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KD

2006-08-18 09:25:18 am

Jealousy™

@Alex

Awesome. Seriously.

But what do you need the gauntlets for? I think you can just skip them, too.

alexpenev

2006-08-18 03:21:47 pm

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But what do you need the gauntlets for? I think you can just skip them, too.

I know the block in Spirit can be skipped, but I'm just trying to achieve the next immediate goal. Currently, that is Dodongo's for the Ruby.
Even if I pass the big boulder outside, there's a wall inside that needs to be broken. So I guess I need bomb-flowers. Bomb or bombchu should logically work, though I've never tried. I don't have bombs/bombchu yet, and I don't have bracelet/gauntlets for the flowers, either.

What items do you think I'll need in order to clear Dodongo's?

Fail Boat

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Fail Boat: 2006-08-18 06:32:10 pm

2006-08-18 06:14:03 pm

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I know the block in Spirit can be skipped, but I'm just trying to achieve the next immediate goal. Currently, that is Dodongo's for the Ruby.
Even if I pass the big boulder outside, there's a wall inside that needs to be broken. So I guess I need bomb-flowers. Bomb or bombchu should logically work, though I've never tried. I don't have bombs/bombchu yet, and I don't have bracelet/gauntlets for the flowers, either.

What items do you think I'll need in order to clear Dodongo's?

All the below stuff is all you need to beat the temple, assuming you're up-to-date on all the recently discovered tricks.

Slingshot (pesky bats)

Deku Shield (Bomb Bag Early)

7-8 Bombchus (Boulder at entrance, wall at beginning, wall to right of you after you blow up wall at beginning, make bomb flowers explode to make stairs fall, 4/3 Bombchus for Bomb Bag Early)

Deku stick (the boss, ground jump)

4 Bombs (boss, light eyes)

Note: You can also just light both eyes with a Bombchu for each eye if you don't want bombs and just want to get the dungeon over with super fast, but for this you need either Silver Gauntlets or the Bracelet to defeat the boss.

Also, you know there's a different way to get swordless link as a child in OoT right? (Assuming you're playing on the N64 1.0 version)

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I know the block in Spirit can be skipped, but I'm just trying to achieve the next immediate goal. Currently, that is Dodongo's for the Ruby.
Even if I pass the big boulder outside, there's a wall inside that needs to be broken. So I guess I need bomb-flowers. Bomb or bombchu should logically work, though I've never tried. I don't have bombs/bombchu yet, and I don't have bracelet/gauntlets for the flowers, either.

What items do you think I'll need in order to clear Dodongo's?[/quote]
All the below stuff is all you need to beat the temple, assuming you're up-to-date on all the recently discovered tricks.

Slingshot (pesky bats)

Deku Shield (Bomb Bag Early)

7-8 Bombchus (Boulder at entrance, wall at beginning, wall to right of you after you blow up wall at beginning, make bomb flowers explode to make stairs fall, 4/3 Bombchus for Bomb Bag Early)

Deku stick (the boss, ground jump)

4 Bombs (boss, light eyes)

Note:  You can also just light both eyes with a Bombchu for each eye if you don't want bombs and just want to get the dungeon over with super fast, but for this you need either Silver Gauntlets or the Bracelet to defeat the boss.

Also, you know there's a different way to get swordless link as a child in OoT right?  (Assuming you're playing on the N64 1.0 version)

alexpenev

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alexpenev: 2006-08-18 06:52:15 pm

2006-08-18 06:39:43 pm

I'm not interested in doing things fast... just skipping many items. So if "Bomb Bag Not-Early" doesnt' itnroduce new stuff to the invetory, it's not a problem to do it.
Your route uses both bomchu and bombs, and seems to be about skipping parts of the dungeon, not skipping items. I'm interested in crazy things like...if bombs can be ignored and bombchu used instead. (But King Dodongo requires something throwable, right? Darn Cry

)

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Also, you know there's a different way to get swordless link as a child in OoT right? (Assuming you're playing on the N64 1.0 version)

I'm playing PAL, which I don't think is v1.0.

Fail Boat

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Fail Boat: 2006-08-18 07:22:33 pm

2006-08-18 07:20:14 pm

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I'm not interested in doing things fast... just skipping many items. So if "Bomb Bag Not-Early" doesnt' itnroduce new stuff to the invetory, it's not a problem to do it.
Your route uses both bomchu and bombs, and seems to be about skipping parts of the dungeon, not skipping items. I'm interested in crazy things like...if bombs can be ignored and bombchu used instead. (But King Dodongo requires something throwable, right? Darn Cry

)

I'm playing PAL, which I don't think is v1.0.

The reason you need bombs is to skip getting the bottle, beans, the egg (unless you still have bombchus), slingshot (possibly), and hookshot (possibly). I'm also pretty sure I missed a few things.

c4p7ain c0mp0s7

2006-08-18 07:21:54 pm

Food goes in here

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http://www.speedrunwiki.com/Marathon_Run
http://www.speedrunwiki.com/Obstacle_Course

With glitches, Obsctale Course can be beaten in 0:00. The Marathon "run" is usually done with a few small glitches, nothing really huge that just bypasses the whole race or kills the timer.

Thanks.

DK64_MASTER

2006-08-18 07:37:14 pm

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Slingshot (pesky bats)

Can't you use a deku stick on bats?

YautjaElder

2006-08-18 08:26:59 pm

Speed is the key.

Or sword.

Fail Boat

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Fail Boat: 2006-08-18 09:21:07 pm

2006-08-18 09:20:18 pm

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Can't you use a deku stick on bats?

Why waste a deku stick when you can use a slingshot bullet? I'm not saying you necessarily need the slingshot, I'm just suggesting it. Smiley

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Or sword.

alexpenev is trying to beat child part without a sword.

KD

2006-08-18 09:29:31 pm

Jealousy™

Skip slingshot when you skip sword?

How do you beat deku tree without sword/deku stick/slingshot and how do you get deku stick without slingshot?

Manocheese

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Manocheese: 2006-08-18 09:34:32 pm

2006-08-18 09:34:08 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

For the Deku Stick without Slingshot, you could CC into Goron City and get the Deku Stick from the pot there. I believe you can also buy them (heh, buying weapons in the shop XD).

EDIT: W00t! 100 pages!

KD

2006-08-18 09:39:03 pm

Jealousy™

Oh.. buy them.

Haha.. that didn't even occur to me. ok ok so you could theoretically skip slingshot, but then you need bombs to do bomb hover since you need slingshot for bomchu hover, right?

Fail Boat

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Fail Boat: 2006-08-18 09:54:20 pm

2006-08-18 09:52:36 pm

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How did we get into this whole "skipping slingshot" stuff again? alexpenev just asked a simple question and it already got answered.

Back to topic?

Yay! 100 Pages!

DK64_MASTER

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DK64_MASTER: 2006-08-18 10:30:07 pm

2006-08-18 10:27:55 pm

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Why waste a deku stick when you can use a slingshot bullet? I'm not saying you necessarily need the slingshot, I'm just suggesting it. Smiley

alexpenev is trying to beat child part without a sword.

But isn't he trying to complete the game with a minamalist file? Do you need the slingshot anywhere else? Is the slingshot skippable?

Edit: (I left my browser open, and didn't refresh the page for about 2 hours) I guess the slingshot can be skipped.

Fail Boat

2006-08-18 10:28:52 pm

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But isn't he trying to complete the game with a minamalist file? Do you need the slingshot anywhere else? Is the slingshot skippable?

Yes the slingshot is skippable but, skipping it costs more time than it saves.

DK64_MASTER

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DK64_MASTER: 2006-08-18 10:32:22 pm

2006-08-18 10:30:28 pm

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Yes the slingshot is skippable but, skipping it costs more time than it saves.

Low %?

Random question: Is it possible to beat the game using CC and not collect a single rupee? That could add to a low% run Wink

Manocheese

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Manocheese: 2006-08-18 11:55:49 pm

2006-08-18 11:55:30 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

Except that CC is not allowed on SDA. Tongue

EDIT: Never mind, you're not talking about SDA.

alexpenev

2006-08-19 02:24:28 am

The slightshot might be skippable, but you probably need to replace it with something else.... deku nuts for gohma, or din's fire for switches that are high above the ground... that sort of thing.

petrie911

2006-08-19 02:33:03 am

Everybody loves Hypnotoad!

you can use bombchus to hit high switches usually, and, since you're using CC, you can wait to do the Deku Tree until you get the Boomerang.

alexpenev

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alexpenev: 2006-08-19 03:21:01 am

2006-08-19 03:05:02 am

There are some switches in Jabu Jabu (e.g. first room). Won't have either boomerang or slingshot there - the bombchu are needed for it? Then I guess the first thing I have to do is get bombchus from the Spirit Temple. But that also has several switches (room with the big skull, and high-up switch in room that give you bombchu).

So what's another place to get bombchu?

Fail Boat

2006-08-19 04:09:36 am

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You can get Bombchus from Spirit Temple and the well. For the Bombchus in the well, you need bombs.

To hit the switches in Jabu-Jabu, you need to throw a bomb at the first one, and throw Ruto at the second one.

alexpenev

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alexpenev: 2006-08-19 05:07:59 am

2006-08-19 04:56:40 am

Okay, so "to get X, need Y":

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bombs - bracelet or gaunlets (dodongo), or bombchu (bowling alley minigame)
~~bracelet - bottle or ocarina~~
gauntlets - boomerang/slingshot, and bombchu/bombs (items for child-Spirit)
bombchu - bombs (well), bombs/slingshot/boomerang (switch in Spirit)
boomerang - slingshot/bombs/bombchu (switch in Jabu's first room)
slingshot -

Are these correct, or are there tricks of doing things another way? There might be some other things involved that I haven't though of, so it could be more restrictive than this.

If they're correct... skipping the slingshot makes it:
bombs: gauntlets or bombchu
bombchu: bomb or boomerang
boomerang: bomb or bombchu
gaunlets: at least 1 of the above

This doesn't seem to be workable.

Skipping the gauntlets instead of slingshot makes it:
bombs - bombchu
bombchu - bombs/slingshot/boomerang
boomerang - slingshot/bombs/bombchu
slingshot -

This seems to have better chances.

petrie911

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petrie911: 2006-08-19 05:20:57 am

2006-08-19 05:17:40 am

Everybody loves Hypnotoad!

you absolutely need Boomerang to kill Barinade.

Also, you can get Silver Gauntlets without Slingshot, bombs, Boomerang, or Bombchus. see here.

Incidentally, since you're using CC, can you CC through the Door of Time?

DK64_MASTER

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DK64_MASTER: 2006-08-19 05:56:38 am

2006-08-19 05:54:40 am

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Incidentally, since you're using CC, can you CC through the Door of Time?

I wish. I think the only way was using super-speed with a game-genie.

Has anyone seen the hacked OOT ROM that has CC support. Bisqwit won't allow it, but it's pretty cool.

alexpenev

2006-08-19 06:03:28 am

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Also, you can get Silver Gauntlets without Slingshot, bombs, Boomerang, or Bombchus. see here.

Would this work if I don't have a sword?
I thought there was a circular rock in a wall (in Spirit) that needs to be bombed, that's why I put bombs/bombchu on the Spirit list.

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Incidentally, since you're using CC, can you CC through the Door of Time?

Probably the first thing I've checked when learning about CC Smiley