Pokemon Emerald speedrun :-)

DTaeKim

2006-07-10 09:58:18 pm

Blows my time out of the water.

Galactic

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Galactic: 2006-07-11 01:01:37 pm

2006-07-11 01:01:20 pm

I'm planning on playing through Emerald soon, so I'll see if I can come up with any good strategies.

In terms of Starters, for a Run like this, I would be tempted to go for Mudkip, due to his advantages against Roxanne, Wattson, Flannery and Liza/Tate.

Gob_Bluth

2006-09-24 01:49:49 am

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Rayquaza now: Outrage/Fly/Dragon Claw/Crunch

This was the Rayquaza moveset you had when you got to the credits, right?

What moveset did your Blaziken have when you got to the credits?

ForteGS

2006-09-24 09:34:32 am

Bring me the flaming voodoo canonball!

coudlnt you do the New Mauvillie sidequest and give Rayquaza Thunderbolt.

Enigma

2006-09-24 12:21:29 pm

Waste of time. Rayquaza already owns enough as is.

No1 Inparticular

2006-09-24 06:26:17 pm

Before this post hits the second page,who is working on this run,and is it low%?

Gob_Bluth

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Gob_Bluth: 2006-09-28 10:00:14 pm

2006-09-25 06:47:40 am

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Before this post hits the second page,who is working on this run,and is it low%?

I think only fluffyflyingpig is working on the run and it is definitely a low% run (objective is to get to credits as soon as possible).

But the forums haven't heard from fluffyflyingpig in a month or so, so I do not know if he is still doing a run.

If anyone has attempted this speedrun with Torchic, what strategy do you use to beat Wattson?

I can't get by him! Here's my Combusken:

Lv24
Double Kick
Peck
Bulk Up
Ember

fluffyflyingpig

2006-11-13 12:18:43 am

Sorry, I kinda got distracted. I'll complete this once I get back home from college for winter break this December. I didn't have time to record this before I left for college.

This would be a fastest completion/credit roll time, low pokedex completion wouldn't be interesting and anything else would take too long.

Blazekin ended with Double Kick/Bulk Up/Overheat/Strength.

The trick to Watson... ah it wouldn't be at trick if I told you, now would it? I hinted at it earlier. Without the trick, its a crapshoot though.

Miles

2006-11-13 02:08:28 am

What time are you expecting for this run? I tried speedrunning this game with Mudkip last summer, and I ended up with a time of 2:52:00... If you're expecting a slower time it might be worth it to use Mudkip instead.

No1 Inparticular

2006-11-13 02:17:44 am

As long as the run gets done,than thats all I care about.Why don't you record a run as Mudkip,Jigpuff?I mean...Don't expect someone to change a run after they can't get that much time to record it anyway.It would take longer to hit the site that way.Also,fluffyflyingpig,what is YOUR goal time for the run you have planned out?I'm interested to see a run done as Torchic as a beginner!Mudkip would be nice,but don't change you entire run b/c of what one person said.

fluffyflyingpig

2006-11-13 02:25:49 am

Did you do that on Emerald or Ruby/Sapphire? I'm looking at around 3 hours, I think. I had another, faster, run that I failed to report. It's been a LONG time since I looked at this run, though.

Why did you choose Mudkip anyway? I seem to remember Torchick being better. How did you get past the second rival battle? And how do you get around the fact that Mudkip doesn't get Bulk Up?

DTaeKim

2006-11-13 02:33:24 am

In R/S, it's easy to get under 3 hours. Mudkip can get past the 2nd rival battle by abusing Bide and using Super Potions, which is inefficient compared to Torchic just forcing its way through.

The real roadblock in R/S is Norman. You can either grab Toxic and hide with Dig, or you can evolve and use Muddy Water.

Miles

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Miles: 2006-11-13 02:43:50 am

2006-11-13 02:38:32 am

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Did you do that on Emerald or Ruby/Sapphire? I'm looking at around 3 hours, I think. I had another, faster, run that I failed to report. It's been a LONG time since I looked at this run, though.

Emerald.

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Why did you choose Mudkip anyway? I seem to remember Torchick being better.

Because I read this topic and saw that you were using Torchic, and I wanted to test using Mudkip instead.

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And how do you get around the fact that Mudkip doesn't get Bulk Up?

X Attacks and X Speeds. Lots of them.

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How did you get past the second rival battle?

IIRC, I used 1 or 2 X Attacks and 1 X speed on the first pokemon, barely survived Absorb, use Mud Shot to lower Grovyle's speed enough to outrun it the second attack, and use Mud Shot again for a 2HKO. Yeah, it was long, but it worked...

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The real roadblock in R/S is Norman. You can either grab Toxic and hide with Dig, or you can evolve and use Muddy Water.

Evolving is out of the question, as Marshtomp will be about level 30 by then. And Norman was insanely hard... I just used Swagger and hoped to get lucky, as Toxic was too far out of the way, IIRC. There's probably a much better strategy than that. :\

[quote]Did you do that on Emerald or Ruby/Sapphire?  I'm looking at around 3 hours, I think.  I had another, faster, run that I failed to report.  It's been a LONG time since I looked at this run, though. [/quote]
Emerald.
[quote]Why did you choose Mudkip anyway?  I seem to remember Torchick being better.[/quote]
Because I read this topic and saw that you were using Torchic, and I wanted to test using Mudkip instead.
[quote]And how do you get around the fact that Mudkip doesn't get Bulk Up?[/quote]
X Attacks and X Speeds.  Lots of them.
[quote]How did you get past the second rival battle?  [/quote]
IIRC, I used 1 or 2 X Attacks and 1 X speed on the first pokemon, barely survived Absorb, use Mud Shot to lower Grovyle's speed enough to outrun it the second attack, and use Mud Shot again for a 2HKO.  Yeah, it was long, but it worked...

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[quote]The real roadblock in R/S is Norman.  You can either grab Toxic and hide with Dig, or you can evolve and use Muddy Water. [/quote]
Evolving is out of the question, as Marshtomp will be about level 30 by then.  And Norman was insanely hard...  I just used Swagger and hoped to get lucky, as Toxic was too far out of the way, IIRC.  There's probably a much better strategy than that. :\

No1 Inparticular

2006-11-13 02:57:03 am

So...If you CAN get it to work at all,than why don't you try a run Jigpuff as mudkip?2:52:00 is a good time as any beginner!If possible,in the future,try doing this,and if your lucky,you could get your own catagory.That would be cool!

DTaeKim

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DTaeKim: 2006-11-13 03:03:05 am

2006-11-13 03:02:33 am

I'm not sure it would warrant a different category. Why go with Mudkip is Torchic is faster to begin with?

EDIT: Misread that. Torchic may not be faster in Emerald, but I doubt two categories will result from different starters.

Gob_Bluth

2006-11-13 08:26:02 am

Wow, I haven't been on the SDA forums in a while (once in a while I check the General Chat).

It's good to see fluffyflyingpig back on the forums.

fluffyflyingpig, if you're still having difficulty recording your run, you could record an emulated run at Tasvideos.org.
I remember you mentioned you set all your best times on an emulator (I think).

Jigpuff, as far as I can tell, you may have the fastest time for Pokemon Emerald, so it would be awesome if you recorded your run and submitted it to this site.

As for me, I can't even get by Wattson and fluffyflyingpig won't even tell me the trick to get by him. Was the trick using the X-Special by any chance?
I would do a run but speedrunning is tough for a noob like me. Smiley

fluffyflyingpig

2006-11-13 08:47:07 am

My times were all set on a gba, but not recorded. I think I'm going to do an emulated run now to see what sort of improvement is possible--as I said, its been a long time.

Yeah, I seem to vaguely remember Norman and the rival being a pain with Mudkip. I think I thought about relying on Swagger but decided it was too luck/segment dependant and felt wrong. More power to you if you choose to run this and use that method.

Where does Mudkip gain time on Torchick? The way I recall things:

Mudkip: Faster for the first gym and the 7th gym. Torchick must evolve for the first gym and get the super rod and catch 2 Sharpedo for the 7th gym.

Torchick: Faster Norman battle and rival fight. Mudkip must use items/luck to get past both battles.

Everything else battlewise should be a push or favor Torchick, I think, since Torchick doesnt need to use any stat-boosting items since it has Bulk Up. (I take that back, it needs one X Speed for Wattson, followed by Bulk Up. Which is your answer Gob. ;D) Plus Torchick is faster and can kill everything with one attack and therefore takes no damage.

Eh, time to test things on the emulator.

My times were all set on a gba, but not recorded.  I think I'm going to do an emulated run now to see what sort of improvement is possible--as I said, its been a long time.

Yeah, I seem to vaguely remember Norman and the rival being a pain with Mudkip.  I think I thought about relying on Swagger but decided it was too luck/segment dependant and felt wrong.  More power to you if you choose to run this and use that method.

Where does Mudkip gain time on Torchick?  The way I recall things:

Mudkip: Faster for the first gym and the 7th gym.  Torchick must evolve for the first gym and get the super rod and catch 2 Sharpedo for the 7th gym.

Torchick: Faster Norman battle and rival fight.  Mudkip must use items/luck to get past both battles.

Everything else battlewise should be a push or favor Torchick, I think, since Torchick doesnt need to use any stat-boosting items since it has Bulk Up.  (I take that back, it needs one X Speed for Wattson, followed by Bulk Up.  Which is your answer Gob.  ;D)  Plus Torchick is faster and can kill everything with one attack and therefore takes no damage.

Eh, time to test things on the emulator.

ForteGS

2006-11-13 06:51:47 pm

Bring me the flaming voodoo canonball!

Mudkip/Marshtop is also good against Watson (being immune to electric attacks).

usefull maps:
http://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/GBA/index.htm#PokemonE

that way you can plan the fastest route in the magma base and other possible places.

Hope this helps ;-)

Gob_Bluth

2006-11-13 11:45:08 pm

Fluff, don't worry about the emulator. I only mentioned it because that's where I thought you were doing your runs on.

When and where did you get an X Speed?

I was following your walkthrough and it never mentioned picking up an X Speed. It did, however, mention picking up an X Special after defeating Wattson.

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Watson... save and pray. =(
Rock Smash for Marill, head north avoiding the evil rotating trainers, through the Fiery Pass to Fallarbor. Buy 13 Super Repels, 2 escape ropes, and 1 X Special. Super Potions with the rest.

Miles

2006-11-14 02:26:37 am

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Jigpuff, as far as I can tell, you may have the fastest time for Pokemon Emerald, so it would be awesome if you recorded your run and submitted it to this site.

The only way I could record a run is with a Capture Card, and it only captures in 352x240... I don't know if I could get good enough quality to submit it.

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Yeah, I seem to vaguely remember Norman and the rival being a pain with Mudkip. I think I thought about relying on Swagger but decided it was too luck/segment dependant and felt wrong. More power to you if you choose to run this and use that method.

I'm going to do a test run of this soon; I'll probably see if it's worth getting Toxic for Slaking.

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Where does Mudkip gain time on Torchick? The way I recall things:

Mudkip: Faster for the first gym and the 7th gym. Torchick must evolve for the first gym and get the super rod and catch 2 Sharpedo for the 7th gym.

Torchick: Faster Norman battle and rival fight. Mudkip must use items/luck to get past both battles.

Everything else battlewise should be a push or favor Torchick,

You don't need to catch a HM slave for Surf. Also, I don't really think that Torchic outweighs Mudkip that much for everything else (if at all).

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I think, since Torchick doesnt need to use any stat-boosting items since it has Bulk Up. (I take that back, it needs one X Speed for Wattson, followed by Bulk Up. Which is your answer Gob. ;D)

What exactly is the difference between using items and using Bulk Up? They both take a turn to use, and using items is probably faster as you don't have to go through the animation...

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Plus Torchick is faster and can kill everything with one attack and therefore takes no damage.

It's been a while, but I don't think that Mudkip was actually outrun by much.

[quote]Jigpuff, as far as I can tell, you may have the fastest time for Pokemon Emerald, so it would be awesome if you recorded your run and submitted it to this site. [/quote]
The only way I could record a run is with a Capture Card, and it only captures in 352x240...  I don't know if I could get good enough quality to submit it.
[quote]Yeah, I seem to vaguely remember Norman and the rival being a pain with Mudkip.  I think I thought about relying on Swagger but decided it was too luck/segment dependant and felt wrong.  More power to you if you choose to run this and use that method.[/quote]
I'm going to do a test run of this soon;  I'll probably see if it's worth getting Toxic for Slaking.

[quote]Where does Mudkip gain time on Torchick?  The way I recall things:

Mudkip: Faster for the first gym and the 7th gym.  Torchick must evolve for the first gym and get the super rod and catch 2 Sharpedo for the 7th gym.

Torchick: Faster Norman battle and rival fight.  Mudkip must use items/luck to get past both battles.

Everything else battlewise should be a push or favor Torchick,[/quote]
You don't need to catch a HM slave for Surf.  Also, I don't really think that Torchic outweighs Mudkip that much for everything else (if at all).
[quote]I think, since Torchick doesnt need to use any stat-boosting items since it has Bulk Up.  (I take that back, it needs one X Speed for Wattson, followed by Bulk Up.  Which is your answer Gob.  ;D)[/quote]
What exactly is the difference between using items and using Bulk Up?  They both take a turn to use, and using items is probably faster as you don't have to go through the animation...
[quote]Plus Torchick is faster and can kill everything with one attack and therefore takes no damage.[/quote]
It's been a while, but I don't think that Mudkip was actually outrun by much.

Gob_Bluth

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Gob_Bluth: 2006-11-14 08:14:40 pm

2006-11-14 07:26:43 am

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The only way I could record a run is with a Capture Card, and it only captures in 352x240... I don't know if I could get good enough quality to submit it.
I'm going to do a test run of this soon; I'll probably see if it's worth getting Toxic for Slaking.

You don't need to catch a HM slave for Surf. Also, I don't really think that Torchic outweighs Mudkip that much for everything else (if at all).
What exactly is the difference between using items and using Bulk Up? They both take a turn to use, and using items is probably faster as you don't have to go through the animation...
It's been a while, but I don't think that Mudkip was actually outrun by much.

Yeah, I think the only way someone should record a GBA run is on a Gamecube through the GBA device, but if what you say about your time is true, then I really wish you had one of those GBA-to-Gamecube devices.

It would be sweet if both you and FFPig did runs and both got submitted as different categories (different starter pokemon should = different category) as choosing a starter drastically changes one speedrun from the other.

To be honest though, I would prefer a Ruby/Sapphire run. Ruby/Sapphire has sold more games than Emerald. (VGCharts.org)
I don't know why Forgotten One didn't submit an R/S run; I think I remember him saying he was doing one. I really enjoyed his Pokemon Yellow run; loved seeing the look on the face of Pikachu when he placed in Bill's PC. hahah :).

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The only way I could record a run is with a Capture Card, and it only captures in 352x240...  I don't know if I could get good enough quality to submit it.
I'm going to do a test run of this soon;  I'll probably see if it's worth getting Toxic for Slaking.

You don't need to catch a HM slave for Surf.  Also, I don't really think that Torchic outweighs Mudkip that much for everything else (if at all).
What exactly is the difference between using items and using Bulk Up?  They both take a turn to use, and using items is probably faster as you don't have to go through the animation...
It's been a while, but I don't think that Mudkip was actually outrun by much.[/quote]

Yeah, I think the only way someone should record a GBA run is on a Gamecube through the GBA device, but if what you say about your time is true, then I really wish you had one of those GBA-to-Gamecube devices.

It would be sweet if both you and FFPig did runs and both got submitted as different categories (different starter pokemon should = different category) as choosing a starter drastically changes one speedrun from the other.

To be honest though, I would prefer a Ruby/Sapphire run. Ruby/Sapphire has sold more games than Emerald. (VGCharts.org)
I don't know why Forgotten One didn't submit an R/S run; I think I remember him saying he was doing one. I really enjoyed his Pokemon Yellow run; loved seeing the look on the face of Pikachu when he placed in  Bill's PC. hahah :).

DTaeKim

2006-11-14 01:34:43 pm

I didn't submit it because the final time I got was inferior to my practice run and I couldn't figure out where I lost the time.

Then there was the person who posted a time that was nearly twenty minutes faster than mine, but didn't list any strategies, so I'm uncertain if that time is legit or not.

Right now, I'm practicing for Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance. Maybe I'll pick up Ruby/Sapphire again after I'm done with it. This time around, I'm going to practice on the emulator and see the time I should get and any skips I may have forgotten.

Miles

2006-11-14 08:19:02 pm

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Yeah, I think the only way someone should record a GBA run is on a Gamecube through the GBA device, but if what you say about your time is true, then I really wish you had one of those GBA-to-Gamecube devices.

I have a Game Boy Player; It's just that, since the Capture Card only records in 352x240, I don't think the quality of the video would be good enough to submit the run. Sorry that confused you.

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It would be sweet if both you and FFPig did runs and both got submitted as different categories (different starter pokemon should = different category) as choosing a starter drastically changes one speedrun from the other.

I'd also like there to be seperate categories depending on the starter, but that's unlikely to happen...

fluffyflyingpig

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fluffyflyingpig: 2006-11-14 09:15:24 pm

2006-11-14 09:14:37 pm

Gob, if memory serves, there is a X Speed in town outside the gym. Otherwise you buy it way back in the town with the first gym. You basicly use the X Speed the first turn, Bulk Up 2 times or so, then sweep. This should work 2/3 of the time or so.

I really don't care about which starter Pokemon is chosen, all that matters is which one results in a faster time. This sort of optimization analysis is the essence of speed running and, to me anyway, what makes it fun. The actual route followed is almost identical in either case, since the game is fairly linear.

At any rate, Torchick as the starter should allow for a single segment run with a reasonably low amount of luck, which should be interesting, and would be a different catagory.

Jigpuff, if you have any notes from your old runs or do any further runs, I'd be interested in whatever else you have, particularly timing on segments to compare where the different starters gain and lose time.

Miles

2006-11-15 01:14:38 am

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At any rate, Torchick as the starter should allow for a single segment run with a reasonably low amount of luck, which should be interesting, and would be a different catagory.

Yeah... I don't even want to think about attempting a SS run as Mudkip.

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Jigpuff, if you have any notes from your old runs or do any further runs, I'd be interested in whatever else you have, particularly timing on segments to compare where the different starters gain and lose time.

I don't have any times for my run; However, I'm going to record a practice run next week, so I can see what times I get then. Also, there's a few changes in the route that I made that could also benefit a Torchic run:

1. I got 3 Rare Candies (one in Petalburg, one on Route 120, and one at the top of Mt. Pyre). All of these are a lot faster than the one in the desert mentioned earlier in this topic.

2. After getting the Devon Scope, I went ahead and went to Mt. Pyre and defeated Team Aqua, then teleported back to Fortree. This, along with the 3 Rare Candies, allowed Marshtomp to evolve into Swampert before the 6th gym.

3. After the Seafloor Cavern, I went to Pacifidlog, then flew to Mossdeep and surfed to Sootopolis, then flew back to Pacifidlog afterwards. I think that's slightly faster, but I'm not entirely sure...

[quote]At any rate, Torchick as the starter should allow for a single segment run with a reasonably low amount of luck, which should be interesting, and would be a different catagory.[/quote]
Yeah...  I don't even want to think about attempting a SS run as Mudkip.
[quote]Jigpuff, if you have any notes from your old runs or do any further runs, I'd be interested in whatever else you have, particularly timing on segments to compare where the different starters gain and lose time.[/quote]
I don't have any times for my run;  However, I'm going to record a practice run next week, so I can see what times I get then.  Also, there's a few changes in the route that I made that could also benefit a Torchic run:

1.  I got 3 Rare Candies (one in Petalburg, one on Route 120, and one at the top of Mt. Pyre). All of these are a lot faster than the one in the desert mentioned earlier in this topic.

2.  After getting the Devon Scope, I went ahead and went to Mt. Pyre and defeated Team Aqua, then teleported back to Fortree.  This, along with the 3 Rare Candies, allowed Marshtomp to evolve into Swampert before the 6th gym.

3.  After the Seafloor Cavern, I went to Pacifidlog, then flew to Mossdeep and surfed to Sootopolis, then flew back to Pacifidlog afterwards.  I think that's slightly faster, but I'm not entirely sure...