Turok 2 hard mode speed run

Bismuth

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Bismuth: 2012-05-25 12:37:52 pm

2012-05-25 12:28:41 pm

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Lol, I don't know that much about dinosaurs, I didn't know Ceratops was the name of the species. I won't argue then! And I'll be trying for sub-50 today, too Smiley

Here's what I think can be improved pretty easily:
Port of Adia, I know I can do it a good 20 seconds faster just by overall playing better, since I was 20 seconds late at the totem. 52:10.
The three totems seem to me like I could do them about 10 seconds faster each, so let's say 30 seconds total. 51:40.
The death at the beginning of RoS made me lose 40-45 seconds. 51:00.
A better water boost between warps 3 and 4 (the gate keys and fake portal part) could save me heaps of time, I don't know how much. Also I lost time over the warps 2 and 3, I think I could be able to get a nice 20 seconds there, honestly. 50:40.
First sister of despair could have been better... 50:30-35.
Second sister went bad, 50:20.
Messed up the route after the second sister. I always take the wrong way out of the place, and then I always take the wrong way up and end up on the wrong side of the level 4 key part. Overall at least 15. I'd say 20 seconds even. It makes it 50:00. I could very well hit that goal!

Lol, I don't know that much about dinosaurs, I didn't know Ceratops was the name of the species. I won't argue then! And I'll be trying for sub-50 today, too :)

Here's what I think can be improved pretty easily:
Port of Adia, I know I can do it a good 20 seconds faster just by overall playing better, since I was 20 seconds late at the totem. 52:10.
The three totems seem to me like I could do them about 10 seconds faster each, so let's say 30 seconds total. 51:40.
The death at the beginning of RoS made me lose 40-45 seconds. 51:00.
A better water boost between warps 3 and 4 (the gate keys and fake portal part) could save me heaps of time, I don't know how much. Also I lost time over the warps 2 and 3, I think I could be able to get a nice 20 seconds there, honestly. 50:40.
First sister of despair could have been better... 50:30-35.
Second sister went bad, 50:20.
Messed up the route after the second sister. I always take the wrong way out of the place, and then I always take the wrong way up and end up on the wrong side of the level 4 key part. Overall at least 15. I'd say 20 seconds even. It makes it 50:00. I could very well hit that goal!

Veritate

2012-05-25 02:15:44 pm

Good job on finding consistent strategies for the difficult jumps! Looks like these won't be a big problem anymore in the future.

Did you already try levels 4, 5 and 6? I think the level that is done after 3 would be the point in the run where things finally start to get more interesting. I wonder if you could actually speedrun the game SS without dying, but I guess it would be really okay if not given the length of the run.

giganotabehemoth87

2012-05-25 02:28:13 pm

You could easily speed run the game on SS without dying, especially on easy mode. But the thing is death warping speeds up many areas by a hefty some. and it's even a requirement if you decide to do the level 5 P-key eye of truth skip and succeed. It saves the 5 - 7 minute backtrack to this level, but it is very tricky though.

Which reminds me, you should do the Hive next, not the Lair. Optimably speaking it's faster by around 30 seconds. You also don't get that many useful weapons on the Lair, and anything you do get, you can get when doing the Hive anyway. Like charge dart right at the beginning for example.

Bismuth

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2012-05-25 02:32:48 pm

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I'm not ready yet for the harder levels Sad

but hey! I just recorded a 49:49.19! 54 minutes of in-game time to the lair of the blind ones, including port of adia primagen key.
http://www.twitch.tv/bismuth9/b/319331906

Port of Adia: 13:49
Death Marshes: 11:27
River of Souls 21:15

By the way I miss the Mag 60 in Death Marshes. Woops! Tongue

And yes, I plan on deathwarping some stuff, but I'll have to take an in-depth look at the level 5 P-key and see if I can reasonably hope to use it in a SS run.

giganotabehemoth87

2012-05-25 04:44:21 pm

holy shit ! you maybe on easy mode but you're only 5 minutes from my time Shocked

and it's SS. I take it you did the bridge jump through in level 2 ? but still that is very impressive.

About the level 5 P-key, even if you don't use any death warps in the run, you could use many deaths/attempts on this trick alone and it'd still save you a few minutes. I'd definitely try to master it.

Bismuth

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2012-05-25 04:51:35 pm

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YouTube link with detailed information:

This is probably my last SS of the first 3 missions, it's probably time to move on to the next, harder levels. I may try to improve it tonight though.

Oh, and by the way, since you guys are Turok fans probably, you'll probably like my rendition of Port of Adia on the piano. Done by ear, recorded single segment Tongue

It's 2 tones lower because the low notes sound even more awesome, and also because I use a piano sound that sounds on 2 octaves... anyway, hope you like it Wink

http://soundcloud.com/bismuth9/port-of-adia

Gigan

2012-05-25 06:19:51 pm

That was just...Beautiful !

Veritate

2012-05-26 01:58:27 am

Yep, in my opinion the music in Turok 2 ranks among the best ever... for a video game console's tiny soundchip. It's not only that I like the electronica, Dave Mitchell (I believe that's the composer's name) is a f--- genius and actually created small symphonies for this game. It's really cool you can play it on piano!

I haven't watched the last two attempts yet, going to do that today. But the time you posted looks very, very promising.

Bismuth

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2012-05-26 02:27:53 am

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No need to do so. http://www.twitch.tv/bismuth9/b/319386182 Smiley

giganotabehemoth: I did this for you http://www.twitch.tv/bismuth9/b/319389151
4.9 seconds faster than your first segment;
1.5 seconds faster than your second segment to get to the third water boost, right after the third warp. Sadly though, I mess up the water boost Sad

and for some reason I take no damage! I still have 113 health at that point Cheesy

giganotabehemoth87

2012-05-26 05:03:30 am

Aww your so kind, now my run is flawed and full of cracks thumbsup

haha, nah I'm just joking. If I'm really honest I knew my first segment wasn't perfect until I got much further into the run, and I actually feel better at the game compared to when I started. I figured swimming underwater would be faster there during the backtrack for the P-key after level 2. I also didn't do a precise ladder jump before the child. And also that slope jump right at the start after getting the water boost.

Anyway keep up the good work.

ridd3r.

2012-05-27 01:42:53 am

we have lift off

Quote from giganotabehemoth87:

Aww your so kind, now my run is flawed and full of cracks thumbsup

haha, nah I'm just joking. If I'm really honest I knew my first segment wasn't perfect until I got much further into the run, and I actually feel better at the game compared to when I started. I figured swimming underwater would be faster there during the backtrack for the P-key after level 2. I also didn't do a precise ladder jump before the child. And also that slope jump right at the start after getting the water boost.

Anyway keep up the good work.

Sorry to go slightly off topic, but what run are you doing next? Is that 0:31 Super Metroid far down the list Tongue

lxx4xNx6xxl

2012-05-27 02:04:08 am

My name is 4N6/Forensics.

Hes gonna be doing Metroid 2 next to answer your question Ridd3r. Then Super Metroid after.

Squeebles

2012-05-27 08:19:24 am

Man, I've missed a lot by not keeping a closer eye on this thread ^o^; Thank you, everyone who took interest in this thread ^u^ When I first started it kinda seemed like none of the information I was gathering would get used because I had neither the skills or equipment to get a run up here. Good times now, methinks ^w^

Bismuth

2012-05-27 11:22:46 am

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I just had a test run on hard mode. Died after warp 3 of Port of Adia, because I took 50 damage because of running into an exploding barrel, and I took 20 damage in 2 hits underwater at the 3rd water boost. What the hell!

Squeebles

2012-05-28 04:13:04 pm

Man, that sure is unforgiving ^.^;

Bismuth

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2012-05-28 09:43:39 pm

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http://www.twitch.tv/Bismuth9 streaming atm, will probably edit this post with the result of this.

47:03.21! Mistakes: taking SO LONG to kill armored Purr-Lins in Death Marshes, falling down a bridge for 10-15 seconds, and dieing (lol) just after River of Souls' first warp (first bridge, with the early war blade). Noob Bismuth was trying to go too fast and fell down before the bridge was there. A good 30 seconds to shave, at least. Port of Adia was EPIC though. 12:55.51. The worst mission was Death Marshes, lost something like 16 seconds to my 48-minute run.

Sadly, it's in two parts.
http://www.twitch.tv/bismuth9/b/319702056 part 1
http://www.twitch.tv/bismuth9/b/319702126 part 2

I also practiced the eye of truth primagen key 5 trick. Holy shit. I seem to get the damage boost right about 20% of the time, it's all a matter of timing. I find holding right a good idea as I tend to keep quite an important backwards speed, so it makes me stay on the path. If I jump too early though, the speed is too important and I just fall off. If I jump too early I collect the ultra health but don't quite make it. As for the invisible path part, I practiced that part alone and I got 100% consistent with it. I don't know how it will look like when I'll have a full single segment run pressure on my shoulders. Actually I'm thinking of saving my game there, and just loading if I fail. Save/load is allowed with RTA (real-time attack I think?) which is what I'm actually doing. So if I screw up and load back, the time I wasted screwing up is counted, of course. Not sure if it would still qualify for a single segment run though. Anyway, I'll get 100% consistent so why bother about saving and loading! Cheesy

http://www.twitch.tv/bismuth9/b/319703018

http://www.twitch.tv/Bismuth9 streaming atm, will probably edit this post with the result of this.

47:03.21! Mistakes: taking SO LONG to kill armored Purr-Lins in Death Marshes, falling down a bridge for 10-15 seconds, and dieing (lol) just after River of Souls' first warp (first bridge, with the early war blade). Noob Bismuth was trying to go too fast and fell down before the bridge was there. A good 30 seconds to shave, at least. Port of Adia was EPIC though. 12:55.51. The worst mission was Death Marshes, lost something like 16 seconds to my 48-minute run.

Sadly, it's in two parts.
http://www.twitch.tv/bismuth9/b/319702056 part 1
http://www.twitch.tv/bismuth9/b/319702126 part 2

I also practiced the eye of truth primagen key 5 trick. Holy shit. I seem to get the damage boost right about 20% of the time, it's all a matter of timing. I find holding right a good idea as I tend to keep quite an important backwards speed, so it makes me stay on the path. If I jump too early though, the speed is too important and I just fall off. If I jump too early I collect the ultra health but don't quite make it. As for the invisible path part, I practiced that part alone and I got 100% consistent with it. I don't know how it will look like when I'll have a full single segment run pressure on my shoulders. Actually I'm thinking of saving my game there, and just loading if I fail. Save/load is allowed with RTA (real-time attack I think?) which is what I'm actually doing. So if I screw up and load back, the time I wasted screwing up is counted, of course. Not sure if it would still qualify for a single segment run though. Anyway, I'll get 100% consistent so why bother about saving and loading! :D
http://www.twitch.tv/bismuth9/b/319703018

Veritate

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Veritate: 2012-05-29 11:23:08 am

Veritate: 2012-05-29 11:23:07 am

2012-05-29 11:22:27 am

I've happened to watch a few minutes of you practicing the Eye of Truth jump in the Hive before university today. Well, let me just say that it did look ugly, and don't take that personally.

For the sake of your sanity, I can tell you that I wouldn't reject your run if you left that thing out in a SS run... If you can't become too consistent in it. To me, reloading your save would definitely count as a segment… You'd use means there that only a segmented run would offer, and then you'd compete against Gigan's run. If there's a mistake in my logic, please tell me. That doesn't mean I wouldn't encourage you to at least try to master that part! Since the most recent Mario 64 120 star run I know there are superhuman video game skills. But what are you going to do in Primagen's Lightship? Just pray to God that luck will be on your side – twice – in one attempt?

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Long story cut short: Good luck and I'll be curious about your decision! ;-)

But very good work so far! I'm sure that by now you could do the first three missions in your sleep.

I've happened to watch a few minutes of you practicing the Eye of Truth jump in the Hive before university today. Well, let me just say that it did look ugly, and don't take that personally.

For the sake of your sanity, I can tell you that I wouldn't reject your run if you left that thing out in a SS run... If you can't become too consistent in it. To me, reloading your save would definitely count as a segment… You'd use means there that only a segmented run would offer, and then you'd compete against Gigan's run. If there's a mistake in my logic, please tell me. That doesn't mean I wouldn't encourage you to at least try to master that part! Since the most recent Mario 64 120 star run I know there are superhuman video game skills. But what are you going to do in Primagen's Lightship? Just pray to God that luck will be on your side – twice – in one attempt?

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Long story cut short: Good luck and I'll be curious about your decision! ;-)

But very good work so far! I'm sure that by now you could do the first three missions in your sleep.

Bismuth

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Bismuth: 2012-05-29 12:33:31 pm

2012-05-29 11:32:37 am

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Thanks, I guess I will try it in my run and use saving and loading to get it, until at some point I feel like I don't need the saving anymore. So what I'll do is this. I'll use saving and loading, if it's not counted as single segment, fair enough. I'll do runs like this, and at some point, some run will have a perfect P-key in hive, and I haven't watched it yet, but a good Primagen Lightship trick or something. I guess after some time I'll also drop the saving part when I feel like I'll be loading much less, and when having to load would also mean having lost enough time so it's not satisfactory anymore, therefore I should reset anyway.

The other thing I will do is practicing Hive of the Mantids alone, and by that I mean, running through the level and this level only. I will make another 3 first missions + P-key 1 run because I lost all my runs by entering the Lair instead, doesn't matter if it's sub-47 or not, and I will save at the very beginning of Hive of the Mantids. And then for some time instead of doing the 3 first missions, I'll be doing the Hive alone, time starts when my screen is blue when loading, time ends when my screen is blue after I beat the boss. When I feel comfortable enough with it I'll do first 4 for some time, but I'll probably get to learn the Lair faster than I took to get to the Hive after River of Souls.

Okay, I've been practicing the P-key early trick, and it seems like I can get it about 30% but for some reason, I can fail it 7, 8 times, and then get it right 4 times out of 5, and then I'm back to failing it over and over. Still not consistent, but working on it.

Thanks, I guess I will try it in my run and use saving and loading to get it, until at some point I feel like I don't need the saving anymore. So what I'll do is this. I'll use saving and loading, if it's not counted as single segment, fair enough. I'll do runs like this, and at some point, some run will have a perfect P-key in hive, and I haven't watched it yet, but a good Primagen Lightship trick or something. I guess after some time I'll also drop the saving part when I feel like I'll be loading much less, and when having to load would also mean having lost enough time so it's not satisfactory anymore, therefore I should reset anyway.

The other thing I will do is practicing Hive of the Mantids alone, and by that I mean, running through the level and this level only. I will make another 3 first missions + P-key 1 run because I lost all my runs by entering the Lair instead, doesn't matter if it's sub-47 or not, and I will save at the very beginning of Hive of the Mantids. And then for some time instead of doing the 3 first missions, I'll be doing the Hive alone, time starts when my screen is blue when loading, time ends when my screen is blue after I beat the boss. When I feel comfortable enough with it I'll do first 4 for some time, but I'll probably get to learn the Lair faster than I took to get to the Hive after River of Souls.

Okay, I've been practicing the P-key early trick, and it seems like I can get it about 30% but for some reason, I can fail it 7, 8 times, and then get it right 4 times out of 5, and then I'm back to failing it over and over. Still not consistent, but working on it.

giganotabehemoth87

2012-05-29 03:20:40 pm

I say if you're consistent at the trick (can get it in around 4 or 5 attempts) then go for it. I would look at it as a valiant effort because you could potentially lose all your lives here and it's game over. You'd still be saving a lot of time if you succeed even if you fail it several times. If you're not using any other deaths in the run then you'd have a full 9 lives here easily. However I'm with Veritate in that any saving and loading would be seen as a segmented run here on SDA, I'm petty sure of that.

Bismuth

2012-05-29 04:14:46 pm

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Yeah I'm pretty sure it would not be considered single segment, but like I said, most probably, at some point I will not do it with saving and loading. It's basically for sanity's sake! And I'll be deathwarping in the Hive so I guess I will have about 5 to 7 lives at that point.

Veritate

2012-05-29 11:38:36 pm

A possibility would be to actually go for the talisman in level 6 for the last Primagen key if the 'eye of truth' trick is too complicated there (as well?!) or you don't have enough lives left at that point. You'd lose some minutes then, but at least you'd have still saved even more by not having to backtrack through the Hive.

Squeebles

2012-05-30 02:12:26 am

I'd just like to add my 2 cents about single segmenting this game- The total cost between the skips of P-key 5 and P-key 6 is a little less than 20 minutes and trying the tricks could very easily kill your run(literally). In my opinion, if it doesn't save something like an hour you should probably be contented with the run without those two tricks. There's even a really effective death warp trick fort P-key 6 that farther reduces the cost of backtracking- Go through the starting portal to sector 2 and work your way to the giant wind tunnel, use the speed boost to jump across the chasm where the Razor Wind would normally be, then after hitting the switch 6 drop down to death warp. You'll start right on top of the first portal and can warp out to the main room where the P-key itself is. This actually costs somewhere between 2 and 3 minutes if I remember, so the advantage of doing the higher risk sequence break is even lower.

Bismuth

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Bismuth: 2012-05-30 02:22:15 pm

2012-05-30 02:19:39 pm

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Thanks for that info Squeebles, I might use that to get the 6th key. But I'm 90% sure I will still use the eye of truth skip for the 5th because it saves so much time. I mean, look at Super Mario 64, Siglemic single-segments the 70-star and goes for pillarless, a super hard trick 15 minutes into the run that saves 10 seconds, or ZFG who was trying to do wrong warp unbuffered to save a few seconds, too, and that is frame perfect twice in a row. I can go for a hard trick 1 hour and a half into the run that saves about 10 minutes.

Squeebles

2012-05-31 10:04:31 am

Understood, I wish you the best of luck getting it to cooperate during your run ^u^

Squeebles

2012-06-01 07:39:16 am

Oh yeah by the way Bismuth- After doing more practice of the game in my own time I've remembered two tips to help smooth out your Port of Adia run; First at the final distress beacon you got stuck by that orange dinosoid when you tried to hug the wall- First swing wide so the dino takes at least one good step away from the wall, then change direction to slide past him. Second tip is in the final child room with all the orange dinosoids followed by the two endtrails you need to kill before rescuing her- Kill the first 2 enemies with the green shells, then quickly diagonal run to hit the remaining two switches. If you mislead them correctly by changing directions you won't have to risk jumping over the chasms since the wood bridges are pretty wide. Now that you're in the alcove of the final switch and surrounded by 4 enemies switch to the red shells(you should have 9 by this point) and fire 1 of them into the crowd after the gate to the final room has lowered partially- The endtrails will hear that and come out after you. When the first one shows up fire the second red shell into whatever him and whatever other enemies are still alive from before then switch to green shells. Finish killing the 2 endtrails without leaving the switch alcove so that they never try to take cover then move on as usual. After the next portal there's a red shell pickup near the exit on a broken column thus leaving you with a full 10 red shells by the end of the level(so as not to mess up any ammo spawns you were counting on getting at the totem). I hope this info helps!

Oh yeah by the way Bismuth- After doing more practice of the game in my own time I've remembered two tips to help smooth out your Port of Adia run; First at the final distress beacon you got stuck by that orange dinosoid when you tried to hug the wall- First swing wide so the dino takes at least one good step away from the wall, then change direction to slide past him.  Second tip is in the final child room with all the orange dinosoids followed by the two endtrails you need to kill before rescuing her- Kill the first 2 enemies with the green shells, then quickly diagonal run to hit the remaining two switches.  If you mislead them correctly by changing directions you won't have to risk jumping over the chasms since the wood bridges are pretty wide.  Now that you're in the alcove of the final switch and surrounded by 4 enemies switch to the red shells(you should have 9 by this point) and fire 1 of them into the crowd after the gate to the final room has lowered partially- The endtrails will hear that and come out after you.  When the first one shows up fire the second red shell into whatever him and whatever other enemies are still alive from before then switch to green shells.  Finish killing the 2 endtrails without leaving the switch alcove so that they never try to take cover then move on as usual.  After the next portal there's a red shell pickup near the exit on a broken column thus leaving you with a full 10 red shells by the end of the level(so as not to mess up any ammo spawns you were counting on getting at the totem).  I hope this info helps!