Rayman 2: The Great Escape

2014-12-23 08:08:14 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

I found a cool 100% timesaver in Top of the World. You know how you always have to wait for the moving platform when you're carrying the barrel? Well, I found that if you go around the room collecting the lums in a certain way, you can time it so that you get to the platform right before it leaves. This saves about four seconds.

ThatGermanGuitarDude

2014-12-27 09:43:20 am

I try to go fast

I have a hard time believing that noone but me has ever realized this. But since I always saw people doing it differently I figured I'd make a video Cheesy

Saves 2 seconds.

ThatGermanGuitarDude

2014-12-27 09:55:22 am

I try to go fast

I just saw that video on The Top of the World. Is that the same cycle you'd make if you just stood there and waited for the pad? Because if it is then it would be faster for Any% as well, wouldn't it? And you would be able to get additional lums ontop. Anyway cool find Smiley

Manocheese

2014-12-27 01:36:52 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

It's one cycle after that, so it would be slower in any%.

ThatGermanGuitarDude

2014-12-27 01:51:31 pm

I try to go fast

Yeah, I figured it would be. Would have been cool though.

KirbyComment

2014-12-28 04:40:58 am

Quote from ThatGermanGuitarDude:

I have a hard time believing that noone but me has ever realized this. But since I always saw people doing it differently I figured I'd make a video Cheesy

Saves 2 seconds.

I found this out a month or two ago when I was messing around. I just didn't think to mention it to anyone because of how obvious it was Tongue

ThatGermanGuitarDude

2014-12-28 05:47:43 pm

I try to go fast

I've been using that for forever as well, lol. As I said, I didn't think that could be new, really.

Frozen_frog

2014-12-31 10:51:23 am

I've found a new way to clip, you need one plum and you need to be carrying something (I use plums for that aswell)

Unfortunately I can only think of two places where you can do that.

Echoing Caves: http://www.twitch.tv/frozen_frog/c/5785160 (very long video, I get 2 separate clips and walk underwater)
Sanctuary of Stone and Fire: http://www.twitch.tv/frozen_frog/c/5785171

Sobinist

2014-12-31 02:13:43 pm

Swim out of bounds in Fairy Glade 1:

Apparently this is not very well-known, but there's a secret key combination that you can use to gain a maximum size healthbar and refill your oxygen bar:

Manocheese

2014-12-31 05:22:23 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

Quote from Sobinist:

Swim out of bounds in Fairy Glade 1:

Nice! I know some areas are linked on PC that aren't linked on N64, so maybe this could be used to swim to the Echoing Caves loading zone. Can a PC player test it out?

Sobinist

2014-12-31 07:09:18 pm

Unfortunately there's a loading screen between the two levels, both on N64 and PC. (this was done on PC btw, I haven't successfully clipped on (emulated) N64 yet)

ThatGermanGuitarDude

2015-01-01 09:03:16 am

I try to go fast

Hello and a happy new year to everyone Smiley

So Sobinist found that really nice easter-egg that gives us (basically infinite) health and air, so it saves time in Whale Bay and it makes the Orb-Skip less of an issue, since you can't die on it anymore.

However I'll have to open a can of worms because of that.
You can trigger the easter-egg during the opening cutscene, and it also fills your health-bar. So technically that is an input.
Would that mean that timing should start from pressing new game now? :/

I personally think that, given how small the R2 community is, we could just agree to not use the trick during the opening cutscene, given that it doesn't provide any advantage in earlier levels. So that we could still start the timer at -3:11. I think it would be really annoying and confusing if we started to time the game differently now.

What do you guys think? Should we be so strict to call it an input and start timing from new game? Or should we stick to the "tradition" of SDA-timing, so -3:11 from pressing new game?

Hello and a happy new year to everyone :)

So Sobinist found that really nice easter-egg that gives us (basically infinite) health and air, so it saves time in Whale Bay and it makes the Orb-Skip less of an issue, since you can't die on it anymore.

However I'll have to open a can of worms because of that.
You can trigger the easter-egg during the opening cutscene, and it also fills your health-bar. So technically that is an input. 
Would that mean that timing should start from pressing new game now? :/

I personally think that, given how small the R2 community is, we could just agree to not use the trick during the opening cutscene, given that it doesn't provide any advantage in earlier levels. So that we could still start the timer at -3:11. I think it would be really annoying and confusing if we started to time the game differently now.

What do you guys think? Should we be so strict to call it an input and start timing from new game? Or should we stick to the "tradition" of SDA-timing, so -3:11 from pressing new game?

Manocheese

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Manocheese: 2015-01-01 10:28:51 am

Manocheese: 2015-01-01 10:28:25 am

2015-01-01 10:26:36 am

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

I don't think it should change the way timing is done. As you said, it has no real effect if it's done in the opening cutscene; it's pretty much impossible to run out of health in the first few levels of the run. And if it can be done in cutscenes, you could just do it in the cutscene after the sliding section to get the exact same effect. Plus, there are already inputs (changing the resolution and language) that we don't time.

Can it be done on N64? I'm not sure what the equivalent of the J key would be.

CloakedYoshi

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CloakedYoshi: 2015-01-01 11:43:11 am

2015-01-01 11:42:58 am

Daily Speedrun Streamer

The R button for n64

Manocheese

2015-01-01 11:52:49 am

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

Awesome. I wonder how many other easter eggs there are.

ThatGermanGuitarDude

2015-01-01 06:07:34 pm

I try to go fast

Yeah, I totally agree with what Mano said. And yes it's the R button. It saves some amount of time in Whale Bay, since you can pretty much just swim in a straight line. It also makes it "impossible" game over while going for orb-skip.

gammadragon

2015-01-01 07:09:39 pm

Might be magic...

The "secret key combination" looks like a cheat left in the game by the developers. I'm guessing that a speedrun wouldn't be submittable to SDA if it uses this cheat - check with the admins for an authoritative answer.

Manocheese

2015-01-01 07:11:32 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

Yeah, I was thinking about that. I'll ask.

Frozen_frog

2015-01-02 11:31:04 am

So today Sobinist found a wronggrab with which you can skip a big part of the Caves of Bad Dreams, but I caught it on camera (excuse me for the bad quality, I'm at the wrong computer):

You can also get into the tunnel: http://i.imgur.com/KRIiQgC.png

Unreal704

2015-01-02 01:32:56 pm

Also known as Bottles/Sydynski

So I did some testing and it seems PC runs are just about as fast as N64 runs. N64 runs may still be a bit faster cause of Echoing Caves skip but the new Orb skip for Cave of Bad Dreams saves close to 3 minutes if done quickly. Echoing Caves skip saves 2 minutes and the Water and Ice orb skip which is only feasible in an n64 run saves close to a minute. We should also note that you can skip the Bayou opening cutscene on pc which saves a little under a minute (57 seconds).

So in theory with near perfect execution of the new orb skip for PC, n64 runs will only be faster by 10 seconds? But another thing to look at is the load times for PC and since there is no lag on PC, speed runs on the PC version may be faster than N64. I'm just speculating here, let me know what you guys think.

Btw, I could not get that orb skip to work on n64. :/

Manocheese

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Manocheese: 2015-01-02 05:36:18 pm

2015-01-02 05:35:23 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

Quote from Frozen_frog:

So today Sobinist found a wronggrab with which you can skip a big part of the Caves of Bad Dreams, but I caught it on camera (excuse me for the bad quality, I'm at the wrong computer):

Nice! I'll have to try that on N64. I'm not optimistic, though; these wrong grab tricks seem to work better on PC. No one could get the one in Sanctuary of Stone and Fire to work on N64.

As far as N64 vs. PC goes, I still think there are enough differences between them that they should be separate categories.

ThatGermanGuitarDude

2015-01-03 05:11:55 am

I try to go fast

I would prefer to still run on N64, given that I think I'd dislike the controls on PC. And also in terms of differences I would agree that the ports should be seperated. However, given how small the community is it would probably best if everyone just ran the fastest version (PS1 version aside)...

Frozen_frog

2015-01-04 08:00:10 am

So today sobinist and I found how to do the echoing caves doorskip, with the help of a plum clip and an extended water plane.

We will upload how to clip there soon, it is risky to do though.

Manocheese

2015-01-04 10:28:12 am

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

Cool! Hopefully that will make the skip easier for PC players.

Sobinist

2015-01-05 06:59:24 am

Here is the full echoing caves door skip, but using a different method to swim above water:

http://www.twitch.tv/sobinist/c/5814694