DuckTales Remastered

2013-10-03 07:16:21 am

For Fun! For GLORY!!

Wow Mauste, you've been puttin in work. I'm surprised Extreme is legit faster. Still not gonna do it though, since you have to be perfect, and going for safety measures and being careful just eats time.

Capndrake

2013-10-03 10:26:03 am

Just got 33:49 in-game from my first extreme run, that's definitely faster. Made a bunch of mistakes as well.

Mauste

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2013-10-03 11:26:36 am

Quote from Radman:

Wow Mauste, you've been puttin in work. I'm surprised Extreme is legit faster. Still not gonna do it though, since you have to be perfect, and going for safety measures and being careful just eats time.

Heheh yeah, but someone had to do it Tongue

Quote from Capndrake:

Just got 33:49 in-game from my first extreme run, that's definitely faster. Made a bunch of mistakes as well.

That's what I have been telling people, sub 33 IGT is definitely possible on Extreme Smiley

It's a shame the IGT is buggy for me though Sad

I finally managed to get the last part from Vesuvius (boulders) and even with the quick cycle on Easy, extreme is faster (~0.5 seconds, since I forgot to Pogo Jump on extreme to the chain).
This is because on extreme the boulders that "roll down towards you" move faster on extreme.

So, the mystery is solved. Extreme is ~47.5 seconds faster than Easy even though you do not have Magic Coins (well lets round it up to ~50 seconds) Tongue

Now that I have finally done with the comparison, maybe I can shift my focus back to actual speedrunning Cheesy

[quote="Radman"]Wow Mauste, you've been puttin in work. I'm surprised Extreme is legit faster. Still not gonna do it though, since you have to be perfect, and going for safety measures and being careful just eats time.[/quote]

Heheh yeah, but someone had to do it :P

[quote="Capndrake"]
Just got 33:49 in-game from my first extreme run, that's definitely faster. Made a bunch of mistakes as well.
[/quote]

That's what I have been telling people, sub 33 IGT is definitely possible on Extreme :) It's a shame the IGT is buggy for me though :(

I finally managed to get the last part from Vesuvius (boulders) and even with the quick cycle on Easy, extreme is faster (~0.5 seconds, since I forgot to Pogo Jump on extreme to the chain).
This is because on extreme the boulders that "roll down towards you" move faster on extreme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aFolBy4Qzg

So, the mystery is solved. Extreme is ~47.5 seconds faster than Easy even though you do not have Magic Coins (well lets round it up to ~50 seconds) :P
Now that I have finally done with the comparison, maybe I can shift my focus back to actual speedrunning :D

jrat12345

2013-10-03 03:15:30 pm

jrat12345@twitch

Quote from Mauste:

Quote from Radman:

Wow Mauste, you've been puttin in work. I'm surprised Extreme is legit faster. Still not gonna do it though, since you have to be perfect, and going for safety measures and being careful just eats time.

Heheh yeah, but someone had to do it Tongue

Quote from Capndrake:

Just got 33:49 in-game from my first extreme run, that's definitely faster. Made a bunch of mistakes as well.

That's what I have been telling people, sub 33 IGT is definitely possible on Extreme Smiley

It's a shame the IGT is buggy for me though Sad

I finally managed to get the last part from Vesuvius (boulders) and even with the quick cycle on Easy, extreme is faster (~0.5 seconds, since I forgot to Pogo Jump on extreme to the chain).
This is because on extreme the boulders that "roll down towards you" move faster on extreme.

So, the mystery is broken. Extreme is ~47.5 seconds faster than Easy even though you do not have Magic Coins (well lets round it up to ~50 seconds) Tongue

Now that I have finally done with the comparison, maybe I can shift my focus back to actual speedrunning Cheesy

Haha! I thought so and said it the first day it came out. Glad to see it proven, though. Extreme is the real way to play this game. Wink

[quote="Mauste"][quote="Radman"]Wow Mauste, you've been puttin in work. I'm surprised Extreme is legit faster. Still not gonna do it though, since you have to be perfect, and going for safety measures and being careful just eats time.[/quote]

Heheh yeah, but someone had to do it :P

[quote="Capndrake"]
Just got 33:49 in-game from my first extreme run, that's definitely faster. Made a bunch of mistakes as well.
[/quote]

That's what I have been telling people, sub 33 IGT is definitely possible on Extreme :) It's a shame the IGT is buggy for me though :(

I finally managed to get the last part from Vesuvius (boulders) and even with the quick cycle on Easy, extreme is faster (~0.5 seconds, since I forgot to Pogo Jump on extreme to the chain).
This is because on extreme the boulders that "roll down towards you" move faster on extreme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aFolBy4Qzg

So, the mystery is broken. Extreme is ~47.5 seconds faster than Easy even though you do not have Magic Coins (well lets round it up to ~50 seconds) :P
Now that I have finally done with the comparison, maybe I can shift my focus back to actual speedrunning :D[/quote]

Haha!  I thought so and said it the first day it came out.  Glad to see it proven, though.  Extreme is the real way to play this game. ;)

Radman

2013-10-03 04:35:09 pm

For Fun! For GLORY!!

I feel weak then if Extreme is the real way to play. Sad

jrat12345

2013-10-03 04:40:57 pm

jrat12345@twitch

Note: I have yet to beat the game on extreme. I'm sure I could, but I haven't really given it a shot. When testing it, I mostly played on easy. But I had the most fun testing my bos fights and the ending sequence on extreme.

Radman

2013-10-03 06:04:21 pm

For Fun! For GLORY!!

Guess I need to suck it up and stop being so weak, and start learning the route for Extreme. AROO!

Mauste

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2013-10-03 06:14:29 pm

Quote from jrat12345:

Extreme is the real way to play this game. Wink

Indeed it is Wink

The higher the risk, the higher the reward Smiley

If someone has been speedrunning the game on Easy and wants to get into Extreme speedrunning, I would suggest picking up the extra heart containers in Himalayas and Transylvania. One could also consider picking up the extra lives in Moneybin, Amazon and African Mines. This way there's still have room for mistakes (5 hits instead of 6) and with some checkpoint-luck deaths aren't that costly either. After time, just gradually decrease the amount of those "useless item" pick-ups.

The Extreme route isn't any different from Easy route. The biggest difference is in Amazon, where you pickup the two coins from the tunnel and then kill yourself and go the top route. The second difference is the deathskip in Transylvania after the 3rd miniboss. Other than that, the route is pretty much the same. Smiley

I did a run just now, which was ruined by bad luck. I got 8x beagles in a row during the Glomgold's plane at one point and the others were 2:1 and 3:1 favoring the beagles. I really wish this could get changed to be more consistent (for example, it could always drop 7-8 beagles and 5 bombs). Same with the bosses, couldn't they always do the same amount of the attacks (for example dracula: 2x bats, 2x giants, 2x dragons or Magica: 5x flares, 4x stones), but the order would be random like during the Terra Firmie King? I think this would be a more consistent solution and a huge improvement for speedrunning.

[quote="jrat12345"]Extreme is the real way to play this game. ;)
[/quote]

Indeed it is ;)
The higher the risk, the higher the reward :)

If someone has been speedrunning the game on Easy and wants to get into Extreme speedrunning, I would suggest picking up the extra heart containers in Himalayas and Transylvania. One could also consider picking up the extra lives in Moneybin, Amazon and African Mines. This way there's still have room for mistakes (5 hits instead of 6) and with some checkpoint-luck deaths aren't that costly either. After time, just gradually decrease the amount of those "useless item" pick-ups.

The Extreme route isn't any different from Easy route. The biggest difference is in Amazon, where you pickup the two coins from the tunnel and then kill yourself and go the top route. The second difference is the deathskip in Transylvania after the 3rd miniboss. Other than that, the route is pretty much the same. :)

I did a run just now, which was ruined by bad luck. I got 8x beagles in a row during the Glomgold's plane at one point and the others were 2:1 and 3:1 favoring the beagles. I really wish this could get changed to be more consistent (for example, it could always drop 7-8 beagles and 5 bombs). Same with the bosses, couldn't they always do the same amount of the attacks (for example dracula: 2x bats, 2x giants, 2x dragons or Magica: 5x flares, 4x stones), but the order would be random like during the Terra Firmie King? I think this would be a more consistent solution and a huge improvement for speedrunning.

Radman

2013-10-03 06:16:16 pm

For Fun! For GLORY!!

Mauste, tomorrow on IRC I need to talk to you more about the route. I'm gonna stream Extreme runs that day and I could use a hand. :3

Mauste

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Quote from Radman:

Mauste, tomorrow on IRC I need to talk to you more about the route. I'm gonna stream Extreme runs that day and I could use a hand. :3

Only if you wait a bit longer before quitting. I can't really answer if I am in middle of a run (unless I'm riding the helicopter or looking at a Stage Clear-screen) Tongue

DuckTalesGuru29

2013-10-03 09:49:25 pm

I just wanted to applaud all of you hardcore speed runners for your excellent dedication to figuring out all of this useful information. Whatever the case, I look forward to the competition by you awesome rivals. I am still trying to better my time on easy and hope to eventually speed run on extreme. Wink

Radman

2013-10-03 09:50:51 pm

For Fun! For GLORY!!

Yeah, get comfy with Easy, then get the confidence to do Extreme. Smiley

Cyrax

2013-10-04 12:12:13 am

Konkey Dong

Dammit. Now I'm basically forced to do Extreme runs now. Let's get started with hard pogos and routing ladies and germs!

rTiimber

2013-10-04 01:08:48 am

I'll keep on running Easy for a while more. I still need to shave off another ~10s.

I've been really sick for the last day now, so I've slept 30 out of the last 32 hours. But expect more Easy Wii U records soon. Smiley

I've only played through Extreme a few times, but will definitely see if I can learn hard pogo to tackle that one as well. Thanks Mauste for all the comparisons and routing - that's hell of a job!

Capndrake

2013-10-04 10:35:31 am

Just got a 33:23! With two bonus stages, but thankfully they don't count towards the in-game time (Right?)

Radman

2013-10-04 10:43:53 am

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Not sure. But again, IGT is meh.

Mauste

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2013-10-04 11:07:26 am

Quote from Capndrake:

Just got a 33:23! With two bonus stages, but thankfully they don't count towards the in-game time (Right?)

Some people have gotten IGT Personal Bests with bonus stages, so either they don't count, or the players have simply improved significantly at other parts of their run.
To be on the safe side, you should try to avoid the bonus stages. Not to mention bonus stages always add to your real time, which seems to be the standard for this game Smiley

On Extreme, your treasures' values are multiplied by 1.5x at the end of the stage, so be sure to check your total money after every stage and calculate the multiplier in your head during the stage
(For example 100k collected during the stage = +150k total money after the stage, and so on).

Ice cream locations for extreme:
(basically you only want to get the minecart ice creams, others will cost you time)

Moneybin:
1) Magic Coin box

Amazon:
1) Magic Coin box (on the top-route)
2) Hidden on a platform during the helicopter ride
3) Hidden Magic Coin location
4) The highest chest before the boss room.

Transylvania:
1) Magic Coin box
2) Hidden Magic Coin location
3) Minecart route

African Mines:
1) Magic Coin box
2) Minecart route
3) Hidden in air right at the end of the stage (jump straight up on the rightside of the "wooden pilar").

Himalayas:
1) Magic Coin ice cube
2) Hidden Magic Coin location
3) Hidden in air right before the boss

The Moon:
1) Hidden 1st Magic Coin location
2) Hidden 2nd Magic Coin location

Mount Vesuvius:
1) Magic Coin box
2) Minecart route

Extra life locations on Extreme
(you need at least one of them to do both deathskips)

Moneybin:
1) The highest hidden chest after the climb to the highest level (top left corner)

Amazon:
1) At the rightmost chest in the beginning of the "falling rocks" section.
2) Mrs. Beakley (not worth it, huge detour)

Transylvania:
- No 1ups here

African Mines:
1) Mrs Beakley on the rightside of the "elevator".

Himalayas:
1) Inside the third ice cube (counting from highest to lowest) on the rightside of the 2nd magic coin location.

The Moon:
- Both are inside the ship, not worth getting

Mount Vesuvius:
1) In one of the chest in the "hidden section" on the left side of the minecart.

[quote="Capndrake"]Just got a 33:23! With two bonus stages, but thankfully they don't count towards the in-game time (Right?)[/quote]

Some people have gotten IGT Personal Bests with bonus stages, so either they don't count, or the players have simply improved significantly at other parts of their run.
To be on the safe side, you should try to avoid the bonus stages. Not to mention bonus stages always add to your real time, which seems to be the standard for this game :)

On Extreme, your treasures' values are multiplied by 1.5x at the end of the stage, so be sure to check your total money after every stage and calculate the multiplier in your head during the stage
(For example 100k collected during the stage = +150k total money after the stage, and so on).

Ice cream locations for extreme:
(basically you only want to get the minecart ice creams, others will cost you time)
[hidden]
[b]Moneybin:[/b]
1) Magic Coin box

[b]Amazon:[/b]
1) Magic Coin box (on the top-route)
2) Hidden on a platform during the helicopter ride
3) Hidden Magic Coin location
4) The highest chest before the boss room.

[b]Transylvania:[/b]
1) Magic Coin box
2) Hidden Magic Coin location
3) Minecart route

[b]African Mines:[/b]
1) Magic Coin box
2) Minecart route
3) Hidden in air right at the end of the stage (jump straight up on the rightside of the "wooden pilar").

[b]Himalayas:[/b]
1) Magic Coin ice cube
2) Hidden Magic Coin location
3) Hidden in air right before the boss

[b]The Moon:[/b]
1) Hidden 1st Magic Coin location
2) Hidden 2nd Magic Coin location

[b]Mount Vesuvius:[/b]
1) Magic Coin box
2) Minecart route
[/hidden]
Extra life locations on Extreme
(you need at least one of them to do both deathskips)
[hidden]
[b]Moneybin:[/b]
1) The highest hidden chest after the climb to the highest level (top left corner)

[b]Amazon:[/b]
1) At the rightmost chest in the beginning of the "falling rocks" section.
2) Mrs. Beakley (not worth it, huge detour)

[b]Transylvania:[/b]
- No 1ups here

[b]African Mines:[/b]
1) Mrs Beakley on the rightside of the "elevator".

[b]Himalayas:[/b]
1) Inside the third ice cube (counting from highest to lowest) on the rightside of the 2nd magic coin location.

[b]The Moon:[/b]
- Both are inside the ship, not worth getting

[b]Mount Vesuvius:[/b]
1) In one of the chest in the "hidden section" on the left side of the minecart.
[/hidden]

Brother main

2013-10-04 11:32:18 am

The time you spend in bonus stages does appear in your total playtime, so it would be safe to assume that they count
Also congrats Drake on your new PB! Smiley

Cyrax

2013-10-04 12:43:24 pm

Konkey Dong

Quote from Capndrake:

Just got a 33:23! With two bonus stages, but thankfully they don't count towards the in-game time (Right?)

Correct. IGT doesn't count bonus or loading. It's happened to me once or twice and I still got better IGTs than my previous runs without them. As far as RTA goes, it's a run-killer.

Radman

2013-10-04 12:45:22 pm

For Fun! For GLORY!!

Bonus game, killing urns since August 2013.
I need to math to find out what I need my money to be at parts of the stage to avoid 7s. And streaming in 15 minutes. Cheesy

Mauste

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Quote from Radman:

Bonus game, killing urns since August 2013.
I need to math to find out what I need my money to be at parts of the stage to avoid 7s. And streaming in 15 minutes. Cheesy

The amount changes for each playthrough, so you can't really "find out" before-hand. I mean you will spend time if you try to pickup a certain amount always.

In my opinion this is the fastest:
- 0$ in Moneybin, the moon and amazon.
- In Himalayas, during the bubba-route, you can choose to end up with either 50 or 60k (without adding time to your run). However, you can also take the extra ruby near the end if it looks like you are going to end up at a 7 (the ruby adds ~1-2 seconds to the run).
- In Transylvania, I usually aim at 400k (= basically +0$). However, this requires one extra ruby, which costs ~1-2 seconds to pick up (the one before the boss). The rest you get during the minecart-ride.
- In African Mines, I just hope I don't go over the limit (because I never check my total money in the gallery before starting the run).

[quote="Radman"]Bonus game, killing urns since August 2013.
I need to math to find out what I need my money to be at parts of the stage to avoid 7s. And streaming in 15 minutes. :D[/quote]

The amount changes for each playthrough, so you can't really "find out" before-hand. I mean you will spend time if you try to pickup a certain amount always.

In my opinion this is the fastest:
- 0$ in Moneybin, the moon and amazon.
- In Himalayas, during the bubba-route, you can choose to end up with either 50 or 60k (without adding time to your run). However, you can also take the extra ruby near the end if it looks like you are going to end up at a 7 (the ruby adds ~1-2 seconds to the run).
- In Transylvania, I usually aim at 400k (= basically +0$). However, this requires one extra ruby, which costs ~1-2 seconds to pick up (the one before the boss). The rest you get during the minecart-ride.
- In African Mines, I just hope I don't go over the limit (because I never check my total money in the gallery before starting the run).

Radman

2013-10-04 01:01:27 pm

For Fun! For GLORY!!

Meh, math.
And stream is delayed while my Wii U updates. >_>

Mauste

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2013-10-04 02:10:36 pm

Quote from Radman:

And stream is delayed while my Wii U updates. >_>

I watched your stream and I noticed you said that Magica's pattern is faster on Extreme, because you were used to Easy. On my earlier findings (without video), I concluded that only the Terra Firmie King is faster and the rest of the boss battles are around the same speed. However, because of your "complaint", I am thinking maybe I should compare the bosses one more time (with video). I will try to do the comparison tonight. Who knows, maybe Extreme will break the 1 minute mark Tongue

I believe that even with your safety strategies on Extreme, your time will likely improve (or at the very least it will be very near to your Easy time). I don't think collecting the hearts and the lives will amount to ~40-50 seconds Smiley

Also, thanks for giving me credit in the stream Wink

Radman

2013-10-04 02:16:55 pm

For Fun! For GLORY!!

Well you found pretty much all the gritty details so yeah. And thanks again for muting during phone%. X3

Mauste

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2013-10-04 05:12:42 pm

I have now completed Big Time Eagle and Magica De Spell comparison. It took longer than I expected, so I will do the rest tomorrow.

Big Time Beagle:
Basically no difference at all. What little difference there is can be blamed on my gameplay.

I decided to compare Magica in segments.
Basically the only notable differences were in the 3rd section stone platform-attack and in the vulture's dive. The 3rd section stone was 20 frames faster on Extreme (0.6 seconds) and the dive was around ~5 frames. The rest of the attacks had ~2 frames of difference. My conclusion is that this boss can be beaten faster on both Easy and Extreme. It simply depends on your luck with the mirrors and Magica's spawn location.

Video: