Shovel Knight

Copilot

2014-08-02 03:26:28 pm

Ruling the cosmos!

Yes, thank you, sorry, I was on my phone at the time, so it just ended up being weird

Alx223

2014-08-02 05:49:34 pm

Quote from Copilot:

So, this is a bit early, we've got a couple weeks for this, but since the date is out, I might as well ask. Is anyone planning to submit this game for AGDQ? Not trying to push, make people feel like we should have this game there, but I'm just curious of if anyone plans to be doing that.

Oh I haven't been checking this top as much as I probably should. I plan on submitting a low% run for AGDQ, but I need to get my time a bit closer to CptBrian. I finally got a 59:10 last night and I know I can do better.

mystakin

2014-08-02 11:42:28 pm

Seems like New Game+ is kind of a stagnant category, but I thought I would share this.

Deathless, which I'm pretty happy with. There's still plenty of time to save by using the purple armor, I believe, but you run a much higher risk of dying -- primarily in Plague Knight's stage or Boss Rush. With a strong sub-50 time, I'm taking a break from NG+ to work on my any% time, but I'm confident this could be cut by 2 or 3 more minutes.

Chungking

2014-08-03 02:13:30 pm

Hey all! I just put out this call in the community section, but I wanted to make sure Shovel Knight runners saw it in particular, because we are especially looking for a SoCal-local who might like to do a live run at IndieCade 2014 while the Shovel Knight developers provide commentary: https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/indiecade_festival_2014_los_angeles_october.html

Thanks so much!

Kambing

Edit history:

Kambing: 2014-08-03 05:25:13 pm

2014-08-03 05:24:33 pm

Small highlight from me during today's SRL weekly race:

Quote from Alx223:

Quote from Copilot:

So, this is a bit early, we've got a couple weeks for this, but since the date is out, I might as well ask. Is anyone planning to submit this game for AGDQ? Not trying to push, make people feel like we should have this game there, but I'm just curious of if anyone plans to be doing that.

Oh I haven't been checking this top as much as I probably should. I plan on submitting a low% run for AGDQ, but I need to get my time a bit closer to CptBrian. I finally got a 59:10 last night and I know I can do better.

I was also considering submitting an any% run for AGDQ. Still in the polishing phase right now...

CptBrian

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2014-08-05 02:45:01 pm

Relax

This is bad speedgame in its current state. There's too much run-destroying RNG scattered across the entire run. In fact, in my 333+ resets, I don't think I've had a single run without really bad RNG somewhere, whether it be with Specter, the map, etc.. (a little salty)
Best of luck to those who wish to continue running it. I know I'm not.
Maybe if the new boss campaigns are tolerable or if YCG does something about the map RNG like they said they might.

Kambing

2014-08-05 07:11:13 pm

Quote from CptBrian:

This is bad speedgame in its current state. There's too much run-destroying RNG scattered across the entire run. In fact, in my 333+ resets, I don't think I've had a single run without really bad RNG somewhere, whether it be with Specter, the map, etc.. (a little salty)
Best of luck to those who wish to continue running it. I know I'm not.
Maybe if the new boss campaigns are tolerable or if YCG does something about the map RNG like they said they might.

Specter Knight doesn't bug me too much (although I haven't seen a good set of teleports in a few weeks now, sigh). The map RNG is pretty brutal, unfortunately. I think the standard any% route does a good job of mitigating the map spawns for the first two sets of stages. However, the third set is absolutely brutal. You will at least get BK 2 if not Phantom Striker as well. And unlike BK 2 and the knight stages, Phantom Striker takes a long amount of time sit through his dialog, kill him, and then exit the level.

[quote="CptBrian"]This is bad [i]speedgame[/i] in its current state. There's too much run-destroying RNG scattered across the entire run. In fact, in my 333+ resets, I don't think I've had a single run without really bad RNG somewhere, whether it be with Specter, the map, etc.. [i](a little salty)[/i]
Best of luck to those who wish to continue running it. I know I'm not.
Maybe if the new boss campaigns are tolerable or if YCG does something about the map RNG like they said they might.[/quote]

Specter Knight doesn't bug me too much (although I haven't seen a good set of teleports in a few weeks now, sigh).  The map RNG is pretty brutal, unfortunately.  I think the standard any% route does a good job of mitigating the map spawns for the first two sets of stages.  However, the third set is absolutely brutal.  You will at least get BK 2 if not Phantom Striker as well.  And unlike BK 2 and the knight stages, Phantom Striker takes a long amount of time sit through his dialog, kill him, and then exit the level.

TaiwanNinja

2014-08-07 11:10:54 pm

Was watching my good buddy run Shovel Knight and decided to try NG+. Got hooked on plains and decided to optimize it.

HalfSpaffed

2014-08-08 08:06:54 am

Quote from Kambing:

Quote from CptBrian:

This is bad speedgame in its current state. There's too much run-destroying RNG scattered across the entire run. In fact, in my 333+ resets, I don't think I've had a single run without really bad RNG somewhere, whether it be with Specter, the map, etc.. (a little salty)
Best of luck to those who wish to continue running it. I know I'm not.
Maybe if the new boss campaigns are tolerable or if YCG does something about the map RNG like they said they might.

Specter Knight doesn't bug me too much (although I haven't seen a good set of teleports in a few weeks now, sigh). The map RNG is pretty brutal, unfortunately. I think the standard any% route does a good job of mitigating the map spawns for the first two sets of stages. However, the third set is absolutely brutal. You will at least get BK 2 if not Phantom Striker as well. And unlike BK 2 and the knight stages, Phantom Striker takes a long amount of time sit through his dialog, kill him, and then exit the level.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't you skip text with start and skip the fight entirely by quitting to title and coming back?

[quote="Kambing"][quote="CptBrian"]This is bad [i]speedgame[/i] in its current state. There's too much run-destroying RNG scattered across the entire run. In fact, in my 333+ resets, I don't think I've had a single run without really bad RNG somewhere, whether it be with Specter, the map, etc.. [i](a little salty)[/i]
Best of luck to those who wish to continue running it. I know I'm not.
Maybe if the new boss campaigns are tolerable or if YCG does something about the map RNG like they said they might.[/quote]

Specter Knight doesn't bug me too much (although I haven't seen a good set of teleports in a few weeks now, sigh).  The map RNG is pretty brutal, unfortunately.  I think the standard any% route does a good job of mitigating the map spawns for the first two sets of stages.  However, the third set is absolutely brutal.  You will at least get BK 2 if not Phantom Striker as well.  And unlike BK 2 and the knight stages, Phantom Striker takes a long amount of time sit through his dialog, kill him, and then exit the level.[/quote]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't you skip text with start and skip the fight entirely by quitting to title and coming back?

Kambing

2014-08-08 08:38:47 am

Quote from HalfSpaffed:

Quote from Kambing:

Quote from CptBrian:

This is bad speedgame in its current state. There's too much run-destroying RNG scattered across the entire run. In fact, in my 333+ resets, I don't think I've had a single run without really bad RNG somewhere, whether it be with Specter, the map, etc.. (a little salty)
Best of luck to those who wish to continue running it. I know I'm not.
Maybe if the new boss campaigns are tolerable or if YCG does something about the map RNG like they said they might.

Specter Knight doesn't bug me too much (although I haven't seen a good set of teleports in a few weeks now, sigh). The map RNG is pretty brutal, unfortunately. I think the standard any% route does a good job of mitigating the map spawns for the first two sets of stages. However, the third set is absolutely brutal. You will at least get BK 2 if not Phantom Striker as well. And unlike BK 2 and the knight stages, Phantom Striker takes a long amount of time sit through his dialog, kill him, and then exit the level.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't you skip text with start and skip the fight entirely by quitting to title and coming back?

You still lose a significant amount of time, and there is a probability that the encounter will move in such a way that they still block you. My worst instance of this was Phantom Striker body blocking me 3 squares en route to Tower.

As points of data:

* BK2 is approx. 40-45s of delay from entry to until you can move again on the map screen if you try to kill him. For me at least, Phantom striker is significantly longer because of his invulnerability phase.

* BK2 has approx. 10s of unskippable bits from entry until you can access the menus. Phantom Striker has appox. 11s of unskippable bits.

* Accessing the menu access, re-entering the game, and then regaining control on the map screen takes approx. 12-13s.

Here's an example of a menu skip for Phantom Striker that takes ~25s from entry to regaining control on the map screen (42:10 in the video):

With these times in mind, you could try to menu skip BK2 or Phantom Striker at least twice (more if you're bad like me and only have to worry about Striker) and still save time over killing them. However, because of the layout of that third part of the map (figure eight with the stages as dead-end lanes off of the figure eight), it's likely that if you leave both of them up that you'll run into them multiple times.

[quote="HalfSpaffed"][quote="Kambing"][quote="CptBrian"]This is bad [i]speedgame[/i] in its current state. There's too much run-destroying RNG scattered across the entire run. In fact, in my 333+ resets, I don't think I've had a single run without really bad RNG somewhere, whether it be with Specter, the map, etc.. [i](a little salty)[/i]
Best of luck to those who wish to continue running it. I know I'm not.
Maybe if the new boss campaigns are tolerable or if YCG does something about the map RNG like they said they might.[/quote]

Specter Knight doesn't bug me too much (although I haven't seen a good set of teleports in a few weeks now, sigh).  The map RNG is pretty brutal, unfortunately.  I think the standard any% route does a good job of mitigating the map spawns for the first two sets of stages.  However, the third set is absolutely brutal.  You will at least get BK 2 if not Phantom Striker as well.  And unlike BK 2 and the knight stages, Phantom Striker takes a long amount of time sit through his dialog, kill him, and then exit the level.[/quote]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't you skip text with start and skip the fight entirely by quitting to title and coming back?[/quote]

You still lose a significant amount of time, and there is a probability that the encounter will move in such a way that they still block you.  My worst instance of this was Phantom Striker body blocking me 3 squares en route to Tower.

As points of data:

* BK2 is approx. 40-45s of delay from entry to until you can move again on the map screen if you try to kill him.  For me at least, Phantom striker is significantly longer because of his invulnerability phase.

* BK2 has approx. 10s of unskippable bits from entry until you can access the menus.  Phantom Striker has appox. 11s of unskippable bits.

* Accessing the menu access, re-entering the game, and then regaining control on the map screen takes approx. 12-13s.

Here's an example of a menu skip for Phantom Striker that takes ~25s from entry to regaining control on the map screen (42:10 in the video):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPBz8_dRTB8?t=42m10s

With these times in mind, you could try to menu skip BK2 or Phantom Striker at least twice (more if you're bad like me and only have to worry about Striker) and still save time over killing them.  However, because of the layout of that third part of the map (figure eight with the stages as dead-end lanes off of the figure eight), it's likely that if you leave both of them up that you'll run into them multiple times.

Emperor_Nero

2014-08-10 05:27:05 pm

It's been a few weeks since I've visited this thread, but it seems like there really hasn't been too many advances since then. Very surprising.

CptBrian

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CptBrian: 2014-08-12 05:52:49 pm

2014-08-12 05:52:18 pm

Relax

Quote from Emperor_Nero:

It's been a few weeks since I've visited this thread, but it seems like there really hasn't been too many advances since then. Very surprising.

The devs did a great job at preventing glitches. I'll be surprised if any serious glitches ever show up for this game.

Timo

2014-08-14 06:02:01 pm

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hello, anything new? I only got swag

Copilot

2014-08-14 10:58:11 pm

Ruling the cosmos!

That swag is amazing

Maxiethehatter

2014-08-23 06:55:03 am

Hello!
I just started running this game (down to 1:24:29 RTA so far).
Quick question, I noticed Drake doing specter -> king in the beginning while I've been doing king -> specter. Is this due to preference or is it an actual timesave?

Copilot

2014-08-23 01:49:14 pm

Ruling the cosmos!

It depends on your route. In CapnDrake's route, he gets the Phase Locket and the Flare Wand in the village instead of in the levels. If you're doing that, then you move less and work around RNG if you do Specter first, but otherwise, getting the Flare Wand in the stage saves time in Specter Knight's stage. His route only saves seconds at most, so I wouldn't recommend doing it unless you are going for a world record in this game.

TaiwanNinja

2014-09-06 12:07:11 am

Got a 47:06 in NG+. Really messed up Tower 1, but other than that a super insane run. Cheesy

Copilot

2014-09-06 12:09:14 am

Ruling the cosmos!

I forgot that people actually run NG+. Huh.

BustahWuff

2014-09-22 12:00:36 am

R U OK

Here's a consistent quick kill for Specter, assuming he teleports to left side at beginning of fight.

http://www.twitch.tv/bustahwuff/c/5164394

Copilot

2014-09-22 04:58:05 pm

Ruling the cosmos!

RIP if RNG, but that's a sick fight

BustahWuff

2014-09-26 10:28:30 pm

R U OK

Making a tutorial for low% for any new runners out there in the world

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxYZQjVidKazVcTj2fvaL_9ixK9lVxkAP

BustahWuff

2014-10-01 07:45:26 pm

R U OK

Hi guys http://www.twitch.tv/bustahwuff/c/5219234

Copilot

2014-10-01 08:32:54 pm

Ruling the cosmos!

Hooooly shit Bustah, I'll be watchin' that later, but that's damn impressive. Thanks for believing that this game wasn't gonna just die

Copilot

2014-10-01 08:33:40 pm

Ruling the cosmos!

Also, if you're planning to go to AGDQ, it'd be crazy sick if you could arrange for you and Drake to race this

BustahWuff

2014-10-01 09:20:30 pm

R U OK

I can't make it to AGDQ but I am going to try my best to make it to SGDQ. I am starting a new job next week and I know they wont give me a week off so soon. But yeah, I love this game and I want to show it to anyone willing to watch. I'm so happy I made that time, you guys have no idea haha.