Ocarina of Time - All Categories[N64]

2009-06-10 10:53:46 am

Just going to open this up so anybody who wants to can test:

For low% MST, we are approaching a 28 item route for console, we just need a few things tested (highly recommended you have gamecube or pj64 to test):

1. Get deku sticks on B as adult. Now try to transfer a flame from anywhere in Ganon's Castle to any torch in the first room of the forest trial. Remember to use the flame storage glitch for extra time (works the same way as adult as with child, only with bow instead of slingshot). Don't forget to try those flames in the entry hall...I don't know if they can light a fire, but if they can then you can almost certainly do this in time. This most definately requires gamecube or pj64, as adult link can't pull out sticks on mupen/N64.

2. Get through the shadow trial with very little chus. You have no other useful items you can use (that means no Song of Time, Hookshot/Longshot, Hover Boots, or Bombs). You have the Megaton Hammer, Bow, Goron Tunic, Bottle (no RBA/BA) and Light Arrows, yet I doubt they will be very helpful. And of course, you have the Master Sword and Mirror Shield. Currently, the plan of attack I am thinking of is megaflip to the chest (confirmed to be possible), followed by a megaflip to the bubble with ISG off the chest. From there, megaflip off the bubble towards the like like platform. If you are too low, then stop yourself with a chu just after hitting the wall, and hover up to the platform. From the likelike platform, either megaflip/sidehop to the switch, or megaflip to the gold gauntlets platform first, than megasidehop to the switch. From there, either hover back to the gold gauntlets chest, or die in the void and repeat the first few steps. This is only one suggested line of attack, feel free to test other things. Also remember, since bombs and chus work the same for megaflips, you can test with bombs and Nayru's Love if it will make it easier, just don't superslide or ground jump. You can also use Song of Time or longshot to get to the chest easier for testing.

3. Not nearly as important as the other two, but if someone wants to test getting the Megaton Hammer as child with as little chus as possible, that would be useful too.

Just going to open this up so anybody who wants to can test:

For low% MST, we are approaching a 28 item route for console, we just need a few things tested (highly recommended you have gamecube or pj64 to test):

1. Get deku sticks on B as adult. Now try to transfer a flame from anywhere in Ganon's Castle to any torch in the first room of the forest trial. Remember to use the flame storage glitch for extra time (works the same way as adult as with child, only with bow instead of slingshot). Don't forget to try those flames in the entry hall...I don't know if they can light a fire, but if they can then you can almost certainly do this in time. This most definately requires gamecube or pj64, as adult link can't pull out sticks on mupen/N64.

2. Get through the shadow trial with very little chus. You have no other useful items you can use (that means no Song of Time, Hookshot/Longshot, Hover Boots, or Bombs). You have the Megaton Hammer, Bow, Goron Tunic, Bottle (no RBA/BA) and Light Arrows, yet I doubt they will be very helpful. And of course, you have the Master Sword and Mirror Shield. Currently, the plan of attack I am thinking of is megaflip to the chest (confirmed to be possible), followed by a megaflip to the bubble with ISG off the chest. From there, megaflip off the bubble towards the like like platform. If you are too low, then stop yourself with a chu just after hitting the wall, and hover up to the platform. From the likelike platform, either megaflip/sidehop to the switch, or megaflip to the gold gauntlets platform first, than megasidehop to the switch. From there, either hover back to the gold gauntlets chest, or die in the void and repeat the first few steps. This is only one suggested line of attack, feel free to test other things. Also remember, since bombs and chus work the same for megaflips, you can test with bombs and Nayru's Love if it will make it easier, just don't superslide or ground jump. You can also use Song of Time or longshot to get to the chest easier for testing.

3. Not nearly as important as the other two, but if someone wants to test getting the Megaton Hammer as child with as little chus as possible, that would be useful too.

Thomaz

2009-06-10 11:34:28 am

Catchin' them all

You can get a flame on a Deku Stick on B. The stick will be invisible though.

RingRush

2009-06-10 11:38:20 am

Yeah, I know you can get a flame, and I know you can flame storage it for a bit. I just need to make sure you can transfer the flame all the way to the forest trial without it running out. Flame Storage can only go so far.

petrie911

2009-06-10 01:01:00 pm

Everybody loves Hypnotoad!

Quote:

1. Get deku sticks on B as adult. Now try to transfer a flame from anywhere in Ganon's Castle to any torch in the first room of the forest trial. Remember to use the flame storage glitch for extra time (works the same way as adult as with child, only with bow instead of slingshot). Don't forget to try those flames in the entry hall...I don't know if they can light a fire, but if they can then you can almost certainly do this in time. This most definately requires gamecube or pj64, as adult link can't pull out sticks on mupen/N64.

The spirit trial is too far away and the torches in the entrance hall do not work. Admittedly, I did not try it with supersliding, although I don't know how that would work with holding a stick. The torches in Ganon's Tower would be perfect, except they're separated by a loading zone.

RingRush

2009-06-10 01:06:06 pm

I assume you used flame storage?

Hmm...would there be a way to break out of bounds to keep the flame storage going for longer? I don't know the specifics of how the glitch works.

Waef

2009-06-10 03:39:54 pm

You have to be within range of the actual fire. The way it works is by creating a disjointed hitbox or something. Essentially the game thinks the deku stick is in the fire, even if you're somewhere else. But if you move too far away from the fire, it will no longer work.

So you're not really "storing" the flame, instead you're just hitting the flame from much further away than normal.

Kazooie

2009-06-11 07:08:25 am

Zelda Rulez!

You guys have very intresting dicussion there. I tought I can share this with you guys about flame storage. When I was hacking my own puzzle dungeon for oot, about month ago I run to this glitch with flame storage idk if it's already know.

So when you take flame from torch and you need to light other torch to make something happen. So that first torch keep fire on little time and then it will run out and that time is same that your normal deku stick fire time. So when you light torch and take flame storage with one go. Then wait for some time (almost when torch is almost end of fire time) take out your deku stick and game will start calculating that fire time again and that way you can make your way even further with flame. I don't think this will help you at all. But it's same thing what Weaf sayed above, you will light torch much further away than normal.

EDIT:
Oh and btw you can do flame storage without bow or slighshot very easily. Just stand near of torch and make navi appear with A button and when A says "Put Away" then bring deku stick out and smash A button to put it out right away. Same works with sword too Smiley

You guys have very intresting dicussion there. I tought I can share this with you guys about flame storage. When I was hacking my own puzzle dungeon for oot, about month ago I run to this glitch with flame storage idk if it's already know.

So when you take flame from torch and you need to light other torch to make something happen. So that first torch keep fire on little time and then it will run out and that time is same that your normal deku stick fire time. So when you light torch and take flame storage with one go. Then wait for some time (almost when torch is almost end of fire time) take out your deku stick and game will start calculating that fire time again and that way you can make your way even further with flame. I don't think this will help you at all. But it's same thing what Weaf sayed above, you will light torch much further away than normal.

EDIT:
Oh and btw you can do flame storage without bow or slighshot very easily. Just stand near of torch and make navi appear with A button and when A says "Put Away" then bring deku stick out and smash A button to put it out right away. Same works with sword too :)

Synbios

2009-06-11 01:45:35 pm

I assume that this segment of the 100% speedrun of BrianMp16 is new Smiley

petrie911

2009-06-11 04:17:43 pm

Everybody loves Hypnotoad!

Quote from Kazooie:

So when you take flame from torch and you need to light other torch to make something happen. So that first torch keep fire on little time and then it will run out and that time is same that your normal deku stick fire time. So when you light torch and take flame storage with one go. Then wait for some time (almost when torch is almost end of fire time) take out your deku stick and game will start calculating that fire time again and that way you can make your way even further with flame. I don't think this will help you at all. But it's same thing what Weaf sayed above, you will light torch much further away than normal.

So, basically, if you use flame storage off a torch that eventually goes out, pulling out your deku stick resets the timer on the torch, right?

Acryte

2009-06-12 05:53:14 am

Zelda Scientist®

yep. I have a flamestorage document that contains all the info you'll ever need on it if need be.

chaosv1

2009-06-12 03:41:23 pm

Quote from ZFG:

Quote from darklink23jdm:

Hey guys do you think this looks like a HESS?

Not quite. Its a water ESS, which is faster than a normal ESS but slower than HESS.

That could be a HESS actually. water ESSes preserve the speed you were traveling when you were in the water. I checked and the speed of the SS after the attempted SS teleport is the same as a SS. So thats probably a different variation of water HESSing. Nice find

ZFG

2009-06-13 02:29:50 pm

MrGrunz is a guay

If anyone cares I made the MQ NMS/MST seg'd route

Seg 1, 2, 3 same ol same ol shield sword sticks

Seg 4

-use deku stick text delay trick to climb vines at the bottom without text
-climb to the top and go in slingshot room
-quick jumpslash deku below the ledge and get nuts
-use nuts to kill the rest of the enemies and get slingshot
-back to main room
-sidehop down to middle of the room
-lure a gohma larva down to the bottom, light web and use flame storage, megaflip down to basement and use stored flame to burn web
-3-1-2
-gohma
-kokiri emerald
-save

Seg 5

-basic go to gerudo fortress seg

Seg 6

-cross the wasteland to spirit
-collect 20 chus and key in spirit (for the eye switch behind the rock you can hit it without blowing it up by getting really close)
-leave and learn requiem
-save

Seg 7

-bombchu superslide to hyrule castle (19)
-talon skip and zeldas lullaby (18)
-save

Seg 8

-lost woods goron city warp (17)
-enter DC (16)

Seg 9

-blast wall (16)
-chu rock to hit switch for pillar (15)
-early bomb bag with jumpslash recoil
-light eyes
-enter head
-hover up to switch
-KD and goron ruby
-magic
-keapora down to kakariko by night (might be ok to save in DC after beating it to waste time?)
-graveyard
-get hylian shield
-shadow early
-save

Seg 10

-megaflip gap
-bird statue
-megaflip again and go down to get key
*optional save*
-back up to statue room and blow up wall to the maze
-get hover boots
-save

Seg 11

-exit shadow
-go up the stairs and get on the brown fence
-hover to the green ledge to the right
-enter dampes grave from OoB
-get hookshot
-save

Seg 12

-to zoras river
-buy bean
-megaflip past waterfall
-megaflip past king zora oob
-jabu without fish
-save

Seg 13

-gyser skip
-get boomerang
*if needed, get chus in nextroom*
-save

Seg 14

-preloaded room red slimy thing skip
-cow switch
-barinade and zora sapphire
*optional save*
-requiem and plant bean
-save

Seg 15

-superslide to market and watch Zelda escape cutscene, don’t get OoT
-go to ToT and DoT skip
-save

Seg 16

-superslide to kokiri
-single bomb hover over bridge ropes
-to SFM
-ground jump maze skip
-minuet and enter forest

Seg 17

-key in first room
-to main room
-wolfos key in the back (time block is not there if you don’t have SoT)
-activate switch in block room with chu
-twist hallway
-key in redead room
-climb up block room
-bow
-save

Seg 18

-unreals boss key skip
-phantom ganon
-forest medallion
-save

Seg 19

-superslide to lake hylia
-enter water temple via OoB
-save

Seg 20

-superslide hover to boss door room
-superslide past floor razors
-bk skip
-morpha
-water medallion
-fire arrows
-save

Seg 21

-to graveyard
-shadow early
-save

Seg 22

-down to spinning scythe room
-get key in invisible chest in cage room
-jumpslash sb
-ride boat
-fire arrow bombs to knock down pillar
-hover to switch at the top of the room from the other broken pillar with a time block near it
-megaflip to the door
-get boss key (use fire arrows to burn spike wall)
-back to river room
-go to bongo bongo
-shadow medallion
-climb death mountain into crater
-megaflip to fire temple
-save inside

Seg 23

-light torches in first room with fire arrows
-left room and talk with darunia
-get key
-save

Seg 24

-lower left door
-continue through until you get hammer
-save

Seg 25

-upper right door
-go to the left side and get on the platform that goes up to the alcove
-fire arrow torch up there and one near the door to unlock the door
-superslide hover from the alcove to the door
-get boss key
-save

Seg 26

-upper left room and go to volvagia
*get 4-5 heart containers from earlier bosses so you don’t need fairy/goron tunic*
-fire medallion
-requiem
-save in spirit

Seg 27

-ride bean plant
-get to mirror shield ledge
-go down 2 rooms
-climb time block and shine light on sun to unlock door
-get boss key
-beamos room and use key
-climb wall and get silver rupees to unlock door
-zeldas lullaby to unlock next door
-complete mirror puzzle (might be faster to use glitch to skip using hammer)
-go to boss
-beat IK and twinrova
-spirit medallion
-save

Seg 28

-light arrows
-ganons castle
-save

Seg 29

-spirit
-light
-fire
-shadow
-forest
-enter tower

Seg 30

-same ol same ol

If anyone cares I made the MQ NMS/MST seg'd route

Seg 1, 2, 3 same ol same ol shield sword sticks

Seg 4

-use deku stick text delay trick to climb vines at the bottom without text
-climb to the top and go in slingshot room
-quick jumpslash deku below the ledge and get nuts
-use nuts to kill the rest of the enemies and get slingshot
-back to main room
-sidehop down to middle of the room
-lure a gohma larva down to the bottom, light web and use flame storage, megaflip down to basement and use stored flame to burn web
-3-1-2
-gohma 
-kokiri emerald
-save

Seg 5

-basic go to gerudo fortress seg

Seg 6

-cross the wasteland to spirit
-collect 20 chus and key in spirit (for the eye switch behind the rock you can hit it without blowing it up by getting really close)
-leave and learn requiem
-save

Seg 7

-bombchu superslide to hyrule castle (19)
-talon skip and zeldas lullaby (18)
-save

Seg 8

-lost woods goron city warp (17)
-enter DC (16)

Seg 9

-blast wall (16)
-chu rock to hit switch for pillar (15)
-early bomb bag with jumpslash recoil
-light eyes
-enter head
-hover up to switch
-KD and goron ruby
-magic
-keapora down to kakariko by night (might be ok to save in DC after beating it to waste time?)
-graveyard
-get hylian shield
-shadow early
-save

Seg 10

-megaflip gap
-bird statue
-megaflip again and go down to get key
*optional save*
-back up to statue room and blow up wall to the maze
-get hover boots
-save

Seg 11

-exit shadow
-go up the stairs and get on the brown fence
-hover to the green ledge to the right
-enter dampes grave from OoB
-get hookshot
-save

Seg 12

-to zoras river
-buy bean
-megaflip past waterfall
-megaflip past king zora oob
-jabu without fish
-save

Seg 13

-gyser skip
-get boomerang
*if needed, get chus in nextroom*
-save

Seg 14

-preloaded room red slimy thing skip
-cow switch
-barinade and zora sapphire
*optional save*
-requiem and plant bean
-save

Seg 15

-superslide to market and watch Zelda escape cutscene, don’t get OoT
-go to ToT and DoT skip
-save

Seg 16

-superslide to kokiri
-single bomb hover over bridge ropes
-to SFM
-ground jump maze skip
-minuet and enter forest

Seg 17

-key in first room
-to main room
-wolfos key in the back (time block is not there if you don’t have SoT)
-activate switch in block room with chu 
-twist hallway
-key in redead room
-climb up block room
-bow
-save

Seg 18

-unreals boss key skip
-phantom ganon
-forest medallion
-save

Seg 19

-superslide to lake hylia
-enter water temple via OoB
-save

Seg 20

-superslide hover to boss door room
-superslide past floor razors
-bk skip
-morpha
-water medallion
-fire arrows
-save

Seg 21

-to graveyard
-shadow early
-save

Seg 22

-down to spinning scythe room
-get key in invisible chest in cage room
-jumpslash sb
-ride boat
-fire arrow bombs to knock down pillar
-hover to switch at the top of the room from the other broken pillar with a time block near it
-megaflip to the door
-get boss key (use fire arrows to burn spike wall)
-back to river room
-go to bongo bongo
-shadow medallion
-climb death mountain into crater
-megaflip to fire temple
-save inside

Seg 23

-light torches in first room with fire arrows
-left room and talk with darunia
-get key 
-save

Seg 24

-lower left door
-continue through until you get hammer
-save

Seg 25

-upper right door
-go to the left side and get on the platform that goes up to the alcove
-fire arrow torch up there and one near the door to unlock the door
-superslide hover from the alcove to the door
-get boss key
-save

Seg 26

-upper left room and go to volvagia
*get 4-5 heart containers from earlier bosses so you don’t need fairy/goron tunic*
-fire medallion
-requiem
-save in spirit

Seg 27

-ride bean plant 
-get to mirror shield ledge
-go down 2 rooms
-climb time block and shine light on sun to unlock door
-get boss key
-beamos room and use key 
-climb wall and get silver rupees to unlock door
-zeldas lullaby to unlock next door
-complete mirror puzzle (might be faster to use glitch to skip using hammer)
-go to boss
-beat IK and twinrova
-spirit medallion
-save

Seg 28

-light arrows
-ganons castle
-save

Seg 29

-spirit
-light
-fire
-shadow
-forest
-enter tower

Seg 30

-same ol same ol

RattleMan

Edit history:

RattleMan: 2009-06-13 03:10:38 pm

2009-06-13 03:03:31 pm

w00

Quote from ZFG:

If anyone cares I made the MQ NMS/MST seg'd route
[...]
Seg 9

-early bomb bag with jumpslash recoil

Or this way if you have the Goron Bracelet:

UchihaSasuke

2009-06-13 06:07:13 pm

Stand: Devil's Call in your Heart

shouldn't that route be in the MQ topic?

ZFG

2009-06-13 11:40:23 pm

MrGrunz is a guay

No one reads the MQ topic anymore :-\.

Pokey

2009-06-14 09:51:39 pm

Speedrunner

That could be a HESS actually. water ESSes preserve the speed you were traveling when you were in the water. I checked and the speed of the SS after the attempted SS teleport is the same as a SS. So thats probably a different variation of water HESSing. Nice find
[/quote]

Are you saying that I might of accidentally found a new glitch when I was just playing around?

BTW I have no idea how to do the quote thing with the blue box.

Chimpas

2009-06-15 10:14:49 am

Life is a glitch, then you die...

I SAY:
BrianMP16 MUST redo his speedrun and skip the boss key in FT, donesn't He??

RingRush

2009-06-15 11:12:33 am

1. Who are you to absolutely demand a segment be redone?
2. He needed to get the golden skulltula on the lower floor anyways, so the boss key skip might not even have worked.

ZeroGX

2009-06-16 03:07:14 pm

Quote from pokeypummel17:

That could be a HESS actually. water ESSes preserve the speed you were traveling when you were in the water. I checked and the speed of the SS after the attempted SS teleport is the same as a SS. So thats probably a different variation of water HESSing. Nice find

Are you saying that I might of accidentally found a new glitch when I was just playing around?

BTW I have no idea how to do the quote thing with the blue box.
[/quote]
Happens quite a lot with glitchers.

Pokey

2009-06-17 02:59:03 am

Speedrunner

Has anyone ever beaten OoT backwards as in the first temple would be Spirit then beat the temples in opposite order then your suppose to then beat ganon?

da grunz

2009-06-17 09:03:41 am

doubt, that anybody ever did that

would be cool to see

Pokey

2009-06-17 10:53:03 am

Speedrunner

well i started one.

In_Pieces

2009-06-17 11:25:03 am

...?

Quote from pokeypummel17:

Has anyone ever beaten OoT backwards as in the first temple would be Spirit then beat the temples in opposite order then your suppose to then beat ganon?

It's actually fairly easy.
I've done it, except i did shadow first.

Pokey

2009-06-17 11:55:59 am

Speedrunner

I've done it to but I didn't beat Jabu Jabu but if you get bomb on B then you can do DoT skip as adult so I'm now gonna beat every level.

Suddoman

2009-06-17 09:03:59 pm

Just to note, this means you'll never be able to enter Temple of Time after you beat the second temple (as it will activate the Light Arrow CS). Just a note.