Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)

Mr. Piggy

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Mr. Piggy: 2009-08-24 05:42:36 pm

2009-08-18 05:31:11 pm

In the infinite

Quote from UltimateDarius:

Quote from Mr. Piggy:

Sorry, I would look into it if I had my Wii......lol

I don't mean to be a dick, but what's the point in posting this?

I don't know, I was probably just really bored that day. Sorry.

EDIT: August 24, still don't have my WII Cry

yoshifan

2009-08-20 05:38:58 pm

I did a test playthrough to observe comet behaviors, and here's where I am now:

- Each dome can only have one comet available at a time. However, multiple domes can have a comet available simultaneously.
- To advance the comet cycles, you must complete a star. Segmenting (save-and-quit) has no effect, and simply entering and exiting a galaxy has no effect if you don't complete a star.
- Terrace comets appear every other star starting from 13 stars (when comets are unlocked). All other domes' comets appear every other star starting from 14 stars. (Miles' 3-hour run seems to agree with this too.)

What I haven't figured out is: when a dome has multiple possible comets (e.g. Good Egg and Honeyhive), which one appears at what times? This is all I've gathered from this situation:
- The comets don't take turns perfectly (it's not Good Egg, Honeyhive, Good Egg, Honeyhive repeating to infinity).
- The comets still take turns to an extent: I've never seen a particular comet appear more than twice in a row.

I don't even know if the comets would always behave the same way if you chose the same stars... that would be pretty important. I'll test this next.

I did a test playthrough to observe comet behaviors, and here's where I am now:

- Each dome can only have one comet available at a time.  However, multiple domes can have a comet available simultaneously.
- To advance the comet cycles, you must complete a star.  Segmenting (save-and-quit) has no effect, and simply entering and exiting a galaxy has no effect if you don't complete a star.
- Terrace comets appear every other star starting from 13 stars (when comets are unlocked).  All other domes' comets appear every other star starting from 14 stars. (Miles' 3-hour run seems to agree with this too.)

What I haven't figured out is: when a dome has multiple possible comets (e.g. Good Egg and Honeyhive), which one appears at what times?  This is all I've gathered from this situation:
  - The comets don't take turns perfectly (it's not Good Egg, Honeyhive, Good Egg, Honeyhive repeating to infinity).
  - The comets still take turns to an extent: I've never seen a particular comet appear more than twice in a row.

I don't even know if the comets would always behave the same way if you chose the same stars... that would be pretty important.  I'll test this next.

Mr. Piggy

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Mr. Piggy: 2009-08-27 06:29:31 pm

2009-08-27 04:05:59 pm

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Yay! I got my WII back today! Now I should be able to get back to work on this run.....unless I get distracted by the Metroid Prime trilogy Grin

EDIT: I've updated the route with segment 9, this segment scares me. Sad

yoshifan

2009-08-28 01:38:13 pm

Cool, good to hear. Good luck with your further planning and practicing (whether it's sooner or later). The Ghostly Galaxy tricks can be rough, but I think you wouldn't be expected to do the difficult Bouldergeist star chips skip as-is, in case you were wondering about that.

It's been a little while since my last update, but I think I'm done testing the situation where there's two possible comets in one dome. (This is only useful for a 61-star run, where you might want to skip some comets and not others.) I'll try to keep this concise.

- As mentioned before, in any given dome, only one comet can appear at a time, and comets only appear on every other star.
- The appearances of the two comets follow a certain pattern. For the Terrace and the Fountain, I've observed a repeating pattern that's 8 appearances long: it takes the form 1-2-1-2-1-1-2-2. As long as you're playing in a single session, you should continue along this comet pattern normally.
- If you quit the game and re-enter your file, you will not change your file's *current* state of comets. However, you may change the state of comets that appears *after completing one more star*. You will either (a) continue along the comet pattern normally, or (b) skip one step in the comet pattern.
- For segmented runs, one way to get (a) is to start the file, do 0, 2, or 4 stars, reset without saving, then start the file again to do a star. To get (b), start the file, do 1, 3, or 5 stars, reset without saving, then start the file again to do a star. I assume this can be extended to any even number and any odd number of stars.

I can attach a file with my test results to clarify/support what I'm talking about, if anyone's interested. Though the main point is, in a segmented 61-star run, I can reasonably control the comets to my liking as long as I'm careful with my restarts.

Next, I want to test star bit counts in each level (actually did much of this already) and time/test a few more stars for more route refinement, hopefully the last bit before starting the run.

Cool, good to hear.  Good luck with your further planning and practicing (whether it's sooner or later).  The Ghostly Galaxy tricks can be rough, but I think you wouldn't be expected to do the difficult Bouldergeist star chips skip as-is, in case you were wondering about that.

It's been a little while since my last update, but I think I'm done testing the situation where there's two possible comets in one dome.  (This is only useful for a 61-star run, where you might want to skip some comets and not others.)  I'll try to keep this concise.

- As mentioned before, in any given dome, only one comet can appear at a time, and comets only appear on every other star.
- The appearances of the two comets follow a certain pattern.  For the Terrace and the Fountain, I've observed a repeating pattern that's 8 appearances long: it takes the form 1-2-1-2-1-1-2-2.  As long as you're playing in a single session, you should continue along this comet pattern normally.
- If you quit the game and re-enter your file, you will not change your file's *current* state of comets.  However, you may change the state of comets that appears *after completing one more star*.  You will either (a) continue along the comet pattern normally, or (b) skip one step in the comet pattern.
- For segmented runs, one way to get (a) is to start the file, do 0, 2, or 4 stars, reset without saving, then start the file again to do a star.  To get (b), start the file, do 1, 3, or 5 stars, reset without saving, then start the file again to do a star.  I assume this can be extended to any even number and any odd number of stars.

I can attach a file with my test results to clarify/support what I'm talking about, if anyone's interested.  Though the main point is, in a segmented 61-star run, I can reasonably control the comets to my liking as long as I'm careful with my restarts.

Next, I want to test star bit counts in each level (actually did much of this already) and time/test a few more stars for more route refinement, hopefully the last bit before starting the run.

Mr. Piggy

2009-08-28 09:38:27 pm

In the infinite

Hey Yoshifan, does it take you back to the main area after 45 stars? If you don't know off the top of your head I'll look it up later.

UltimateDarius

2009-08-28 09:43:29 pm

Back in the game!

Quote from Mr. Piggy:

Hey Yoshifan, does it take you back to the main area after 45 stars? If you don't know off the top of your head I'll look it up later.

That's one thing I wanted to mention (it's kind of a "duh" thing, but still):

If you can correlate two events that bring you back to the main area to occur at the same time (first comet with first bowser, or whatever), then you should definitely do so!

Mr. Piggy

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Mr. Piggy: 2009-08-28 11:13:13 pm

2009-08-28 10:26:03 pm

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Quote from UltimateDarius:

Quote from Mr. Piggy:

Hey Yoshifan, does it take you back to the main area after 45 stars? If you don't know off the top of your head I'll look it up later.

That's one thing I wanted to mention (it's kind of a "duh" thing, but still):

If you can correlate two events that bring you back to the main area to occur at the same time (first comet with first bowser, or whatever), then you should definitely do so!

Yeah I'm pretty sure that was mentioned earlier, but thanks for the info anyway. I beat one of the bowser levels as my 45th star and it took me back to the main area for the bowser level (obviously) but I wasn't sure if it would have taken me back if I would've just completed a normal level as my 45th star...

yoshifan

2009-08-29 12:37:19 am

No, 45 stars isn't a special event. The only "number of stars" events where you get sent back to Rosalina are at 13 stars (comets), 60 stars (final Bowser), and 120 stars.

Mr. Piggy

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Mr. Piggy: 2009-08-30 07:38:12 pm

2009-08-29 07:44:55 am

In the infinite

Quote from yoshifan:

No, 45 stars isn't a special event. The only "number of stars" events where you get sent back to Rosalina are at 13 stars (comets), 60 stars (final Bowser), and 120 stars.

K thanks, the only reason I thought it might've been a special event was that the "countdown in the main area" to 60 stars started at 45 stars.

EDIT: I updated the route with segments 10-17, stars 38-61. These segments could easily change though, but for the moment I feel this is the best way to go. I might put the segments with freezeflame and dusty dune together, but I'm guessing I won't because I suck really bad at both of the galaxies, in fact, I'm not very good with any of the galaxies in the bedroom Tongue

yoshifan

2009-09-01 01:24:29 am

Good to see you're working on it. Yeah, actually, I wouldn't put the Freezeflame and Dusty Dune segments together. Given the number of stars (and the length of some of them), making an extra segment there should allow you to save more time than you'd lose from starting back at Rosalina. For the same reason, I'm almost certainly going to split up the Bedroom and Engine Room segments in my 61 star route.

Mr. Piggy

2009-09-01 06:49:52 am

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Yeah I timed it earlier and I can make it to the bedroom in about 10-12 seconds, so I'll probably leave freeezeflame and dustydune apart since I'll probably make more than 10 sec. of errors in dustydune if I leave them together.

yoshifan

2009-09-03 01:16:00 am

Well, I finally made a big update to my 61 star route, here: http://speeddemosarchive.com/forum/index.php/topic,7362.msg293452.html#msg293452

I've tried to look at all the different angles (star requirements for levels, star stage lengths, observatory travel times, star bit requirements, comet manipulations, feasibility of segments...), and I think this route seems pretty solid and stable, despite not having tested it yet. Still, feel free to ask questions (anyone). I'd explain all my route decisions right now, except that it could go on for a long while. Smiley

Next things I plan to do are (1) play through my route to double check, and (2) post a video quality test in Tech Support. If those go well, I think I'll finally be able to start the run.

Mr. Piggy

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Mr. Piggy: 2009-09-03 08:37:44 pm

2009-09-03 08:31:30 pm

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Looks pretty good to me yoshi; I'm adding segment 18 in now...I should've gotten a lot more done this week but I've been extremely busy this week with school and sports, but I should be able to get most of the route finished up this 4-day weekend (no school on Monday Wink

) Then I just need to play through the route and make sure everything's optimized and everything works, and I also still need to get a DVD recorder, & post a quality test to make sure everything's good. Then get started 8)

On another note...Do you have to talk to Luigi over by the toads to trigger his stars? & another question: Do you think I should add segments 17 and 18 together? I don't really think I should because I think I would save a lot more time perfecting that one level instead of adding it on the end and making small mistakes, but please tell me what you think. Once again if you don't know the answer to the first question off the top of your head, than it's not a big deal, I'll look it up later. Don't feel like you have to look it up for me.

Looks pretty good to me yoshi; I'm adding segment 18 in now...I should've gotten a lot more done this week but I've been extremely busy this week with school and sports, but I should be able to get most of the route finished up this 4-day weekend (no school on Monday ;) ) Then I just need to play through the route and make sure everything's optimized and everything works, and I also still need to get a DVD recorder, & post a quality test to make sure everything's good. Then get started 8)

On another note...Do you have to talk to Luigi over by the toads to trigger his stars? & another question: Do you think I should add segments 17 and 18 together? I don't really think I should because I think I would save a lot more time perfecting that one level instead of adding it on the end and making small mistakes, but please tell me what you think. Once again if you don't know the answer to the first question off the top of your head, than it's not a big deal, I'll look it up later. Don't feel like you have to look it up for me.

yoshifan

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yoshifan: 2009-09-04 06:38:53 pm

2009-09-04 06:08:25 pm

Yeah, looks like you know what to do before starting the run. Don't feel like you're being rushed to start, though. It never hurts to get more practice in first, anyway.

Quote from Mr. Piggy:

On another note...Do you have to talk to Luigi over by the toads to trigger his stars?

Yes, you have to talk to Luigi at the Garage to get him to send his first letter. Then if you complete one star, the first letter should arrive. After you complete the first Luigi star (in Good Egg), you must do 5 other stars before Luigi's second letter arrives. You don't have to talk to Luigi again, but you do have to go to the Mailtoad to pick up the letter. The third letter works the same way as the second.

Quote:

Do you think I should add segments 17 and 18 together? I don't really think I should because I think I would save a lot more time perfecting that one level instead of adding it on the end and making small mistakes, but please tell me what you think.

I wouldn't add them together - Galaxy Reactor has its fair share of cutscenes, and I think you even need to watch the ending before you can save. Going through all of it only to mess up later (say, in Honeyhive purple coins) can be very draining. Also, segmenting after Galaxy Reactor is a very natural segment point, because you get sent back to the title screen anyway.

Edit: About my 61 star route, I forgot to mention that I might move or switch some stars to balance out the segment difficulties. I just changed my route to move one of the Kitchen stars to a later Kitchen segment. Anyway, when I said the route looked stable, I meant the star choices and the general layout of the segments.

Yeah, looks like you know what to do before starting the run.  Don't feel like you're being rushed to start, though.  It never hurts to get more practice in first, anyway.

[quote="Mr. Piggy"]
On another note...Do you have to talk to Luigi over by the toads to trigger his stars?
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Yes, you have to talk to Luigi at the Garage to get him to send his first letter.  Then if you complete one star, the first letter should arrive.  After you complete the first Luigi star (in Good Egg), you must do 5 other stars before Luigi's second letter arrives.  You don't have to talk to Luigi again, but you do have to go to the Mailtoad to pick up the letter.  The third letter works the same way as the second.

[quote]Do you think I should add segments 17 and 18 together? I don't really think I should because I think I would save a lot more time perfecting that one level instead of adding it on the end and making small mistakes, but please tell me what you think.
[/quote]
I wouldn't add them together - Galaxy Reactor has its fair share of cutscenes, and I think you even need to watch the ending before you can save.  Going through all of it only to mess up later (say, in Honeyhive purple coins) can be very draining.  Also, segmenting after Galaxy Reactor is a very natural segment point, because you get sent back to the title screen anyway.

Edit: About my 61 star route, I forgot to mention that I might move or switch some stars to balance out the segment difficulties.  I just changed my route to move one of the Kitchen stars to a later Kitchen segment.  Anyway, when I said the route looked stable, I meant the star choices and the general layout of the segments.

Miles

2009-09-04 06:39:37 pm

...Well, I was bored today, so I did Matter Splatter Mansion in 1:01. I don't know if I used all of the known tricks, or if that's the best way around that wall, but this is the first full video for it as far as I know.

yoshifan

2009-09-04 06:46:22 pm

Your method to get around the wall (after the first long-jumped gap, right?) is actually the best I've seen yet. Smiley

I was using the flame instead, but I'm pretty sure your method is faster. The whole run was awesome as well.

Mr. Piggy

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Mr. Piggy: 2009-09-04 10:14:02 pm

2009-09-04 10:05:34 pm

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Quote:

Do you think I should add segments 17 and 18 together? I don't really think I should because I think I would save a lot more time perfecting that one level instead of adding it on the end and making small mistakes, but please tell me what you think.

Quote:

I wouldn't add them together - Galaxy Reactor has its fair share of cutscenes, and I think you even need to watch the ending before you can save. Going through all of it only to mess up later (say, in Honeyhive purple coins) can be very draining. Also, segmenting after Galaxy Reactor is a very natural segment point, because you get sent back to the title screen anyway.

Whoops, I meant segments 16 and 17, not 17 & 18.

And for some reason it won't let me watch the video Jiggpuff, it's just a ton of little weird symbols Tongue

downup2

2009-09-05 10:09:34 am

Finally got 120 stars and luigi

I have to complete the game once more right for all levels?

Mr. Piggy

2009-09-05 10:23:43 am

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Quote from downup2:

Finally got 120 stars and luigi

I have to complete the game once more right for all levels?

Well if you just got 120 stars with Mario and unlocked Luigi as a playable character, then yes. If you play through the whole game again with Luigi, (collecting all 120 stars again) then you unlock the Grand Finale Galaxy (I'm pretty sure that's what it's called but I can't remember) and you will be able to get your 121^st star.

Mr. Piggy

2009-09-05 05:44:28 pm

In the infinite

Ok well I made some really good progress today:

I bought a Sony DVD Recorder, but I haven't tried it out yet so hopefully it will work :P, and I got a pack of re-usable discs for it.

I edited my route quite a bit...I took out the trial galaxies so I can save them for later and I also took out 1 or 2 levels from each dome so I can use those for spacing for the comets so everything should work out pretty good. I added a few more segments to the route so now I'm on segment 22. Smiley

Mystery

2009-09-06 09:59:36 am

Oh no! Sony! You couldn't have made a worse choice...
Well, whatever. I look forward to seeing some (trial) runs before long Cheesy

Mr. Piggy

2009-09-06 11:27:56 am

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Someone recommended for me to buy a Magnavox, but the store I went to only had a Toshiba one and a Sony one, & I've always found Sony very reliable so I got the Sony one. They Sony one will put out good enough quality for this site won't it? I mean, it will still work right?

Mystery

2009-09-06 11:29:36 am

Yeah, it will (should?) work.
I'm the opposite. I think Sony products are crap.
But the important thing is that you have a DVD recorder. They produce excellent quality as compared to VHS.
Now, good luck with the run! Cheesy

Mr. Piggy

2009-09-06 11:45:26 am

In the infinite

Thanks

yoshifan

2009-09-06 02:17:09 pm

Quote from Mr. Piggy:

Whoops, I meant segments 16 and 17, not 17 & 18.

So, Galaxy Reactor and the segment before it, right? Well, I forgot what your route looked like before you changed it, but right now (with stars 55-60 in one segment) I say don't merge. The Gold Leaf stars are enough to worry about. Also, segmenting before Galaxy Reactor could actually cut a small part of a dialogue scene from the timing. I want to check this with someone who's more experienced with SDA run timing, though.

By the way, good to hear you got a DVD recorder. If you get a good quality test up, and the recorder doesn't give you problems, it should be fine. Also, nice edits to your route, I think it's definitely going in the right direction. Putting Lava Reactor as star 60 is what I would probably do too. I haven't checked your route for some smaller details yet, but it's probably better if you put in all 120 stars first, anyway.

Quote:

And for some reason it won't let me watch the video Jiggpuff, it's just a ton of little weird symbols Tongue

Hmm... I'm not sure if the problem is your browser or your video player, but have you watched an .mp4 video before?

[quote="Mr. Piggy"]
Whoops, I meant segments 16 and 17, not 17 & 18.
[/quote]
So, Galaxy Reactor and the segment before it, right?  Well, I forgot what your route looked like before you changed it, but right now (with stars 55-60 in one segment) I say don't merge.  The Gold Leaf stars are enough to worry about.  Also, segmenting before Galaxy Reactor could actually cut a small part of a dialogue scene from the timing.  I want to check this with someone who's more experienced with SDA run timing, though.

By the way, good to hear you got a DVD recorder.  If you get a good quality test up, and the recorder doesn't give you problems, it should be fine.  Also, nice edits to your route, I think it's definitely going in the right direction.  Putting Lava Reactor as star 60 is what I would probably do too.  I haven't checked your route for some smaller details yet, but it's probably better if you put in all 120 stars first, anyway.

[quote]
And for some reason it won't let me watch the video Jiggpuff, it's just a ton of little weird symbols :P
[/quote]
Hmm... I'm not sure if the problem is your browser or your video player, but have you watched an .mp4 video before?