OoT [N64] Segmented [Suspended]

2006-08-05 08:42:46 pm

Jealousy™

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Sarcastic much KD? He was only trying to be helpful, theres no need to act like that.

He was trying to be helpful, I'm sorry. I know they're only trying to help but somehow I get mad anyway. In my sick way of viewing the world helping people is selfish and they only do it to take credit for being able to help.. and then he's "helping" you by giving you information that was discovered by you in the first place. Maybe this helps you understand my response. I know it's a wrong way of seeing things but I can't shake it off.

By the way, I hate superslide because it's one of the things that are very important for my route, but I still can't do it consistently. In fact, I love it, because it allows me to make a few route changes I wanted to make, but I hate the fact that I can't do it. Love/hate relationship.

FIERCELINKMASTER

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FIERCELINKMASTER: 2006-08-05 09:04:25 pm

2006-08-05 08:56:42 pm

No the Quail is not riding the Q

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I know they're only trying to help but somehow I get mad anyway. In my sick way of viewing the world helping people is selfish and they only do it to take credit for being able to help.. and then he's "helping" you by giving you information that was discovered by you in the first place.

Did you know that speedruns are not viewed by just the speedrunners of the game?
I don't like it when you speak on behalf of the thread and place yourself above the people supporting this run.

TSA

2006-08-05 09:52:47 pm

Retired

I can't pull of this trick, Acryte. I USED 10 BOMBCHUS to reach that ledge...I always hit an edge and fall (either backflip or doing the bombchu blast), or Link falls during the trick (apparently if you're too close or too high, this happens).

So seriously, I'm ditching this trick. It's pissing me off. As is the bomb trick near the end, although I've pulled that off at least once.

So yeah, I've spend a shit load of time on this bomb bag trick, and I'm beginning to think it doesn't work on N64 or my version or something, because with other tricks that frustrated me, I've eventually pulled them off and can now do them easily. This, even with everyone explaining it, is not working. I mean, I am "moving" back towards the ledge, it's just there is no way I can land on that ledge.

YautjaElder

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YautjaElder: 2006-08-05 10:13:38 pm

2006-08-05 10:03:39 pm

Speed is the key.

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I can't pull of this trick, Acryte. I USED 10 BOMBCHUS to reach that ledge...I always hit an edge and fall (either backflip or doing the bombchu blast), or Link falls during the trick (apparently if you're too close or too high, this happens).

So seriously, I'm ditching this trick. It's pissing me off. As is the bomb trick near the end, although I've pulled that off at least once.

So yeah, I've spend a shit load of time on this bomb bag trick, and I'm beginning to think it doesn't work on N64 or my version or something, because with other tricks that frustrated me, I've eventually pulled them off and can now do them easily. This, even with everyone explaining it, is not working. I mean, I am "moving" back towards the ledge, it's just there is no way I can land on that ledge.

AMEN!

I started to think that I sucked, but now I see that it's not just me having problems. If you'll scrap this trick, I'll do the same in my 100% run. I just hope that there isn't somewhere else in the run where this trick will save time...

I'm back at my run now.

[quote]I can't pull of this trick, Acryte.  I USED 10 BOMBCHUS to reach that ledge...I always hit an edge and fall (either backflip or doing the bombchu blast), or Link falls during the trick (apparently if you're too close or too high, this happens).

So seriously, I'm ditching this trick.  It's pissing me off.  As is the bomb trick near the end, although I've pulled that off at least once.

So yeah, I've spend a shit load of time on this bomb bag trick, and I'm beginning to think it doesn't work on N64 or my version or something, because with other tricks that frustrated me, I've eventually pulled them off and can now do them easily.  This, even with everyone explaining it, is not working.  I mean, I am "moving" back towards the ledge, it's just there is no way I can land on that ledge.[/quote]
[i][b]AMEN![/b][/i]

I started to think that I sucked, but now I see that it's not just me having problems. If you'll scrap this trick, I'll do the same in my 100% run. I just hope that there isn't somewhere else in the run where this trick will save time...

I'm back at my run now.

FIERCELINKMASTER

2006-08-05 10:06:35 pm

No the Quail is not riding the Q

Which trick are you guys talking about?

YautjaElder

2006-08-05 10:07:13 pm

Speed is the key.

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Which trick are you guys talking about?

The "hover" trick to get the bomb bag early.

TSA

2006-08-05 10:30:22 pm

Retired

My segment will probably be a minute longer because of this, but at least now I'm getting to Dodongo. I'll have this segment done today and compress/upload later.

AKA

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AKA: 2006-08-06 01:11:39 am

2006-08-06 01:10:33 am

He's back!

Come to mention it you can complete Forest as a child without cheats or crooked, but you need the boss key which requires bomb hover and then you glitch below the poe room and bomb hover up onto the elavator and then load the revolving room.

You could also do Shadow as a child without Nocturne or crooked as well.

I'm not sure about Fire temple, can Volvagnia be beaten without a hammer (deku sticks maybe)

Water, Yes this can be done, but it would look cool if the longshot is obtained

Yes you could probally do this without the boss key, but I don't think the boss cutscene initaties, but at least the Mirror Shield could be obtained.

Didn't Kazooie say that he wanted to complete all temples now that bomb hover exists.

TSA

2006-08-06 04:20:55 am

Retired

Dodongo's Cavern done.

Manocheese

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Manocheese: 2006-08-06 08:20:31 am

2006-08-06 07:53:49 am

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

Woot. Downloading.

Okay, it was good overall. Some mistakes, though. The bit after the Lizalfos was kinda slow. The room where you climb a ledge, then a block, then a ledge (before the boss) had some extra sidehops. The method used to light the eyes was less than optimal. I think the best way is to throw a bomb into the farther one, then drop a bomb into the other one right before the first explodes. You'll have enough time to jump directly onto the mouth and you'll fall during the cutscene. The rest of the segment was fast.

YautjaElder

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YautjaElder: 2006-08-06 09:54:30 am

2006-08-06 09:52:25 am

Speed is the key.

Segment 10, comments.

-Nice bombchu drops on rock walls.

-You lost 2 seconds when trying to climb the ladder.

-Getting the ground jump from the pot and baby dodongos was cool.

-When going from the switch to the door (in main room), you lost a second by grabbing a ledge. Are you sure it is faster to do what you did instead of jumping on the platfroms?

-You didn't get the bombchu drop near the staircase on you first try, but that's forgivable. Have you tried pulling your bombchu out while backwalking and time it so it explodes when you're standing between the bomb flowers? That's what I'm doing. Smiley

-Good movement after the staircase.

-Umm, in the armos room, why didn't you use the trick to get to the switch without pushing the armos? It's really easy.

-Good backwalk over the wooden bridge.

-In the room with floor razors, I think it's faster to jump down into the "alley" in front of you instead of taking the left one, then do the text skip.

-Not the best way to blow up the rock wall in the same room, but it works.

-Why didn't you backwalk in the corridor with baby dodongos (after first eye switch room)?

-About the lizalfos battle... why not jumpslash the first one with the sword, then with a deku stick? That way, you could beat the first one in one cycle and the second one will be forced to fight you without running away. Just crouch stab him. You waste a stick, but I think it's worth it... besides, where would you use that stick anyway?

-After the lizalfos battle you jumped down into the lava, lost a little time.

-Lighting the eyes was very well done.

-In the rock corridor, you side jumped a lot into the wall, lost some precious seconds.

-Nice usage of deku nuts to get the bats out of the way. I will have to remember that one...

-Good work avoinding those bats when pulling/pushing the block.

-When falling down into king dodongo's chamber... some people say that you fall faster if you do a jumpslash, but I dunno. My strategy is to jumpslash down there with a deku stick and I'll have a crouch stab ready. Smiley

Good segment overall, but not flawless. Wink

Segment 10, comments.

-Nice bombchu drops on rock walls.

-You lost 2 seconds when trying to climb the ladder.

-Getting the ground jump from the pot and baby dodongos was cool.

-When going from the switch to the door (in main room), you lost a second by grabbing a ledge. Are you sure it is faster to do what you did instead of jumping on the platfroms?

-You didn't get the bombchu drop near the staircase on you first try, but that's forgivable. Have you tried pulling your bombchu out while backwalking and time it so it explodes when you're standing between the bomb flowers? That's what I'm doing. :)

-Good movement after the staircase.

-Umm, in the armos room, why didn't you use the trick to get to the switch without pushing the armos? It's really easy.

-Good backwalk over the wooden bridge.

-In the room with floor razors, I think it's faster to jump down into the "alley" in front of you instead of taking the left one, then do the text skip.

-Not the best way to blow up the rock wall in the same room, but it works.

-Why didn't you backwalk in the corridor with baby dodongos (after first eye switch room)?

-About the lizalfos battle... why not jumpslash the first one with the sword, then with a deku stick? That way, you could beat the first one in one cycle and the second one will be forced to fight you without running away. Just crouch stab him. You waste a stick, but I think it's worth it... besides, where would you use that stick anyway?

-After the lizalfos battle you jumped down into the lava, lost a little time.

-Lighting the eyes was very well done.

-In the rock corridor, you side jumped a lot into the wall, lost some precious seconds.

-Nice usage of deku nuts to get the bats out of the way. I will have to remember that one...

-Good work avoinding those bats when pulling/pushing the block.

-When falling down into king dodongo's chamber... some people say that you fall faster if you do a jumpslash, but I dunno. My strategy is to jumpslash down there with a deku stick and I'll have a crouch stab ready. :)

Good segment overall, but not flawless. ;)

Kazooie

2006-08-06 11:59:58 am

Zelda Rulez!

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Come to mention it you can complete Forest as a child without cheats or crooked, but you need the boss key which requires bomb hover and then you glitch below the poe room and bomb hover up onto the elavator and then load the revolving room.

You could also do Shadow as a child without Nocturne or crooked as well.

I'm not sure about Fire temple, can Volvagnia be beaten without a hammer (deku sticks maybe)

Water, Yes this can be done, but it would look cool if the longshot is obtained

Yes you could probally do this without the boss key, but I don't think the boss cutscene initaties, but at least the Mirror Shield could be obtained.

Didn't Kazooie say that he wanted to complete all temples now that bomb hover exists.

Yeah I gonna beat all child dungeons with my friend help and finally I can make good quality videos Smiley

Now I think I doens't use crooked anymore because that hover trick overwrite it and I have planned few dungeons routes already Wink

I make those videos when my school strat and I can see my friend again.

I downloading that new segment now.

[quote]Come to mention it you can complete Forest as a child without cheats or crooked, but you need the boss key which requires bomb hover and then you glitch below the poe room and bomb hover up onto the elavator and then load the revolving room.

You could also do Shadow as a child without Nocturne or crooked as well.

I'm not sure about Fire temple, can Volvagnia be beaten without a hammer (deku sticks maybe)

Water, Yes this can be done, but it would look cool if the longshot is obtained

Yes you could probally do this without the boss key, but I don't think the boss cutscene initaties, but at least the Mirror Shield could be obtained.

Didn't Kazooie say that he wanted to complete all temples now that bomb hover exists.[/quote]

Yeah I gonna beat all child dungeons with my friend help and finally I can make good quality videos :)
Now I think I doens't use crooked anymore because that hover trick overwrite it and I have planned few dungeons routes already ;)
I make those videos when my school strat and I can see my friend again.

I downloading that new segment now.

Acryte

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Acryte: 2006-08-06 12:34:05 pm

2006-08-06 12:10:12 pm

Zelda Scientist®

Kazooie, that sounds fun. Do you plan on going to the boss as "beating" it? Or do you have some plan to tackle twinrova?

Also Kazooie, I'm uploading a vid of that stuff I'm testing for you. Oh, and I think that it may be a dead end... I think that nothing special happens when something other than a bottle is on B... then again I haven't tested all 50 items, but if that is the case then not only would it make it so that we are stuck only w/ the current chart links, it also would make it practically pointless in theory (as magic bean on B wouldn't have a special linking item to make experimenting an option anyways) and in hopes to get this as it would require going back in time... however, if we do find a way, it still may be worth it to do, if only for an easy ganon early.

And yes, I cut out a bunch of that pause lag, since there is excessive amounts of pausing going on here.

Is the 4 bombchu method really that hard? It took me about 10 tries to do the 3 bombchu method a second ago, after not doing it for a week or 2. Either way though, the run must progress, so I'm glad to see another segment is done.

Kazooie, that sounds fun. Do you plan on going to the boss as "beating" it? Or do you have some plan to tackle twinrova?

Also Kazooie, I'm uploading a vid of that stuff I'm testing for you. Oh, and I think that it may be a dead end... I think that nothing special happens when something other than a bottle is on B... then again I haven't tested all 50 items, but if that is the case then not only would it make it so that we are stuck only w/ the current chart links, it also would make it practically pointless in theory (as magic bean on B wouldn't have a special linking item to make experimenting an option anyways) and in hopes to get this as it would require going back in time... however, if we do find a way, it still may be worth it to do, if only for an easy ganon early.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0tq6OJMZYY

And yes, I cut out a bunch of that pause lag, since there is excessive amounts of pausing going on here.

Is the 4 bombchu method really that hard? It took me about 10 tries to do the 3 bombchu method a second ago, after not doing it for a week or 2. Either way though, the run must progress, so I'm glad to see another segment is done.

Kazooie

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Kazooie: 2006-08-06 12:51:57 pm

2006-08-06 12:48:47 pm

Zelda Rulez!

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Kazooie, that sounds fun. Do you plan on going to the boss as "beating" it? Or do you have some plan to tackle twinrova?

Also Kazooie, I'm uploading a vid of that stuff I'm testing for you. Oh, and I think that it may be a dead end... I think that nothing special happens when something other than a bottle is on B... then again I haven't tested all 50 items, but if that is the case then not only would it make it so that we are stuck only w/ the current chart links, it also would make it practically pointless in theory (as magic bean on B wouldn't have a special linking item to make experimenting an option anyways) and in hopes to get this as it would require going back in time... however, if we do find a way, it still may be worth it to do, if only for an easy ganon early.

And yes, I cut out a bunch of that pause lag, since there is excessive amounts of pausing going on here.

Is the 4 bombchu method really that hard? It took me about 10 tries to do the 3 bombchu method a second ago, after not doing it for a week or 2. Either way though, the run must progress, so I'm glad to see another segment is done.

I gonna beat those dungeons far as a can and try find to way to beat twirova and other bosses Grin

Yeah that was a good video but you can forget all that stuff is it possible to skip first ganon fight Smiley

I don't really get what you are trying in that video, only thing what you are doing into it, is you change B bottle place with right C-items or do you mean you try get it work backwards, example you get something to B and then somehow try get light arrow to right C button or what?

[quote]Kazooie, that sounds fun. Do you plan on going to the boss as "beating" it? Or do you have some plan to tackle twinrova?

Also Kazooie, I'm uploading a vid of that stuff I'm testing for you. Oh, and I think that it may be a dead end... I think that nothing special happens when something other than a bottle is on B... then again I haven't tested all 50 items, but if that is the case then not only would it make it so that we are stuck only w/ the current chart links, it also would make it practically pointless in theory (as magic bean on B wouldn't have a special linking item to make experimenting an option anyways) and in hopes to get this as it would require going back in time... however, if we do find a way, it still may be worth it to do, if only for an easy ganon early.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0tq6OJMZYY

And yes, I cut out a bunch of that pause lag, since there is excessive amounts of pausing going on here.

Is the 4 bombchu method really that hard? It took me about 10 tries to do the 3 bombchu method a second ago, after not doing it for a week or 2. Either way though, the run must progress, so I'm glad to see another segment is done.[/quote]

I gonna beat those dungeons far as a can and try find to way to beat twirova and other bosses ;D

Yeah that was a good video but you can forget all that stuff is it possible to skip first ganon fight :)

I don't really get what you are trying in that video, only thing what you are doing into it, is you change B bottle place with right C-items or do you mean you try get it work backwards, example you get something to B and then somehow try get light arrow to right C button or what?

Acryte

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Acryte: 2006-08-06 01:43:26 pm

2006-08-06 01:24:34 pm

Zelda Scientist®

no... look at the inventory. First I have 16 deku nuts. Then I turn B into a bottle. Now I have 20 Deku nuts. Then I catch the Fish. Now I have 25 Deku Nuts. Then I put the empty bottle on c-right and empty the bottle. Now I have a bottle #3. Then I catch the fish and have a fish in bottle #3 too. Then I put hookshot on c-right and get a bottle where the ice arrows are supposed to be. You see, I am using the bottle that is on B to get things into my inventory, instead of using my inventory to get things on B. That bottle that is where the ice arrows are acts as ice arrows as far as c-right items for bottle B goes. So, if you can find a way to get the light arrows in the inventory... even if it involves going back in time, then you won't have to do the insanely hard ganon early. And when I say insanely I mean the 3 bombchu method is like... so easy you could do it with your eyes closed before this one. Also, if we can manage to do it w/out going back in time, then we can skip all of spirit, and not have to beat forest. Those are the potential benefits. As far as skipping the ganondorf fight... I have no clue as how to even attempt that... I mean... it is a separate place and you get warped there after the cutscene... It may be like epona and there is some way to get there through wall... But I highly doubt that... and it would require getting through the wall in the upper part of the tower (during the fight). So... I'm highly doubtful that skipping that fight would happen... especially since using hover has proven there to be no warp when skipping to the bridge (even w/ no textures) and also even when I was behind the wall w/ no textures (used levitation). so...

But, I'm pretty sure that given my current understanding of all of this and the current data chart... that it isn't possible. Mainly because of not being able to equip magic beans as an adult to a C button... IDK maybe not.

no... look at the inventory. First I have 16 deku nuts. Then I turn B into a bottle. Now I have 20 Deku nuts. Then I catch the Fish. Now I have 25 Deku Nuts. Then I put the empty bottle on c-right and empty the bottle. Now I have a bottle #3. Then I catch the fish and have a fish in bottle #3 too. Then I put hookshot on c-right and get a bottle where the ice arrows are supposed to be. You see, I am using the bottle that is on B to get things into my inventory, instead of using my inventory to get things on B. That bottle that is where the ice arrows are acts as ice arrows as far as c-right items for bottle B goes. So, if you can find a way to get the light arrows in the inventory... even if it involves going back in time, then you won't have to do the insanely hard ganon early. And when I say insanely I mean the 3 bombchu method is like... so easy you could do it with your eyes closed before this one. Also, if we can manage to do it w/out going back in time, then we can skip all of spirit, and not have to beat forest. Those are the potential benefits. As far as skipping the ganondorf fight... I have no clue as how to even attempt that... I mean... it is a separate place and you get warped there after the cutscene... It may be like epona and there is some way to get there through wall... But I highly doubt that... and it would require getting through the wall in the upper part of the tower (during the fight). So... I'm highly doubtful that skipping that fight would happen... especially since using hover has proven there to be no warp when skipping to the bridge (even w/ no textures) and also even when I was behind the wall w/ no textures (used levitation). so...

But, I'm pretty sure that given my current understanding of all of this and the current data chart... that it isn't possible. Mainly because of not being able to equip magic beans as an adult to a C button... IDK maybe not.

Kazooie

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Kazooie: 2006-08-06 02:05:40 pm

2006-08-06 02:05:27 pm

Zelda Rulez!

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no... look at the inventory. First I have 16 deku nuts. Then I turn B into a bottle. Now I have 20 Deku nuts. Then I catch the Fish. Now I have 25 Deku Nuts. Then I put the empty bottle on c-right and empty the bottle. Now I have a bottle #3. Then I catch the fish and have a fish in bottle #3 too. Then I put hookshot on c-right and get a bottle where the ice arrows are supposed to be. You see, I am using the bottle that is on B to get things into my inventory, instead of using my inventory to get things on B. That bottle that is where the ice arrows are acts as ice arrows as far as c-right items for bottle B goes. So, if you can find a way to get the light arrows in the inventory... even if it involves going back in time, then you won't have to do the insanely hard ganon early. And when I say insanely I mean the 3 bombchu method is like... so easy you could do it with your eyes closed before this one. Also, if we can manage to do it w/out going back in time, then we can skip all of spirit, and not have to beat forest. Those are the potential benefits. As far as skipping the ganondorf fight... I have no clue as how to even attempt that... I mean... it is a separate place and you get warped there after the cutscene... It may be like epona and there is some way to get there through wall... But I highly doubt that... and it would require getting through the wall in the upper part of the tower (during the fight). So... I'm highly doubtful that skipping that fight would happen... especially since using hover has proven there to be no warp when skipping to the bridge (even w/ no textures) and also even when I was behind the wall w/ no textures (used levitation). so...

But, I'm pretty sure that given my current understanding of all of this and the current data chart... that it isn't possible. Mainly because of not being able to equip magic beans as an adult to a C button... IDK maybe not.

You mean you can get light arrow to invertory with B bottle. if you can equip magic bean as adult and use b bottle. you will get b bottle to the light arrow place. How you can get light arrow or do you mean use another B item to get light arrow.

That deku nut thing. When you have 16 deku nuts and use bottled fish on right c and then drop fish from b bottle, you have 20 deku nuts, same time you replace 16 deku nut place to empty bottle and you cannot get magic beans to B anymore with deku nuts and bottle fish. See here:
http://www.jaytheham.com/zc/oot.php?page=ootba

Is my explanation enought good or not, if not then tell me Smiley

[quote]no... look at the inventory. First I have 16 deku nuts. Then I turn B into a bottle. Now I have 20 Deku nuts. Then I catch the Fish. Now I have 25 Deku Nuts. Then I put the empty bottle on c-right and empty the bottle. Now I have a bottle #3. Then I catch the fish and have a fish in bottle #3 too. Then I put hookshot on c-right and get a bottle where the ice arrows are supposed to be. You see, I am using the bottle that is on B to get things into my inventory, instead of using my inventory to get things on B. That bottle that is where the ice arrows are acts as ice arrows as far as c-right items for bottle B goes. So, if you can find a way to get the light arrows in the inventory... even if it involves going back in time, then you won't have to do the insanely hard ganon early. And when I say insanely I mean the 3 bombchu method is like... so easy you could do it with your eyes closed before this one. Also, if we can manage to do it w/out going back in time, then we can skip all of spirit, and not have to beat forest. Those are the potential benefits. As far as skipping the ganondorf fight... I have no clue as how to even attempt that... I mean... it is a separate place and you get warped there after the cutscene... It may be like epona and there is some way to get there through wall... But I highly doubt that... and it would require getting through the wall in the upper part of the tower (during the fight). So... I'm highly doubtful that skipping that fight would happen... especially since using hover has proven there to be no warp when skipping to the bridge (even w/ no textures) and also even when I was behind the wall w/ no textures (used levitation). so...

But, I'm pretty sure that given my current understanding of all of this and the current data chart... that it isn't possible. Mainly because of not being able to equip magic beans as an adult to a C button... IDK maybe not.[/quote]

You mean you can get light arrow to invertory with B bottle. if you can equip magic bean as adult and use b bottle. you will get b bottle to the light arrow place. How you can get light arrow or do you mean use another B item to get light arrow.

That deku nut thing. When you have 16 deku nuts and use bottled fish on right c and then drop fish from b bottle, you have 20 deku nuts, same time you replace 16 deku nut place to empty bottle and you cannot get magic beans to B anymore with deku nuts and bottle fish. See here:
http://www.jaytheham.com/zc/oot.php?page=ootba

Is my explanation enought good or not, if not then tell me :)

Acryte

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Acryte: 2006-08-06 03:49:14 pm

2006-08-06 02:46:01 pm

Zelda Scientist®

About the magic beans... I know, you'd get the empty bottle on B. I'm just showing a few things in that video where you can have your inventory be affected. I'm not trying to get beans on B in that vid. Otherwise I'd jst put 20 nuts on c-right an call it good. of course not. I'm saying that if you had 16 nuts lets say... then you turned your nuts into a bottled fish... you can put that bottled fish on C-right and get magic beans on B even though you had a bottle on B and not the deku nuts. So, they still count the bottle as what is in that inventory spot (or supposed to be). But because you can't equip beans as an adult I think that there is no possible way to do this whole thing.

Basically here is the rundown... if you change B to a bottle or bottled item while having a bottle on c-right, then the deku nut # gets refreshed to accound for what is on B. #1 on the chart affects #2. But Magic beans on B don't have that special kind of effect that bottles do... and if they did, the special item would be magic beans which can't be equipped to C as an adult... so either way it isn't possible. So this isn't gonna happen. Plus there is no special affect when light arrows are on B either. So... that means that we can't even try to get those on B and then transfer them to the inventory like I do w/ the bottle.

The Deku nut that is a bottle and yet still is a deku nut is something like this...

About the magic beans... I know, you'd get the empty bottle on B. I'm just showing a few things in that video where you can have your inventory be affected. I'm not trying to get beans on B in that vid. Otherwise I'd jst put 20 nuts on c-right an call it good. of course not. I'm saying that if you had 16 nuts lets say... then you turned your nuts into a bottled fish... you can put that bottled fish on C-right and get magic beans on B even though you had a bottle on B and not the deku nuts. So, they still count the bottle as what is in that inventory spot (or supposed to be). But because you can't equip beans as an adult I think that there is no possible way to do this whole thing.

Basically here is the rundown... if you change B to a bottle or bottled item while having a bottle on c-right, then the deku nut # gets refreshed to accound for what is on B. #1 on the chart affects #2. But Magic beans on B don't have that special kind of effect that bottles do... and if they did, the special item would be magic beans which can't be equipped to C as an adult... so either way it isn't possible. So this isn't gonna happen. Plus there is no special affect when light arrows are on B either. So... that means that we can't even try to get those on B and then transfer them to the inventory like I do w/ the bottle.

The Deku nut that is a bottle and yet still is a deku nut is something like [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOM9HUuuSOM]this...[/url]

SamSim

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SamSim: 2006-08-06 05:52:24 pm

2006-08-06 05:46:50 pm

I'm seeing a lot of save-warping in the proposed route here. I hope you understand there will probably be a time penalty each time you do that.

I haven't posted here in since the day that the last OoT thread grew forty pages. This is because my life cannot consist solely of reading SDA. What I have been doing is transcribing everything I learned about OoT leading up to TSA's 4:57 run onto [url]www.speedrunwiki.com[/url] which is an open-source site full of speed strategies. It seemed to be a much better way to develop and discuss tricks than a single immense thread. This is a good place to start, the link in my sig may also be of use. Hop over and lend a hand if you feel like it. Of course, I see there's already a routes wiki going so I don't know.

I am semi-up-to-date on all these new tricks. I am seeing a distressing amount of glitches. I hope we all know that Radix doesn't like glitches (c.f. the Defection Glitch in Perfect Dark) and he won't simply cave under pressure from players (the PD Elite had been using it for half a decade, but he still disallowed it). Which means the Barrier Skip probably won't be allowed, which in turn knocks out a heck of a lot of other possible time savers.

That aside, this is all interesting stuff.

I'm seeing a lot of save-warping in the proposed route here. I hope you understand there will probably be a time penalty each time you do that.

I haven't posted here in since the day that the last OoT thread grew [i]forty pages[/i]. This is because my life cannot consist solely of reading SDA. What I have been doing is transcribing everything I learned about OoT leading up to TSA's 4:57 run onto [url]www.speedrunwiki.com[/url] which is an open-source site full of speed strategies. It seemed to be a much better way to develop and discuss tricks than a single immense thread. [url=http://speedrunwiki.com/Category:The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time]This[/url] is a good place to start, the link in my sig may also be of use. Hop over and lend a hand if you feel like it. Of course, I see there's already a routes wiki going so I don't know.

I am semi-up-to-date on all these new tricks. I am seeing a distressing amount of glitches. I hope we all know that Radix doesn't like glitches (c.f. the Defection Glitch in Perfect Dark) and he won't simply cave under pressure from players (the PD Elite had been using it for half a decade, but he still disallowed it). Which means the Barrier Skip probably won't be allowed, which in turn knocks out a heck of a lot of other possible time savers.

That aside, this is all interesting stuff.

YautjaElder

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YautjaElder: 2006-08-06 05:53:01 pm

2006-08-06 05:52:31 pm

Speed is the key.

Why would there be a time penalty for save-warping? Never seen that... It does however mark your run as "best time with save-warping" or something like that.

About the barrier skip, Radix has already allowed it.

mwl

2006-08-06 08:26:45 pm

What?

All the potentially 'questionable' glitches have already been approved by Radix, even if they make the run go under separate categories.

There are no 'boundary violations,' and those are the ones he has real problems with.

Kazooie

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Kazooie: 2006-08-06 10:43:53 pm

2006-08-06 08:58:55 pm

Zelda Rulez!

Quote:

About the magic beans... I know, you'd get the empty bottle on B. I'm just showing a few things in that video where you can have your inventory be affected. I'm not trying to get beans on B in that vid. Otherwise I'd jst put 20 nuts on c-right an call it good. of course not. I'm saying that if you had 16 nuts lets say... then you turned your nuts into a bottled fish... you can put that bottled fish on C-right and get magic beans on B even though you had a bottle on B and not the deku nuts. So, they still count the bottle as what is in that inventory spot (or supposed to be). But because you can't equip beans as an adult I think that there is no possible way to do this whole thing.

Basically here is the rundown... if you change B to a bottle or bottled item while having a bottle on c-right, then the deku nut # gets refreshed to accound for what is on B. #1 on the chart affects #2. But Magic beans on B don't have that special kind of effect that bottles do... and if they did, the special item would be magic beans which can't be equipped to C as an adult... so either way it isn't possible. So this isn't gonna happen. Plus there is no special affect when light arrows are on B either. So... that means that we can't even try to get those on B and then transfer them to the inventory like I do w/ the bottle.

The Deku nut that is a bottle and yet still is a deku nut is something like this...

So you mean this:
You can get deku nuts amout items even deku nut have bottled fish on it, right?
You can get those items because you use bottled fish as a child and that anout what you left, that item you will get but you can replace those deku nuts amout items if you have bottled fish on your right C button.
Example:
if you have 16 deku nuts you can get magic beans (like in your video) Now equip bottled fish to right C as a adult and use B button bottle and now you replace deku nut amout item (magic bean) to the b bottle. Now if you go to child and equip bottle fish to right c button and have 16 deku nuts, you will get magic beans but you have changed that magic beans to b bottle and you get bottle instead of magic beans.

I don't know do you get it but this is what I mean Smiley

EDIT:
Here is those amout hacking things what amout you can if use those b bottle items.
Empty Bottle=20
Bottled Fish=25
Fairy=24
Bug=29
Blue Fire=28

And acryte you know if you get B bottle to another places like quest status screen or equipment screen you can hack those.
Example with that way you can get Black Gauntles and Japanese Wallet or get Medallions without beating those temples and you can get songs too. If you have wacthed my two extra heart pieces video you understand what I trying to tell you.

I think we can use those hacking codes to get some cool stuff what meaby gonna help in speedrun Smiley

TSA - Good segment 10 but yautja have already sayed those little mistakes, so I won't say those again Wink

Here is some thing which maybe help you.
1. when you come to the main room you backwalk on tat wooden bridge, but I think it's faster to backwalk to the right after you blow up that wall and then climb up that rising platform and then wait little time and jump off and grab that ledge near bomb flower and that area where you use ground jump.

2.when you shoot those two eye switchs, then you do rolls in your video but I think it's faster to straight away backwalk and after those two dodongos you sidehop to left and then continue backwalk and sidehop to the door.

3.Before boss you can throw that bomb to right side of that blow area and then go to the left side by yourself and you fall down straight away when that bomb have blowed up.

If you are gonna improve it good luck with it Wink

[quote]About the magic beans... I know, you'd get the empty bottle on B. I'm just showing a few things in that video where you can have your inventory be affected. I'm not trying to get beans on B in that vid. Otherwise I'd jst put 20 nuts on c-right an call it good. of course not. I'm saying that if you had 16 nuts lets say... then you turned your nuts into a bottled fish... you can put that bottled fish on C-right and get magic beans on B even though you had a bottle on B and not the deku nuts. So, they still count the bottle as what is in that inventory spot (or supposed to be). But because you can't equip beans as an adult I think that there is no possible way to do this whole thing.

Basically here is the rundown... if you change B to a bottle or bottled item while having a bottle on c-right, then the deku nut # gets refreshed to accound for what is on B. #1 on the chart affects #2. But Magic beans on B don't have that special kind of effect that bottles do... and if they did, the special item would be magic beans which can't be equipped to C as an adult... so either way it isn't possible. So this isn't gonna happen. Plus there is no special affect when light arrows are on B either. So... that means that we can't even try to get those on B and then transfer them to the inventory like I do w/ the bottle.

The Deku nut that is a bottle and yet still is a deku nut is something like [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOM9HUuuSOM]this...[/url][/quote]
So you mean this:
You can get deku nuts amout items even deku nut have bottled fish on it, right?
You can get those items because you use bottled fish as a child and that anout what you left, that item you will get but you can replace those deku nuts amout items if you have bottled fish on your right C button.
Example:
if you have 16 deku nuts you can get magic beans (like in your video) Now equip bottled fish to right C as a adult and use B button bottle and now you replace deku nut amout item (magic bean) to the b bottle. Now if you go to child and equip bottle fish to right c button and have 16 deku nuts, you will get magic beans but you have changed that magic beans to b bottle and you get bottle instead of magic beans.

I don't know do you get it but this is what I mean :)

EDIT:
Here is those amout hacking things what amout you can if use those b bottle items.
Empty Bottle=20
Bottled Fish=25
Fairy=24
Bug=29
Blue Fire=28

And acryte you know if you get B bottle to another places like quest status screen or equipment screen you can hack those.
Example with that way you can get Black Gauntles and Japanese Wallet or get Medallions without beating those temples and you can get songs too. If you have wacthed my two extra heart pieces video you understand what I trying to tell you.

I think we can use those hacking codes to get some cool stuff what meaby gonna help in speedrun :)

TSA - Good segment 10 but yautja have already sayed those little mistakes, so I won't say those again ;)
Here is some thing which maybe help you.
1. when you come to the main room you backwalk on tat wooden bridge, but I think it's faster to backwalk to the right after you blow up that wall and then climb up that rising platform and then wait little time and jump off and grab that ledge near bomb flower and that area where you use ground jump.

2.when you shoot those two eye switchs, then you do rolls in your video but I think it's faster to straight away backwalk and after those two dodongos you sidehop to left and then continue backwalk and sidehop to the door.

3.Before boss you can throw that bomb to right side of that blow area and then go to the left side by yourself and you fall down straight away when that bomb have blowed up.

If you are gonna improve it good luck with it ;)

TheFrigz

2006-08-06 10:55:16 pm

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Uhh..call me crazy..but I don't see where, in the current route posted on page 1, where in there you get Magic.

DK64_MASTER

2006-08-06 11:44:21 pm

Finally got around to leeching some Wi-fi in England (On holidays)... I got this PM:

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Hello, This is Jordan. I've been reading up on your upcoming OoT run and am amazed that it is even possible to skip the fire and water temples. My only worry is that if you do not do any of the water temple, you cannot get the longshot and are stuck using the hookshot---is this possible on dungeons after the water temple? the example that comes to mind is in the spirit temple, where in the main room shooting the chains with your longshot brings you to the platform where the statue(way to the nabooru door) is. I am almost sure that a hookshot would not be able to hit that, and some other longshot points in the game. the other thing is: you might want to check out what's causing the bad sound on your segments(I've only tried 2 so far), but the sound is bad---Hard to hear without cranking volume, even then still dificult to hear. Thanks, Jordan.

I hope they don't think the current route is mine...

OT: So YE, AKA, Quijo any tips on what to do in Leicester or Birmingham?

Finally got around to leeching some Wi-fi in England (On holidays)... I got this PM:

[quote]Hello, This is Jordan. I've been reading up on your upcoming OoT run and am amazed that it is even possible to skip the fire and water temples. My only worry is that if you do not do any of the water temple, you cannot get the longshot and are stuck using the hookshot---is this possible on dungeons after the water temple? the example that comes to mind is in the spirit temple, where in the main room shooting the chains with your longshot brings you to the platform where the statue(way to the nabooru door) is. I am almost sure that a hookshot would not be able to hit that, and some other longshot points in the game. the other thing is: you might want to check out what's causing the bad sound on your segments(I've only tried 2 so far), but the sound is bad---Hard to hear without cranking volume, even then still dificult to hear. Thanks, Jordan. [/quote]

I hope they don't think the current route is mine...

OT: So YE, AKA, Quijo any tips on what to do in Leicester or Birmingham?

Acryte

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Acryte: 2006-08-06 11:48:11 pm

2006-08-06 11:44:57 pm

Zelda Scientist®

I believe we are doing "adult magic" but they forgot to stick it into the route. Thanks for noticing TSA will probably add that in real quick. My guess is after shadow, on the way to forest. Then you just go up that seam and get to the top. Grab it, and then get into dodongo's cavern through the Darunia room entranc (it will set you past the statue)

Staralfur

2006-08-07 12:21:41 am

hello there

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OT: So YE, AKA, Quijo any tips on what to do in Leicester or Birmingham?

I live down in Somerset, so I wouldn't know. Have fun anyway.

And Yautja lives in Sweden. Roll Eyes