygramcracker

2011-12-23 12:43:48 pm

THIS RUN CONTAINS SECRET WORLDS

When you say it's not done processing, I assume that's why YouTube says "removed by the user". I look forward to seeing this run once it's actually up.

ING-X

2011-12-23 01:27:22 pm

umad

Yeah the new youtube uploader blows ass and the video got removed somehow :|

ING-X

2011-12-23 02:07:18 pm

umad

Sorry for the near unwatchable quality, it was an LQ AVI encode (I can't upload MP4s to youtube without it desyncing).

logitechSDAZ

2011-12-23 03:43:50 pm

Quote from ING-X:

That doesn't explain where 10 fucking minutes is coming from though Sad

10 minutes saved was just a bad guess on my part. I knew that resetting after certain parts would save several minutes overall, but I didn't actually time it to know the exact amount saved. Too bad it looks to save less than 8 minutes.

ING-X

2011-12-23 04:00:09 pm

umad

I meant the 10 minutes I lost in the run outside of the 5-7 minutes of mistakes that I had. I have no idea where I lost so much time. Sorry for the confusion.

ING-X

Edit history:

ING-X: 2011-12-24 01:19:07 pm

2011-12-24 01:18:31 pm

umad

I did some timing and came up with the following calculations comparing with Jiano's run (taking the timesavers into account):

Jiano start: 0:24
ingx24 start: 0:16
Difference at wolf: 3:54 (ingx24 ahead)
Taming Epona: 1:03:28 to 1:08:20 = 4:52
Emptying bomb bag in lakebed: 1:49:36 to 1:50:21 = 0:45
Second water bomb chest in lakebed: 0:20

Jiano entering Faron Twilight: 21:24 - 0:24 = 21:00
ingx24 entering Faron Twilight: 15:00 - 0:16 (14:44) + 3:54 (18:38) + 2:24 (S&S skip) = 21:02
Difference: ingx24 losing 2 seconds

Jiano entering Sacred Grove: 26:17 - 0:24 = 25:53
ingx24 entering Sacred Grove: 20:06 + 6:02 = 26:08
Difference: ingx24 losing 15 seconds

Jiano getting Master Sword: 30:42 - 0:24 = 30:18
ingx24 getting Master Sword: 24:39 + 6:02 = 30:41
Difference: ingx24 losing 23 seconds

Jiano entering Forest temple: 37:30 - 0:24 = 37:06
ingx24 entering Forest Temple: 31:27 + 6:02 = 37:29
Difference: ingx24 losing 23 seconds

Jiano completing forest temple: 50:17 - 0:24 = 49:53
ingx24 completing Forest Temple: 45:25 + 6:02 (51:27) - 0:33 (forest first room)(50:54) + 0:35 (forest savewarp) = 51:29
Difference: ingx24 losing 1:36

Jiano finished Eldin tears: 1:03:18 - 0:24 = 1:02:54
ingx24 finished Eldin tears: 59:00 + 6:04 + 0:10 (riding epona) = 1:05:14
Difference: ingx24 losing 2:20

Jiano Lanayru tears finished: 1:27:31 - 0:24 = 1:27:07
ingx24 Lanayru tears finished: 1:19:28 + 6:14 (1:25:42) + 4:52 (taming epona) = 1:30:34
Difference: ingx24 losing 3:27

Jiano picking up ball and chain: 1:40:46 - 0:24 = 1:40:22
ingx24 picking up ball and chain: 1:32:50 + 11:06 = 1:43:56
Difference: ingx24 losing 3:34

Jiano entering Lakebed: 1:48:31 - 0:24 = 1:48:07
ingx24 entering Lakebed: 1:43:17 + 11:06 (1:54:23) - 0:38 (orange rupee)(1:53:45) - 0:06 (1:53:39) - 2:09 (1:51:30) + 0:37 = 1:52:07
Difference: ingx24 losing 4:00

Jiano finished Lakebed: 2:02:09 - 0:24 - 0:05 (disc switch) = 2:01:40
ingx24 finished Lakebed: 1:55:25 + 8:50 (2:04:15) + 0:41 (2:04:56) + 0:45 (2:05:41) + 0:20 (2:06:01) + 2:26 = 2:08:29
Difference: ingx24 losing 6:49

Jiano finished Midna's Lament: 2:08:46 - 0:29 = 2:08:17
ingx24 finished Midna's Lament: 2:02:24 + 13:04 = 2:15:28
Difference: ingx24 losing 7:11

Jiano finished Arbiter's Grounds: 2:37:31 - 0:29 = 2:37:02
ingx24 finished Arbiter's Grounds: 2:32:03 + 13:04 (2:45:07) + 0:40 (savewarp) = 2:45:47
Difference: ingx24 losing 8:45

Jiano finished City in the Sky: 3:08:57 - 0:29 = 3:08:28
ingx24 finished City in the Sky: 3:00:27 + 13:44 (3:14:11) + 2:34 (savewarp) = 3:16:45
Difference: ingx24 losing 8:17

Jiano finished Palace of Twilight: 3:36:29 - 0:29 = 3:36:00
ingx24 finished Palace of Twilight: 3:29:23 + 16:18 (3:45:41) + 0:17 (underwater zant) = 3:45:58
Difference: ingx24 losing 9:58

Jiano done: 3:57:20 - 0:29 = 3:56:51
ingx24 done: 3:50:00 + 16:35 (4:06:35) + 1:18 (barrier skips) = 4:07:53

Final result: ingx24 losing 11:02 over Jiano's run from optimization
Minus morpheel: ingx24 losing 8:40 over Jiano's run from optimization (forgot to take bad morpheel luck in jiano's run into account, too lazy to fix)

Time losses:
Up to faron twilight: 0:02
Up to sacred grove: 0:13
Up to master sword: 0:08
Up to forest temple: 1:13
Forest Temple finished to Eldin Tears: 0:44
Eldin tears finished to Lanayru tears: 1:07
Lanayru tears finished to ball and chain: 0:07
B&C to Lakebed: 0:26
Lakebed: 0:27
Midna's Lament: 0:22
Midna's Lament to end of Arbiter's: 1:34
End of Arbiter's to end of CitS: -0:28
End of CitS to end of PoT: 1:41
End of PoT to end of game: 1:04
Total: 8:40

So I lost about 8:40 over Jiano's run due to optimization errors (and possibly slightly more mistakes due to luck). Sheeeeiiit.

I did some timing and came up with the following calculations comparing with Jiano's run (taking the timesavers into account):

[hidden]Jiano start: 0:24
ingx24 start: 0:16
Difference at wolf: 3:54 (ingx24 ahead)
Taming Epona: 1:03:28 to 1:08:20 = 4:52
Emptying bomb bag in lakebed: 1:49:36 to 1:50:21 = 0:45
Second water bomb chest in lakebed: 0:20

Jiano entering Faron Twilight: 21:24 - 0:24 = 21:00
ingx24 entering Faron Twilight: 15:00 - 0:16 (14:44) + 3:54 (18:38) + 2:24 (S&S skip) = 21:02
Difference: ingx24 losing 2 seconds

Jiano entering Sacred Grove: 26:17 - 0:24 = 25:53
ingx24 entering Sacred Grove: 20:06 + 6:02 = 26:08
Difference: ingx24 losing 15 seconds

Jiano getting Master Sword: 30:42 - 0:24 = 30:18
ingx24 getting Master Sword: 24:39 + 6:02 = 30:41
Difference: ingx24 losing 23 seconds

Jiano entering Forest temple: 37:30 - 0:24 = 37:06
ingx24 entering Forest Temple: 31:27 + 6:02 = 37:29
Difference: ingx24 losing 23 seconds

Jiano completing forest temple: 50:17 - 0:24 = 49:53
ingx24 completing Forest Temple: 45:25 + 6:02 (51:27) - 0:33 (forest first room)(50:54) + 0:35 (forest savewarp) = 51:29
Difference: ingx24 losing 1:36

Jiano finished Eldin tears: 1:03:18 - 0:24 = 1:02:54
ingx24 finished Eldin tears: 59:00 + 6:04 + 0:10 (riding epona) = 1:05:14
Difference: ingx24 losing 2:20

Jiano Lanayru tears finished: 1:27:31 - 0:24 = 1:27:07
ingx24 Lanayru tears finished: 1:19:28 + 6:14 (1:25:42) + 4:52 (taming epona) = 1:30:34
Difference: ingx24 losing 3:27

Jiano picking up ball and chain: 1:40:46 - 0:24 = 1:40:22
ingx24 picking up ball and chain: 1:32:50 + 11:06 = 1:43:56
Difference: ingx24 losing 3:34

Jiano entering Lakebed: 1:48:31 - 0:24 = 1:48:07
ingx24 entering Lakebed: 1:43:17 + 11:06 (1:54:23) - 0:38 (orange rupee)(1:53:45) - 0:06 (1:53:39) - 2:09 (1:51:30) + 0:37 = 1:52:07
Difference: ingx24 losing 4:00

Jiano finished Lakebed: 2:02:09 - 0:24 - 0:05 (disc switch) = 2:01:40
ingx24 finished Lakebed: 1:55:25 + 8:50 (2:04:15) + 0:41 (2:04:56) + 0:45 (2:05:41) + 0:20 (2:06:01) + 2:26 = 2:08:29
Difference: ingx24 losing 6:49

Jiano finished Midna's Lament: 2:08:46 - 0:29 = 2:08:17
ingx24 finished Midna's Lament: 2:02:24 + 13:04 = 2:15:28
Difference: ingx24 losing 7:11

Jiano finished Arbiter's Grounds: 2:37:31 - 0:29 = 2:37:02
ingx24 finished Arbiter's Grounds: 2:32:03 + 13:04 (2:45:07) + 0:40 (savewarp) = 2:45:47
Difference: ingx24 losing 8:45

Jiano finished City in the Sky: 3:08:57 - 0:29 = 3:08:28
ingx24 finished City in the Sky: 3:00:27 + 13:44 (3:14:11) + 2:34 (savewarp) = 3:16:45
Difference: ingx24 losing 8:17

Jiano finished Palace of Twilight: 3:36:29 - 0:29 = 3:36:00
ingx24 finished Palace of Twilight: 3:29:23 + 16:18 (3:45:41) + 0:17 (underwater zant) = 3:45:58
Difference: ingx24 losing 9:58

Jiano done: 3:57:20 - 0:29 = 3:56:51
ingx24 done: 3:50:00 + 16:35 (4:06:35) + 1:18 (barrier skips) = 4:07:53

Final result: ingx24 losing 11:02 over Jiano's run from optimization
Minus morpheel: ingx24 losing 8:40 over Jiano's run from optimization (forgot to take bad morpheel luck in jiano's run into account, too lazy to fix)

Time losses:
Up to faron twilight: 0:02
Up to sacred grove: 0:13
Up to master sword: 0:08
Up to forest temple: 1:13
Forest Temple finished to Eldin Tears: 0:44
Eldin tears finished to Lanayru tears: 1:07
Lanayru tears finished to ball and chain: 0:07
B&C to Lakebed: 0:26
Lakebed: 0:27
Midna's Lament: 0:22
Midna's Lament to end of Arbiter's: 1:34
End of Arbiter's to end of CitS: -0:28
End of CitS to end of PoT: 1:41
End of PoT to end of game: 1:04
Total: 8:40[/hidden]

So I lost about 8:40 over Jiano's run due to optimization errors (and possibly slightly more mistakes due to luck). Sheeeeiiit.

Marche_Fighter_Paladin

2011-12-24 02:49:18 pm

Claimh Happy

Yeah. Jiano's run was just.....clean. Other than his fucking up the statue glitch, he didn't many errors.

ING-X

2012-01-02 12:38:37 pm

umad

Sillygramcracker

2012-01-02 04:19:26 pm

THIS RUN CONTAINS SECRET WORLDS

The sad thing about Ing's video is that the title reminds me too much of that satirical SM64 video Pokey made recently.